Why did Janet Jackson’s career go straight down the shitter?

Who wants to hear slight variations of the same album for 40 years??

[quote]Who wants to hear slight variations of the same album for 40 years??

Her own or others (Carly Simon, Joni Mitchell, Sly Stone, Supremes, etc...)?

She's talentless.

[quote] Who wants to hear slight variations of the same album for 40 years??

You mean besides the fans of Madonna, Celine, Taylor, Mariah, Adele, Britney, Xtina, Gaga, RiRi and Pink?

She’s a perennial icon, OP, so your question is invalid.

She looks GOOD.

r6 What's the source of that photo?

[quote]You mean besides the fans of Madonna, Celine, Taylor, Mariah, Adele, Britney, Xtina, Gaga, RiRi and Pink?

Trustfall (2022) sounded nothing like Can't Take Me Home (2000).

Harlequin (2024) sounded nothing like The Fame (2008).

Aguilera (2022) sounded nothing like Christina Aguilera (1999).

Mariah Carey (1990) sounded nothing like Caution (2018).

Like A Virgin (1984) sounded nothing like Madame X (2019).

^and “Janet Jackson” sounds nothing like “Unbreakable.” What’s your point? Oh…wait…

[quote][R6] What's the source of that photo?

She uploaded it on social media after her show last week.

Such a stupid thread. Janet rocks!

I don't look to celebrities to understand anything about politics or to be 'right' on issues. I just want to be excited and entertained and Janet always delivers.

"I heard she isn't black." - Janet on Kamala

Janet’s doing very well, especially considering that she hasn’t released new music since 2015. She’s doing the same thing Madonna and Cher are doing, touring off their back catalogue. Janet needs to get rid of that dirtbag brother of hers.

R13 you mean Jermaine?

Most of it was inevitable. Has there ever been a major female pop star who had a youthful fan base and retained that huge fan base as she reached and then passed age 40? The fact that Madonna did - and only for a short while (the Music album) - only points to how unusual it is.

R5 you mean Janet is an invalid?

I hate to say it and its completely unjust, but the Superbowl nipplegate ruined superstardom for her with the mainstream.

I also agree that she can't shake Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.

And I say this as someone who enjoys and loves her, despite all the Jackson family crazy.

r15 is right. Madonna, Cher and Tina Turner are the only ones I can think of who still had major pop careers after forty. And Tina Turner had a LONG dry spell that lasted for years before that. Grace Slick also had two or three hits with Starship when she was in her forties. It's very unusual for a female artist to still have a big career in pop music after a certain age.

Beyonce has been the HBIC for nearly 30 years. She is (allegedly) 43 and has not even reached her peak.

Janet Jackson would not be the star she is without Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, who crafted her iconic Minneapolis sound style. Her music career before that was nothing, including a turn on Fame, the TV show. Once she got out of the "Jackson" machine she flourished. Control was such a departure from her and any form of pop music at the time. Rhythm Nation was also another great collaboration with Jam and Lewis. I think when she started to think she was more of the artist and tried other producers is when she lost her way. Jackson is credited as song writer on all of her songs, but how much of that she writes is anyone's guess. Her album Janet. was probably her best collab with Jam and Lews, losing the industrial funk sound of Minneapolis and getting a bit more groovy and sexy. She is one of the few artists to produce 6 top ten #1 hits from a single album.

She sucks

Last I listened to her/bought her CD was some real shitty offering (I believe with Jermaine Dupri) that only had one Jam/Lewis song on it called "Enjoy" and that was the only decent track on the album. I don't know if she ever released it or not but it should have been the first release cause it definitely would have went to #1.

That proved to me they were the magic behind her facade.

Well, I really know how to hold a grudge.

[quote]That proved to me they were the magic behind her facade.

And you just proved to me that you know diddly squat.

Yes, and with the help of good ol' karma, Les Moonface was publicly humiliated by his dirty deeds.

The Control album sounds very dated today. I don't think it's held up well.

^Only to your tasteless ears, dear.

No it's dated.

No it's not, but you tried it.

The way Katy Perry interpolated "What Have You Done For Me Lately" into "Bon Appetite" during one of her tours was HOT.

[quote] Janet Jackson would not be the star she is without Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, who crafted her iconic Minneapolis sound style.

No. As accomplished and proficient as Jam & Lewis are as musicians, writers and producers their best work is with her. Janet has the magic, she just needed the right collaborators to showcase it. Their other work is great what they did with Janet is the most distinctive and electrifying.

r32 agree to disagree. Didn't mean to turn you on was better than most anything that came from Janet but because it was Cherelle it was deemed "black" music and didn't cross over until Robert Palmer did it. They could work magic with other artists. Give it to You, Jordan Knight's solo hit, Human, with the Human League, Fake Alexander O'Neil, If it Isn't Love, New Edition, Monkey George Michael, On Bended Knee Boyz II Men, Romantic Karyn White, Scream Michael and Janet, The Floor Johnny Gill - just to name a few.

r21 100%

R33, I think much of their stuff with others is good. I think their work with Alexander O'Neal and Cherelle is brilliant but nothing is on par with what they created with Janet.

Did she ever buy back her baby that she gave away?

Nipplegate and now the dumb bitch is a MAGA. Make it make sense.

She rode on her brother's coattails and then he died.

I'm not a fan of hers any more--she lost me after The Velvet Rope--but I'd still rather listen to any Janet album over any Mariah album. Or Christina. Those two are torture. And add to that the far overpraised Beyonce.

But I'd still listen to a Madonna album over a Janet album. Even "Madame X".

Bitch can’t sing.

Thread closed.

[quote] Did she ever buy back her baby that she gave away?

No.

R39 Beyoncé is one of the greatest artists of all time. Janet has never made a Lemonade.

Rhythm Nation 1814 was her Lemonade (latter was better, ofc).

[QUOTE]Janet has never made a Lemonade.

All hail, Queen Janet!

I agree with R43, and we have yet to see how Lemonade goes on to influence other artists in the decades to come. I am a 60/40 split fan of Madonna and Janet, Rhythm Nation is an amazing album. The album Janet was the only real departure album, her others sound has a continuity that makes it's longevity unique. Doesn't change the fact that she's made some amazing music.

What’s wrong with you people?

They’re all horrible.

[quote] Rhythm Nation 1814 was her Lemonade (latter was better, ofc).

"Rhythm Nation" was the "Lemonade" of its time. No mainstream pop artist had ever tackled social injustice by name in such a forthright manner on a commercial recording - the title track, "The Knowledge", " State of the World", etc. And before everyone starts trying to redefine "mainstream pop artist" it refers to someone who had multi-platinum record sales and No.1 hits on the pop charts. So that would not include Nina Simone or Gil Scott-Heron.

[quote]Janet has never made a Lemonade.

🤦‍♂️ Of all the stupid things I’ve ever read on DL (and there have been MANY), that one really takes it. Please tell me you’re just a highly uninformed Gen-Zer or something, because you cannot be this dumb and have been around in the late ‘80s. Sweetie, Rhythm Nation 1814 GAVE BIRTH to Lemonade. Without Janet’s still-influential, still-relevant seminal 1989 masterpiece, there would not have been a Lemonade. From the highly conceptual black and white imagery and videos to the concept mini-movie that coincided with the release of the album, it was a juggernaut that exploded onto the charts and became the biggest album of 1990 with seven top 5 Hot 100 singles (the only album to ever achieve this feat), at a time when Beyonce was still playing with dolls and singing into a hairbrush in front of a mirror. Add to that, Janet’s 1997 dark magnum opus The Velvet Rope is the mother to Bey’s sister Solange’s A Seat at the Table album, which even critics have stated.

Rhythm Nation was her Lemonade? Ha! Nigga, please! It’s the other way around.

I’ll admit Rhythm Nation was a groundbreaking album. However at a certain point we must acknowledge a singer’s limitation. Janet could never ever do this.

R50 and? What’s your point? Must every singer sound like Beyoncé? How dull.

R51 Never said that. Any song whispercoo can make Beyonce could cover.

Biggest album of 1990 was MC Hammer.

r42 "Beyoncé is one of the greatest artists of all time."

Hahaha, you made me spit out my coffee. That was a good one.

r49 We won't use that variation of the 'n' word here. Speak like an adult.

[quote]Beyonce could cover.

And she did, to middling effect…

A lot of people on DL say it was when she did those Baja Fresh commercials in CA. I loved them as a kid and was a HUGE fan so I always thought they were cool.

Biggest selling US album in 1990 was RN 1814. The iconic mini movie for the album also won the Grammy for music video, long form.

Anybody can do a screenshot, R53.

R56 The Queen has always given Janet her props as she has done for every black legend at some point. This came on a few weeks after the Nipplegate Super Bowl. I knew it was wrap for Janet 😂. And I’m only bashing her because she is a stupid ass MAGA bitch and coy one. At least be real. She knew exactly what she was implying when did that interview questioning Kamala’s ethnicity. Has Trump dialed her to perform at his inauguration. God knows she needs a gig.

[quote]God knows she needs a gig.

Well, you’ve clearly been under a rock 😆

Only 10 shows at a venue that is 5000 maximum capacity?

Must be having a difficult time selling tickets.

[quote] However at a certain point we must acknowledge a singer’s limitation. Janet could never ever do this.

And Beyonce can't do a full sit down interview either or speak English properly but yeah, let's focus on limitations because your "queen bee" has a million of them.

R62 exactly. It’s sad. Not even Magas will go see Janet.

R63 😂. Desperate huh? The Queen has done plenty of sit down interviews where she is poised and graceful and articulate. She is just not a fake cunt so she is not going to be fake and sound like a college graduate because she is not one. She is actually quite smart. Just because she has a deep southern drawl which has somewhat diminished over the years.

R64 R65 Fuck off teacunt. You're so insecure you have to F&F people from your multiple accounts because you can't handle a different point of view nor can you dispute it.

Beyonce does not have an articulate way of speaking. Sorry, but she just doesn't. She speaks like any country, podunk black girl who has to be careful not to put "ain'ts" where "isn'ts" are supposed to be. Now, someone like Aaliyah, OTOH, had a beautiful flowy way of speaking and enunciating without sounding like a 'round the way girl. Even Rihanna has a better speaking voice.

[quote]Only 10 shows at a venue that is 5000 maximum capacity?

Well, genius, she did just come off of the successful second-leg of her TA World Tour when she went into rehearsals for this new show, so it's doubtful she'd want to spend another 6 months doing a grueling residency. Besides, she already did the multiple-month residency thing in 2019 with her METAMORPHOSIS show.

What is there to rehearse?

She's been doing the same tired choreography for the past 40 years.

Rhythm Nation 1814 was the first album to have number-one hits in three different calendar years as well as the only album (at the time) to have seven hot 100 hits from one album. Janet. , her next studio album was the first to land on number one for a female artist since Nielsen Soundscan was used to validate sales. That's the way love goes remained number one for eight consecutive weeks. I would argue either Rhythm Nation or Janet. were her Lemonade.

[quote]the only album (at the time) to have seven hot 100 hits from one album.

That's actually a record that still stands

[quote]I would argue either Rhythm Nation or Janet. were her Lemonade.

Lemonade would be Beyonce's Rhythm Nation or janet., not the other way around. You must start with the blueprint. But, I get what you're saying.