The etiquette of 'Christmas Tipping' is long dead.

Those numbers bear no relationship to reality for a luxury apartment building.

No more tipping, do your job or get another, this is why people are fed up, entitled arrogant people like you, I almost never tip for anything other than sit down and you get 15%, as long as stupid people continue it.

Op I would spit on your face.

0/10

I gave an extra $20 to my barber on 12/23 when I got my hair cut. Otherwise…I can’t fathom it giving any service person a Christmas tip. I don’t exchange gifts with my family or friends during the holiday…what makes service people so special?

Bah! Humbug!

I tipped every doorman in my building (a luxury high rise in Chiago) $50 cash (nine total) and maintenance $20 each (five total). I tipped my hair stylist $100 cash.

I am 41, for reference.

What is a Saturday/Holiday concierge? You work 4 days a month?

I lived in a high-rise for many years - typically spent $500-$700 for Dec staff tips.

Expecting a tip is akin to panhandling. Get a real job. Quit begging.

The trolls have arrived.

Maybe Op talks too much

Customer service people have shot themselves in the foot. Since Covid, everyone is asking for tips and asking for a greater percentage. Coffee shops, online retailers, take out places, even Walmart + (a service I pay extra for) demands tips for their carriers. Some will stand over you, breathing down your neck until you tip appropriately. Waitstaff have taken to exclaiming, "if you can't afford to tip 25%, you can't afford to go out!"

I used to tip everyone at the holidays, starting with Amazon delivery drivers in the week before Christmas. Trash men, postal workers, you name it. Not this year. I am tired of tipping and have given the tip I would have given the OP many times over to all the places that have their hand out now. OP, if you want to be recognized appropriately, start pushing back against all the other service workers demanding tips. It's not your patrons being stingy, it's all the other workers who have stolen your tip by nickel and diming Americans every other day of the year.

127 people for 110 luxury apartments - living large and living alone

[quote] The trolls have arrived.

You’re so proud of being a troll that you feel you need to announce your arrival??

There's still tipping, it's just transferred to stuff like counter service, where we never had to tip, before.

Also, all of this energy & generosity for GoFundMes is really perplexing to me. Fuck that. I'm not donating so that some random person can go on a trip of a lifetime.

That said, the people in OP's building sound truly bereft of generosity.

If you can't include what the full-time concierges were tipped, this rant is worthless. You barely worked at this building and expect the tenants to honor you??

I remember when I was a kid and my mother got her hair done weekly (wash and starch), her hair dresser gave her a gift at Christmas to thank her for the business all year. A bag with all kinds of hair care products and also candies which I got to eat!

How about we tip the service providers and stop all this unnecessary, excessive, bullshit gift-giving among family and friends.

[quote] Now that the 2024 season has come to a close, I can officially say (from my experience) it is dead. My coworkers agree. Tipping service-oriented workers is a thing of the past.

That's all the evidence I need! What you say must be taken as Gospel.

I'll tip you over OP you fat cow

R1 yes they do.

R2 reading comprehension is not your strongest skill.

R3 What made your barber so special ?

R7 Yes, four Saturdays from 7 am - 7 pm. I rotate holidays (worked Thanksgiving and Christmas, not working today (New Year's) or Easter - those are considered 'the four major holidays' which are covered in 12 hour shifts May pick up some Monday holidays during the year (7 am - 3 pm), not sure yet.

R9 Very true - all the trolls who are stingy at Christmas time have responded quickly here. As expected.

R11 As I made it clear in my post, I'm appreciative of what I did get this year. I think I speak on behalf of my coworkers. We've come to the reality that holiday tipping is not what it used to be among us service workers with our tenants - especially as the older tenants have passed away or moved out of the building (to nursing homes, assisted living, or with family). No one is really giving my tips to others (such as restaurant workers) - they are not tipping at all.

R14 VERY TRUE.

R15 This wasn't a rant. But the fact that you interpreted it as such, and end with "You barely worked at this building and expect the tenants to honor you??" exemplifies everything which is wrong in our society these days. Good job in sharing with us who you really are in the world !

R18 Thanks for the compliment, but I was just sharing my experience.

Oh well fuck em

My mom's hairdresser would also give her some freebies. My mom did tip, throughout the year. I'm not sure if she (Mom) tipped at Christmas (hairdresser). Mom did tip the mailman and stuff like that. Hairdressing can be kind of competitive, I guess.

Dear God, the stinginess!

There are people that make my life more pleasant, their efforts are part of what makes things hum along. I tip regularly. I don't give tips at Christmas, I give gifts of cash to these people.

Hair stylist, manicurist, masseur all get a gift equal to the amount of their service. My house cleaner gets her day rate. Dog sitter, garbage collector, recycling collector, mailman, the property manager all get a check.

I am very fortunate that I can afford to do this. When I was younger and strapped for cash I baked cookies, gave bottles of wine, boxes of candy. I made sure that people who served me in some capacity were recognized.

🙄^.

[quote]I don't give tips at Christmas, I give gifts of cash.

I don't understand. When are you giving them cash? If it's at Xmas, then that's a Christmas tip.

I still have to catch the garbage men, otherwise I'm done.

OP, your problem is you're part time. That's why you're getting screwed on tips. I bet the full time doormen got more.

FUCK EM!

R2 is either Faye Dunaway or the late Lauren Bacall

I tip my lead doorman a thousand dollars and for the whole year I receive wonderful, efficient, generous services above and beyond the norm.

Worth it to me, and him.

I tip my housekeeper the same. She's in four days a week and I pay her very well, but why not share?

My dad would always tip the city's garbagemen $20 Christmas week.

^That serviced out house.

R23 god the entitlement and arrogance you have, people like you are complicit in fostering this, go fuck yourself, are you also the cunt going down the line answering people, that is so CUNTASTIC of a straight bitch, you should jump in traffic and be paralyzed but not die.

I tipped the trash guys $20 a piece (there are usually two on the truck) $20 to the FedEx driver and $20 to the postman.

I was asleep when UPS arrived too early so his/her card with the cash is still here. I do this every Christmas

These people work hard. I don't consider it an obligation. They haul stuff away from my driveway or they haul new stuff to my door. They deserve a little extra.

R33 they are paid above minimum wage. Sometimes far above.

I would not expect my clients to give me extra cash at Christmas.

I tip my female barber at Xmas even though she's a Jehovah's Witness and doesn't believe in celebrating holidays. I will be getting a haircut when I get home, and I'll give her a $20 "just for giving me great haircuts." Under that circumstance, she'll take the $.

I didn't catch my (female) mail carrier before I left for my trip, and I didn't want a substitute carrier to get it, so I'll wait until I get back to try to catch her at my mailbox, which is around the corner where I can't see her. I'll give her $20 too.

There's a restaurant that I go to (alone) probably once a month where I extravagantly tip the waitresses because I want them to remember me and take good care of me. Waitstaff at other restaurants just get the regular 15-20%.

But the staff at the hotel I'm in now in Panama City have been so incredibly kind to me I am going to do my best to give every single person who's spent time taking care of me $20. I know that doesn't sound like much to you guys, but when you live on 2K/month, it's a chunk of change.

But I appreciate "the little people." I'm a "little people." And I believe I've read somewhere that poor people give great tips and proportionately give more to charities, etc.

I wish I had a doorman, OP. If you'd been nice to me, I'd have given you $20. But you may be right, because I'm old.

And BTW, I very very rarely put money in a tip jar.

[quote] I tip my lead doorman a thousand dollars and for the whole year I receive wonderful, efficient, generous services above and beyond the norm.

R29, what about the other doormen (the non-leads)? Do you tip them? If so, how much, per doorman?

R31 that serviced your penis

Learning exactly just how much you tipped whom is so, so fascinating. More elaborate endless details, please.

Eh, shaddup.

I tip my garbage man!

I thought it was against USPS policy to tip postal workers.

R41 if it is, they've never told me about it, I've had no complaints

r42

The products which the hairdressers give out at Christmas are sample products sent to them complimentary from the company itself. They send these free to the business so the hairdresser can pass them out free in a gift bag to their clients at Christmas, hoping the client will use them and buy them at the salon on their next visit.

It's a win-win for everyone: The company writes it off as promotion and marketing, the hairdressers get the samples for free and give them away as gifts - so they look kind and generous; the client who will try the products and return to actually make the purchase next time (so the manufacturer and hair salon both win once again).

I think Christmas tipping is more of a NYC thing, but I'm definitely more generous with service workers during this time of year, but I draw the line at the mailman. I couldn't pick my mail guy out of a lineup and all I get is junk mail now. Are you guys still getting real mail?

For those who are asking about the 'full time concierges' at the apartment complex I work in, I need to clarify:

They are salaried employees (not hourly, as the part-timers) and they are not included on the memo list of staff employees passed out at Christmas time, as they are not supposed to receive cash gifts / checks / gift cards or anything else with monetary value attached to it. The same goes for the head of maintenance, full-time maintenance workers, property manager, leasing agent - anyone not being paid hourly is exempt from receiving cash gifts. This is explained very clearly on the memo which goes out to tenants in early December.

If a tenant wants to gift them with a bottle of liquor, box of candy, gift basket, etc. that's fine - but not cash or anything equivalent of cash value. If one of the salaried / full timers take cash (or check or gift card from a tenant and found out, they could lose their job (this happened only once that I recall in the past 7 years I've been there, and the full time employee was new - her first Christmas).

I'm an overly generous tipper around Christmas. I like giving Visa cards. I'm a generous tipper throughout the year. I love tipping and being generous about it. I got that from my dad. He was always like that.

What city, OP/46?

^ *r46

I tip my dental hygienist!

[quote] I think Christmas tipping is more of a NYC thing

No, it's not just NYC.

About once every six weeks or so, I like to hire traveling masseurs who are visiting my area off the RentMasseur site to treat myself to a massage. The timing usually allows me to see the same few guys I usually make the appointment with, and the closer to Christmas (whether it be November / December or January) I give them an extra cash tip - which they appreciate. For the record, I never pay with cash - always Venmo. Easier for both of us. I also text them around Christmas / New Year's to wish them a Happy Holiday / Successful year ahead, and let them know I look forward to their return. They tell me how much they appreciate my business and the thoughtful text and let me know what the travel plan is for the next few months (they always accommodate my schedule, no matter how last-minute it is).

A couple of months ago, my 'usuals' were not around, so I hired a newbie and he was fantastic. Late 20s, sexy as hell, hot body and gave a great massage. A bit on the pricey side, but he was worth it. I included a tip, and paid him with Venmo.

The other day, I texted him to wish him a Merry Christmas / Happy New Year, reminded him of our last appointment and let him know I look forward to his return and will be booking him again when he's in my area. He responded shortly after, said he remembered me, his tentative schedule to return, and thanked me for the Christmas message. A couple of minutes later I received another text from him, saying 'You still have my Venmo. Send me a Christmas gift. I appreciate you.'

WOW - he had nice low-hanging balls when I met him, and now I see how he uses them away from the massage table. I ignored his request.

R49 Boston area.

[quote] I think Christmas tipping is more of a NYC thing

True, in it being something one is supposed to do in that subculture. There are people living elsewhere who also engage in giving money away at Christmas to service workers, but it’s only something they get some kind of pleasure from and is not expected.

[quote] I'm an overly generous tipper around Christmas. I like giving Visa cards. I'm a generous tipper throughout the year. I love tipping and being generous about it.

That’s a form of findom. Have you ever given money to anyone whose handle begins with “Master”? I’m confident you would love it.

R52 / OP, why did that bother you? Aren't you basically complaining about the same thing: lack of tipping?

If you are aware of his low-hanging balls, then I guess he's more than a massage therapist. So, what do you expect.

R56 Try to follow along -

First, I say very clearly in my post: "So for those of you who didn't tip your concierge, masseur, barber, landscaper, snow shoveler, dog groomer, housekeeper, etc. - you have done the right thing. Times have certainly changed, and remembering your 'service' people during the holidays is a thing of the very distant past."

That's not even remotely a complaint.

Second, I never said nor implied I condone the behavior of those service workers who ask for a tip or Christmas gift if one is not offered - like he did. Whatever service he offered me with his low-hangers at the massage table, he was compensated for and generously tipped at the time. To later ask the client for a Christmas gift when the client is sending you wishes for a Merry Christmas ? That's really over-stepping and quite gouache for a self-employed masseur who is building a regular clientele. What did I expect ? I wasn't expecting anything in return, and certainly not that request.

Capice ?

I tip random dogs who let me pet them on the street!

With Venmo!

They always remember my stinky old crotch!

We give about $40 to each of our doormen and mail carrier. We’re usually broke at end of year though so we don’t get around to it til mid January.

I always tip my barber well when I get my haircut ($20 on a $60 cut). Why should I give him extra?

[quote] No more tipping, do your job or get another, this is why people are fed up, entitled arrogant people like you, I almost never tip for anything other than sit down and you get 15%, as long as stupid people continue it.

I am not angry with you, service industry worker. I am angry at your employer who wants me to pay for the product or merchandise AND your services. Those machines with the automatic tipping feature are responsible for consumers' refusal to tip.

The Uberification of everything means young people expect to have people fight to do menial tasks for them for next to no money and no gratuities.

What about “Christmas Topping”?

R63.

It's all out of control, except for me and the Eldergay, he sneaks far too much, but I watch him and bitch loudly, JUST SAY NO!!!!

We tip out super and the porter around 100 bucks each.

My office gives bottles of nice wine to all the building workers, it’s usually like 20 bottles or so. This is NYC

Not everybody drinks wine, though.

[quote]We give about $40 to each of our doormen and mail carrier. We’re usually broke at end of year though so we don’t get around to it til mid January.

$40? Poor people shouldn't refer to themselves in the plural.

The last time I lived in a co-op was about 40 ago, and I gave the desk/door/elevator staff $100 each and $150 for the principal desk person who coordinated staff and had the most interaction with residents. Building maintenance and grounds staff got $75 and $50 (the latter I never saw.) At the time, those figures were good and stood out favorably, especially from some of the dinosaur tenants.

Of course, I would expect to increase those figures considerably for holiday co-op bonuses today. But then co-ops can be a bit unusual in that they have very much a community and shared responsibility, even if among people who simply wants things to run smoothly with privacy and without fuss. The co-op members are likely to know the salaries of each of the building staff, for example, because staff are typically assigned long-term -- there's perhaps more of a sense of direct relation.

But rental buildings, no matter how very expensive, how upscale, and how luxurious, are a bird of another feather. No doubt decades ago rental buildings had holiday tipping customs more akin to those of condos and co-ops, though perhaps less because the connection between resident and staff less direct. But I'll bet their tipping customs were more selective and less widespread. In recent years of every man for himself, it wouldn't surprise me that tipping had become very much of an exception more than a custom, or that the amounts are paltry. Or that the thought of tipping staff even crosses the mind of more than a few of the residents.

No matter how many 'concierge services' and how 'upscale' the rental setting, the habit of tipping service people has waned outside restaurants and bars and takeaway coffee shops. Even the idea of 'service people' has changed -- and not to their benefit at the close of each year. OP's problem is that the tipping custom has all but dried up and that his employer fakes advantage of this, giving only a easily overlooked nod to the holiday tipping custom of yore. If I were OP, I would document the current tips and contrast them with past years or some demonstrable evidence in a sharp decline in number of tippers and a completely negligable tipping income. I think OP has made a similar observation at least once or twice before. The trend is not going to change in his favor. Asking the management company to [quote]boldface[/quote] the plea for tips is not going to make any appreciable difference. Probably not even a letter distributed by the residents association with more of a strong arm plea. Document the problem and ask your employer for an annual holiday bonus calculated at $x per unit, for example, or to raise the salaries of long-term staff at a site by $500 or whatever you can get away with. Pressure on the residents is only going to turn up more ad zip-lock bags of homemade peanut brittle or $5 gift cards or a fiver from some old granny. Sorry, but no one is going to reinstitute some all but forgotten custom of 'remembering our service staff at the holidays.' f working in such a 'luxurious' environment gives you comfort, carry on, but thinking the residents of this joint are going to turn over a leaf and shower you with Ben Franklins is fucking unlikely in the extreme..

Last night, my friend and I went to a brand new Mexican restaurant which opened in my neighborhood the day after Christmas. It's small and cozy inside, seats about 20 people. On the side is the bar, seats about another 10. We had sodas, so I can't say how good / bad the drinks were. The owners are from Mexico, and their food is delicious. The prices are in line for the neighborhood they're in.

Before the waitress brought us the check, she asked if it would be 'cash or card'. We said card. When we got the bill, it appeared higher than what we were expecting. Checking the bill over, I saw why. Aside from the tax and the cost of our food and beverage, there was :

5% added - 'credit card convenience fee' 5% added - 'kitchen appreciation fee' 5% added - 'bartender appreciation fee'

I'm all for tipping good service (which we certainly got), and was ready to tip generously. I understand - but don't necessarily agree - with the CC fee, as this is what every place is doing now (still, 5% is rather high -most places do half of that to cover costs).

But a 5% "Kitchen appreciation fee" ? Since when is the kitchen workers being paid so low they need to work off tips ?

A 5% 'Bartender appreciation fee' ? Isn't the bartender tipped out at the end of the night by the servers, which is why I'm tipping them above 20% , knowing part of this is going to the bar ?

I paid the bill, tipped 25% and told my friend I won't be going there anymore. I'm curious what other reactions will be as more customers try out the new restaurant. The owners need to learn quickly that the majority of the customers (especially in this neighborhood where they're located) won't tolerate these 'extra fees'. If anything, the servers will suffer from smaller tips (I think).

[quote]No matter how many 'concierge services' and how 'upscale' the rental setting, the habit of tipping service people has waned outside restaurants and bars and takeaway coffee shops.

I think what is happening is that too many people have gone the tipping route, and people are feeling overwhelmed by all the tipping. I think I'm a generous tipper, but even I roll my eyes at cashiers who now turn the screen around and ask if you want to add a tip. For what? Ringing me up? Servers, housekeepers, barbers, doormen - jobs like that are tipped jobs. Ringing up my groceries is not a tipping job.

Gave my gardener a decent bottle of wine and my cleaning lady 50 bucks.

Kindness, appreciation and generosity never goes out of style.

The tipping thing has gone nuts. I bought a scarf and checking out had the option to tip the cashier!! Eventually that kind of insanity will destroy the concept of tipping.

In a building of young people, I’m one of the few that tips. It’s a smart investment that gets better service for me.

I’m on your side except for the lack of tipping from the handicapped guests. They’re probably suffering enough with medical bills.

R75 yet they're the most high maintenance.

I tipped my barber at Christmas. My mom tips her cleaning woman.

Give her carfare, a ham, but for God's sake, don't hang around with her!

I wish it were dead. We are walking ATMs here in the northern NJ burbs in mid December. Tip your housecleaner, sure. But also tip your mail carrier, your trash collectors, your separate recycling collectors, your kids’ teachers, the bus aides and bus drivers for your kids’ school buses… it’s gotten out of hand.

We're all tipped out. In fact, we're all resentful that every store guilts us into tipping.

I leave Christmas tipping for the Christians. I give grats on January 2nd.

I gave our cleaning person the amount of one cleaning (minus the tip we'd normally add to that payment).

I gave the mail guy and our landscaper $50.

I would normally have given our gate guard $100 as in previous years (we get lots of deliveries and packages) but our HOA changed companies and the new company is horrible, so a lump of coal for those lazy bitches.

R52 that’s a prostitution ring if I ever heard it

R52 what's his Venmo again?

I gave to the cleaning lady, postman, and garbage pick up men. Good enough.

I’m more concerned about the collapse of etiquette around Christmas topping.

All of you give in and that furthers the grift, you get what you deserve.

The super for my building doesn't live on premises, so hardly shows up except to bag the garbage the night before collection days. The hallways are dirty, the lobby gets cleaned maybe once a month, bulbs stay burnt out in the hallways for weeks, The washers or dryers will sit broken for weeks before anything is done, and this clown leaves a cheap Christmas card under the tenants' doors right after Thanksgiving. To make it all worse, the bitch who owns the building sends out an email in early December, essentially pimping for the clown. She reminds tenants not to forget their "beloved" super, and encourages everyone to be generous. Which means she doesn't pay him shit. This year, I decided enough is enough. I did not tip and I won't in the future.

Oh, the humanity.

How do you all tip garbage men and mail carrier? Do you stay home from work waiting for them and then run out to hand them cash?

I am not tipping workers at the coffee shop (at Christmas-time or at anytime during the year) simply for pouring regular coffee into a mug and then asking "Should I leave some room for cream?"--that I have to pour in myself anyway at the end of the counter.

I give a big tip to my hot Brazilian barber. Only when he does the rubbing of the cock on my arm though.

Give em tiny bottles of whiskey

Are you rent-controlled, R88?

We live in a nice coop on the west side below 23rd street. We follow what we know to be the typical process for Manhattan apt. owners:

There are 9 on staff, from the super down to the junior porter. We tip based on function and how long they’ve worked here. All in, we paid $2000 to the group —super and the most senior doorman getting a better gift.

R90 yes. I take two weeks off from work during this time so am home and can catch them; otherwise i probably wouldn't do it.

They are always very grateful, as I know none of my cheap ass neighbors give them anything.

I rented in a small apartment building with a completely negligent, liar of a super. I conspired with all the other residents not to tip the super.

I heard he was angry but then actually got better as a super.

Why would anyone tip USPS? They can't do the job right, put mail in the wrong boxes all the time.

R98, I live in a small suburban town and the Postal guy knows everyone,

[QUOTE] There are 9 on staff, from the super down to the junior porter. We tip based on function and how long they’ve worked here. All in, we paid $2000 to the group —super and the most senior doorman getting a better gift.

MARY. This post proves only the rich live in Manhattan. You have drop 2 grand on tips to people who are already being paid well to do their jobs.

The world works in mysterious ways R100. All I know is that I’m well taken care of year-round—if I ask for the super yo come by asap, he does. Do the doormen treat me extra well…yes they do. Do I ever worry about changing a filter in the A/C or arranging a chat with a noisy neighbor, no I don’t. They handle it.

2 grand well spent.

Think of it as concierge HOA fee. I’m cool with it.

R100 when we lived in a luxury building in Manhattan this is about what we paid, too. We didn't realize this was customary when we moved in; good thing we only signed a two year lease.

If you pay the tip at year-end and you get great service, what is the evidence that the service would have been different if the money had not been paid? It seems similar to someone claiming that a great, undefeated team only won because the person made sure to wear their lucky socks at every game.

No. Step back and think. In an apt building, even a well-managed building, some get more than others. Some may not care, others do.

If you live in a building for 30 years, you care. You get what you ask for. It’s a system that works.

I know my super’s kids, and my head doorman’s grandkids. I know when my overnight doorman had another baby, and when my weekend doorman had cancer. I know our latest junior porter had been living in shelter for several months.

It is family at the end of the day. They do things for you, and you thank them. Not hard to understand.

I tipped my housekeeping service and my lawn guy $500. Not even a thank you.

So the building sends out notices to NOT tip the "regular" concierge staff or they could lose their jobs and then you're appalled they don't tip a barely part timer???

Go back and read your first post, OP, where you pretty much misinform us all and then go suck on some balls.

Ha, R108. I missed the not unimportant part of the OP being, as you say, 'a barely part timer.'

[quote]I've been a Saturday / Holiday concierge at a very expensive, upscale apartment building since the summer of 2018. This was my 7th Christmas season.

If he works every last Saturday of the year plus 12 holidays, that's only 64 days a year. And he's in a snit because he only received $245 in holiday bonuses. How much are renters supposed to tip the guy who's there only on Saturdays? More than he's getting. But if I worked as the Saturday concierge (no matter how upscale), I shouldn't count on renters to come through every December with fists full of money. It doesn't sound as though the money was raining down 7 Xmases ago. Why is he surprised that his bonus income isn't soaring? Why does he continue to keep tabs on the nice and naughty (those ingrate handicapped!)?

I'd never heard of tipping USPS, lawn guy, etc. until I came to DL. And I'm not gayling. I don't think anyone actually does these things in the real world.

[quote] I'd never heard of tipping USPS, lawn guy, etc. until I came to DL.

The rules created by these people on who to tip are not logical.

Use a condom.

I think they are a bunch of A Gays who were to the manor born, R111. Or else they're just making this shit up.

[quote]If he works every last Saturday of the year plus 12 holidays, that's only 64 days a year. And he's in a snit because he only received $245 in holiday bonuses. How much are renters supposed to tip the guy who's there only on Saturdays? More than he's getting. But if I worked as the Saturday concierge (no matter how upscale), I shouldn't count on renters to come through every December with fists full of money. It doesn't sound as though the money was raining down 7 Xmases ago. Why is he surprised that his bonus income isn't soaring? Why does he continue to keep tabs on the nice and naughty (those ingrate handicapped!)?

Your reading comprehension is off just like the other trolls who invaded this thread.

I never said I was in a snit, or upset, or ungrateful for the $245 - I said just the opposite (but trolls like you and R108 are going to troll). I never said I'm " surprised that my bonus income isn't soaring" but a troll like you is going to troll and interpret this for your pleasure of trolling.

What difference does it make how many hours a week the part-timers put in at the concierge desk ? We're still keeping the services running for the tenants who expect their food to be delivered to their doors, expect their packages delivered to the door, etc. whether it's Saturday, Tuesday, or a Holiday. Services for these tenants don't stop when the full-timers clock out on Friday at 5. That's now how it works in the real world - the weekend crew works just as hard. This kind of comprehension is beyond your grasp.

I would ask you if you only tip waitstaff and bartenders who work full time, and not tip the ones who only work part-time (weekends) but I know the answer - you don't tip anyone at all.

I've overheard many a bartender quietly call someone a cunt for leaving inadequate tip.

R113 to the manner born!

[quote]We're still keeping the services running for the tenants who expect their food to be delivered to their doors, expect their packages delivered to the door, etc. whether it's Saturday, Tuesday, or a Holiday.

And presumably you are paid a fair wage by your employer for these duties which fall under your job description--you're not doing them out of the kindness of your heart. I imagine the tenants who live there pay premium rents or HOA/condo fees with the understanding that ammenities like these concierge services are included in it.

This idea that tips must be given to every person you interact with who does their job without spitting in your face is just too much. Who can afford that?

Servers and bartenders are service industry jobs and are paid well below minimum wage because tips are expected to make up the difference. Are you paid well below minimum wage?

Your last para is 100% incorrect

I'm guessing it died about the same time single people stopped referring to themselves as "I".

"What difference does it make how many hours a week the part-timers put in at the concierge desk ?"

Because if you work one day a week and the full-timers are working five days a week, you should be tipped one-fifth of what they are tipped. If you multiply what you got by five, it would be a better comparator.

You’ll get the tip of my foot in your ass!

[quote]This idea that tips must be given to every person you interact with who does their job without spitting in your face is just too much. Who can afford that?

If you read the OP, you will see where it says 'who can afford that' : Those over 50, apparently. But who's to say those under 50 can't afford it? Who's to say they just don't have the social etiquette to do so ?

But Christmas tripping is alive and well.

[quote]Because if you work one day a week and the full-timers are working five days a week, you should be tipped one-fifth of what they are tipped. If you multiply what you got by five, it would be a better comparator.

Hmmm. I'll try that next time I'm in a restaurant on a weekend, and ask the server if they work full-time or part-time. I learn something new every day here on the DL ! Thanks !

R174, the context is the annual tipping at Christmas, not tipping a waiter once for a one-time service.

R174 = R124

R124 You really need to stop comparing the two jobs. As was mentioned above, servers are paid below minimum wage and rely on tips to make up the difference. The same cannot be said for a "luxury concierge". If you ARE being paid below minimum wage, you need to take this up with your employer.

Customer service ≠ service industry. Polite and helpful interaction with paying customers is part of your job description. Some of those customers will have higher needs than others. They are paying luxury rents and fees with the reasonable expectation that luxury service/amenities are included in those fees.

What r73 said.

[quote] Polite and helpful interaction with paying customers is part of your job description. Some of those customers will have higher needs than others. They are paying luxury rents and fees with the reasonable expectation that luxury service/amenities are included in those fees.

What R73 and R128 have said.

[quote] Kindness, appreciation and generosity never goes out of style.

I wish all service people would take that to heart and treat people accordingly. I like when they are kind and appreciate the job they have.

I tipped my doorman $400 not to tell my roommate about the Dominican orgy I had while she was away.

[quote]What difference does it make how many hours a week the part-timers put in at the concierge desk ?

Because there are only 9 hours a fucking week that the residents have the golden opportunity to take any notice of you? At best, you could expect a fraction of the tips intended for full-time staff (whether pooled or doled out individually.)

[quote]We're still keeping the services running for the tenants who expect their food to be delivered to their doors, expect their packages delivered to the door, etc. whether it's Saturday, Tuesday, or a Holiday. Services for these tenants don't stop when the full-timers clock out on Friday at 5. That's now how it works in the real world - the weekend crew works just as hard. This kind of comprehension is beyond your grasp.

Of course they expect those things. You've told us how very expensive and upscale the joint is. Presumably those services are touted as a reason to live at such a swank address. It's part of the package, built into their rents. And because it's a rental building, very few of your residents are going to be around long enough to see one of your colleague's child born, then 18 years later see the kid off to college. Renters are just not invested in you the way co-op members realize the value of good long term relations with staff whom they usually employ directly. And it's not as though accepting Amazon deliveries take time out of your day from grumbling about the handicapped residents -- that's a fact of life with large buildings that have door or desk service.

[quote]Your reading comprehension is off just like the other trolls who invaded this thread...I never said I was in a snit, or upset, or ungrateful for the $245 - I said just the opposite (but trolls like you and [R108] are going to troll). I never said I'm " surprised that my bonus income isn't soaring" but a troll like you is going to troll and interpret this for your pleasure of trolling.

I never said you used the word 'snit', clearly that was my commentary on your post, or that you said directly that you were ungrateful in as many words. But if not ungrateful, what? What was the point of your longish, churlish post about the demise of Xmas tipping etiquette and your paltry bonus which --as you demonstrate in three paragraphs of formulas, correlates to only $2 from every resident. Not that you're complaining...

Agreed, R130. Giving a lost tourist directions, holding the door for someone, helping a disabled/ elderly person across a busy street, helping a struggling mother with small children get her stroller on the bus--these are all things decent people do every day without expecting compensation. But for some reason in the last few years, there's been this shifting expectation in any customer service job that simply not being a dick constitutes going above and beyond and ought to be handsomely rewarded.

OP claims to not be complaining about the tipping situation, this year.

[quote]I never said you used the word 'snit', clearly that was my commentary on your post, or that you said directly that you were ungrateful in as many words. But if not ungrateful, what? What was the point of your longish, churlish post about the demise of Xmas tipping etiquette and your paltry bonus which --as you demonstrate in three paragraphs of formulas, correlates to only $2 from every resident. Not that you're complaining...

Again, read my OP instead of trolling the thread.

The first paragraph was: "We've had discussions before about the etiquette of Christmas tipping in the service industry (mail carriers, delivery people, concierges, masseurs, housekeepers, etc.). Now that the 2024 season has come to a close, I can officially say (from my experience) it is dead. My coworkers agree. Tipping service-oriented workers is a thing of the past."

The intention is to continue discussing the etiquette of Christmas tipping as we have done in the past. Since you obviously don't tip workers in the service industry ever, you decided to defend your selfish behavior and try and twist what I originally said - again and again throughout the thread.

If you don't believe in generosity towards others, if you believe workers in the service industry don't deserve any gratuity, or if you're in a financial position where you don't have the extra money to tip those in the service industry, so be it. However, there are many on this thread who don't see it that way and behave differently.

Have a prosperous new year.

R120 is a fucking idiot.

R136 Yes, that's obvious to everyone (except the trolls here).

Here’s a tip, OP: If you want better gratuities, stop referring to disabled people as “handicapped,” etc.

Maybe your staff would benefit from some sensitivity training.

"What difference does it make how many hours a week the part-timers put in at the concierge desk ? "

I don't understand why the OP thinks their tip shouldn't reflect the amount of time they put in per week. Should the concierge who fills in for an hour a week get the same tip as someone who works 40 hours a week? The full timer has "kept the services running" 40 times as much as the one-hour part timer.

Yeah, I would tip the full-timers more $ than the part-timers. The full-timers are there ... full-time. They're arguably doing more stuff for you.

You’re tipping, in one sense, for what they have done above and beyond their general duties. If a weekend doorman or junior porter was more helpful during the year, I’d adjust accordingly. And vice-versa.

New York. NY

[quote] above and beyond their general duties.

When people write that, I never see them list out examples of what is “above and beyond”. I seriously would like to know what people are putting under that label. I’ve often wondered that when people write about double tipping on cruises. My assumption has been that some people’s standards annd expectations are set low, and they believe that something that should be part of a person’s job is actually “above and beyond”.

Part of a person’s job is to handle unusual situations and provide service in situations that are not routine. Just because a service is not something the worker does daily or on a routine basis that doesn’t mean it’s not part of their job, so not “above and beyond”.

R142 don’t be dense…there’s plenty of examples even you can comprehend…

See R102

R101 corrected^

R144, look again. R101 didn’t write “above and beyond” in that reply. I’m explicitly and specifically asking when people write “above and beyond”, what are the acts they are labeling as that.

Playing the fool doesn’t suit you. You can stop. Anyone who lives in a NYC building with a full staff knows how it works. You’re boring us.

The more OP shows himself, the more surprised I am that he gets any tips at all.

OP is just awful

above & beyond means sex