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The Murder of 2 year old James Bulger by two 10 year olds

I came about this horrific story from of all things looking at the plot for Wicked.

Holy shit. Two 10 year old boys brutally murdered that poor child. UKers, dish. What don’t we know about this story that isn’t already out there? The one kid, Jon Venables, who was thought to be the least likely to offend ended up being a complete menace to society. The other, who is likely a psychopath, we haven’t heard much about. But Venables, damn, he just keeps reoffending and reoffending. Both given new identities, but many have showed pics of them. I cant find any.

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by Anonymousreply 146January 9, 2025 3:54 PM

Get over it.

by Anonymousreply 1January 6, 2025 6:03 PM

Huh? R1

by Anonymousreply 2January 6, 2025 6:06 PM

Move on

by Anonymousreply 3January 6, 2025 6:36 PM

R = Keir Starmer encountering a case of child abuse

by Anonymousreply 4January 6, 2025 6:39 PM

There was a short film on this called Detainment. It was basically the transcripts from their interrogations. Venables showed remorse, but Thompson did not. Venables also fucked some female guard while he was underage in prison, then he became a stone cold pedo.

It makes you wonder what the fuck happened to them when they were younger.

by Anonymousreply 5January 6, 2025 6:39 PM

R5 - My aunt worked in the place the boys were held and, while she wouldn’t give details, told me their home lives were a horror show.

by Anonymousreply 6January 6, 2025 6:55 PM

R6 They weren’t held at the same place, though.

Thompson is a psychopath, but he’s apparently stayed out of trouble. Venables became a pedo. Both sexually assaulted the 2 year old.

The murder was brutal. It is hard to believe 10 year olds did this, and it is hard to believe they were always skipping school, robbing places, running around in the open and no one did jack shit about it.

by Anonymousreply 7January 6, 2025 7:05 PM

Cuntville

by Anonymousreply 8January 6, 2025 7:14 PM

Venables has been caught repeatedly with violent child porn. He’s gone to jail, only to get back out time after time. I think he is finally behind bars again and has staying there until this day, but no one knows for sure.

by Anonymousreply 9January 6, 2025 7:15 PM

when i was a young boy, my idiot dad told me about this murder right after it'd made the papers, i think as a way to scare me from wandering off in public. All it did was fill my head with horrible imagery and make me fearful of older boys. Thanks dud, i mean Dad.

by Anonymousreply 10January 6, 2025 7:21 PM

I learned about this tragic story about 6 or 7 years ago right here on DL from one of the infamous crimes threads. Op how did Wicked make you come across this. Please explain.

by Anonymousreply 11January 6, 2025 7:31 PM

They're both genuine sociopaths. Someone I know interviewed both of them as part of research into child sociopathy. There was vague suggestion of sexual assault but not enough to suggest there was a sexual motivation to the crime, more that they just wanted to hurt someone. I might be misremembering this but they initially planned to push a child into traffic but got spooked and instead led the victim on a long walk to a railway line.

I was quite young at the time, but there were horrible details/rumours not related to the public about the depravity of this case. Also, the one who's not been sent back to prison has transitioned.

by Anonymousreply 12January 6, 2025 7:31 PM

[quote]They weren’t held at the same place, though.

Yes, sorry, R6 - this was over 30 years ago she told me, so I’d forgotten details.

by Anonymousreply 13January 6, 2025 7:39 PM

R12 "Also, the one who's not been sent back to prison has transitioned."

That almost merits a thread of its own.

by Anonymousreply 14January 6, 2025 7:56 PM

Frau or pedo thread

FF

by Anonymousreply 15January 6, 2025 8:24 PM

Mary Bell, who was 10 when she murdered a 4-year-old, had been sold out to her prostitute mother’s clients for years.

You would think extreme abuse like this predates children turning to such violent acts.

by Anonymousreply 16January 6, 2025 8:37 PM

There's a woman on NC's death row (Blanche Taylor Moore), a serial killer who poisoned multiple people, who was apparently sold out as a prostitute by her father when she was a young teen to help pay off his gambling debts. (He was a Baptist minister.)

Sociopathy can run in the family - it's not really something you choose.

by Anonymousreply 17January 6, 2025 8:55 PM

Gitta Sereny’s book about Mary Bell as an appendix about the Bulger case. She attended trial and interviewed the families. Recommended.

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by Anonymousreply 18January 6, 2025 8:55 PM

Yep. They got out and one went back in for child prn. The UK gives you a new identity when you get out.

by Anonymousreply 19January 6, 2025 9:02 PM

Britain has all the psycho child killers - kids who kill.

by Anonymousreply 20January 6, 2025 9:02 PM

R20,

We haven’t had kids shoot up their schools. It seems to be a frequent occurrence in the US.

by Anonymousreply 21January 6, 2025 9:13 PM

Well, this was horrifying. I don't know what rock I was living under, but never heard of this atrocious case.

by Anonymousreply 22January 6, 2025 10:44 PM

There's a good movie inspired by this story called Boy A. Andrew Garfield portrays one of the young killers. It’s streamble on Tubi and Prime.

by Anonymousreply 23January 6, 2025 11:22 PM

Op we are still waiting for the Wicked connection. Or are the producers of Emilia Perez stealth flaming online sites? 😂

by Anonymousreply 24January 6, 2025 11:35 PM

R11 The guy who wrote Wicked was into things like does true evil exist, and this was one of the cases he cited.

R12 Transitioned? Are you saying Robert Thompson is a woman now because there’s zero proof. In fact, many people have attempted to show his recent photos, but they get wiped.

by Anonymousreply 25January 6, 2025 11:36 PM

Op is a weird ass and posts way too much inane shit

by Anonymousreply 26January 6, 2025 11:49 PM

[quote]R25 The guy who wrote Wicked was into things like does true evil exist, and this was one of the cases he cited.

WICKED, the musical?

by Anonymousreply 27January 6, 2025 11:54 PM

R35 Do you expect me to show a picture with him with a copy of today's paper? In your own words, this shit is wiped from the internet. A very close friend of mine has met them both several times for research. I have no reason to make shit up about a horrible sociopathic child killer. He's already made his own bad press.

by Anonymousreply 28January 7, 2025 12:09 AM

A taste of R12 / R28’s posting history in case anyone for a second suspected him of truthfulness or a lack of agenda:

“I've never met a trans person who didn't have severe mental health problems bigger than their so-called gender dysmorphia.”

“There is no rationality to gender ideology. It's a belief system that exists outside of rational Western philosophy based on reason. It's a mental disorder.”

“At my nephew's christening, two people turned up in mens suits. My BIL cos he'd been told to by my sister. And a "transman" friend of my sister. She just looked like a fat lesbian wearing man clothes. It's all about performance.”

“A woman who's had her tits cut off isn't a man.”

“Ask yourself why trans women want to get into women's toilets and trans men don't want to get into men's toilets. There's a reason we have spaces segregated by sex.”

“Trans are by definition mentally ill, so their histrionic accusal of everyone denying their existence isn't much of a surprise. They live in a constant state of hysteria.”

“The majority of male "trans" are straight men. In the real world they want nothing to do with gay men.”

by Anonymousreply 29January 7, 2025 12:24 AM

R29 I knew it. He’s a liar. Thank you!

R26 True crime is inane? This case has been covered by every true crime podcast on YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 30January 7, 2025 12:48 AM

R27 The one who wrote the book it was based on.

by Anonymousreply 31January 7, 2025 12:50 AM

I just watched a YT video on this.

Venables was a very disturbed child before he did this. Teachers said they’d never had a child that disturbed. Thompson was described as not caring, mischievous, and by some, normal.

Child crime was rampant in that part of Liverpool. Both kids would leave school in the middle of the day, run the streets in view of everyone, and not one fucking thing was done. No police to take them back to school, or find out what all these very young kids were doing running the streets all hours of the day even up to midnight. Both missed weeks of school at a time. What the fuck was wrong with that area? That city was filled with hoodlums and the locals were all like “kids will be kids.”

by Anonymousreply 32January 7, 2025 1:04 AM

R29 yet they're not incorrect

by Anonymousreply 33January 7, 2025 1:15 AM

Whenever I see a James Bulger thread here (we've had quite a few over the years), I'm almost afraid to open it expecting one to have committed some heinous crime. It's so heartbreaking. Poor little James went along so trustingly.

Back when IMDb had forums (fora?), I was a member of the Sports board to discuss English and Spanish soccer. I was surprised to learn Liverpool has a terrible reputation for everything in the UK, but especially crime and gangsters. One poster went as far as describing it as a genetic cesspool. As far as I could tell, it wasn't an assessment made on the basis of football rivalries. It was pretty much a universal opinion. I'm trying to think of a comparable city. Detroit of the 80s? Industrial, gloomy, crime ridden.

by Anonymousreply 34January 7, 2025 1:17 AM

OP/r12/r28 you have humiliated yourself.

by Anonymousreply 35January 7, 2025 1:21 AM

Jon Venables should never be released. He’s a danger to society and has proven that over and over. His fucking the female guard when he was underage is always swept under the rug, too. One podcaster said he’d been fucking her since he was 12 or 13. They just let her go.

by Anonymousreply 36January 7, 2025 1:22 AM

R12 and r28 is not OP.

by Anonymousreply 37January 7, 2025 1:22 AM

R33 the salient point is this is a perfect example of how deceptive, brazen and stupid our anti trans trolls are here on DL. This specific lie is quite a nasty one, and should give you an idea about who the real weirdos are.

by Anonymousreply 38January 7, 2025 1:24 AM

^ should be "comparable American city" at r34

Miami/South Florida in the 80s maybe? Lots of crime, gangsters, and rednecks. Too much sunshine, though.

by Anonymousreply 39January 7, 2025 1:24 AM

They won’t release the most disturbing parts of the interrogation. They did far worse to James than we have been told.

by Anonymousreply 40January 7, 2025 1:30 AM

r37 Ok, then:

OP - you and R12 / R28 have humiliated yourselves.

by Anonymousreply 41January 7, 2025 1:35 AM

R41 how so, dipshit?

by Anonymousreply 42January 7, 2025 1:44 AM

I remember hearing about this when it happened as a kid. It was shocking.

by Anonymousreply 43January 7, 2025 1:54 AM

God, I remember this so well. The video of the van carrying the boys to court and all the Brits throwing rocks at the van. It was something. The pics/videos of them leading him away have stuck with me all this time.

by Anonymousreply 44January 7, 2025 1:56 AM

I heard about this too! It’s sick! I hope the authorities do something about it.

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by Anonymousreply 45January 7, 2025 1:58 AM

r42 Just your funny talking back and forth to yourself. Please do carry on, though!

by Anonymousreply 46January 7, 2025 2:17 AM

The Mary Bell case is equally disturbing. She was diagnosed as a psychopath, also gets to live in anonymity, hopefully not committing more crimes.

by Anonymousreply 47January 7, 2025 2:35 AM

This horrific UK murder (and the resultant press coverage here) occurred around the same time as the murders of three young boys in Memphis, TN which dominated US public interest. The defendants in the latter case were dubbed "The Memphis Three."

So much evil.

by Anonymousreply 48January 7, 2025 3:40 AM

^ West Memphis

by Anonymousreply 49January 7, 2025 3:47 AM

R49 I need to read up on that now!

by Anonymousreply 50January 7, 2025 3:50 AM

Boy A was pretty good. Very similar, but they chickened out on showing brutality and Jack’s culpability.

Jon Venables will molest if he’s ever let out. He’s too far damaged. Thompson is probably your run of the mill domestic abuser.

by Anonymousreply 51January 7, 2025 3:57 AM

So much controversy and confusion about WM3.

Though the alleged perpetrators weren't elementary school children -- teens.

The best bit of evidence (no pun intended) is that the actual perpetrator had all of his teeth removed once he found out LE had bite mark evidence on the victims.

by Anonymousreply 52January 7, 2025 3:59 AM

R52 Yet, no other evidence. That is very damning, yet no one seems to think he did it. Another father was also suspected.

by Anonymousreply 53January 7, 2025 4:33 AM

The crime happened in Arkansas and LE there then (and probably now) could not be trusted to maintain the integrity of a crime scene when they knew the perpetrators and victims. But if there were bites, wouldn't saliva and DNA be preserved and freezed as evidence?

Yeah, I know I'm asking a lot for a Southern state.

by Anonymousreply 54January 7, 2025 5:15 AM

Have there been no reforms since the Bulger murdererers were released and they can go on to keep being aggressive without proving otherwise?

At least Mary Bell's case makes some sense to us because we know details of her parental disenfranchisement and hatred for her. I guess the British public expected a 10 year old to commit suicide to show ultimate remorse in her situation?

Except that remorse, which the best of psychopaths can mimic effectively,

by Anonymousreply 55January 7, 2025 6:17 AM

R21, shooting up a school isn’t the same as a child slowly torturing somebody and then wanting to see the dead body in the casket.

by Anonymousreply 56January 7, 2025 6:18 AM

The UK is woke central. You get a slap on the wrist for everything which is why there are people screaming to bring back the death penalty. They just let these people back out on to the streets and give them new names. It’s sick.

by Anonymousreply 57January 7, 2025 6:19 AM

R57 Fuck off with your woke BS. MOST countries are like this. The ones who aren’t? The US and the Middle Eastern countries. For the most part, their system works, not the US and others. They actually reform whereas the US and others don’t. Their rates of recidivism are far lower than the US and others.

For violent murders and crimes, I don’t care about reforming them. Reform them with far more time in jail. And Jon Venables should never get out of prison after repeatedly breaking the law.

The death penalty is useless and just makes us feel good. There are too many cases where the wrong person is put in prison, so no one the death penalty, It’s not tough; it’s stupid.

by Anonymousreply 58January 7, 2025 12:43 PM

R58 got TRIGGERED

by Anonymousreply 59January 7, 2025 12:50 PM

Just block it r59 and look at its posting content.

by Anonymousreply 60January 7, 2025 12:58 PM

R55 Venables had emotional issues, and had special needs siblings. He showed quite a bit of jealousy towards being “ignored”. Supposedly, Thompson had an abusive father, who ran out on the family 4 years prior.

by Anonymousreply 61January 7, 2025 1:03 PM

Thompson and Venables was a fave among pedos according to True Crime America podcast. There's no proof they were even molested, only pedos had the hots for them. One pedo, a female guard, was having sex with Venables. Sick stuff. Like those serial killer groupies.

by Anonymousreply 62January 7, 2025 3:49 PM

R29 I admire your efforts to discredit me, but I don't know how any of that makes me a liar. I haven't lied about anything.

by Anonymousreply 63January 7, 2025 3:55 PM

r54 the 3 bodies were found submerged in a creek, so no saliva or dna

by Anonymousreply 64January 7, 2025 4:09 PM

[quote] Poor little James went along so trustingly.

Well, apparently, his mother let go of his hand to pay for some items while she was shopping. How long did it take her to pay before she realized her child was missing? Did she file a report? Apparently, the three boys were noticed by several eyewitnesses who noticed little James crying but did nothing to intervene. They were all children! What strange culture the UK has, but they're quick to turn their noses up at Americans.

by Anonymousreply 65January 7, 2025 4:29 PM

38 witnesses saw them, saw the boy hurt and crying, knew the boys should be in school, yet nothing was done. Watching the documentaries it's fascinating how so many of these very young kids ( 6, 7, 8, 9) would skip school for days, roam around town all day and late at night, and it was seen as normal. One cop described them as feral children, but WTF was the police and social services doing? Thompson's mom said she allowed him to stay out until midnight, miss weeks of school because she didn't want social services involved. Well, congratulations cunt! Your child murdered a baby!

There are many areas of the UK like Liverpool. It makes you less racist because these are thug White kids and horrible parents. A lot of them. They act every bit the same as inner city Blacks. It's always about economics and what your normal is. This was normal in Liverpool.

by Anonymousreply 66January 7, 2025 4:52 PM

R63 as curious as it is that some weird anti trans troll would be the only person on the internet to just 'happen' to have the information that one of the offenders was now trans, and to offer zero evidence or proof of that other than 'trust me bro', you also said the below:

[quote] I have no reason to make shit up about a horrible sociopathic child killer

This is a direct lie because, per your own transphobic posting history, you clearly do have a reason to make up nasty things about trans people. It is in your interest. It is not a coincidence that a person like you posted that. As soon as I saw it posted my intuition told me that if I checked your posting history it would be full of anti trans comments and that turned out to be correct. I think you read something to the effect on one of your weird anti trans reddit threads (which was itself a lie, posted by some other weirdo), and reposted it, updating the information to be "my friend interviewed them" to give it that personal touch. It's obvious to everyone here that you're lying through your teeth, but you can keep on keeping on if you choose.

[quote] I haven't lied about anything.

Lastly, and perhaps most depressingly, you're still lying to yourself.

by Anonymousreply 67January 7, 2025 4:54 PM

A social/cultual experiment was done and it revealed Americans were more apt to immediately step in and help strangers who were in distress. The foreigners involved in the "what would you do?" experiment by and large ignored or it took quite a long while for anyone to react.

by Anonymousreply 68January 7, 2025 5:02 PM

R67 Plus, the criminals are in hiding and no one would be given their information to interview them. He even made the mistake of thinking they were in the same unit.

by Anonymousreply 69January 7, 2025 5:05 PM

R67 My friend is a professor at a well-known university. They interviewed them while they were young and in prison, well before they were released under assumed identities. R67 I'm not the poster who said they were at the same prison.

I'm gender-critical and have issues with aspects of trans ideology. I completely admit that and have never suggested otherwise. I also said there were lots of rumours about Venables and Thompson. One of those rumours was that Thompson had transitioned. Another is that he lives in Canada now. A few minutes of your sleuthing would bring up evidence of these rumours.

I haven't lied about anything. Also, I'm not on Reddit as the interface is worse than DL.

by Anonymousreply 70January 7, 2025 5:24 PM

[quote] Also, the one who's not been sent back to prison has transitioned.

You didn’t say there were rumours you said he had transitioned definitively R70. See above, it’s your own words. Are you walking back what you said before?

And again you did ‘suggest otherwise’ since you said you had no interest in making up lies about him being trans, when as proven, you do. Like I said, keep on keeping on weirdo.

by Anonymousreply 71January 7, 2025 5:31 PM

Why would Canada want him?

by Anonymousreply 72January 7, 2025 5:34 PM

R71 Now he's backtracking! I'm going to perma block his lying ass.

by Anonymousreply 73January 7, 2025 5:43 PM

R72 Who said they do? UK has tried to pawn them off on their territories. New Zealand said they could GFO.

by Anonymousreply 74January 7, 2025 5:45 PM

R73 I haven't backtracked on anything.

by Anonymousreply 75January 7, 2025 5:49 PM

R75 then answer my question. Is it rumours or is it definitive? Because you said “he is trans” and now you’re saying “there are rumours online that he is trans”. Which is it?

by Anonymousreply 76January 7, 2025 5:53 PM

This Youtube video is pretty thorough-

I had not thought about this awful case in 30 years. I was only 14-15 when this happened.

It was far worse than I remembered.

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by Anonymousreply 77January 7, 2025 6:18 PM

I think that Eric Smith was just released too. He's the poor, ugly, redhead with deformed ears that killed that toddler near his house and then helped look for him. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with kids!

This is a case I'm following now, I'm wondering if the girl was abused. The dad sure looks like a tweaker and has 9 kids with very trashy names.

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by Anonymousreply 78January 7, 2025 7:28 PM

I thought that David James Smith's 'The Sleep of Reason' book was quite good - even-keel, describes how the two boys were truanting and stealing.. A sense of that no-one cared even if they noticed. I'm British, the same age as Thompson and Venables. My friend and I tried truanting once and it was noticed almost immediately. It's clear that Thompson and Venables didn't have parents who would parent them properly nor were there authorities who would step in to do that. It feels like that they were aimless, bored, sociopathic, and somehow it escalated to killing James.

I've never heard that Thompson has transitioned so I would treat that claim with a big pinch of salt.

As for Venables, it may be deceptive that just because Thompson put on a hard veneer he was seen as the main instigator when it could well have been Venables. Possibly Venables was sexually attracted to James and Venables is the one who is better at being manipulative. In that famous photo, it is Venables who is holding James's hand as he's led away - although I know that doesn't prove anything.

by Anonymousreply 79January 7, 2025 7:51 PM

R79 Thompson is the one who is gay and according to the Daily Mail, now living in Canada with his boyfriend.

by Anonymousreply 80January 7, 2025 7:57 PM

R80 That's what I've heard but trans? That's a new one to me.

Venables being busted TWICE for child sexual abuse imagery since he got out of prison is quite interesting.

by Anonymousreply 81January 7, 2025 8:01 PM

"On 21 June 2010, Venables was charged with possession and distribution of indecent images of children. It was alleged that he had downloaded 57 indecent images of children over a 12-month period to February 2010, and had allowed other people to access the files through a peer-to-peer network.

"The High Court heard that Venables had been arrested on suspicion of affray in September 2008, following a drunken street fight with another man. Late that year, he was cautioned for possession of cocaine.

"On 7 February 2018, Venables pleaded guilty to possession of indecent images of children for a second time. He pleaded guilty via video link to three charges of making indecent images of children, and one of possessing a "paedophile manual", that included advice for would-be child molesters, including instructions on child grooming and evading detection."

by Anonymousreply 82January 7, 2025 8:18 PM

R82 That last part is chilling to the bone. A manual. He was getting ready. He'll kill again if he gets out.

by Anonymousreply 83January 7, 2025 8:26 PM

How much longer on his prison sentence? The "how to" manual should be enough to put him away for quite a long time. I wonder if fellow prisoners have any inkling who he is. Or if he's bragged about his crimes.

by Anonymousreply 84January 7, 2025 8:48 PM

R74 how stupid are you? New Zealand is not a UK territory.

by Anonymousreply 85January 7, 2025 9:14 PM

It’s always those fucking foreigners, isn’t it, R68?

Americans are much kinder to children, except in one of your regular school mass shootings.

by Anonymousreply 86January 7, 2025 9:16 PM

I watched documentaries on this murder, and one thing that I asked myself is how many people do we know who have done something unfathomable, and we have no idea?

These boys must have experienced extreme neglect & abuse in order to murder a toddler, and it’s high time parents are primarily held responsible when their minor child goes on to do murder another air a group of people, such as school shooters, for example.

by Anonymousreply 87January 7, 2025 9:24 PM

Whoa R86, relax, he just said Americans are more apt to step in and help, and I bet that's true.

by Anonymousreply 88January 7, 2025 9:25 PM

[quote]R79 It's clear that Thompson and Venables didn't have parents who would parent them properly nor were there authorities who would step in to do that. It feels like that they were aimless, bored, sociopathic, and somehow it escalated to killing James.

I believe some children are born psychos. It can’t always be traced back to early abuse, or brain trauma.

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by Anonymousreply 89January 7, 2025 9:34 PM

There are a lot of reasons low income people turn violent. One of them was/is lead. Lead paint was used in many low income housing, among other things. Children ate the paint chips, and we all know the lead in water pipes. Very bad. It can lead to low IQ, learning disabilities, and violent tendencies. Also, the strain of being poor can lead to many people taking their anger out on family, while if middle class, they would be the perfect neighbors.

by Anonymousreply 90January 7, 2025 10:26 PM

Were they retarded and violent before they ate paint chips? Because that sounds like a retarded thing to do.

by Anonymousreply 91January 7, 2025 11:46 PM

Weird that the Eric Smith case occurred, what, six or seven months later?

by Anonymousreply 92January 7, 2025 11:48 PM

r65 "What strange culture the UK has... "

Yeh bro, we got our shit together in 'Murica.

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by Anonymousreply 93January 7, 2025 11:50 PM

R91 Lead chips taste sweet. That’s why kids ate them. Plus, it absorbs through the skin.

by Anonymousreply 94January 7, 2025 11:56 PM

[quote]R90 There are a lot of reasons low income people turn violent. One of them was/is lead. Lead paint was used in many low income housing, among other things.

I thought in the past lead paint was used everywhere.

Was it indeed more economical than other paint types?

by Anonymousreply 95January 8, 2025 12:07 AM

r85: I am not r74, but New Zealand is a member of the Commonwealth.

by Anonymousreply 96January 8, 2025 12:09 AM

Being a member of the Commonwealth is not the same as being a UK territory. New Zealand and the UK are sovereign countries and are both members of The Commonwealth. It’s not The British Commonwealth.

by Anonymousreply 97January 8, 2025 12:23 AM

I didn't say it was a territory. I said it was a member of the Commonwealth, r97

by Anonymousreply 98January 8, 2025 12:31 AM

I looked into this case a long time ago and I don't intend to again-once was enough. At the time, I think Thompson was considered the instigator because he was bigger, older and his home life was more *obviously* troubled. But it's pretty clear that Venables was far sicker and likely succeeded in manipulating the police and social workers into thinking he was the more vulnerable boy. Thompson, I believe, was more a product of his circumstances. He has not reoffended. Not an excuse (his crime was heinous) but still. But w/ Venables, these tendencies seem to be.... innate. His desire to brutalize children appears fixed, no matter how much they try to rehabiliate him w/ prison programs, therapists etc.

That's the 'on paper' assessment. But.....there's something else. When researching this case, I looked at their photos and it struck me that while Thompson appeared relatively 'normal'....there was something about Venables that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up- a visceral response.

I feel bad saying this about a child- but he looks demonic to me. It's all in the eyes.

by Anonymousreply 99January 8, 2025 1:32 AM

Some say Venables was so traumatized by the killing it made him into a true monster, whereas Thompson was diagnosed a psychopath while in custody. Venables was not diagnosed one, but, and this is from his psychologists, he had severe PTSD from the experience and maybe he is being self-destructive on purpose? No matter what, Venables is completely broken and cannot be allowed in society.

by Anonymousreply 100January 8, 2025 1:37 AM

That Frontline on the Boys of Afghanistan was unreal. Any updates on the boy, Shafiq, they saved? I looked, but didn’t find anything.

by Anonymousreply 101January 8, 2025 1:39 AM

[QUOTE]Some say Venables was so traumatized by the killing it made him into a true monster, whereas Thompson was diagnosed a psychopath while in custody.

Who are those "some who say?" R100, you sound like a Brit taken over by a MAGAt trying to imitate stupidity and coming out even worse....

Are you a claiming psychiatrist or worse?

And why are you claiming something as untrue as a 10 year old being diagnosed

You are not a credible poster, r100.

by Anonymousreply 102January 8, 2025 2:01 AM

R102 It’s all in the documentaries and cited on Wikipedia with the sources. It’s COMMON KNOWLEDGE you dumbfuck.

by Anonymousreply 103January 8, 2025 2:33 AM

R103 that's not credible though. From the wiki page:

"The (Observer) paper also stated that the Bulger family's lawyers had consulted psychiatric experts in order to present the parole panel with a report that suggested Thompson is an undiagnosed psychopath, citing his lack of remorse during his trial and arrest. That report was ultimately dismissed".

A report from the Bulger family who are not unbiased and who didn't get to interact with Thompson directly either?

by Anonymousreply 104January 8, 2025 2:52 AM

I’m glad I found this. I had seen a documentary where there was evidence authorities withheld a lot of gruesome details about what really happened to baby James. This confirms he was sexually abused before being murdered. His poor mom had to ask the right people a question she didn’t want to know, but knew how sexually deviant both boys were.

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by Anonymousreply 105January 8, 2025 3:24 AM

But you didn't ask if it was credible R104, you asked where he heard it and implied he made it up, it was on the wiki page, whether it's credible is another story.

by Anonymousreply 106January 8, 2025 11:47 AM

R106 I'm a different poster but it's still not an accepted diagnosis. Which is why the report was dismissed.

by Anonymousreply 107January 8, 2025 2:44 PM

R107 That wasn't the issue. Everything that poster said was in the wiki page including Venables psychologists saying he suffered extreme PTSD from the killing. R102 said that poster was making it up, which clearly they weren't.

by Anonymousreply 108January 8, 2025 5:18 PM

Fair enough R107

by Anonymousreply 109January 8, 2025 5:18 PM

R86, calm down, you hysterical twat. I merely cited a sociological study done. Take the faux outrage up with them.

Generally speaking, a knee jerk over-reaction may lend credence to the findings.

by Anonymousreply 110January 8, 2025 5:33 PM

Having not watched any of the documentaries: during their initial interrogations, did one of the boys claim the other was the instigator?

by Anonymousreply 111January 8, 2025 5:43 PM

EEK

by Anonymousreply 112January 8, 2025 5:59 PM

R111 They blamed each other.

by Anonymousreply 113January 8, 2025 6:08 PM

It wasn't until parole time, conveniently, they admitted their roles, but still didn't get into why they did it or fess up to the sexual abuse.

by Anonymousreply 114January 8, 2025 7:10 PM

r114 I imagine they were too young to really grasp their own motivations.

by Anonymousreply 115January 8, 2025 7:40 PM

R115 They knew.

by Anonymousreply 116January 8, 2025 7:58 PM

And you know this how, r116?

by Anonymousreply 117January 8, 2025 8:00 PM

I am watching Detainment now

by Anonymousreply 118January 8, 2025 8:09 PM

I just can’t imagine keeping up with the abuse once the little boy started screaming and crying. I mean, I can see a pair of tweens having sick power fantasies about being evil or satanic. Kids often associate that with power.

But once you start DOING it, doesn’t the reality of it — the fear and pain in the little boy — assert itself?

by Anonymousreply 119January 8, 2025 8:20 PM

R120 And they did it for a long time.

by Anonymousreply 120January 8, 2025 8:55 PM

Detainment was interesting.

So I guess the consensus now is that Venables was the mastermind? It's interesting that he was such a mess during the interview -- crying etc -- while Thompson was stone cold and defiant. Not that means much, but Venables seemed more opportunistic. He knew how to manipulate the adults around him.

by Anonymousreply 121January 8, 2025 9:11 PM

R121, that was more or less the opinion of Gitta Sereny as well, if I remember correctly. She said that on a first assessment Thomson was the cold blooded leader, showed no emotion, etc, but she thought that actually Venables was the one trying to manipulate everyone, even at the time of the trial . She also inte

by Anonymousreply 122January 8, 2025 9:19 PM

They look much different in their school photos than in their mugshots.

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by Anonymousreply 123January 8, 2025 9:20 PM

^she also interviewed both families and while Thomson’s single mother was more obviously the negligent one, she found Venables family more troublesome (i tnhk there were problems with other brother as well).

by Anonymousreply 124January 8, 2025 9:22 PM

Did this case get a lot of media attention in Canada? I remember my mom talking about it when it happened, and I'm wondering how she would have been exposed to it. (We spent part of our summers in Ontario.)

by Anonymousreply 125January 8, 2025 10:03 PM

Venables acted like a typical sociopath/psychopath who gets caught and loses it. Court reporters said he used to do staring contests at them and never looked away.

by Anonymousreply 126January 8, 2025 10:13 PM

Bratty kids get what they deserve.

by Anonymousreply 127January 8, 2025 10:19 PM

R125, as I recall it received a lot of coverage in Canadian news, in English and French.

by Anonymousreply 128January 8, 2025 10:21 PM

It received a lot of attention in Europe as well, at the time it was also used as a discussion over the effects of screen violence, pc games, movies, etc. That and, of course, whether some people /children are born truly evil.

by Anonymousreply 129January 8, 2025 10:43 PM

R129, Yes, the judge inexplicably said this to the court after they were sentenced:

"How it came about that two mentally normal boys, aged ten, and of average intelligence, committed this crime is hard to comprehend. It is not for me to pass judgement on their upbringing, but I suspect that exposure to violent video films may in part be an explanation."

The judge had no evidence for that violent videos were a cause but was just going off the prejudices of the day. I suppose it's easier than focusing on hard-to-solve social issues.

by Anonymousreply 130January 8, 2025 10:50 PM

What always gets me about the "violent video game" argument is that not too long ago, a subset of Americans happily attended lynchings -- and brought their whole families. And, of course, there were public executions in larges stretches of European history.

You cannot tell me that witnessing the torture and murder of a real, living human being would have less of an effect on kids than video games, especially video games in the 1980s/early 1990s.

by Anonymousreply 131January 8, 2025 11:31 PM

Venables went back to Liverpool several times after his first release, despite it being expressly forbidden. He also revealed his true identity to people. He hasn’t stopped torturing James’ parents and family.

by Anonymousreply 132January 9, 2025 4:06 AM

R68, when my parents travelled around the US, my mother was recovering from cancer treatment. In hindsight, it wasn't a great time for them to go, but they have so many stories of complete strangers (Americans) approaching them, noticing my mother wasn't feeling the best, and showering them with kindness. The could not believe how hospitable and caring people were towards them.

by Anonymousreply 133January 9, 2025 4:48 AM

I remember that. And that American kid with red hair and serial killer ears.

by Anonymousreply 134January 9, 2025 8:22 AM

R113 My criminology professor warned us that if we ever commit a crime, we should do it by ourselves.

by Anonymousreply 135January 9, 2025 11:52 AM

Why isn't he held accountable if he's not following the terms of his release, R132? Why do the cops keep letting that garbage shithead slide?

by Anonymousreply 136January 9, 2025 12:03 PM

R136 He’s probably not getting out now. The outrage would be immense. He’s a clear danger to society.

by Anonymousreply 137January 9, 2025 12:07 PM

Good, R137. Some people don't deserve freedom and that guy is obviously one of them.

by Anonymousreply 138January 9, 2025 12:10 PM

Just seen this thread for the first time. I remember this at the time and remember that it was particularly brutal and sadistic. The terror and pain James Bulger died in. So WTF? How in the fuck were either of the murderers released from jail??? Unbelievable. Even though they were 10 when they committed the murder - they can't be let loose in our society. These are two very broken individuals who are always going to be a danger to society. They have to be locked up for life. It's fucking ridiculous to not have them incarcerated.

by Anonymousreply 139January 9, 2025 12:18 PM

I hope he gets shanked this time. He doesn't deserve protective custody or an alias.

by Anonymousreply 140January 9, 2025 12:18 PM

Agree, R140. Best outcome for everyone.

by Anonymousreply 141January 9, 2025 12:24 PM

Thompson was said to be gay and living with his bf of about 10 years. The bf knows the history. Maybe he has transitioned. It would be the perfect disguise(joke) as many people try to out them continuously. Detainment is an amazing short film, its free on youtube. Its only a few years old. The child actors are stunning.

by Anonymousreply 142January 9, 2025 12:29 PM

Where is the article that says Thompson is gay?

It wouldn't surprise me if he and Venables were having sex back then.

by Anonymousreply 143January 9, 2025 2:54 PM

Thompson was the one who showed no remorse whatsoever.

by Anonymousreply 144January 9, 2025 3:27 PM

Both of them were bullies at school according to Smith's book. They routinely stole and committed petty crime so I don't believe that either of them had much of a moral compass. Robert is called Bobby in the book, by the way. He cried several times in interviews and was concerned for his mother. But yes, that's not the same thing as being sorry for having killed James, more sorry about being caught and in trouble.

by Anonymousreply 145January 9, 2025 3:48 PM

Criminals are always/only "sorry" when they're caught by law enforcement. Never "sorry" enough to not commit crimes, never "sorry" enough to not re-offend.

by Anonymousreply 146January 9, 2025 3:54 PM
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