Reagan Team Negotiated for Iran to Keep American Hostages until after Election

Another source explaining the new evidence, including a death bed confession

We know why. Republicans think the end (winning) justifies the means, borrowing their ethics from Lenin.

Americans have willful amnesia.

Note the re-election of Trump

R3 - it's not amnesia if it wasn't reported on fully. A lot of people know about this, but a huge majority do not.

Then there's Iran-Contra where they somehow turned it around to be some patriotic move with Oliver North.

Media is complicit in feeding right-wing lies.

It’s not reported fully because the media has moved on and knows Americans don’t care

r4, people discussed this in this 1980s

It's important people realize that since the 1960s the American right has always viewed American liberals, not Soviets, Chinese, Muslims, Russians, etc. as their main enemy. If you don't understand that, you don't understand anything.

This was so obvious at the time and the American media played along with it. Republicans have always denied this and feigned disbelief - “No, no, it was the Iranian terrorists that did it, they hated Jimmy Carter!”

Nixon did the same thing with Vietnam, negotiating behind the U.S. government’s back. I’m sure it’ll eventually emerge that the Republicans had something to do with 9/11, at the very least allowing if not encouraging it to happen.

The GOP are the biggest enemy to the U.S. The don’t want to do anything for the country, they just want to leverage power for themselves.

And that's another thing. Liberals act stupid when theorizing that Republicans wanted a mideast war and that would have been their motive for 9.11. What they wanted was the PATRIOT ACT. They have long believed that the technology to fool ALL the people ALL the time is right around the corner, a necessary thing when your party only serves the richest 1% and the military caste; and the PATRIOT ACT helped them achieve this goal along with unchecks private voting companes (HELP AMERICA VOTE ACT) and other such nonsense.

We need revolution, it's coming bitches.

It is interesting that the truth came out and no one cared. Of course the truth was exactly what liberals were saying when it all went down; I recall vividly the discussions I had with conservative friends (and their parents), saying that Reagan colluded with the Iranians to defeat Carter, and they called me a conspiracy theorist and full of shit. But here we are, living through essentially Reagan 2 on steroids with Trump, and when you point out that there is a common throughline from Reagan's illegitimate victory in 1980 to Trump's in 2024 — the Heritage Foundation — all you get are blank stares and accusations of being a conspiracy theorist.

Bottom line, as Stuart Stevens entitled his book, [italic]It Was All a Lie.[/italic]

Oh god. Not this again.

And President Carter volunteered to go inside of a nuclear reactor to repair a damaged piece

Most Americans don't remember (or could care less) about something that happened 2 weeks ago (remember the drones invading New Jersey?)

Talking about what Republicans did 40 years ago-you might as well be talking about the Roman Empire.

We're living through Network, the Matrix, and Idiocracy.

Americans don't care because they have no moral compass. Despite being notorious bible-banging CHRISTIANS.

I don't know why some of you still live here. Tell me a better country with a more accurate moral compass.

And ratted out his colleagues as communist during the red scare. White.Trash.

[Quote] Yet, when this news was released in the last few years, it landed with a thud. No one seemed to care. Why?

We live in an age in which a losing presidential candidate incited a mob to take Congress hostage until they declared him the winner anyway. Then that same guy was chosen to be president again.

What you’re citing is small potatoes by comparison.

Nixon ➡ Reagan ➡ MAGAT SKUM.

Each maga iteration is worse than the last

This was common knowledge to many since 1981. Sabotaging the safety of America and Americans to further one's political agenda, this is what Republicans have been doing since at least Nixon. In addition, a few of the aircraft that were used in the failed attempt to rescue to hostages was also an inside sabotage job. The last Republican president of any decency was Eisenhower. That was over 60 years ago.

Uncommon knowledge. "Reagan Republicans" are quick to identify as such to differentiate themselves from maga.

R20 & others are correct: this strategy goes back to Nixon and Kissinger undercutting LBJ over Viet Nam,

So is the president really the most powerful person on Earth or nah?

It’s always something with you people outside of our gated communities

The words ``I don't remember' or their equivalents occurred at least 124 times in his eight hours of testimony. The lapses in memory ranged from the identity of Rep. Lee Hamilton, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee during several of the key years of Reagan's presidency, to the central conclusions of the Tower Commission, which Reagan appointed to investigate the Iran-contra affair

Republicans, Republicanning

Grifters grifting

I think we knew this years ago. Old news.

How DARE you accuse my Ronny of this! Now watch me suck this dick.

Grifting and deep throating, wholesome wholesale whoring

Holding back American hostages for a photo opportunity = Reagan Republicans

Selling arms to a middle eastern terrorist org to use the proceeds to fund a Latin American terrorist org= Reagan Republicans

Ignore the AIDS crisis for years= Reagan Republicans

Ignore the COVID19 infection = MAGA

BEARKING!

I know I'm an old woman and my memory isn't as good as it used to be, but I swear that almost everybody knew this when it happened. I mean, I was in my early 20s then and I knew it. People talked about it.

For example, 20 years from now, if it came out that the Orange Maniac planned his own "assassination attempt," and the young man who fired the shot and was killed afterwards was considered as simple collateral damage, would this surprise anyone? No, of course not. We can't prove it now, but there are people who know this in their bones.

Same thing here. Almost.

Ask Reagan Republicans if they are aware the Reagan administration negotiated to have American hostages held back from release.

You keep stating this is common knowledge.

It isn't.

Back when this happened my dad told me that's what Reagan did. He was just disgusted by that. I don't know how he knew that, but he couldn't stand Reagan.

It was rumored back then but there wasn’t any smoking gun.

Now we have confessions

The truth always comes out. Always

your point, r39?

Reagan was a piece of shit and yet the country deifies him

I'm old and I knew about it. I even remember some Iranian saying "we did this on purpose because we don't like Carter" (well maybe not in those words)

The whole incident sticks in my mind because I was working on a Christmas tape (cassette) and I was watching "Meet Me in St. Louis" so I could tape the Judy version off the movie.

Just at the moment she was about to start singing "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" instead I heard "We Interrupt This Program". They chose that exact moment to release the hostages.

I wasn't happy about that after setting up my recorder etc. I was probably more upset than Carter right then.

It was super obvious at the time to anyone with eyes.

Selective memory is part of the reason why we are in the process of waving goodbye to American democracy.

R36? Are you doing a survey? Because my 88 y.o. father would know. His S.O. would know. My (non-college-educated) sister would know. Even my Trumpy neighbors who were adults during the Reagan years probably know.

Try asking people who were adults when Reagan was president. I bet they'll tell you they knew.

I don't know why you are insisting a scandal of this magnitude was widely known and reported.

Reagan is revered as a great Republican president, the last great 1.

[quote] Try asking people who were adults when Reagan was president. I bet they'll tell you they knew.

I was 10 and **I** knew.

[quote] Reagan is revered as a great Republican president, the last great 1.

He fucking destroyed America.

R10 then friend your days are surely numbered. You had a good run while it lasted.

America might be over to your fevered delight, but no one is immigrating to Russia or India.

We don't want to learn your horrible languages, eat your disgusting foods or fuck you.

[quote]Reagan is revered as a great Republican president

He is [italic]now.[/italic]

It's all relative.

Truly outstanding people on this thread. Most people forget conversations they had two weeks ago, we have many that remember exact insights and conversations from 30 and 40 years ago.

Some would say they are just making up shit. I say amazing memories

He won two terms based on REAGANOMICS and a booming 80s economy, am I living in an alternate reality.

He won based on being tough on terrorism compared to a weak, liberal peanut farmer who had solar panels installed in the white house.

And Bush was the third term.

Well, and let’s not overlook the fact that the common thread here is what we now call White Christian Nationalists - Reagan was the first to court their votes explicitly and Trump wouldn’t be anywhere without them.

Of course, ironically, they’re they most godless, immoral and unethical voters ever.

He sold out the middle class, R53. Lowered the tax rates for the rich. Only an idiot would say “Reaganomics”. “Trickle down economics,” “supply-side economics,” or as Bush 41 called it “voodoo economics,” it’s all the same - bullshit economics.

All tax cuts for the rich has done is gut the middle class, widened the income gap, created more billionaires and destroyed our democracy.

What is your problem. Do you think I made up the term Reaganomics. Do you think I'm making up the fact the 1980s are perceived as prosperous despite the economic crash in 87. Bush Sr won a third term for the Reagan administration based on the perception of a booming economy.

OP, if you haven't seen it already, highly recommend the Showtime docuseries 'The Reagans' that came out during the early days of the pandemic. I think if it were on Netflix or Max it would have gotten more attention. It's a fascinating look behind the curtain of their awful administration and the terrible legacy they left behind. What makes it especially interesting is that it was made after both Ron and Nancy were long dead (obvs), but features very candid interviews with basically every living member of their administration -- and they don't hold back.

Everyone knew it. It was not much of a secret they just didn't have the evidence.

It turns out all the gossip Kitty Kelly was repeating back then is true.

There is no mention in this interview of the Reagan administration negotiating with terrorists to arrange a photo op. If this was widely known it was not widely reported or discussed.

R56, you’re an amateur.

You are a contrarian with nothing to add of value to this conversation.

R56 are you just a stupid fucking asshole? Go to Breitbart with your fuckery and bullshit.

His cutting taxes for the rich led right to major recessions, including one that killed Bush’s chance of getting re-elected.

And then Reagan approved an arms for hostages deal for another set of American hostages in Lebanon. But he didn’t remember….

[quote]It turns out all the gossip Kitty Kelly was repeating back then is true. There is no mention in this interview of the Reagan administration negotiating with terrorists to arrange a photo op. If this was widely known it was not widely reported or discussed.

So because [italic]Kitty Kelly[/italic], of all people, didn't report it, it wasn't widely known?

You're a hoot, R59. Keep 'em comin'.

Imagine if Carter had been POTUS during the early years of AIDS? It would have been handled in an efficient and humane manner.

You could post a link to something that substantiated your assertion "everyone" knew the Reagan Administration negotiated with the terrorists to keep American hostages in captivity until AFTER Reagan was inaugurated in 81.

But you won't.

[quote] I know I'm an old woman and my memory isn't as good as it used to be, but I swear that almost everybody knew this when it happened.

That’s seems very similar to everyone today “knowing” that the moon landing was fake, or in previous generations “knowing” that a shot came from the Grassy Knoll.

Instead you assert your dad knew this and therefore if your idiotic father knew, "everyone knew".

No kidding, huh!?

You are fucking liar.

This tracks for magats.

Magats lie about EVERYTHING and you won't stop lying.

It's not landing because conservatives have been characterizing it as a conspiracy theory for over four decades (It 𝑖𝑠 a conspiracy, just not a bullshit unsupported theory. Conspiracies sometimes really happen.) I guarantee the majority reaction to this story is "what? This conspiracy shit again? Yawn."

The election shenanigans were just the beginning of the evil under Reagan/Bush, and it's astonishing what's related to what. Remember the Vatican Banking scandal, often associated with the maybe/maybe not assassination of Pope John Paul I? That money was funneled to Nicaragua by the CIA under Reagan, used to fund the 𝐂𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐬 (far right mercenary militias which used terrorism and murder to overthrow the political self-determination of Central and South American countries). Because Congress holds the purse strings and requires accountability, Reagan's CIA sought secret methods of funding his covert ideological wars, including illegal drug trafficking and weapons sales.

No one cares what happened 40 years ago. Half the people who were alive then are dead and the other half wasn’t even born

I don’t remember how I learned it but yes, I knew that the Iranians intentionally didn’t release the hostages while Carter was still president. I also read that Reagan Alzheimer’s was apparent before he left office; it was an article in VF. He basically disappeared from public life after his term ended. His reputation wasn’t revived until W was elected.

No one cares because it’s quaint by today’s MAGA party standards. No one cares because it’s unimaginable that any contemporary Republican presidential candidate would *not* do this if given the opportunity.

I suspect the next 4 years are going to be shocking for many.

-Suspicious Mind

Somehow I think it landed with a thud because so many Americans voted for Reagan and in a sense they're guilty of ignoring what was pretty obvious, and they know it.

...or maybe it's just Reagan's "teflon presidency" still in action.

R68 I was 21 and I figured it out at the time. It was pretty obvious.

It was reported back then, pretty extensively. The rights response was either, "bullshit!" or "So What?". Not much different to how the right responds to Trump and MAGA politicians recent shenanigans. Deception, false accusations, illegal activities are considered a SKILL by MAGAs, just like back then.

R80 How was it "reported extensively?"

I wonder if any of the former hostages could sue someone over this.

Apparently, they were screwed out of money they were supposed to get, and many are still waiting.

The Republican party is a criminal gang that needs to be made illegal.

Cocksucker Nancy was making a lot of the decisions with the help of her astrologer because Ronny was jelly brained with Alzheimer's. I don't want to ever hear Republicans talk about Joe Bidrn being senile after what went on with Reagan.

[quote]I don't want to ever hear Republicans talk about Joe Bidrn being senile after what went on with Reagan.

There is a difference. Reagan gave a public announcement after he left office that he had Alzheimer's. Biden won't admit any cognitive decline and believes he would have won in November. If Biden will confess that he is impaired, then that will make them even on that point.

[quote]R85: There is a difference. Reagan gave a public announcement after he left office that he had Alzheimer's. Biden won't admit any cognitive decline and believes he would have won in November. If Biden will confess that he is impaired, then that will make them even on that point.

Another critical difference would be that Reagan was examined and found to have Alzheimer's. Biden hasn't had that kind of an examination. Up to now it's just been the assessment of millions of armchair spectators making the claim based upon their negative impressions of a couple of public appearances, reinforced by a tidal wave of social media bullshit with which they're bandwagoning. People are incredibly susceptible to suggestion, especially when they're picking it up from the small screen.

Basically, social media overthrew Biden's candidacy.

This old, old news but I'm glad it's being talked about again. Shows what an asshole Reagan really was. He was willing to sacrifice hostage Americans' freedom to win an election. PLUS, he was playing this out with Iran. He was a turd and I hope history shows him as one.

This wasn't and isn't widely known. This scandal is being conflated with the Iran/ Contra scandal which involved a federal hearing and Reagan developing the, " I don't recall" dementia defense to cover his ass.

R66 exactly what would have been different in your opinion? People including gay and bi men and the rest of the country were terrified? The 100,000s of gay and bi men would have still have died.

Would carter being president have led to condoms and glove use for all in the fall of 1981?

[quote]R88: This wasn't and isn't widely known. This scandal is being conflated with the Iran/ Contra scandal which involved a federal hearing and Reagan developing the, " I don't recall" dementia defense to cover his ass.

I myself was aware of the 'October Surprise' claim not long after Reagan's election, and in 1981, being seventeen, I was pretty much apolitical, with little interest in such matters. It was available to be known to anyone who wasn't actively engaged in ignoring/dismissing it, if for no other reason than that Republicans themselves were repeatedly, publicly talking about it. But my own anecdotal testimony doesn't count.

Your 'Fawn Hall' offers nothing of relevance to what you're saying.

But here's an excerpt from an article which is relevant:

[quote]But Unger also looks forward, arguing that the October surprise of 1980 “was really the origin story for Iran-Contra”, the huge Reagan-era scandal over arms sales to Tehran to fund rightwing rebels in Nicaragua that “didn’t start in 1984 as most Americans thought, it started in 1980 when the Republicans weren’t even in power, but they were secretly sending weapons to Iran through Israel.

It wasn't falsely "being conflated with the Iran/Contra scandal; it was part and parcel of it.

AIDS, first identified as GRID, (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency) was ignored as a public health crisis by the Reagan administration because the first victims were gay men.

In 1986, Guinea worm disease afflicted 3.5 million people every year in 21 African and Asian countries. Disease incidence has since been reduced by 99.99%, to just 14 "provisional" human cases.

R91 I knew workers involved in grid hiv work months before that first MMWR came out. All of those I knew were federal workers.

And we knew because of the lab work how to prevent infection in 1982.

What Dutch should have said in the summer of 1981 or early winter 1982 is this:

Close the baths and other sex clubs for gay men who are fucking each other to death. Wear condoms wear gloves no barebacking and no bare hands and arms nightly being shoved up another man’s ass.

You straights can pretty much relax unless you need to use the blood supply. And that we are going to make really safe.

That was exactly the message that should have come from the White House.

I spent a lot of time in the baths back then. Reagan was not the main problem that lead to deaths of 100,000s of gay and bi men most who were infected after we knew how to prevent the infection...

R93, Reagan was a huge problem because, until he mentioned it, there wasn’t any sort of mass federal response against it. The federal government generally ignored it or joked about it

Because Americans are the stupidest people on the planet. That’s why.

lol @ the Reagan defender saying that Reaganomics were anything more than the beginning of the end for the American middle-class. Yeah, the top half of the middle-class initially felt that there was $$$ everywhere and maybe had a better choice of jobs/business opportunities, but when Reagan left office, the country had a massive deficit, and social spending had been gutted. It was an upward transfer of wealth that allowed corporate elites more control than they ever should have had, and paved the way for the entrenchment of the neoliberal order.

"That was exactly the message that should have come from the White House."

Yet, no message of any value came out of the White House.

R97 plenty of sound advice came out of CDC. And state and local health depts. And the gay press. Tons of it. Gay men were not sitting around in 1982 wishing Reagan would say something about AIDS. No one was. And in 1983 we knew how to prevent infection.

The govt giving advice and people taking advice are often not at all close.

For instance the CDC advice today is for gay men to use condoms.

Is anyone going to answer my question or not at r23. If this is true than the sitting US president is not the most powerful man on Earth.

[quote]This wasn't and isn't widely known. This scandal is being conflated with the Iran/ Contra scandal which involved a federal hearing and Reagan developing the, " I don't recall" dementia defense

it was talked about in the 1980s, but it seems like a lot of people HERE are suffering from dementia

R98, you can think whatever you want, but the government has a duty to engage in epidemiological study and message on it effectively. And it's not like only gay men got AIDS---by 1983, junkies were getting it, too. If everyone was fully aware of how contraction could be prevented, then why did the spread rate continue to go up? It seems like it only went down after the government invested more time and resources into publicly messaging on it.

Also, the Reagan admin blocked research and the development of drug treatment. You can't deny that.

R101 and CDC was doing epi studies on GRID before the country ever heard of GRID. Saying Reagan did not talk about GRID, fisting, gangbangs in the tubs, or much else about the issue is true. But I never heard from a legit source that the admin actively blocked AIDS research or drugs for treatment.

And today gay men still lead the US in new Dx of HIV. Reagan has been dead and buried for ages.

The federal government didn't care about a disease that affected gays and junkies.

If you want to feel your skin crawl, look at comments by Sen Jesse Helms and how he tried desperately to stop the Ryan White Bill.

[quote] Saying Reagan did not talk about GRID, fisting, gangbangs in the tubs, or much else about the issue is true. But I never heard from a legit source that the admin actively blocked AIDS research or drugs for treatment.

Reagan just needed to acknowledge AIDS and the federal government would have gotten the message that it was a priority. He didn't.

Reagan only mentioned it in 1985. The Ryan White Bill passed in 1990. The effective anti-retrovirals became available in 1996.

[quote] And today gay men still lead the US in new Dx of HIV.

Not sure what your point is.

There's tons of funding and research into breast cancer but people still get it and die from it.

We saw how an epidemic affecting, mainly, straight people--COVID--was handled. Response was immediate. All hands on deck. Messaging was constant.

Compare that to how HIV was handled.

Thank goodness Mpox occurred during a Dem administration. I can't imagine what the response would have been under a GOP administration

Right. GOP administrations are disasters

R106 under this admin. An aids or monkeypox like outbreak that is seen to impact or potentially impact the 93%+ might be met with something we have not seen since that great Dem President FDR.

And you know what he did to a population he thought might pose a risk to the majority.?

Camps for US citizens and other legals. And if online hook up forums are found to play a role in the epidemic spread I know what the John Snows out there will think.

I think the AIDS crisis scared the shit out of Nancy considering her sexual past.

I looked up Jesse Helms and found the website for the Jesse Helms Center.

I love the section on "Setting the Record Straight" that tries to whitewash all his racism.

You may not realize but Helms was never a part of any admin and certainly not Reagan’s.

R111, Jesse Helms was the Senator from South Carolina during the Reagan Administration and a supporter and collaborator

As R111points out so well Helms was not a member of Reagan’s admin but was a senator. A completely different branch of govt. I know he was a senator because he thought the people I worked with and myself were the Devil. And every year he tried his best to kill us.

Jesse Helms fought against HIV research and treatment funding.

"Helms says people with AIDS acquired the disease as the result of engaging in "deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct" according to the newspaper interview."

Sorry credit where credit is due

As R112 points out so well

[quote] As R111 points out so well Helms was not a member of Reagan’s admin but was a senator. A completely different branch of govt.

Yes, a different branch of government but can be very dangerous when it lines up ideologically with the president

R116 Don't we know it? We can't move forward because the different branches can't get over their petty differences.

Nope. This scandal was unknown which is why magats are here attempting to make light of it and the fact the Reagan administration fumbled the response to the AIDS crisis.

Jesse helms would be welcomed with open arms into today’s MAGAts empire

R103. Yeah. But miraculously, Bush and Bono (of U2) helped to change Helms mind and see global AIDS treatment policy as the Christian thing to do.

"An aids or monkeypox like outbreak that is seen to impact or potentially impact the 93%+ might be met with something we have not seen since that great Dem President FDR.

And you know what he did to a population he thought might pose a risk to the majority.?

Camps for US citizens and other legals. And if online hook up forums are found to play a role in the epidemic spread I know what the John Snows out there will think."

Pretty funny that you're trying to imply that a Dem president would have put gays in internment camps because they existed for Japanese under FDR. As id Republicans weren't on board, and don't actively defend WWII camps now.

Also:

R121 no I stated just the opposite. I was comparing the fact that camps was provided for citizens of the US seen as a risk to the majority under a Dem potus and what I would expect to see if an epidemic like aids or monkeypox etc happens under this admin that scares the majority..

Previous dem admins , especially the SG and CDC have always been very protective of the gay community .

My bad, r122

Republicans were on board, especially Earl Warren, republican governor of California

^ America was on board. As they will be the next time camps are ordered , for whatever population. because you win the Hearts and Minds and Fears first then camps become the solution.

The Warren Court. Those were the fucking days. No one alive today will live long enough to see a liberal court like the Warren Court.

[Quote] Yeah. But miraculously, Bush and Bono (of U2) helped to change Helms mind and see global AIDS treatment policy as the Christian thing to do.

He was willing to vote to treat AIDS globally because it’s wasn’t seen as a gay disease in the rest of the world. He worked hard to deny treatment to American gays with AIDS

[Quote] As if Republicans weren't on board, and don't actively defend WWII camps now.

And during the McCarthy era, the GOP pushed to fix up those very camps to house anyone considered a communist. They weren’t used ultimately because McCarthy came tumbling down off his perch

I thought we knew that at the time.

R128, people only guess or heard rumors

We now have deathbed confessions to verify it

R129 thanks. Those who insist this is common knowledge are lying.

R127 not officially by the US govt “as far as I know “ but camps were certainly being discussed in 1982 in the country as far as HIV AIDS.

AIDS did not just terrify the gay male community and IV drug users and those who depended on the blood supply but it terrified the country until the majority realized HIV AIDS was a disease of the high risk.

[quote]R130: Those who insist this is common knowledge are lying.

Absolute verification is recent. But suspicions and accusations were present from the beginning (as the PBS article's author confirms, "Almost from the moment Iran freed the U.S. hostages in 1981, just minutes after President Ronald Reagan took the oath of office, there have been suspicions about a deal between the Reagan campaign and Iran").

And that suspicion has never let up; it's the reason the expression "October Surprise" has become a permanent part of the political dialectic. So yes, it was commonly known and discussed, and that has never ceased to be the case. I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing by attempting to call that into question. Now that's it's solidly verified, do you believe that you can diminish its impact by trying to sell the notion that nobody ever knew about it? What is this, more potatoes, or rubles?

Just hang it up already.

R86 "A couple" of public appearances? No, either you're being dumb on purpose or you (like most people) only get news for a few minutes a day from mainstream media, which covered this up. I've seen many instances of Biden confused, walking offstage or out of newsrooms the wrong way, being unable to complete thoughts...I mean perceptive people could pick this up in 2019 at times during his often homebound and online presidential campaign.

[quote]R133: 𝐼'𝑣𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑒𝑛 many instances of Biden confused, walking offstage or out of newsrooms the wrong way, being unable to complete thoughts...I mean perceptive people could pick this up in 2019 at times during his often homebound and online presidential campaign.

Your claims to have "seen" something don't count, R133.

Troll better.

An infirm President Biden is a disgrace and conspiracy against the American people.

The Reagan Administration contacting the terrorists and telling terrorists to hold onto the hostages until after Reagan is inaugurated, is no big deal because everyone knew about this scandal and if you are just hearing about this now, you just need to get over it because it happened so long ago.

R134 Then your claims of having seen nothing don't count, either.

I've watched a lot of alternative news media and they showed these clips frequently. Why are you still in denial about something so obvious? Just unable to accept the truth?

Infirm. President. Biden.

Reagan is not Biden. Biden is not Reagan. That was 40 or 50 years ago. This is now.

[quote]R136: Then your claims of having seen nothing don't count, either.

Witty, but I didn't make such a claim at R86.

[quote]I've watched a lot of alternative news media and they showed these clips frequently.

Mmm-hmm. That would be the "social media bullshit" to which I referred, accompanied by the propaganda narrative instructing viewers what to think about what they're viewing.

If you really want to score points against Biden, then let's have the results of his professional medical examination. Because the crap you're pushing just won't do.

Bruce Springsteen complained about this years ago and was ridiculed as a conspiracy theorist. I figured this one was probably true because of the all-too-convenient timing, but I'm glad to have some confirmation. Anyone claiming we already knew this and that it's unimportant didn't live through it or is now lying. It was treason.

I was a freshman in college at the time of the Iranian hostage crisis. My poli-sci professor who was well connected with people in the know in Washington DC told me on the side at the time that it was well known that the hostages were not only being held to effect the outcome of the election, but also until after the inauguration of Reagan to give him the political "win".