If the Academy knows what’s good for them…

The Academy doesn’t know that America doesn’t give two fucks about them then.

If Wicked wins in the actor roles, we'll know that the Academy is broken and only going for the popular vote, not on merit.

R1 you say that but when Denzel and Halle won in 2002 it was a much needed feel-good booster following 9/11 (admittedly the Oscar’s were far more relevant and massive back then).

R2 well they proved that when Jennifer Lawrence won for an, at best, ‘meh’ performance. Cynthia acted circles around her in this part.

Wicked won’t win anything. Nosferatu will take it all. Wicked might win tech awards but that’s it.

[quote]If Wicked wins in the actor roles, we'll know that the Academy is broken and only going for the popular vote, not on merit.

Horseshit, Erivo and Grande gave great awarding winning performances.

OP is a moron.

Daniel Craig or Timmy Chalamet.

THAT'S IT.

r6 - may I ask your age?

R7 OP here and to be called a moron by you is a compliment as I don’t wanna be anything like you or liked by you.

OP - may I ask your age?

R5, Dune, Part 2 said wait one fucking minute.

[quote] If the Academy knows what’s good for them…

Or WHAT?

Please, begone! Before someone drops a house on you too!

Ding, dong, WOKE and DEI are dead!

Clearly, you weren't paying attention to the election results.

R10 I’m 38

R12: MAGA Bitch!

Fuck you OP, you know NOTHING! Trump will sign an executive order so that the Oscar’s will now be known as the Trumpies, as it always should’ve been. He’ll bring back the good old days when white, Christian and STRAIGHT actors win these awards only. Quite right too.

[quote]What better ‘fuck you’ to MAGA and call for inclusiveness than to award two black queer actors

No MAGAs are watching this shit.

OP

Barely disguised fact

Hollywood hates gay people and POC almost as much as MAGA

Stop looking for Hollywood to save you from MAGA. No one will save you. Hollywood fundraisers kept Biden in the race because he let Israel do whatever it wanted in exchange for their campaign contributions.

For fucks sake

R17 OP here, even if that were true they have their public image to uphold of being the home of inclusion and acceptance so if they know what’s good for their future and relevance this is the outcome they need.

OP doesn't realize that people stopped giving a shit about WOKE.

No one cares.

Academy voters won't be guilt-tripped and bullied into voting for Colman Domingo and Cynthia Erivo.

We're going back to MERIT based awards.

Let me tell you what is wrong with OP/R1

I know exactly what’s wrong with them and why they think like this

Here it is

…

They are femme.

Sorry not r1, r19

R19 is femme.

JFC. The Academy is a very small, very elite group, & are completely insulated from MAGA.

MAGA may not give a shit about them, and they certainly don’t give a shit about MAGA, unless they’re Academy Award winners, obviously.

A+ trolling OP

So the answer to divisive nonsense is more divisive nonsense?

You’re just a Wicked stan and you sound 12, OP.

38?! Oh, good Lord.

Gays love living their lives through tv and film.

The Academy isn’t interested in diversity anymore since Will Smith’s episode.

The Academy is not a hive mind, and given the many problems facing the movie industry these days, seeming ‘relevant’ is the least of their problems.

Academy members will vote for what they like and what moved or interested them, as they always have. I don’t see WICKED generally being the top pick for most members, even if they found it entertaining.

And does Erivo play well with others? Is she well-liked, does she spend much time in Hollywood? Is she as difficult as rumored? If the latter, her chances of a win (as opposed to a nomination) are not good. While there is clearly a block of voters of color who seem to confer with each other to back certain actors (I infer this from Angela Bassett getting an automatic special Oscar when she lost in her category the year before) it is no guarantee of anything.

In a year when Trump narrowly won the presidency because large swaths of the voting public were too lazy or indifferent to vote for Harris, who’s to say which Oscar wins will be “popular” with the viewing audience? And will any of it matter in the ratings?

R22 if it’s ‘femme’ to call people out on their BS then it’s a badge I wear with honor. Coincidentally, you’re calling me out (on what you presume to be) my BS so it’s great to know there’s a term for that behavior and that you’re femme right along with me.

Erivo need to remove the nose ring. It looks ridiculous.

[quote]when Arianna inevitably (and deservedly) wins for best supporting actress

Mmm, no.

This is a low effort, lazy flamebait post, OP.

It does a great job riling up all the people who are too stupid to realize that, though.

Case in point: R12 and R20.

So now the trolls are calling for "dark-skinned" awards?

KIW Fire.

So this OP posts this thread and adds ten responses, and was the OP who posted:

[quote]Has a fart ever made you instantly unattracted to a hot person? I was seeing this guy recently. Absolutely gorgeous, great body and fun personality. A couple of weeks ago (still in the ‘courtship) he farted so loudly and stench was so bad that I was almost instantly turned off by him. And worst still he found it funny. I tried to regain my attraction to him but every time I looked at him I just kept remembering the disgusting sound and smell. I know it sounds ridiculous but I also felt like I lost some respect for him. Is this a case of me being a Mary? Please say I’m not alone here.

[quote] They are femme.

What a stupid insult

Careful, if you get too close, they may unpenis you

OP, why don’t you hold your own Wicked Awards in your little Special People’s Club and maybe you can get your neighbour, Dawn Weiner, to come along though even she might be too cool for this retarded nonsense.

R34 this post is genuinely how I feel (as was that other thread you’ve mentioned based on something that happened to IRL) & I thought I’d be met with agreement not criticism. Yes, I’ve posted follow up replies on here too. What do you want the outcome to be? For me to never post on DL again?

…They will snub Chalamet’s terrible imitation and forget about politics and nominate Stan.

[quote] If the Academy knows what’s good for them…

Uh-oh! If they don't do what OP demands, then he's going to get Will Smith to SLAP them!

[quote][R34] this post is genuinely how I feel (as was that other thread you’ve mentioned based on something that happened to IRL) & I thought I’d be met with agreement not criticism.

You must be very much a newbie if you really thought that.

This is not your private echo chamber where we are just going reinforce your ideas positively. Datalounge has never been that for anyone.

You very much need to grow up.

R2, the Academy was broken from the start in that it was never really about honoring the best cinematic achievements of the year. Winning an Oscar is a combination of luck, timing, connections, campaigning, narrative, and performance -- with performance sometimes being the least important factor in who wins.

Marianne Jean Baptiste has one of the most acclaimed performances of the year, has won several major critics awards, and will likely not even be nominated for reasons having nothing to do with her work. The distributor is not a strong campaigner, she is a character actress competing against much bigger stars, and she is not as well-connected in Hollywood as her competition.

Cynthia and Ariana's performances are better than several Oscar winners of recent years (though it's blatant category fraud to have Grande in support), but I don't think either will take home the prize.

Stop with the identity politics and pseudo woke calls for inclusivity. It's 2025, not 2020. We're sick of this shit.

OP is Teacake.

Interesting how all the negative comments are about the women, they’ve nothing negative to say about Coleman.

This is such a troll thread. Ignored.

Replacing one hive mind for another is only “WOKE” of another color. Don’t address yourself in the royal “we”. You’re not fucking Queen Victoria. In fact, you’re a duped peon, which is even worse.

[quote] Clearly, you weren't paying attention to the election results.

Election results that reflected a poll of the poorest, dumbest and least influential sheeple in the country. They don't dictate culture.

I think Adrian Brody will win his second Oscar. The academy tried to introduce a new category for blockbuster movies but it was a dud and never happened.

R48 I think he is the favorite to win too. The best actor winner they like to have a good narrative around it.

Right now at Gold Derby the favorites for this year's Oscars are pretty strongly Adrien Brody for Best Actor and Mikey Madison for Best Actress.

Domingo is ranked fourth (behind Brody and then 2. Ralph Fiennes and 3. Timothee Chalamet) as is Erivo (behind Madison and then 2. Karla Sofia Gascon and 3. Angelina Jolie).

R50: The "experts" at GoldDerby lol!

Erivo did a great job as Elphaba and deserves to be a contender. Grande, however, never moved her face once.

Zoe Saldana was incredible in Emilia Perez. She should win Best Actress but I believe she's been placed in the Best Supporting Actress category

[quote]Coleman Domingo

His name is COLMAN.

[quote] His name is COLMAN.

Is that Colman, from the Isle of Man, or Coleman where he worked as a Greek attache, or the vulgar Colmann where his mother lived?

Colman Domingo is spectacular no matter what he acts in

[quote]Interesting how all the negative comments are about the women, they’ve nothing negative to say about Coleman.

Nothing " interesting" about it, since the entire show is about two women, their faces have been plastered on every television and whatever magazines are left, they have appeared on every talk show in existence, and are the centerpieces of any Oscar talk. He is never spoken of when regular audiences talk about the film, except to say he did a very fine job, whoever he is ( because they have no idea who he is).

I know this sounds crazy, but maybe the Academy should vote for whoever they think gave the best performance.

R50 at this rate I don’t think Angelina will be nominated

Who are these people?

Jonathan Bailey should be nominated for just being so damn dreamy.

[quote]OP, why don’t you hold your own Wicked Awards in your little Special People’s Club and maybe you can get your neighbour, Dawn Weiner, to come along though even she might be too cool for this retarded nonsense.

So singing and dancing beautifully and having a packed audience laughing and then in tears isn't worthy, so please inform the unwashed masses what the fuck Robert Downey Jr. did to earn an Oscar in "Oppenheime" besides surviving The Bad Boys Club?

Pamela Anderson for the win!

[quote]Interesting how all the negative comments are about the women, they’ve nothing negative to say about Coleman.

Nobody has ever heard of "Coleman", whoever that is.

I just want to see what they're wearing.

R64 Many millenials and gen Zers are familiar with him from Euphoria.

Fiennes has the performance and the overdue veteran narrative to win. The problem is he's NOT campaigning.

R59: Love her or hate her, she is getting nominated. These mundane biopics never miss.

R58 the DEI WOKES would hate that.

They hate anything merit based.

Lady Gaga is the only choice for Best Actress with her artful portrayal of Lee in Joker.

I’d like to see Colman win too

r7 is an idiot.

I love Colman Domingo but he’s not going to win for Sing Sing. In order to win, he needs to be in a good movie. I found Sing Sing really wanting.

It’s also very odd that he takes the big, dramatic breakdown scene about life inside….when he’s surrounded by guys who have all served hard time. It’s the most actory thing…

I do hope he wins eventually. He’s an amazing actor and star. No one does the red carpet like Colman Domingo.

But it’s not going to be this year.

R63, there are some people predicting she might actually win at the Golden Globes this weekend. They obviously haven’t seen the film, which is dreadful. Jamie Lee Curtis should be arrested for crimes against acting and humanity for what she does in the film. And crimes against Total Eclipse of the Heart.

The best actress is more crowded with deserving nominees than it has been in years.

And if the OP knows what's good for HIM, he'll shut his filthy pie hole!

Actor: Adrian Brody. ("The Brutalist")

Supporting Actor: Edward Norton. ("A Complete Unknown") (This is the only one I'd put money on.)

Actress: Interesting. Will the actresses of "Anora" and "Selena Perez" cancel each other out?

Supporting Actress: Ariana Grande. ("Wicked")

[quote]when Arianna inevitably (and deservedly) wins for best supporting actress it won’t be a good look for Cynthia to lose

Admittedly, I haven't watched the Oscars since I was a teenager in the 90s because I don't care, but [bold]if[/bold] the Academy is concerned with its image, why would Ariana win? Her affair and subsequent relationship with her co-star ended his marriage to his high school sweetheart. That's not a good look.

[quote]Supporting Actor: Edward Norton. ("A Complete Unknown") (This is the only one I'd put money on.)

This is probably the only race with a clear winner right now, but it's not Edward Norton. Kieran Culkin has been dominating the race thus far, and there's no reason to believe it won't continue.

Norton is, at best, in third place right now behind Culkin and Guy Pearce for the Brutalist.

Fuller from Home Alone an oscar contender?! Oh my sides.

And people have the nerve to clown Pamela Anderson.

Set your DVR, kids! The GGs are Sunday, 1/05, CBS, 8:00 p.m.

Best Actor will come down to either Adrian Brody or Daniel Craig. Give it up TIMAAAY twink lovers. He ain’t getting jack shit.

Best Actress: Don’t sleep on Demi Moore for her performance in The Substance.

Who the hell takes the Academy and the Oscars remotely seriously anyway? The fact that a retarded piece of shit like Everything Everywhere All at Once could sweep the Oscars lays completely bare what a pandering bunch of phonies the whole thing is. They had to swap Asians into the tokenism minority du-jour post-Covid to symbolically atone for anti-Asian racism that went down. When they saw a movie like that they nearly jizzed themselves.

What a complete trash pile of a movie that was.

Craig doesn't have a shot at a Best Actor win, R82. He'll probably get the nomination, but that's it.

I still don't know how great Moore's chances are for The Substance. It's a cult hit and critics adore it, but there's a part of me that suspects it's more of an online phenomenon than something that appeals to rank-and-file Oscar voters. It's a better movie than Saltburn and I don't see it getting completely blanked, but I fear it'll follow a similar path as the buzzy, shock-value contender that performs pretty well all season, then gets slapped down by the Academy.

I'm pulling for Laraine Delmont in The Dust of Our Desire.

Palaoma Diamond will sweep this year

R84, The Substance has grossed $80M worldwide, a tremendous result for such an independent film. Demi is firmly in the mix with Qualley a distinct possibility for BSA and writer/director Fargeat a strong contender in screenplay and directing plus Best Make Up (it didn’t make the Oscar shortlists for VFX and Sound so won’t be included there). It is a strong contender for a Best Picture nomination.

I don’t know if it can win any of those but as the race heats up, Moore becomes more competitive in BA and Fargeat could win Screenplay.

R87, I think The Substance has a great shot at winning Makeup/Hairstyling, and that's even if it proves too daring for stodgy Academy members.

I don’t think they are too stodgy these days, I mean the older 70-80voters were teens-30’s when the more daring movies of the 1970s came out. 30 years ago the 70-80 age group were teens/young adults when hays code movies were made.

AMPAS saved best actor a few years back as the last award thinking Chadwick Boseman was going to win, but got egg on their face when Anthony Hopkins won for a career best performance, so I don’t think they are that “woke” or interested in DEI.

[quote] Who the hell takes the Academy and the Oscars remotely seriously anyway? The fact that a retarded piece of shit like Everything Everywhere All at Once could sweep the Oscars lays completely bare what a pandering bunch of phonies the whole thing is. They had to swap Asians into the tokenism minority du-jour post-Covid to symbolically atone for anti-Asian racism that went down. When they saw a movie like that they nearly jizzed themselves.

I wish I could have this much confidence in my own stupid opinions.

Well EEAaO WAS an incoherent piece of shit, but with a bit of magical thinking, many in the Academy seemed to think that over-honoring it made them seem ‘current’ as well as being seen as redressing wrongs of the past. It really was the human interest Oscars, where every major winner had a sob story and some grievance they wanted righted by winning an award. And a bunch of pushovers in the Academy agreed with them.

That was a great win for Hopkins, R89. But even if the Ernest Borgnine contingent has died off and the elderly members are now guys like Pacino and De Niro, there's still enough people who will choose something like CODA over anything that's remotely daring.

I think what makes me worry about The Substance is that unlike the edgier movies that do really well with the Oscars, it's not uplifting. For all the butt plug jokes in Everything Everywhere and the graphic sex in Poor Things, they're pretty conventional in giving their protagonists almost heartwarming endings. The Substance goes for something just a bit different.

CODA was one of the worst Best Picture wins ever. POWER OF THE DOG and some of the other BP nominees were more deserving than that damn TV movie.

R93, the frustrating thing about CODA is that it’s so inoffensive that you can’t really hate it. It’s not loathsome like Crash or Green Book, it’s just a pleasant piece of mainstream entertainment that was ridiculously overrated. In an alternate universe, it would have swept the Emmys instead of the Oscars, and that would have been fine.

R83 = BEST POST of the entire thread.

Thread closed.

R90 oh fuck off. It was atrocious garbage. There was nothing deep or profound about that whole pretentious piece of execrable, incoherent shit.

Am I the only person alive who thinks Crash is a brilliant film?

r97 I never saw Crash again, at least not the entire movie (I do watch the scenes with Matt Dillon, Loretta Devine, and Ryan Phillippe from time to time), but I don't hate it reflexively like most of DL because it beat Brokeback Mountain for BP.

For the record, the Best Picture frontrunner, Anora, has done $30M worldwide.

I think CODA was a respectable win. It’s unique and significant in the way it depicts disability and I felt that was noteworthy.

So far, "The Brutalist" is Nowheresville as to theaters.

R75 agreed. Usually it’s the guys. But this year it’s the actresses. Adrien Brody is winning the best actor Oscar. Calling it now.

True, R101, it just opened in New York and Los Angeles and won't open in other major markets until later this month.

I'm the exact intended audience for The Brutalist, but even I haven't seen it yet because it'll be almost an entire day commitment.

The world is over WOKE and DEI.

And its end could not come soon enough.

I really hope that the Academy voters send a clear message that they will be voting for TALENT this year, and not Woke or DEI.

[quote] when Denzel and Halle won in 2002 it was a much needed feel-good booster following 9/11 (admittedly the Oscar’s were far more relevant and massive back then).

Four whoppers in a single sentence & parenthetical.

I really want to see The Brutalist but WHY does the film have to be 3.5 fucking hours. I’m sick of these long films.

I want Eviro to win just because it is a stain that the only lead black actress in the Academy’s damn near 100 year history is Berry in that degrading ass role.

[quote]I really want to see The Brutalist but WHY does the film have to be 3.5 fucking hours. I’m sick of these long films.

Christ you're an amateur, when I was kid we went to triple features.

True, r108! I watched "A Hard Day's Night" three showings in a row! Theaters didn't kick people out in the 60s.

Op what are you a loan shark. Is this a threat?

Ariana most definitely has a chance to win. I think she and Saldana are neck to neck favorites.

[quote]Ariana most definitely has a chance to win.

Well you would, wouldn't you R111.

R107 to be fair many best actress winners were within degrading roles, it’s rewarding the actress torturing themselves. That said, it’s not the best look I agree.

Fuck off cunt @ R112 - Many high profile people have praised her performance. Adam McKay, Oliver Stone, Drew Barrymore, Ariana DeBose among them. You just like being a catty bitch about someone YOU dislike. I was merely stating what I've been reading including the Las Vegas odds.

“Wow! I had never heard of these two actresses before, but what a surprise to find their performances so fresh and different. Ariana Grande is a wonder, a darling with her sparkling eyes – who, I wonder, could have given birth to such an enchanting fairytale creature? And Cynthia Erivo brings a depth and intelligence to Elphaba, the Wicked Witch of Oz, which is very moving! -Oliver Stone

SAG AWARDS NOMINEES:

Fyvush Finkel has it wrapped up. Mark my words.