Pacific Palisades burning Part 2

I worry about people not getting their pets out. Here in Reno, there was a big fire south of town (Davis Fire) in October. The park ranger and family were in town shopping when it started, their house burned down, and they didn't make it back in time to get the pets out. 😪

The person who asked me if the fires are 0% contained, David Acuña who is the spokesman for the California fires just stated the 4 main fires are at 0% contained as of 11:49 am PST.

11,000 acres burned in the Palisades fires. It's 17.1 square miles.

Maria Shriver posted a video of her neighborhood. Looks horrific.

[quote] Heartbreaking, devastating, beyond belief. Everything is gone. Our neighborhood, our restaurants. All our friends have lost everything. We have evacuated, but are safe. But people have lost everything. The firefighters have and are doing their best, but this fire is massive and out of control, and now there are multiple fires burning across Los Angeles. We in this city will put our arms around one another. We will rise, but right now these fire continues to burn. People need to stay safe, stay out of harms way, and allow firefighters do what they can to help those who need immediate assistance. The best place to get up to date information is from the @watchdutyapp or @calfire. Stay alert and stay safe! #lafires

Has anyone checked on Shelley Winters?

Shelley's fine. She sends her love from Passamaquoddy.

While Caltech seems safe lots of faculty live in Altadena where most houses burned down.

“There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen."

What’s the current status of the Getty? There weee concerns about the Villa.

R9 The Getty Villa is fine.

R9 the Getty Villa is fine as of now.

Eaton!!

The winds are forecast to die down tomorrow

I remember the Bel-Air -Brentwood fire back in 1961. Nearly 500 homes were destroyed. That was a camp fire compared to this event.

It truly is a nightmare - I live on the East Coast (central VA) and am devastated by all the fire burning nearly everything and destroying so much. I fear for those that aren't mobile (old, handicapped, etc.) and the animals/pets that may have perished due to this tragedy.

Watching this since last evening up until now really takes its toll even though I'm not affected by this horror.

Please send positive energy to those in California that they survive this nightmare and any further loss is minimal in regards to people/pets/family/friends.

God bless to all on the left coast.

"While trees and vegetation on the property have burned, Getty structures have been unaffected, and thankfully, both staff and the collections are safe," said Katherine E. Fleming, President and CEO of the Getty Trust.

"Fortunately, Getty had made extensive efforts to clear brush from the surrounding area as part of its fire mitigation efforts throughout the year," she said.

No artwork, galleries or archives were damaged from the fire and no staff members were hurt in the fire, she said.

"Irrigation was immediately deployed throughout the grounds" when the fire broke out Tuesday morning, Fleming said.

Just got word that my friend's home in Altadena has burned down. She and her husband just had their first kid. Devastating.

Anyone who has ever suffered through the complete loss of your home, what support from your friends did you find most helpful in helping to get through it?

Cash, probably.

Cash, gift cards, hugs, directly asking them what they need (making a few suggestions instead of a blank ask usually yields better results).

At a Wednesday morning news conference, L.A. County Fire Chief Anthony Marrone said that an estimated 1,000 structures had been destroyed. He also said firefighters had been injured and reported a "high number of significant injuries" to residents who didn't evacuate. He implored people to leave when evacuation orders are issued.

Okay, cash it is. Makes sense. Thanks.

R16 Keep in contact with them. It helped me feel less unmoored and at sea and lost after my own personal disaster.

The only silver lining here is that it happened before January 20th. I remember last time Trump had to be cajoled into giving federal money for California wildfires-they told him it was a red part of California that voted for him.

I give them 5% off my sneakers and NFT!

R16 - offer to help with tasks, be there to listen, sit there why they vent and breakdown, touch and hug them if they’re the type. If they have kids or pets, offer to take them for a day so they can freak out in private and just be alone for a bit.

And keep asking regularly - even to the point of annoyance. A one time “Let me know if you need anything” won’t do. People are insecure and humble and don’t want to be a bother. Plus they’re devastated and scared. Few people will ask for anything that substantial, especially multiple times.

Being there for loved ones is work.

Friends in LA say there’s an hour wait when you call 911. God forbid you have a (non-fire related) emergency. Mary.

Could someone please explain why this happens every fucing year in CA?

warn, dry weather + no freezing = plenty of fuel for fires

+ less than half an inch of rainfall in 6 months

Gas station in Altadena, bad news, they weren’t able to secure the gas storage and sheriffs are setting up 1/2 mile perimeter, hazmat requested according to fire scanner. Scary stuff.

Antioch and Swarthmore now

Antioch and Swarthmore then

I fucking hate that we have to begrudgingly use Twitter today.

[bold]Link to part 1[/bold]

The Eames House is in danger, girl.

Turn Palisades into a nature reserve. It’s too dangerous and risky for rich folks to live.

Katy Turd (the 'd' is silent) had a very touching segment speaking with a childhood friend she grew up with about the fire that destroyed her and his homes they grew up in. Hundreds of homes in the area were gone. There was even a clip of them as young kids - very sweet and Katy will be winging out to the coast tomorrow to meet with him and her other friend Jacob Soboroff.

Isn't Katy Tur the one whose daddy is now a mommy?

"Outside the Pasadena Convention Center, a man told his wife that their home had been destroyed and they had lost everything. The woman fell to her knees, sobbing, as her husband embraced her. They briefly sat on the ground, crying. Strangers asked if the woman needed help. “We lost everything,” the man shouted."

At least they didn’t lose EACH OTHER.

Her Dad transitioned. What of it, r37? Hmmmmm?

Whoa. Palisades Fire now listed at 11K+ acres, Eaton Fire now listed at 10K+ acres, and both are still listed as Zero % contained.

When the dust (or ash) settles there will be a sense of how bad this is relative to other past wildfires in that area, but this looks like a contender for the worst ever when you add the fires together.

Open your home to the cute guys.

(link to California gov site with the fire map and the % contained etc)

When rebuilding starts, I wonder if there is a way to make these neighborhoods more fireproof?

That is going to be one massive cleanup.

Good time to get into a homebuilding trade.

[quote] David Acuña who is the spokesman for the California fires

But is he cute, though?

Open your bedrooms to young actors

In speaking with some people today it has become crystal clear to me the scope of this tragedy, and I’m going to keep it a buck with you.

You are witnessing history right now. This is the most catastrophic disaster in US history. It will dwarf Katrina.

The insurance companies are not going to be able to afford payouts. The optimistic estimates right now are that 75 billion dollars worth of damage has been done. The US government is not going to subsidize private loss. This is going to change the city forever, especially in the Eaton fires. Families who have been here for generations will likely be leaving.

Unprecedented displacement lies ahead. They’ll talk about this in the same breath as the Chicago fire.

I am so sorry to all of those who will be permanently impacted.

I hope it fucks over the GOP. It's their problem now.

[quote]I hope it fucks over the GOP. It's their problem now.

The GOP will simply hang the city out to dry, and not think twice about it.

The only reason death toll is low currently is because there are no resources available to look for victims right now while fires are still actively burning and new ones are igniting.

[quote]The GOP will simply hang the city out to dry, and not think twice about it.

And the story will be told in media for decades to come.

what a horror!

Will wee see substantial recover by the Olympics?

New fire near Leo Carillo State beach, over the hill from Thousands Oaks. It's about 3 acres and they have a good shot at containing it. Maybe.

I fear you're right, R48.

I knew LA was bad but I never thought it would get to this extent. Hopefully all of the Angelinos are safe. Hopefully your house is still instant somehow. Unfortunately certain parts of the city are fighting against nature to survive + climate change so it’s only going to get worse.

Which is why I always thought it was weird that celebs loved Malibu so much, it’s nice but the constant risk of wildfires has to ruin the great quiet vibe. Malibu’s constantly burning down and it’s only going to get worse. Personally if I was paying millions I’d want to live in the less fire risk areas of LA county.

[quote]Open your home to the cute guys.

Like Max and Andrés.

GOP will not survive a massive property value crash in LA.

R58 a blast from the past! How is our DL favorite Max?

Also: Is Karen Bass getting her ass on a plane from Ghana?

Is it bad I really wanted to take Gavin aside and give him quick deep suck when he appeared with President Biden this morning?

Protect Kirsten Dunst’s house at all costs.

[quote]GOP will not survive a massive property value crash in LA.

Well, I suppose Californians may vote even more Democratic than they already do, but that will have no impact on presidential elections. MAGAts are reveling in the tragedy on Twitter.

As gorgeous as ever, r60. Max was my intro to IG, I don't remember how many years ago. Today, though, he is homeless because of the fire.

It's not about elections. It's about donations and media power. And ruby red Orange County is watching.

r65 is he? He's still posting silly, compensated reels on IG.

r67, neither of them is home now. He's in New York, influencing for a new type of sperm bank. Check out his IG.

R68 I did. He posted a couple reels about his house being near the fires, someone else's vid from the PCH, and nothing since nine hours ago except the sperm donor stuff. That's why I asked if his place actually burned down.

R62: the Senatrice NLI

Save the JPL!!!!!

The Pacific Palisades Library was gorgeous. 😢

and Caltech staff, R7. It’s not super affluent.

burning to the ground

Tell you right now. If there is a remote chance you could be affected pack up two bags: One with immediate things like prescription meds, clothes, first aid and non perishable food. Flashlight battery operated radio. Then pack another bag into which you put mementos. keep sakes, photos, etc. Because that is your life history and the fire will destroy it. YOu should have bottled water, and peanut butter, snacks, canned tuna. crackers, bread. Make sure you take legal documents like documents for the bank and for the mortgage, and for insurance purposes. I know it sounds like a lot, but when they tell you to evacuate you'll be glad you have done it.

How much you want to bet those insurance companies aren't going to want to pay out on all of those multiple million dollar homes.

I don't think you can buy a place in PP for less than $4 million - and that's for a regular home.

It will be interesting to see if Federal government and public interest will be to help many really, really rich people. Class warfare ahead!

People need to have cash and a full tank of gas, too. ATMs may not work.

And if you drive a car that doesn’t take gas, better find a place to charge up

R75 good advice. I live in a borderline flash flood zone and I keep a list of the "top 15 to 20" mementos to pack up and where they are, in case something bad ever happens. It can be difficult to think clearly under extreme stress so it's good to do that thinking well in advance.

[quote]It will be interesting to see if Federal government and public interest will be to help many really, really rich people. Class warfare ahead!

Considering America votes like they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires, this is going to get interesting.

I'm worried that the insurance industry could collapse after this. California and Florida are basically uninsurable states at this point. How is this going to affect the markets in other areas of the country?

[quote]Our neighborhood, our restaurants.

Maria Shriver, even in her grief of loss, has a strange second priority in listing her community's losses.

But then it's not like she's ever done the grocery shopping, dry cleaning trips, gone to the pharmacy, headed to the hardware store....

Maybe a fresh start will blow the smoke out of her head.

Trump will pay for clean up with my social security and I’m no where near these people.

Does anyone know if they are going to cancel tonight's performance of WICKED at The Pantages?

Wicked cancelled-Arianna Grande is a volunteer fire fighter and scheduled to work tonight.

[quote]How much you want to bet those insurance companies aren't going to want to pay out on all of those multiple million dollar homes.

Insurance companies have already been cutting back on their business in California in recent years as wildfires in the state have worsened.

State Farm said in 2023 that it would no longer accept new homeowners' insurance applications in California. Last year, the company said it would end coverage for 72,000 homes and apartments in the state.

Homes in the upscale Pacific Palisades neighborhood, one of the areas hardest hit by the fires so far, were among those affected when State Farm canceled the policies last year.

State Farm should be put out to farm. They need to be be put out of business, better yet. The worst.

[quote] They’ll talk about this in the same breath as the Chicago fire.

Bitch.

Just sayin- google fox 11 Los Angeles they are broadcasting live to everywhere. Shopping centers on fire and landmarks burning down and no water.

Look at the wind blowing the flags at 1:36. Usually we see such wind during a hurricane.

ABC7 on YouTube was showing live aerial views that they overlaid with streets and street names of eg Altadena and it’s so bizarre, you’ll see a neighborhood of 50 homes and one in the center is on fire, the surrounding homes untouched (as yet).

KTLA live on YoutTube, and it isn't owned by Murdoch's NewsCorp like Fox 11.

Well, insurance is just another form of COMMUNISM! Taking from everyone to support everyone! How dare they!

Are flights still going in and out of LAX?

Insurance companies? Parasites.

NOW its a tragedy...

Yep.

R92 that’s due to embers starting individual structure fires where the actual wall of flames hasn’t reached a neighborhood or development.

I’m trying to understand the scope of this. I mean we’ve obviously seen plenty of CA wildfires before. But this much close to this many people? And the winds and lack of early containment.

seems pointless to spray things with water so they don't burn. i guess embers could be doused, but actual flames don't care about a damp roof.

Where’s Steve Guttenberg when you need him?

R101, do you understand the relationship between an ember, a flammable roof, and water?

All of the beachfront homes in Malibu are gone.

Are they airlifting Barbra and James and Jason?

"When rebuilding starts, I wonder if there is a way to make these neighborhoods more fireproof?"

That sounds like Socialism and BIG BROTHER!!! BTW, can I get my farm subsidies please.

Just said on NBC4: "Palm trees are candles in the murder-wind"

I've already discussed this with President Trump and if he decides to authorize any payments, they will be processed through PayPal.

This is simply amazing. Clearly in a very bad way, but still amazing.

Henry Ford house on fire. My bitch sis would love her house to burn down so her husband can buy her a new one.Just that simple.

How is Stevie Nicks? Has the fire ruined any of her or her family's vacation plans?

If you think you are in an area that could potentially be evacuated, very often, those orders will come sooner than you think. It is much better to start packing the vehicles, saving the things that you want to save and have it be a false alarm than it is to wait until they tell you to leave and be scrambling with everybody else to pack a couple of precious items and then wait in traffic to get away from the affected area

You can see that these evacuations are spreading. If it's coming in your direction, however slowly, time to go. Just leave. Go to a friend's house, go to an evacuation shelter, go to a community centre, just find somewhere it doesn't matter. Leave.

[quote]MAGAts are reveling in the tragedy on Twitter.

Revolting. But some on Datalounge do the same thing when hurricanes hit the Gulf Coast.

I heard Mastro’s in Malibu is gone.

Lots of toxic shit in the air if you're downwind. Stay inside and mask if you have to go out.

omg Santa Monica just issued evac orders

[quote]Revolting. But some on Datalounge do the same thing when hurricanes hit the Gulf Coast.

Oh well, then it's o.k., r113.

Santa Monica evac orders all the way down to Montana Ave

Is that a big deal that Santa Monica has an evacuation order?

Some of Santa Monica was already evacuated.

R105, Chrissy Metz has agreed to act as a human ferry, shuttling wildfire survivors across the Santa Monica bay

Meanwhile, at the beach front homes in Malibu....

Yes, r119, it is.

I don't think that makes it OK, R117, but in the first place, no part of the country is 100 percent red or blue. Plus there are animals, children, the disabled, etc. who can't vote, why wish misfortune on them?

And finally, it's bad karma.

This is tremendous! The biggest fire ever!

There are quite a few Gofundme accounts for people and animal rescue.

is any fire actually burning in the city of LA, proper?

I'm glad Trump will be deporting all of the Mexicans. It's not like LA will be needing the labor to rebuild or anything.

R119 yes, look at Santa Monica on a map

r120 yes, but just above San Vicente.

"is any fire actually burning in the city of LA, proper?"

Pacific Palisades is LA proper. But, I know what you're getting at - the more central core of the city.

If you get on Google maps and pull up LA, you can click on the Palisades fire icon and see the boundaries of the fire.

My uncle used to live on Ocean Drive. My mom and I fell in love with those Santa Ana winds and the citrus smell in the air as we walked to the beach.

So very sad and sorry to watch this unfold.

KCAL 9 reporting that Moonshadows on PCH has burned down.

It's looking like it's starting to move into Brentwood and Crestwood Hills?

Kamala Harris's house in Brentwood is part of the evacuation order.

Friend who lives right off Adelaide says the fire has reached their place. So it’s in Santa Monica proper.

Beachfront Malibu is gone.

David Muir is reporting from there.

So much PTSD from this, every time the Santa Anas show up.

Planet Fitness locations in the LA area are open to those needing a shower, WIFI, or a place to recharge devices at no charge or membership requirement.

"In a statement shared with Men's Journal, Planet Fitness announced that all locations in Los Angeles County are immediately opening their doors to anyone impacted by the growing fires, from first responders to affected residents. Access is available 24/7 regardless of membership status with the gym. "

People should be wearing masks.

Honestly, will they even be allowed to rebuild beachfront Malibu? But, how would that work for insurance (assuming a homeowner's policy is going to pay). "Here's a huge check for the value of the property?" It has to have happened before somewhere where a home was destroyed but for whatever reason could not be rebuilt where it was located.

Is Nobu safe?? Where will Kim K and Cindy Crawford eat?

It's going to get really gross once we get our of drama mode.

It looks apocalyptic.

How do 30,000 people evacuate? Where do they go?

Without a government bailout of some kind, this will probably wreck insurance companies and property values. Insurance companies may just stop offering fire insurance in California. This could make a significant impact on California's future in so many ways besides the loss of life and material possessions.

Way to go, 2025!

Palm Springs

You know who could buy up all those billions in insurance claims? Someone with over $400B to their name. Just think - Elmo could create Elmoland!

[quote] Insurance companies may just stop offering fire insurance in California.

Uninsurable properties will tank values.

75% of Palisades is gone per ABC. This is unimaginable.

Someone who lives there said fires that break out in drought conditions are usually confined to up high but the winds blew it down the hills.

There are plenty of rich Republicans in California and the LA area - is Donald really going to stiff the entire region? How long does Biden have?

Lots of different interests at play here, including the stock market. Dow was up today, so I'm not sure we're hitting the reality phase yet.

A "man on the street" on Fox11 made the point that not everyone in PP is rich. He lived in a trailer park. He had only good things to say about his neighbors, all of whom are now homeless. I don't know how people like that recover.

[quote] Could someone please explain why this happens every fucing year in CA?

Climate change. We had unusually rainy seasons in 2023 and early 2024. Lots of growth and then these dry, hurricane-force Santa Ana winds, that usually come in the fall and should have ended by now, came howling through the LA basin. The wind alone did damage in areas that weren't impacted by the fire.

R155, equity markets are closed tomorrow for Carter, BTW.

I was watching Anderson Cooper reporting- He had no mask on or anything- In the middle of the fire/embers) Utterly stupid.

This is beyond tragic- Moonshadows and The Reel Inn are gone--

I pray that the death toll is not as devastating as the fire itself- I hope folks got out.

Prayers to all-- I am so sorry :(

^ All of this entirely predictable, r157.

Why weren’t the city and state prepared for this?

DL icon Aaron Rodgers has a $28 million dollar home in Malibu. No word on the current status.

EPA says air quality is fine-just like ground zero-breath deep.

There was a reporter interviewing a fireman a few minutes ago. The reporter had huge goggles and a heavy duty mask, the fireman had nothing on his face and was doing just fine. Reports are such drama queens.

^^^Reporters

[quote]Why weren’t the city and state prepared for this?

What would those preparations be, r160? I'd love to hear your ideas.

R163- Anderson was IN the fire basically- I was very surprised..

Wow, the fire perimeter has now reached the edge of super-wealthy Brentwood, the Amalfi-Capri-San Remo Drive area. Tons of super-wealthy living there, Spielberg, Conan O'Brien, Tom Hanks, etc. Mind boggling.

It's reached Old Ranch Road and the edge of Sullivan Canyon. Christian Bale has a large ranch at the back of the canyon- DL stalwart Bea Arthur was his next-door neighbor in her final years.

Link to great map updated by Cal Fire.

People keep telling me to pack a Go bag, but I hate that dumb Chinese game!!!

R165 Every house should have a giant fan attached to it to blow the fire and winds away. Duh.

Hoping Biden can get the aid spigot flowing before El Presidente Shithead gets in.

On the bright side James Wood's house burned down as he was yelling at people online that a. climate change has nothing to do with this; b. the fire was caused by Democratic mismanagement of water.

R167 is this close to the Thomas Mann house?

install a big version on the roof, cocoon your home.

Is this shit going to hit Beverly Hills?

[quote] How much you want to bet those insurance companies aren't going to want to pay out on all of those multiple million dollar homes.

It costs $750,000 to rebuild a $5 million home. Insurance pays the costs for rebuilding not the value of the property.

Beverly Hills isn’t particularly close to this. And BH is to the east and the fire seems headed westward.

I read that the fire hydrants are out of water because the county refused to fill the reservoirs...is this true?

r171 that location is still in the clear, but the heat/fire perimeter now stands just a few blocks west of it, so it won't be long before it's in the zone.

Note that the orange fire perimeter shown on the Cal Fire maps isn't necessarily of places that have burned down, but of areas of fire and high fire potential.

where is the LA mayor? is it true that she is in ghana?

R174 Yes, but it's not just the actual home that's insured, it's also everything inside it.

Will this impact my stories?

[quote]How do 30,000 people evacuate? Where do they go?

CNN says 150,000 people have evacuated. I have no idea where they all go.

Here is an article of what pet owners should have ready:

By 3 a.m. Wednesday, all water storage tanks in the Palisades area “went dry,” diminishing the flow of water from hydrants in higher elevations, said Janisse Quiñones, chief executive and chief engineer of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, the city’s utility. “We had a tremendous demand on our system in the Palisades. We pushed the system to the extreme,” Quiñones said Wednesday morning. “Four times the normal demand was seen for 15 hours straight, which lowered our water pressure.” Before the fire, all 114 tanks that supply the city water infrastructure were completely filled. Quiñones said that the hydrants in the Palisades rely on three large water tanks with about 1 million gallons each. The first ran dry at 4:45 p.m. Tuesday; the second at 8:30 p.m.; and the third was dry at 3 a.m. Wednesday.

“Those tanks help with the pressure on the fire hydrants in the hills in the Palisades, and because we were pushing so much water in our trunk line, and so much water was being used. ... we were not able to fill the tanks fast enough,” she said. “So the consumption of water was faster than we can provide water in a trunk line.” In other words, the demand for water at lower elevations was hampering the ability to refill the tanks located at higher elevations. Because of the ongoing fire, DWP crews also faced difficulty accessing its pump stations, which are used to move water up to the tanks. The utility on Wednesday was sending 20 tankers with water to support firefighters in the Palisades, and the tankers were having to reload at other distant locations. “We are constantly moving that water to the fire department to get them as much water as we can,” Quiñones said.

[quote] KCAL 9 reporting that Moonshadows on PCH has burned down.

Sh*t!!! I loved that place.

The easiest solution is to hose down Chrissie Metz with flame retardant and place her in front of the PP fire. Then do the same to Lizzo and place her in front of Eaton Canyon.

[quote] I read that the fire hydrants are out of water because the county refused to fill the reservoirs...is this true?

Where did you read that, on Truth Social?

These are wildfires in urban areas, something no water systems were built to prepare for. Same thing happened in Maui.

"The 2023 fire that ripped through the historic town of Lahaina and claimed more than 100 lives burned so quickly in a dense area, that pipe bursts made it hard to maintain enough water pressure for fire fighting efforts.

In the 2021 Marshall Fire in Colorado, the city of Louisville's water department had workers manually open valves to let untreated water from the Colorado River and Boulder Creek into pipes to restore pressure. That helped firefighters but also led to water contamination.

LADWP is sending in mobile water tankers to help fight the fires, which can be refilled at hydrants that haven’t lost pressure, Quiñones said. It takes about 30 minutes to refill about 4,000 gallons of water.

Municipal water systems are not designed to fight wildfires, said Mark Pestrella, director of Los Angeles County Department of Public Works."

r167 Jennifer Garner's house is almost in the mandatory evac zone.

R174 Not sure why you think there's that much margin in a $5M house.

Regarding water, there isn't a water shortage, but a water pressure shortage. LA isn't flat.

R185 You're way behind. Lizzo is on the 'zempic and she's lost a lot of weight.

I hope they all sit on r185 after they gag her.

It's a bit surreal that Fox 11 is running the Pasadena government press conference in half the screen, where various officials are being like "we will rebuild!"....while the other half of the screen is filled with what appears to be a Bank of America that is on fire. Feels a bit like the officials are trying to project that the fire is over when...it sure seems like it is ongoing.

R186, get out of your bubble and open your eyes. Make this make sense

R165/r168:

Ensure reservoirs have enough water.

Clear brush.

Practice controlled burning.

Elect politicians who make fire minimization a much higher priority than it apparently was.

They explained that everyday use vs.reserves from the reservoir in the press conference, this morning, which I'm sure you didn't watch r191.

R193 , explain the budget cut?

r192 is suddenly an experienced , trained city manager and forestry expert, thanks to Fox News talking points.

You explain the so-called budget cut, r194? Was the state involved? Do you have more than a fucking newscreen factoid? No, you don't.

[quote] [R174] Yes, but it's not just the actual home that's insured, it's also everything inside it.

Most insurers in CA only provide policies that max out at the replacement value of the structure. Certain other insurers provide content and personal property insurance for high net worth people who want their possessions insured.

No, r193, I work for a living.

That was only a 2% budget cut; it's laughable of Fox and the NY Post to pretend that moved the needle in any of this.

Indians engaged in controlled burns to manage fire risk. But that may not be possible in places in California where that fire risk still exists but where densely-packed housing cannot sustain controlled burns.

Well get back to work and focus on an area where you have actual expertise instead of faking it here, r198. We see through the tactics here.

R157 that person explains why it happens every YEAR.

The reason it happens every year is because

[bold]We live next door to the ocean but we also live on the edge of the desert. Los Angeles is a desert community. Beneath this building, beneath every street there's a desert. Without water the dust will rise up and cover us as though we'd never existed![/bold]

It's fucking telling that some people focus on helping and others focus on blame.

more santa ana winds may be on tap for later Thursday - not as strong as last night's peak winds but stronger than what LA is seeing now.

Cary Elwes just posted that he lost his house. For the L.A. residents in and out of the film community (I'm in it, and we got an email with info) I had to put spaces in the addresses:

WALSH / Di TOLLA / SPIVAK FOUNDATION The Walsh/Di Tolla/Spivak Foundation assists IATSE members in times of catastrophe. It is a "no strings attached" benefit, exclusively for members In Good Standing. It is granted at the discretion of the Walsh/Di Tolla/Spivak Foundation Trustees with prior approval from the member's Home Local.

Request for immediate relief the application for this assistance is included in the email as an attachment.

FEMA FEMA coordinates across federal agencies to help state, local, tribal, and territorial partners respond to wildfires nationwide. https :// www .fema .gov/disaster/wildfire-actions

California State https :// www. fire. ca. gov/incidents

LA County https: // lacounty. gov/ emergency/

Evacuation Shelters: • Westwood Recreation Center – 1350 Sepulveda Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90025 • El Camino Real Charter High School – 5440 Valley Circle Blvd, Woodland Hills, CA 91367 • Pasadena Civic Center – 300 East Green Street, Pasadena, CA 91101 • Local 80 - 2520 W. Olive Ave Burbank, CA 91505 call for more info 818-526-0700

Animal Shelters

Small Animals: • County of Los Angeles Small Animal Shelter: Agoura Animal Care Center – 29525 Agoura Rd, Agoura Hills, CA 91301

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LA 211 LA 211 has paired up with Airbnb, and anyone who has been evacuated because of the Palisades fire can stay in an Airbnb for one week at no charge. Just dial 2-1-1 or visit www. 211LA. org that he lost his

From an actual trained expert:

"When you have multiple city blocks on fire... it's gonna stretch our water system," the fire chief says.

"On top of that we had loss of power, temporarily, which impacted our water system," he continues.

"We could have had much more water [but] with those wind gusts, we were not stopping that fire last night."

My Pekingese Starr is barely hanging on. I took her to do her business this morning and she was coughing; couldn’t wait to get back inside. Starr has a delicate constitution and I’m worried about lung damage.. my heart is breaking for all the defenseless babies who lost their lives, or are scared and alone, in shelters. They don’t deserve this. 💔💔

What about the Riviera Golf Club?

🙏 that it hits Beverly Hills and that bitch Candy Spelling's mansion burns to the ground!

[quote] [R174] Not sure why you think there's that much margin in a $5M house.

???? A $5 million house in Pacific Palisades would cost $650,000 in the Detroit suburbs -- the exact same house.

Isn’t Manvox headquarters in Malibu?

Allegedly this is where it started

I know it's an emergency, BUT HUSH UP ABOUT MANVOX HERE.

Go somewhere else and troll, r191.

[quote] Where did you read that, on Truth Social?

Even better! NewsNation.

Uh oh, doesn’t look good for the Thomas Mann House.

Wow, r192, you're such a smartie!

R84 is a super-MAGAT and doesn't know it.

Is Barbra's mall destroyed??

This is why I will never live in California or get the appeal. Shits so expensive you can’t afford a house. When you can afford one, it burns down.

Ocean water is now being used by aerial firefighters. The winds through the night were too strong for planes to navigate safely.

The planes could navigate it fine, but the water would not have reached the ground.

Just saw a commercial for ready.gov/plan.

Looks like LA Mayor Karen Bass will be part of the news conference on the hour. Can't tell if she's back from Ghana or if she's linking in.

the Bass has landed.

R203 yes first priority is to find a reason to not care about what is happening while simultaneously playing at being the Big Boss.

She had better get her ass back.

She's back and on live right this very second.

[quote]The planes could navigate it fine, but the water would not have reached the ground.

"Fearsome winds forced crews to ground firefighting aircraft in the battle against the Palisades fire on Tuesday night, making it even more challenging for firefighters to get a handle on the fast-growing blaze. The use of aircraft was halted shortly before 8 p.m., and Los Angeles fire officials said they would continually reassess weather conditions to determine when they might be used again, said Margaret Stewart with the Los Angeles Fire Department."

Whomever wrote Karen Bass' speech should be shot. Disorganized, trite, and illogical in structure. This was supposed to inspire confidence..? Group your thoughts, dammit.

She also needs desperately to work on her delivery. And give up smoking.

Oof boil order for some areas.

How is the Norton Simon Museum in Pasedena????

Does anyone else who grew up in Southern California feel absolutely DEVASTATED right now? I can’t tell if I’m being dramatic, but seeing this damage is making me completely unhinged. This feels like the most catastrophic event to hit LA in modern history. Am I losing it here, or is this as horrifying as it feels?!? MARY!!!

R233 I’m out of town for work and spent the first half of the day weeping.

Not in the evacuation area yet, r232, so that's good news.

Feels VERY ok, r233. This is a big deal. I'm more NorCal-oriented and this is just staggering.

TBH I hope the whole fucking place burns to ashes. I have my reasons why. Innocents are just cannon fodder.

Is this bitch above with a Pekinese named Starr for real or a troll?

This place makes me so confused as some of you are so naturally campy that you seem like a spoof!

Forgot to post my picture!

The reckless Madam Mayor

[quote]Ocean water is now being used by aerial firefighters. The winds through the night were too strong for planes to navigate safely.

You bastards are going to pay for destroying my lawns with salt water!!!

They should use Voss still water!

That clip seems fake, R239.

R207 buy Starr some pee pads for pissing inside.

A neighbor is a national TV news cameraman. He spent the last two days covering So. Cal fires - primarily Pacific Palisades. He also covered the Lahaina fire in Maui.

The latter was devastating, he said; but compared to this, Lahaina was just a drop in the bucket

R242. Nope that was her landing at LAX an hour or so ago. The reporter is from British Sky TV.

R209 The Spelling mansion was sold decades ago.

R220 Where do YOU live? Some magical place free of weather or climate or geology? Also: California is a huge state...it's not all the same. It's insanely beautiful but too many people are living on what is actually a desert.

Of course, pretty much all of Florida is built on a swamp doomed to sink into the sea.

I’m in Washington state and I’m just watching in horror. I love California— there’s no other place like it.

My partner just yelled that Hollywood Hills is now on fire.

What is happening is just devastating and nothing will be the same there even if some structures survive. I’m genuinely verklempt.

New fire just reported in the Hollywood Hills. Jumped to 10 acres in a matter of minutes. Might be named the Solar Fire. This is from the "Watch Duty" app.

Why isn’t Karen Bass personally stopping the Santa Ana Winds?

No, it's Australian Sky TV, which is owned by the same people as Fox News. It's was a biased bullshit ambush.

[quote] Sky News Australia is an Australian conservative news channel owned by News Corp Australia.

I feel helpless watching people’s lives being destroyed and the fear and loss they are experiencing.

Now they’re looting.

Hollywood Hills fire is now called the "Sunset Fire." Said to be driven uphill by 20 mph winds and they suspect 5 to 10 minutes before it reaches structures.

A NEW fire just started in the Hollywood Hills. HORRIBLE.

We know. They on it. We've covered it. Can we focus on people who are losing their homes?

R253 Who cares. This is so insignificant compared to everything else, but of course the media has to breathlessly report on “looters.”

We've got a Fox News cunt in the henhouse.

The sign language guy on Fox11 is kind of hot.

Sorry, didn't realize it was a Fox News reporter. It just popped up on my feed. I'll vet and read better next time. Mea culpa.

I just saw there’s a new fire in the Hollywood hills

This has to be intentional now, no?

Have you seen those winds? It's probably not.

Hollywood Hills is on fire!!!

wind must've blown an ember from Eaton to the hills

Lots of celebs and history in the Hollywood Hills. This is painful.

We read about the Hollywood Hills fire an hour ago on Manvox. Just saying.

Those people in the helicopters are doing an incredible job.

Is Liza Minelli's condemned house still standing?

OMG. The Hollywood Hills fire is a lot bigger than I thought. This is bad.

R32 that’s why I hate how Elon has FUCKED Twitter.

It was so useful for local information, if there was a blackout, or road incident. Now it’s full of lies.

R270. It exploded in size in a matter of minutes

New evacuation areas in Hollywood, Runyon Canyon, and Laurel Canyon. If you're in LA, please tune in and see if you need to move now. That fire is moving FAST.

Evacuation area:

East side - 101

North - Mulholland

West - Laurel Canyon

South Laurel Canyon

R272 so did my waistline after having a cube of cheese.

South is Hollywood Blvd, sorry

Here's a link to the evacuation order

A friend just texted me "Paris Hilton's home up in flames...Billy Crystal too."

Is Beachwood Canyon likely to be hit?

Not that I can see. The big worry now is that the Sunset Fire is moving south towards Hollywood Blvd towards very densely populated area.

Evacuating that large area of the Hills will be harrowing to say the least.

[QUOTE]PG &E is the devil. Did we learn nothing from Erin Brockovich?

I don't know if anyone's mentioned that despite PG&E's malfeasance, it has nothing to do with L.A. electricity

This is nuts. Aerial shots here.

R281. You're right. The vast majority of those roads around the Sunset Fire are 2 lanes; one way each lane.

View of Sunset fire from N La Brea Ave.

The Hollywood Hills fire is near Runyon Canyon.

R285. That photo makes my heart hurt...yes, I know, call me MARY!

Please don’t burn Laurel Canyon.

If you're in Hollywood, GET OUT.

I am having a difficult time feeling sorry for the 1% and the celebrities who are crying about losing their restaurants and gardens.

I just don’t know how much more of this I can take! All the stars! All the history! I’m practically inconsolable right now clutching my Sunset Boulevard poster.

[quote]I read that the fire hydrants are out of water because the county refused to fill the reservoirs...is this true?

(chin in hand) Just how does that work, precious?

"We're ready to start filling the reservoirs. As you know, Madame Mayor, they're not filled by rain, but by us — "

"I said NO! Let those reservoirs run DRY!"

[R 233] - This IS a big deal. I’m stuck in the Midwest and I spent the morning weeping, as another DataLounger earlier mentioned that they had spent the morning weeping.

Most of my family live in various parts of New York. I lived in NYC for over 15 years .

9/11 : When the 2nd plane hit, I couldn’t get any family on the phone. I was at home with a new baby and an old husband at work, I couldn’t figure if this was devastating just to New Yorkers or did the rest of the country care?

I had to call Little Gym to say we wouldn’t be in. The teenager that answered the phone was weeping. Sobbing.

It was then that I had my dumb epiphany: The whole country is watching. And, a bit later, the world.

So, yep, [R-233]. The whole country is watching. And I hope not - but maybe soon the world.

Just post, if you don’t mind, that you’re safe.

[quote]I am having a difficult time feeling sorry for the 1% and the celebrities who are crying about losing their restaurants and gardens.

We're wayyyyy beyond that now. If you don't know LA, it's a good time to hush and be tactful.

R292 Magats don't know how anything works.

My headline:

Lost Angeles

"I am having a difficult time feeling sorry for the 1% and the celebrities who are crying about losing their restaurants and gardens. "

Then don't. Feel sorry for the tens of thousands of "normal" people who are fucked.

All these commercial buildings, retail stores, restaurants, that have burnt to the ground, aren't they required by law to have sprinkler systems? Are sprinklers just useless in this sort of fire?

I always love the ESL translators at these moments. The city of LA seems to have two on duty: a Native American looking guy with two earrings who is emoting his MARY! best, and a handsome young Hispanic dude in a black polo.

R294, did you even read my post? I do not feel sorry for 1% and/or rich celebrities who can afford to rebuild no matter what. I feel very sorry for everyone else.

R298, Rose, is that you?

OMG the traffic from the aerial shots is nuts.

R290. You do realize that "celebrities" make up a tiny percentage of ALL of these areas currently being decimated?! The local media is only reporting on the famous to try and get national attention. For those of us non famous who were born and live in these areas, I respectfully ask you to shut your fucking mouth. No one, famous or not, needs or wants your sympathy, especially since you make yourself out to be heartless anyway.

sprinklers tend to only put out fires that start inside a building, R298, not fires that burst through the wall from the outside.

R303 is James Woods.

R298. Those sprinklers are for when your pop tart catches ablaze in the toaster. Not fire fed by dry fuel and 100 mph wind gusts

There's not going to be enough first responders to move people out like they did elsewhere. This is NOT GOOD.

R305 and you're an asshole

Aerial views of the Sunset fire with maps overlaid.

Video of traffic hell on the ground.

Well 2025 is certainly going to fuck with my mental health, one natural disaster after another, January 6th criminals being pardoned, inflation, stock market volatility...has anyone started a self care thread?

[quote]”Paris Hilton's home up in flames...Billy Crystal too."

Billy Crystal’s up in flames? How terrible.

Seriously, I actually thought (I know now I was hoping) during those first seconds of seeing the top World Trade Center building begin to vertically drop and pancake down, that I was hallucinating or having a momentary psychotic episode.

I'm experiencing the same thing now watching my TV.

This is unbelievable.

Exactly this. If the fire hits the dense areas on Hollywood Blvd, it's a whole different ballgame.

Boil water order for all of Los Angeles county. Can't remember such a thing.

The Mayor of Los Angles is hitting back about not having all the water tanks full before the fire. Her opponent Rick Caruso the Billionaire stealth Repug who who lost to here was making all kinds of accusations about how his water was off so therefore she was not doing her job. Of courses after he lost, went back to being a Republican MAGAT he was before the race.

As historic as this may feel, I fear this type of disaster will be happening more and more, and maybe even bigger perhaps...frightening.

[quote]r298 = Are sprinklers just useless in this sort of fire?

You got it, Ace.

Wow. Some correspondent named Haley on Fox 11 LA who was covering the Acton fire almost lost it on air, saying there were "so many looters" around her and stammering through a story about a truck with eight men who stopped and asked her for a mask: "I started screaming for a policeman," she said with a shaky voice.

The studio cut her off and went back to the desk.

The gay Dad talking on ABC 7 right now is a goodin'.

For anyone who isn't familiar with LA, these are all parts of town where the residents do not burn their own neighborhoods down. They're not all "rich."

So stop being poverty-elitist.

[quote]Paris Hilton's home up in flames

She's fine, she's packed her soooute case. Judging from the background, her mansion can easily be rebuilt considering she's now a Billionaire.

The fire looks close to the Santa Monica pier.

Is it?

Thanks.

If by chance they catch and arrest and convict any of the looters, there should be a sentencing enhancement. Basically robbery, burglary, or theft during a declared emergency will be punished more severely than during other times. Make it part of the criminal code.

That's the Palisades fire, r323.

Do they perform controlled burn-offs in any parts of LA? Controlled burning is done yearly in outer-city parts of Australia, and it saves lives.

I'm sure we'll have national guard in the LA metro soon.

They say 5000 acres have burned, that about eight miles.

Firing squad for looters

Paris and her suitcase.

Did they ever say or know what happened to those two guys with the dog or dogs who had fire going on all around their place? It was about this time last night.

My childhood best friend who was born with cerebral Palsey had lived in her childhood house since 1959. She has no family except a few cats . She can’t drive and works as an assistant librarian. Her house in Altadena burned to the ground last night. This is just awful …. Now there is the Sunset fire …

I think the helicopter drops are helping?

R331, I read on Twitter that those guys got out okay.

Evacuation line for Sunset Fire now expanded south another quartermile to include areas between Hollywood Blvd and Sunset Blvd

Thought I saw something about the winds finally calming down tomorrow evening into Friday and through the weekend. Sending hopes and prayers that the fire loses its power soon after that, and the crews can contain it.

R331, reportedly (and astoundingly) they got some evacuation assistance and all 3 including the pooch are alive.

R332, but she's OK?

R313 Same. I had to ask my co-worker “is the building collapsing?” because my eyes weren’t connecting with my brain. Same feeling here. Just hard to even absorb the images.

There are many riding schools and stables in the burn areas. I hope they were able to evacuate as many of the horses as possible.

When I lived in Woodland Hills about 40 years ago, in the area where Mulholland becomes dirt road, there were a couple of controlled burns. I remember being being scared shitless once because I saw huge flames, not aware that it was a controlled burn.

They're extended the south boundary of the mandatory evacuation area from Hollywood Blvd to Sunset Blvd.

R332, that's the type of people I feel for. This is so bad.

The gridlock on the streets. Christ.

This really does seem like the “Katrina/New Orleans” of wildfires - a full order of magnitude worse than what’s happened before - and I’m so sorry for anyone directly affected.

It’s shocking to realize that *yesterday morning* when the sun came up, none of this disaster had happened yet.

Trump is blaming Newsom for it. I don't want that crazy bugger in the WH.

Capitol Records building on Hollywood & VIne being evacuated.

R325, I'm well aware of where the fire and the pier are.

That's why I asked.

Are you just compulsively posting at this point?

Take a break or don't be useless.

Getting fire updates for the news from the manager of the Magic Castle is peak LA.

Trump is PISSED! He's been ranting about it. This was his chance to cut off California and stick it to Newsom. Now he's lost his chance as Biden and Newsom will work together and get money allocated before Dump takes office.

This is the biggest fire I've ever seen. Before this, it was the Chelsea MA fire during the 70s which burned eighteen city blocks.

r335 Wow, we're talking "heart of Hollywood" now.

It better not burn the Hollywood Bowl, that is one of the hearts of LA. The Hollywood sign can be replaced.

I hope Trump strokes out in the most violently embarrassing way possible.

Mother FUCKER. They are "strongly advising" anyone living above Sunset leave all the way to Beverly Boulevard, saying this fire has "explosive" characteristics.

Evacuation Zone includes the Dolby Theater and Hollywood Bowl.

I lived in Outpost Estates/Hollywood Heights in the late 80s so looks like my old neighborhood is about to go up in flames. This was north of Franklin, by the Magic Castle, just up from the Chinese Theatre.

Ugh.

They need a huge rainstorm right now.

R355. I drive through Outpost every week. Beautiful area! I pray to whomever, whatever that all that area can be spared. Thank you for your story.

Not impressed yet.

337 - she is ok but since the power was out she only saved one cat. The other two died in the fire. She is extremely upset!

Even the planes dumping ocean water over the fire isn't amounting to a pisshole in a snowbank.

Speaking of, R356, I was just reading some context about why this set of fires is so devastating. The LA area had one of its wettest seasons ever, the first few months of 2024. Then an absolute drought from April to now. So an unusual amount of new plant growth surged to life Feb-March-April …. then it all gradually died and turned into wildfire fuel.

omg poor kitties!

r356, January is supposed to be the 2nd rainiest month for L.A., and it's been the opposite with the Santa Ana winds. Extremely arid and windy. Raymond Chandler was right about the Devil Winds.

Hollywood Reporter

I live in Perth which has a similar climate to LA, and they perform prescribed burns in any area where dead plant matter can accrue. They sometimes burn in patterns so there are fire breaks between areas.

I have never heard of a fire out of control during a controlled burn, they are very well organised.

They try to choose days when the wind is blowing away from populated areas, but sometimes smoke hits the city and for people with asthma it can be bad for a couple of days. There have been devastating fires over East where they don't burn as frequently so I am glad they still do it here.

Question: If Lizzo is on Ozempic and has lost many pounds does that mean she has full blown diabetes? thx.

The nominations announcement for the upcoming Oscars will be postponed from 17 January to 19 January, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has said.

The voting period, which opened on 8 January, will also be extended by two more days to close on 14 January.

"We want to offer our deepest condolences to those who have been impacted by the devastating fires across southern California," the academy told its members in the letter.

"So many of our members and industry colleagues live and work in the Los Angeles area, and we are thinking of you."

Real scary shit.

"Planet Fitness has announced locations in LA County will be open to all affected residents, offering free access to showers and device charging stations. Access is available 24/7 regardless of membership."

Stream room comfort station!

ROFL Ruta Lee is hamming it up on ABC7.

Do the rattlesnakes and mountain lions make a run for it?

R343, you can't stop, can you?

Look back at Katrina before you embarrass yourself further without knowing it.

And take a cold bath.

ABC7 now showing a flaming palm tree that's showering sparks all over a house, with. a group of guys trying to use a garden hose on it. This is nuts.

R373, huh?

I know a thing or two about Hurricane Katrina.

Pick better enemies, dear.

R371 I just came here to say that!! Ruta Lee talking about evacuating her animals…

To R322, Paris Hilton is not a Billionaire, she's got around 320 million dollars.

Her Malibu home burned down, and she has size 12 feet. She's a closeted Lesbian too.

Ruta Lee on evacuating Laurel Canyon, "I took a fur wrap in case it gets cold."

^^^^ I forgot, she married a closet Faggot^^^^

Toberman Estate in big trouble

[quote]Ruta Lee on evacuating Laurel Canyon, "I took a fur wrap in case it gets cold."

Don't get between the fabulous Ruta (MAGA cunt she may be) and a camera!

I met Ruta at La Boheme in Weho back in July. She is always ON...cameras or not.

Runyon Canyon is burning

I hiked there 3-4 times a week when I lived in LA.

I had a lot of good hook ups in 6 years. I hope that those cruising whores are safe.

City Council member Nityah Rahman on ABC7 fighting back tears, saying "this is the fire I didn't want to happen"

Anything about the John Lautner Bergren home or Gore Vidal’s

What about Kim k? Her house still standing???

Paris Hilton has herpes

Is Kimmy still in Calabasas?

[quote]To [R322], Paris Hilton is not a Billionaire, she's got around 320 million dollars.

Oh, is that all.

Fox 11 was interviewing this really handsome young man with a giant Afro that had ashes all stuck to it. He seemed to be 16 or 17. When the reporter asked him how much he was able to take, he replied matter-of-factly, "I got about two suitcases in my manager's car and got out of there."

ROFL! Of COURSE a teenager who looked like a model and lived in the Hollywood Hills would have a manager!

Looks like they're keeping it from jumping out of the hills so far.

Side note… what a bad day politically for LA Mayor Karen Bass.

r390, he might be an influencer.

R392. Agreed

THe fires started yesterday. Why was it such a big deal that the mayor was gone? She didn't know it would happen and she came back the next day.

My friend who lives a stone's throw from the bowl says that they're maintaining the border because they're using the water from the reservoir and hasn't left yet, but another friend who lives on Mullholland close to Laurel Canyon has evacuated. She has one of the coolest houses I've ever seen, and I hope that it doesn't burn down.

R375, as always, as you threaten to be an "enemy," you don't bother to read the point. That's one of the things you dribble in your posts.

This horrible event is not a Katrina event at this point.

An immoderate and self-regarding personality is not always something other posters choose to ignore.

[quote]Side note… what a bad day politically for LA Mayor Karen Bass.

No, Elmo and Murdoch's Sky News are bullying the fuck out of her when the fires started while she was on a planned official trip. She took military planes to get back ASAP. Here's her side of it:

Mayor Bass has just defended her absence when the wildfires broke out in the city on Tuesday - she was on a trip to Africa.

"I was on the phone almost every hour of the flight," Bass says.

"Although I was not physically here, I was in contact with many of the individuals standing here throughout the entire time," she said.

Bass left town on Saturday as part of a presidential delegation to Accra to celebrate the inauguration of Ghana President John Mahama.

She returned on Wednesday to find her city in flames.

The mayor has also been facing criticism amid reports she cut more than $17m from the fire department’s budget last summer.

City of Pasadena warning not to drink any tap water....possibly contaminated since the water tanks are within the Eaton fire zone.

R395, it’s sad but in these times of Gotcha-Games politics a leader has to take control of the narrative and control of the facts, fast and firmly. She didn’t and now she’s being criticized all over the place.

And then there are the people WWing their own posts.

Please donate if you can.

It seems to be Elmo and the right wing media's new tactic to find vulnerabilities and just machine gun spray bullying messages in the hopes it sticks. They're doing it to the UK Prime Minister, and again to Karen Bass.

R402. Sadly, the link looks to be broken.

Next season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is going to be insufferable!

Let's have Karen Bass tour the fires with Beyoncé, who'll wear a silver-disco-ball-printed park ranger uniform.

Sorry! I copied it wrong.

The choppers are doing out-and-back trips to the Hollywoood Reservoir, and that's how they're dousing the Sunset fire.

Cannot locate photo of Bette Davis peeping out Toberman estate front door in the very first edition architecture digest 1924-26 ? Anyone?

R407. Thank you, love! Donating now.

This is no time for Bette pics-WE ARE ON FIRE!

But there's time for Ruta!

Thank you, R410 🙌🏻❤️

If I could turn back time.....

No, r233, I feel the same and I’ve never visited California.

This is just horrific and terrifying. Watching everyone fleeing and the poor firefighters walking into that hellscape is so upsetting.

Knowing there are trapped people and animals in there is just too much.

This could have gone very wrong, very fast. Those choppers literally saved Hollywood.

(Not out of the woods yet, though)

Well she's *definitely* culpable if she cut $17 mil from the fire safety budget. Idiot.

r409...

READ THE ROOM, r418.

Ricki Lake’s home was magical and Denise Crosby’s post on Instagram was also heartbreaking.

Paris Hilton didn’t lose her main home but her beach house.

Fun fact: Ricki had a rather well-cultivated cannabis garden at that house, and she loved showing it off on Insta.

[quote] Maria Shriver posted a video of her neighborhood. Looks horrific.

[quote] Heartbreaking, devastating, beyond belief. Everything is gone. Our neighborhood, our restaurants.

At last, some good news to come from this.

R418 I'd love for you to tell us the total fire safety budget.

I'd love for r418 to tell us what the state, fed, and locals covered and how that figured into Mayor Bass's decision-making with the City Council.

This will have to do, R409.

What does the wildlife do? Flee? Perish?

Did Jamie Lee Curtis' house catch fire?

The thing most people don't think about is that no matter where a disaster happens, whether it is Asheville N.C. or Florida, or Wildfires in California, tornadoes in Oklahoma, etc. everyone's insurance rates go up. All of us pay. it doesn't only happen to those affected. it's like if I get in a car accident my rates will go up. But if I live in a state with a really high accident rate, everyone pays a higher rate. and with storm damage, insurance companies have now capped the amount they're willing to give for a damaged roof for example. Insurance companies are the biggest cam around. We need much better regulation. There's also a lot of bullshit insurance companies that promote low premiums and convenient online apps, etc. and they never pay out claims.

Yes, r427.

r175 [quote] Beverly Hills isn’t particularly close to this. And BH is to the east and the fire seems headed westward.

After it reaches the oceans, where does it head? It looks like it's south/southeast. I had an old boss who was wonderful, who taught at Pepperdine. A beautiful campus, I hope it's fine. What about the Ronald Reagan Library, it seems like a sane, unique library with an airplane -- they invited Liz Chaney to speak there.

BTW, I read "years ago!" that Malibu was a perfect example of a place that should not be rebuilt and rebuilt and rebuilt. A waste of valuable resources. Because it would periodically be destroyed by fire.

A DLer was restoring a Spanish Revival home in some hill or mountainous areas. Whoever you are if hope you okay...

Looks like we've got new one in Brentwood.

R423 you nasty bitch Shriver is a good old gal not reflective of the Kennedy stereotype you fuck!

Just ignore her. Bad actor is shooting blanks tonight and she's frustrated.

That or the insurance company goes belly up r429 like some many did after hurricane Andrew in 1992.

Also some companies will pull out of the state completely or will no longer cover certain locations.

Beloved places we’ve lost

I should've listened to Gary when he said I shouldn't smoke in bed.

[quote]What does the wildlife do? Flee? Perish?

One or the other. And sometimes Flee, but then Perish....because they get hit by a car, OR they go back into the burn areas to avoid human interaction -- I'm thinking of mountain lions, specifically. There was a lion in the National Park Service study that died shortly after the Woolsey Fire because it went back into the burn-scar upon encountering a housing development & its paws became badly burned.

On top of all of this, we have to deal with the death of Jocelyn Wildenstein and the arrest of Chase Christley, it's almost too much to bare.

[quote] [R298] = Are sprinklers just useless in this sort of fire?

Okay, I guess I would still not expect structures to be utterly flattened by fire, when their interiors and all the contents have been made soaking wet. I've been in a space when the sprinklers were triggered, it's torrential.

[quote]THe fires started yesterday. Why was it such a big deal that the mayor was gone? She didn't know it would happen and she came back the next day.

Repugs love bashing Democrats especially California Democrats. Blaming Newsom, Bass, Harris, Biden, anyone with a D that lives in CA.

They are trying to tar and feather her with this fire. Claiming it's all her fault because she signed a billion dollar budget which had some minor admin cuts of about 17 million to the fire department. Meanwhile, they always bitch about how Democrats tax and spend. Talking out of both sides of their mouths as usual.

To be honest, they could use a haircut. An acquaintance I know has a son who is 29 years old working as a fireman in LA he's making over $200,000 with over time. I mean, that's a bit excessive when most of the time they are sitting around doing nothing.

New fire in Studio City.

Hope Chase ends up in prison with daddy Todd.

R421 Ricki had quite the incredible view.

Sentient anal wart Chaya Raichik is taking the night off from torturing trans people to blame the LA fires on...

...wait for it...

DEI hiring in the LAFD.

Studio City the secret enclave of rich elder gays.

🎶 🎶 🎶 They call the wind D E I 🎶 🎶 🎶

4 story collapse-OMG!

And another one from the embers of that fire. Jeesh.

Not Studio City!

Tonights evil ear worm

[Quote] Ricki had quite the incredible view.

Look on the bright side; now it's unobstructed

[quote] My partner just yelled that Hollywood Hills is now on fire.

You don’t happen to have that on video?

Just curious.

[quote] and the arrest of Chase Christley,

What?

Haha! God owned the libs!

Ah heard Trump and Elon are gonna buy all the burnt-up land and build safe housing for REAL AMERICANS.

I hope Angelyne and her billboards are okay.

I'm in West Hollywood, and if you step outside, it smells like a huge bonfire. Kinda sick, but I love the smell of burning wood.

Studio City! That’s where the Brady Bunch house is! Hold me, David!!

Are the gay bars crowded?

Need to know.

Illegals started those fires! This is why they must be deported on day 1.

I'm so glad I planned another out-of-town trip this weekend!

Timmy, Mother, Daddy, and the rest will be fine.

Or they won't.

R457. Also, the smell and taste of dead crispy critters in the air, which there will be no escaping for a while.

I'll bet all the news outlets are praying that the Hollywood sign goes up; that would be the money shot for this story

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Hollywood Hills LIVE: Hollywood Consumed By Apocalypse Vibes as Wildfires Rage | Sunset Fire | N18G.

Is Gerard Butler okay? His Malibu house burned down in 2018.

I looked up Eugene Levy’s home in Pacific Palisades— it’s very modest for someone who has been in the biz for so long. Maybe he downsized or it’s not his primary residence or perhaps he likes the area and doesn’t feel the need to have a ridiculously large property. Whatever it is, I’m sorry he lost his home. I’d be in complete shock.

This is just awful. My youngest son is a Fire Lt. There is staffing issue right now at his station otherwise he would be there. Another Lt is out his g-ma died a a few are away in Hazmat classes.

R467, he never hit the big time. He went from Canadian television to indie films.

r469 Do you consider Bringing Down the House, New York Minute, and the one Madea movie to be "indie"? They may not have been hits or even successes, but he had pretty sizeable roles in them, and they're hardly "indie films".

Hollywood is now Burningwood.

The fires in LA right now feel absolutely apocalyptic. The sky is an eerie, burnt orange, ash is falling like snow, and the air is so thick it’s like trying to breathe through a pillow. I can’t stop crying. I grew up here. This city is everything to me and watching it burn feels like a nightmare I can’t wake up from.

Everywhere I look, there’s devastation. The news is nonstop, the footage is unbearable, and the scent of smoke is seeping into my clothes, my hair, my soul. Is this really happening? Is this how it all ends? People are evacuating, homes are being lost, and it feels like the very heart of LA is being ripped out.

Am I being dramatic? Maybe. But this feels like the most catastrophic event to hit LA in modern history. I’m shattered. Tell me I’m not alone in this.

I’ve officially hit my limit. My nerves are completely fried. I just popped an extra large Ativan because I simply cannot do this anymore. Either I’ll wake up in the morning with my house still standing, or I won’t wake up at all. At this point, I’m fine with either outcome.

Goodnight, LA. If I don’t see you tomorrow, it’s been real. If I do, someone please remind me to never live through an end-of-days scenario again. It SUCKS!!!

Best wishes, R473.

Don't be too upset, it's the cycle of life. From the ashes, new life arises. It will be over soon and we will build better.

Those of you in the midst are not overreacting. These fires are like hell has come to life, so it’s okay to feel absolutely devastated.

R476, no one asked your permission.

I wasn’t responding to you, MAGAT at r477. Aren’t you tired of being an unhappy troll?

Don’t bother responding; I won’t see it.

You know what I love? Mayor Bass, Fire Chief Crowley, and all the LA first responders and city officials still managed to save lives and save Hollywood last night despite the MASSIVE distraction caused by the Orange Menace, Elmo, Murdoch's Fox News and their many, many flying monkeys on the media on down to shittty chaos agents all over the Internet.

Makes you wonder who really cares about America — let alone their fellow Americans— and who cares about themselves doesn't it? Nothing that those assholes brought up couldn't wait until things were under control.

R233 I am an LA native. It's so heartbreaking and gut wrenching it's hard to even put into words.

I worked in the Palisades for years. My nephews went to Pali High. My in laws live in the Highlands. The fact it's all but gone now is just bizarre and really hard to fathom. My sister (who lives in Portland now) and I were on the phone tonight and both were in tears as we looked at pics of the devastation.

R479, FUCK ELMO. I hate him more than Trump. And I fucking hate Trump.

There is a very heavy poster in this thread who blames the people of Pacific Palisades for this and says they deserve it because they voted for Trump (this is not only not true but I believe this ZIP is the highest donating ZIP in the country to the Democratic Party.)

Anyway, f&F him.

I said no such thing. You're taking this out of context, which you can see at the link, to serve your weird agenda. I also invite anyone to look at my full posting history.

This person. This person said the Democratic voting people in Los Angeles deserve to lose their homes.

I got curious to check wind speeds in the area for the next several days. Looks like the firefighters have today and tomorrow (Thu/Fri) as a pocket of relative calm, then the Santa Ana winds come up strong again Sat/Sun.

Hoping for the best that can be hoped for.

This is good news, Torta. I was worried the winds were set to pick up again today.

R483 is a dumb right-wing troll.

R483 - and clearly because they need to take the forests, too. Amirite?

130,000 people under evacuation order. That's some serious displacement.

I wonder how this would pan out in let’s say Lisbon. In America, the house are all cardboard and paper burning like tinder.

To be fair, you can't build with brick in California because the mortar will disintegrate in an earthquake.

Hey - San Andreas Fault - hold my beer…

I told you dumbasses to rake the floors!

There were some really bad AI images of the Hollywood sign burning circulating last night, but the BBC is saying that the fires really are nearly there now.

I have a really stupid question. Where do the people being evacuated go? I've been watching news coverage but haven't seen any info on that.

BBC is saying 130,000 people have been ordered to evacuate but I can't imagine all of them have found nice hotels.

r494 They don't send people en masse to one specific location in such cases. They scatter them out at smaller sites which are more or less nearby but considered safe. For instance, Hollywood High School has been mentioned as an evacuation center.

I think the Hollywood sign should be the least of anyone's worries.

It is, but there's some optics involved, which I think is stupid too. Sadly, that's how the world works.

For the residents who managed to salvage their homes - do you think any of them would want to move back in and live there again ? The stench will be around for years (I think). Then to look around what was your neighborhood and see pure devastation ? I think many people who still have their property just may tear it all down and start elsewhere.

I can't imagine being in their shoes. As one guy said on CNN this morning - it's like having this nightmare you can't wake up from.

One thing they have mentioned a few times is the power cords running above ground in the neighborhoods - these have spread the fires faster (along with the winds). My city on the east coast has been asking for 'buried power lines' in our residential neighborhoods for decades (just like we have in the commercial districts downtown) but the electric company has been fighting this for years - they claim it will put 'many repair men' out of work. Ridiculous! (We have a lot of power outages with heavy winds in rainstorms and snowstorms with downed power lines).

[quote]The stench will be around for years (I think).

I thought the same, but it actually goes faster than one would think, especially after the debris is cleared out and some new vegetation has some time to grow. I had a friend lose a place in the fires in NorCal a few years ago, and I was surprised that it didn't have that smell lingering.

Gary powerlines are prohibitively expensive. In our neighborhood we looked at doing that maybe 20 years ago and I believe the cost was something like $50,000 per telephone pole. We live in a rural area so burying the poles for the entire town would probably be in the high eight figures, And it would generate minimal additional tax revenue to offset it.

R499, so typical. if that’s the utility company’s opposition - keeping the lines up on poles as a job-protecting charity function - then they have no credible opposition.

Can’t the pole climbers just become hole diggers instead? Surely stuff still goes wrong that needs to be fixed

The Hollywood sign used to say HOLLYWOODLAND. Maybe they can just save HO if the sign is threatened by fire. Forget the other letters and go with the succinct upgrade.

Hasn't the sign been replaced at least once already (ahead of the '84 Olympics)?

Gary Powerline, personal injury lawyer and party magician.

Hah! Somehow “burying” because “Gary.”

[quote]On top of all of this, we have to deal with the death of Jocelyn Wildenstein and the arrest of Chase Christley, it's almost too much to bare.

Oh, dear. (Not giving the benefit of a doubt based on previous posts)

How many Frank Lloyd Wright houses have been lost or are endangered ? Apparently, Bill Kaulitz’ is.

When are the winds expected to stop? They can contain the fires once the winds stop.

Is Hollywood gone yet?

We are all up right now. We walked outside & I cannot begin to describe the sordid type of smoke and the smell that is filling the air, settling on to the city.

It smells like smoke, ash, melted plastic, burnt wood, burnt paint, and charred animal flesh, or that smell that permeates the air when one is driving past or into areas east of DTLA, and can smell the carcasses of swine being rendered in that Vernon slaughter house. You all who have lived in Los Angeles for many years know the one I’m referring to. We can also smell it in the second floor of the home. The third floor is all mine & thankfully, it hasn’t permeated itself in there yet.

I’ve had a non stop headache for the last 24 hours due to all of smoke wafting into our area.

We’re between the Eaton and the Sylmar/San Fernando Valley fires. We’re all OK but were on standby yesterday due to all of the Emergency Alerts for possible Evacuation Orders.

Watching the news and oh my god. What an absolutely devastating loss to so many. I hope everyone on here affected by this are safe. I’m so, so sorry this happened. I cannot even begin to understand how something like this feels, other than to be stuck on survival mode, which is another whole bag of trauma that has to be resolved once the dust literally settles.

Hugs to you, r511. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us.

Those celebs can rebuild and stay in their other homes until they are rebuilt-they will survive.

Hugs to r511 🩷❤️🧡💛💚🩵💙💜

A friend and her husband live(d) in Pacific Palisades and we kept getting fist hand updates even as things were happening (chaos on Sunset Bvd, among other things.) They are safe now and in a friend's house but she said there's pretty much nothing left in Pacific Palisades. They haven't checked on their rental house but are almost 100% certain it's gone.

r504, I would love it if it was HO LAND.

Anyway, stuck my head outside (in West Hollywood) and it no longer smells like a bonfire.. ABC is not doing local coverage, it's showing Jimmy Carter's funeral. All the living ex, present, and future president are there, and it's interesting to watch the dynamic. Obama is the only one chatting up Trump, but it might be because he's forced to sit next to him.

Really good to see nearly no wind in all the live news reporting I'm watching.

You should wear a mask if you have one, lots of chemicals and plastics and crap being burned....

The Palisades fire keeps getting closer to the Eames House (203 Chautauqua Blvd). I’m so hoping that magnificent place is spared.

I’m amazed how many people believe every celebrity is wealthy!

These folks have zero idea and cannot grasp that most, in fact, are not running around on yachts and private jets.

Unless an actor is booked 24/7, it’s oftentimes money in, money out. It takes years to get to a point where one has, let’s say… 5 to 8, 10 million in net worth. Assets are almost always homes and/or apartment buildings as rental units. Getting 1-3 of these takes MANY years so that they’re profitable, but property ownership/management is an expensive endeavor. Plenty of them own properties mainly outside of California that they’re rent out to regular people. You may or not may know who your landlord actually is with Property Management companies running the show. MANY more celebrities live in VERY normal, average neighborhoods and homes than people understand. Woodland Hills, Sherman Oaks, Van Nuys, Glendale, etc.

Plenty leave Los Angeles after acquiring a rental property & move to New Mexico, Arizona, Texas and of course Georgia, to save money and build equity.

Then there’s the kids, school expenses, clothing, vehicles, food, gas, medical insurance for the entire family, medical emergencies with parents or the parent with dementia in 24/7 assisted living.

AND within all of this, there are salaries to be paid to those who help them run the shop, so to speak, in house or contracted or retainers.

After MANY, MANY years of this, with the assumption that all has gone smoothly so far, a celebrity who is now on their late 40s to mid 60s MIGHT be able to say, “OK. The kids are off to college, and if I work on a set or gig every 2-4 years, me and the wife/husband will be solid.”

FUCK any and all of you who come on here to tell us about how you don’t give a fuck about celebs losing everything because you’ve never left your fucking house in all of your lives, or have never traveled or experienced the responsibilities of managing a career and a household. Being a celebrity is a FUCKING BUSINESS. IT’S A JOB. You’re running a fever or barfing? 2 more hours on the set. You’re on tour and broke your ankle? Here’s a chair and a guitar, now get back to work because tonight you’re playing that show no matter what.

R290? What can be said of you or to you? You haven’t really lived, so it’s understandable that you just don’t get, “it.”

Thank you for this, r520. I'm grounded enough in reality to wonder how celebs do it, and you've demystified it a bit.

Melissa Rivers, whose home was destroyed by the fires, says she grabbed the necessities and “my mom's Emmy, a photo of my dad and a drawing my mother had done of me and my son...I went for a drawing of my mother's rather than a photo, because I know I can find the photos.”

R511, thanks for describing, it's hard for the rest of us to imagine. The description of the smell really brought it home. Close friends lived near the WTC here in 2001 and they couldn't get over the unique and horrible cluster of smells and ash/dust coming from the site.

Separately, politically, Trump's been barking like a brain-diseased chihuahua over on Truth Social, using the fire to try to hurt the libs: bashing the Dems, bashing Newsom, bashing the LA mayor, all during a time of horrible crisis and tragedy... and the mainstream press is giving it next to zero attention. He seems small and ugly and on the margins, in all of this. Good.

I am trying to understand this Santa Ana phenomenon. Seeing those winds carrying flames smash into the Malibu coastline is not something I have seen before. Is it usually this dry into early winter? And even though the local temperatures are still mild are the Santa Ana winds actually hot, or are the ambient air temperatures still low?

Usually, there's rain to keep the Santa Ana winds from doing what it's doing right now. The LA metro hasn't had rain since May.

It makes me sad to think about all the art and books that got lost in these fires.

Santa Ana driven fires have burned Malibu and the surrounding area (such as the Palisades) since before any large scale development in the area. Of course climate change exacerbates it in a number of ways.

Here's a good historical article.

The Santa Anas blow from the Santa Anas to the ocean, and it goes with very low humidity, usually 10% or less. Sometimes they're hot, but this year, not so much- it got into the very low '70's during the days this week.

R524, apparently no, this is very unusual to have a total drought through Oct Nov Dec into January. This is normally a wetter season for LA with at least some rainfall.

I believe the wind temps coming down from the mountains are only in the 60s or so, but at those extreme wind speeds and all the bone-dry vegetation everywhere, even a cool wind can spread a fire very rapidly.

Do the Santa Ana winds usually stop as quickly as they start? Even though there is no rain forecast, I hope some of that cool moist air from the north can make its way down.

R523, the smell has officially permeated the third floor! 😟

I’m more concerned about our pets and our very beloved senior who owns the home we live in. He built this home. Started in the early 1980s. I’ve known him since I was a teen. He was/is 20 plus years my senior. I used to hang out with his ex girlfriend in our wild, Los Angeles heyday. Many years later, after not being in contact for years, we ran into each other at an A.A. Meeting here in L.A. Thankfully, we had both gotten sober, and in a VERY unexpected twist of fate, here we are, sharing a home, along with our also very loved roommate who is the unofficial head of household & keeps us all calm.

It’s just so gross right now. Very hard to breathe in nothing but smoke, even with a face mask.

I haven’t slept. I am so fucking anxious for everyone right now. I’ve never been in a fire, but I know what huge loss and displacement feels like & feeling safe again was very difficult for me, so of course, I’m projecting & just want everyone to know that eventually, you feel safe again & everything will be alright.

There's not much they can do until the winds die down. Looking at this video, you can see why the fires are spreading everywhere and why it's nearly impossible to stop them.

R515 thought only WeHo got "fist hand" updates.

This is so tragic.

A reminder to digitize important photos, papers, letters from departed loved ones, etc.

NO, R496.

They'd replace it with a Vegas-Times Square light-show sign spelling out each letter, flashing rapidly, and ending every 30 seconds with color changes.

County Supervisor Lindsey Horvath wants her Emmy.

I've written this before, but I'll do it again.

r520 echoes what I heard from a guy I met who had retired to a condo in Wisconsin after working for decades as a union crew member in for the big Hollywood studios.

"After seeing it up close, trust me, you wouldn't want to be famous star. Staff, homes, security, it all costs big money."

Oh, and he also said that Angelina Jolie was very nice to members of the crew, down-to-earth and friendly.

It's not just the drought and the winds:

“Climate change is leading to more erratic and extreme precipitation patterns,” he said. “That effect on precipitation is very important, because we’re having wetter wet periods and drier dry periods, and overall, we're seeing this very erratic timing of precipitation.

That means a region like Southern California could be hammered by severe flooding at one point, as it was in March, and then months later descend into drought. Lurching between those extremes puts people and their communities at heightened risk, Moritz said.

“That’s the climate signal in all of this — that we’ve opened this window where we can get these big, devastating extreme events now,” he said.

What R520 describes sounds like a giant hamster wheel of money and stress. I'd rather live more simply and just work. But I'm sure some of it has to do with their egos and narcissism.

[quote]wetter wet periods

Pics please.

540 = Nan Michiganwomyn

Or Paris Hilton and her size 12 feetz R541.

R539, what I described is how most of us in America live.

We work to pay bills & support ourselves and our families.

Some do it in the office while others do it on a set or a stage.

Celebrities-they're just like you!

R191 Funny how the part that's shows that the funding for the police went up almost as much as what the fire department loss is not shown should tell the rest of you that this is just a right wing diarrhea.

Note to the PCH beachfront homeowners.

We don't think you will be rebuilding.

Oof. That's going to be a "fun" one.

And then come the mud slides and washed out roads... When should these be expected?

R499 -- the issue about putting linemen out of work with underground lines is, well, you have to assume they're actually doing their jobs, if the positions exist to begin with. A private company with no competition will still seek to maximize profit which means a slim workforce.

Up north, I don't know if PG&E has ever had to answer for their poor line maintenance that contributed to the Napa fires several years back. Their excuse was they could not access lines on private property for maintenance due to overgrown vegetation. Residents never got a notice or order about clearing brush. So they let their infrastructure sit and rot?

PG&E can be so slipshot that they've had gas explosions that have leveled a neighborhood (after multiple complaints from residents about a gas leak) and part of a city. Maintaining the lines? Well fuck that, too. So grateful my city has its own municipal power company.

R548 Here in neighboring Nevada, NV Energy is almost as bad as PG & E. Power outages 3-4 times a year here (sometimes due to high winds, but most of the time not) and random rate increases.

Did I see clip of Jamie Leigh on the tonight show being so Jamie Leigh Curtis?

Has anyone checked on Matt Damon and his rabbit-faced wife?

his really had Home for me. I wrote some of this yesterday in the first thread, but my sister-in-law lost everything yesterday. I would say brother I would say my brother and sister-in-law but he died just two years ago, 10 days after being diagnosed with brain cancer. So she has been through a lot already. She, and my four nieces one of them was still living at the house on Monument Street which is one of the streets that borders the now leveled Pali Village. A five minute walk from their place from where they live.

I live in NYC now but they built that they did it but they did a teardown and built that house for the ground up in 1992 when I still lived in West Hollywood. I have been there numerous times holidays birthday is everything in between and I know that area very well from that connection.

Pacific Palisades was not an incorporated city I don't know the term but I believe it's a community. There was one fire department and no police department. If something happened with police were needed they relate on the Santa Monica Police Department.

and yes, my brother did very well for himself. He was an excellent provider for his family who were not wanting for anything. Like him, I estimate that 98% of the residence of Pacific Palisades really have their shit together. They were living their best lives. And he did it ALL on his own. It wasn't about nepotism, family status, wealth or relatives with connections.

Add in my opinion, it doesn't matter your income bracket, your place at life's table, whatever. Anyone who goes through that level of devastating and sudden loss gets a huge, HUGE pass.

In my opinion it doesn't matter your income bracket, your place at life's table Life's Table

Have the QAnon conspiracies started yet about FEMA militias stealing peoples land?

NOTE re the above: I did not fine tune it or proofread it because I tried doing that twice and each time I lost all the text for some reason. Then I'd have to start over or cut and paste what I had saved and it just got too overwhelming.

Pacific Palisades is a section/neighborhood of LA that functions to a large degree as it's own enclave, as many such areas do.

r554, when I want to add a couple of paragraphs, I type it in a Word document, edit it, then paste it into the DL window.

Wow, that's pretty terrible, r549. That used to happen in Chicago with Com Ed. (On the coldest winter mornings getting ready for work it seemed)

So lucky to have SMUD in Sacramento. I've only had power go out four times in 16 years. A blown transformer, car hitting a utility pole, and a flaming, smoking pole (literally -- electrocuted rat) in my back yard that was replaced. I had power back within an hour in the first two, and within four for the pole incident. The fourth was during the awful atmospheric river two years ago this month. Power back within 24 hours. If a non-profit can do this for a city of 530K...

r552, sorry about your brother

I'm watching the KABC footage over Pacific Palisades right now. It's all gone. It's ALL gone. Jesus Christ in Heaven.

Sending you love and hugs, dear R511. DL hugs, but hugs nevertheless.

Ironically, last year Southern California received a record total rainfall. Where were the dams and reservoirs to store all of that water?