Carter dead

Thank you, Sir.

Finally.

One of the good guys. RIP, Jimmy.

Great link, OP you moron

Nothing yet from NYT in terms of breaking news. But they just emailed me to tell me what trick will make vegetables taste their best.

He was so close to seeing 2025. RIP.

it's on the DM

Thanks r6 for doing OP's job.

He was a good person. RIP

With elder statesman Carter's death, it makes you realize what a bunch of buffoons, clowns, and low life degenerates we have in Donald Trump & Company.

DM? You mean the Dead to Me?

Here's a link

lol, r5.

Apparently, nobody is minding the store. They take that time-off until Jan. 2nd seriously.

I've been bitching that they still don't have an Olivia Hussey obit up.

So weird, the first alert I got was from TMZ. They know EVERYTHING.

I'm glad this happened under Biden, and he will have a respectful funeral. Not sure if that would have happened under Trump.

Bill Clinton is now the last surviving US president to have been in office in the 20th century. We are all so very old.

I'm assuming they pay, r14, because you're right.

[quote]Apparently, nobody is minding the store. They take that time-off until Jan. 2nd seriously.

Apparently, the same is true for CNN and NBC. There’s nothing on either of their websites.

I just checked that, too, r18 before I become glued to the Packers Vikings game.

Total absence of noting his death.

R16- Not ALL of us eldergays are 100 years old.

Nor BBC. Leave it to DL...

I hope the family refuses to invite The Rump.

Oof.

[quote] I'm glad this happened under Biden, and he will have a respectful funeral. Not sure if that would have happened under Trump.

Agree, r15.

But still, I hope the family doesn't request a Washington DC event. I'm worried about thin crowds which would be an embarrassment.

I’m glad he and Rosalynn aren’t apart anymore.

R2, fuck you, you herpetic cunt.

RIP to the last president with a genuine heart and soul.

A man of faith who always stood by convictions despite whether or not it was popular.

Of course 2024 had to have one last fuck you.

RIP

His quality of life appeared to be total shit the last few years, so he is free now. RIP.

Amy and Jason Carter have asked Beyonce to perform at the funeral.

If you're ever in Atlanta, visit The Carter Center. He was an amazing man. You know he was a good guy for how much shit the media talks about him. History will look at us for the dumbasses we are.

R16, interestingly Clinton, Bush, and Trump were all born within a two month period in 1946.

How many of his obituary writers are themselves long dead?

Let's see, Biden, Clinton, Bush, Obama.

I would imagine they'll attend the funeral. Trump probably doesn't want to go.

He outlived Olivia Hussey.

Trump the 2nd oldest living president now. He and Biden are older than Clinton!

Requiescat in pace. A good and decent man. Too few left in politics today.

I am glad he is at rest. It was so sad seeing him in such frail condition these last few years.

r16 that's kind of mind-blowing. One thing than can make us really feel the passage of time.

But Keith Richards is still alive. Makes you question clean, healthy living, doesn’t it?

R31?????? No way they released a statement like that so soon. Why troll?

Of course he was elderly. But this makes me sad. He showed the best of us. We're in short supply.

We have lost a saint.

[quote] But Keith Richards is still alive. Makes you question clean, healthy living, doesn’t it?

Not at all--that's an absurd comparison. Richards is only 81 today; Carter was nineteen years older.

I sincerely doubt Richards will make it all the way to 100.

An incredible man. Thank you sir, for everything.

Prior to Trump, Carter was the most unlikeliest to get elected. “Jimmy Who?”

No way will Trump be invited to his funeral. It will be a welcome snub before the inauguration.

His last words on his deathbed was "Fuck You, Trump!" so I'm sure the family won't invite him.

I remember when Truman died on Dec. 26, 1972. Followed, 27 days later, by LBJ.

You'd think so, r48, but I think it's as likely that the family will, out of protocol, extend an invitation to Trump. Then Trump may decline.

but I wouldn't be surprised that that troll Trump would accept.

He's one of the lucky ones.

Doesn't have to live under a second Trump regime.

He won't have to live through the terror and the destruction of the United States by MAGA cunts and Elon Musk.

His grandson can FINALLY make the announcement he has been waiting to make!!

The little attention whore.

For the youngsters:

This is what a great man is. A complete shame that the standards of devotion to public service & integrity died long before President Carter did.

May he RIP.

I think Trump’s attendance depends on whether the family opts for a private funeral in Plains with a memorial church service in Atlanta rather than D.C.

Trump attended Ethel Kennedy's D.C. memorial service despite how all but two family members feel about him. He can't resist trying to make himself the center of attention, so I think he'd inflict himself on D.C. service. I think he'd be scared of there being too many blacks and Democrats in Atlanta.

No, Della/R51. It isn’t happening. Trump will be snubbed.

Considering that Trump is going to be president for four years and that there will be other special occasions during that time, the funeral may be an opportunity to mend fences before the next term starts.

Trump went to Ethel’s funeral because he was mining RFK, Jr., voters.

[quote]His grandson can FINALLY make the announcement he has been waiting to make!!

He already wrote it out:

"Fuck you all, the world is mine ! I inherited the family fortune from my grandpa!"

Rip, it was a long time to spend in hospice

Sorry Della @ r1 but the correct phrase is “Thank You Mister President!”

The first candidate for president for whom I voted. Was for Teddy in ‘80, but ended up doing volunteer work for Carter’s general election.

State Funeral but I haven't found when yet.

Oh, gosh!

Nice tribute on MSNBC - Chris Matthews was his speech writer and is giving some wonderful background stories of his time with Carter.

He was the first president I voted for - I liked him due to his honest demeanor and unique approach to the office. A truly good human being regardless of his presidential deficiencies.

Someone famous always seems to die close to the new year.

Carter biographer Jon Alter on MSNBC is about 10 years off in gauging how long before the Truman retrospective began. It was the early ‘70s, not the ‘80s.

May he rest now and be remembered for the wonderful man he was. He really did care. A farmer from Georgia that invited the Alan Bris to play his inauguration. He was a good role model.

Looks like this is the 'official' thread of the many, as it has the most responses.

Nice writeup by Smithsonian Magazine.

[quote] I remember when Truman died on Dec. 26, 1972. Followed, 27 days later, by LBJ.

This scenario might be the only time I’d be fine likening Trump to LBJ.

lol, r61.

Oh. I stand corrected, Ms. Thomas.

Damn. * He invited the Alman brothers

The Best man to ever serve as president

I hope dump doesn’t go to the funeral because it becomes all about him and his rude pig behavior. Maybe he’ll show up and take a shit by poor Carters coffin. Kick the creep out if he shows up.

They need to hold the funeral before or ON Trump's second inauguration.

That way, Biden will be the highest ranking President in attendance, and will be accorded the highest place of honor at the funeral, and NOT Trump.

Why does every news outlet refer to him as 'Former President Carter', yet for the last four years they referred to Trump as 'President Trump' and left out the word 'former' ?

I still have so much Carter era memorabilia. Carter as a peanut with an enormous toothy smile, Carter flashing a peace sign with a peanut erection….

[quote] That way, Biden will be the highest ranking President in attendance, and will be accorded the highest place of honor at the funeral, and NOT Trump.

Wouldn’t it be better to give the deceased the place of honor at his own funeral?

I think he was a better president than generally credited, but a worse ex-president than thought.

[quote] Why does every news outlet refer to him as 'Former President Carter', yet for the last four years they referred to Trump as 'President Trump' and left out the word 'former' ?

Same reason they always referred to President Obama and President Biden as simply "Obama" and "Biden," but always referred to Trump as "President Trump."

Because they're TRUMP ASS LICKERS!!!

Trump referring to him as “Jimmy”!

I'm guessing the Gerald Ford family will be invited.

I didn't know this until Ford died, but he and Carter developed a close friendship.

Gossip had it that one basis of the bond they had was their shared dislike of Ronald Reagan.

Someone wrote a nice message from Trump. It sure as shit wasn't written by him, he can't even spell half those words.

R77 Its amazing how much you can tell about a person from just one comment.

R82/Della, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Official statement from the White House.

I’m too young to remember his presdicency. Wasn’t he very unpopular at the time and generally considered a bad president for decades after? How did public opinion about him do such a 180?

Yup, r85.

At least one representative of the immediate descendants of former presidents are typically invited. I imagine Susan Ford might represent her family. Tricia Nixon always comes to these events.

King Charles will attend the funeral as well as Justin Trudeau and Emmanuel Macron. I'm assuming this and would be shocked if they don't. Other world leaders as well but not sure who.

I remember being so excited voting for him after being newly registered to vote. Going into the voting booth at 18 was such a thrill.

He was a great man and this is an inevitable but sad loss. I doubt there will be any more men with similar characteristics to grace the political landscape in my lifetime. RIP.

That's an impressive statement from the Bidens.

I voted for Jimmy twice.

What a lost era that was!

Here's to you Jimmy, I'm toasting with a glass of wine for being a good human being.

Damn Jimmy, couldn't you have held until January 18th or so, just to fuck with Dump's media cycle?

Oh well, you were a good person and had a good, long life. The rest of us should follow your example. RIP.

He seemed like a truly good man. R.I.P. 🙏

I voted for him twice. But MSNBC, please stop with the talk that he wanted to live long enough to vote for Kamala. It has reminded me of Nancy’s (fanciful) story that her long-demented Ronnie looked at her clear-eyed right before taking his last breath.

Rest in Power, Mr. Carter.

For R90. 🙏🏽

Speaking of demented and dementia

From Bill Clinton

R102, the Clintons had a long, tortured history with Carter, starting with blaming him for Bill’s gubernatorial reelection loss in 1980.

I hope some of the leaders of certain African countries are invited--and they attend; former President Carter truly did the Lord's work there. Back in the days when I had more disposable income I regularly donated my widow's mite to The Carter Center; one of the things I loved was the Center allowed donors to direct their funds to the missions closest to their hearts, and I always chose Guinea-worm and other river blindness eradication programs. That was a huge deal for me, and I loved how I'd get regular updates by mail; the day I received a letter stating blindness from Guinea-worm had been eradicated, I broke into tears--I'm teary now, remembering it. Can you imagine--a widespread pestilence that devastated lives, families, and economies over MILLENNIA, [bold]GONE.[/bold]

I love that man and his wife. Rest in the sweetest peace, Jimmy and Rosalynn.

President Carter had solar panels installed on the white house. And the next administration immediately removed the panels.

This was an educated man from a prominent Southern family dismissed as a peanut farmer while his predecessor was a third rate actor who ratted on his peers during the red scare.

Maga is a contrarian,abortive, destructive bowel moment and I am dishonoring the memory of a President who spent HIS dotage building affordable homes for Americans and writing poetry.

There were some digs at Dump in that statement R102. Like the Panama Canal remark. It's sure to trigger Mango Mussolini.

About his successors, Carter said that he was treated best by the HW Bush White House.

I'm watching Argo tonight.

I imagine he will lie in state at the U.S. Capitol, and that there will be a religious service in D.C. for dignitaries. But his private funeral for family will be in Plains. I'd imagine we will see heads of state attending this funeral. Or at least representatives from the UK, France African countries, Middle East, etc. Egypt and Jordan will for sure send representatives. I think this is gonna be an international event. They ought to ask Al Gore to speak because he and Jimmy were friends.

You are a Reagan republican? Really bitch? You want to claim this ?

R29 Well said VoN

Bernice King on CNN now...

From Barack Obama

I just discovered that Jimmy Carter was related to Berry Gordy through his mother.

[quote]Carter was born Bessie Lillian Gordy on August 15, 1898, in Richland, Georgia, to James Jackson Gordy and Mary Ida Nicholson Gordy. She was the niece of Berry Gordy I, who was the paternal half-brother of James Jackson Gordy and the grandfather of Motown Records founder Berry Gordy.[1]

I was just going to say the same thing, r103.

There were hard feelings for a while, but over time, they patched things up and let bygones be bygones.

And you're right. Carter made the mistake of lecturing Fidel Castro on the conditions in his prisons and challenged him to release his political prisoners and the US would take them in.

"Here ya go", Castro said, and sent over his hardened violent criminals and mentally challenged prisoners and Carter housed some them at a US federal facility in Arkansas while Clinton was the governor, pissing Clinton off to no end.

And Carter, by credible accounts, had a mean streak that Clinton felt on occasion.

One of Clinton's aides tattled on him and said that it would irk Clinton that Carter enjoyed such a saintly reputation when he knew that Carter could be mean as a snake.

I think a contributing dynamic between the two is that there was room for only one Southern Man to sit at the top of the heap of national politics, and they competed for it.

Bill Clinton is the only former president who did anything of note after leaving the WH. I don't understand why more of them don't do something worthy with the rest of their lives?

I mean other than Carter.

I am stunned that Trump actually approved this copy and didn't do his usual dig at Democrats.

I loved Jimmy Carter, but he had to put up with a lot of classism from the media, even Amy was criticized for not being adorable enough. It’s pretty remarkable when you see the way that his family reflected “red”American values and were thoroughly trashed for them. Now wrestlers and evangelicals are part of the Trump coalition yet twisted in a completely opposite way.

X is not a reliable source of information

Clinton also resented Carter running his own foreign policy while Clinton was in the White House.

[quote]I loved Jimmy Carter, but he had to put up with a lot of classism from the media,

Bill Clinton, too. He was from a rural, working class Southern background and the media often snarked that he was a hillbilly.

[quote]X is not a reliable source of information

NO!

Those who worked with & around Carter said that Carter’s ever-present campaign smile was never in evidence in private. Similarly, it was said that Clinton’s & Gore’s private personalities were the opposite of their respective public images, with Gore the more convivial in private.

From George W Bush

Jimmy Carter was the first evangelical president. And as support for Roe was not then a litmus test for Democrats, the last “pro-life” Democratic president.

No reference to “Jimmy” from W.

I've always loved this pic of the royal family's expressions after Jimmy Carter kissed the Queen Mother on the lips.

It was terrible when he was impeached by the Democrats over the recount in the 2002 presidential election.. He was one of Bostons greatest governors too...R.I.P.

Our local news just announced it on the 5:00 newscast and they said the cause of death was not released. Really? Morons!

Possibly another oil rig-related death, R129?

So far no public comment from his cousins the Gordy clan.

I always wondered if Trump would have denied Carter a showing in the Capitol if he died when Trump was President.

Don’t have to worry about that now

R130: They all can't go out in as manly a fashion as I did!!

What’s really weird is I was on a long flight today that had an odd number of documentaries about Carter showing.

How did they know?

R132, as much as I detest Trump, I don’t think that was ever a possibility had Carter denied during his administration. He didn’t do that to senior Bush. He resisted honoring McCain, but McCain wasn’t a president, but a senator with whom he had a tortured relationship.

Carter handed the Panama Canal over to a dictator. Fact. Did he ever do ANYthing right?

The weak doormat of a president that gave us Ronald Reagan. Then the end.

Thanks for nothing, you imbecile peanut farmer.

He will be buried next to his wife in Atlanta.

I can't be sad about this. If there is a heaven, he'll stroll right in. RIP.

R136, even a staunch right-winger like Duke Wayne came out to endorse Carter’s Panama Canal Treaty, which needed - & received - two-thirds support in the Senate.

[Quote] Carter handed the Panama Canal over to a dictator. Fact. Did he ever do ANYthing right?

He followed the contract signed when the US built the canal inside a sovereign country

[QUOTE]while his predecessor was a third rate actor who ratted on his peers during the red scare.

Oh, dear. I think someone may have had a stroke.

I'm so sorry. What happened?

OP His son said he is so I find no reason not to believe him.

We need jimmy Carter

We can't afford to settle for less

America

Once and for all, why not the best?

One of my favorite Carter memories is of him, accepting the ‘80 nomination, extolling Democratic predecessors, and the great Democrat who should’ve been president, “Hubert Horatio Hornblower … Humphrey.”

[bold] Good News!! [/bold] Before he passed Carter endorsed Biden for 2028. So, there's that.

There was quite an ABC - anyone but Carter - movement in the spring/summer of 1976. Jerry Brown, then just 38, entered the late primaries, winning some, as did Frank Church. But all eyes turned to Humphrey as the only one who could wrest the nomination from Carter. After weeks of intensive lobbying of him, Humphrey scheduled a press conference. Everyone expected he was jumping in, but he announced he was not. Maybe because the cancer that would take his life in 18 months had returned.

Dump made his statement all about him. How he’s in a special club…. Etc etc

Statesman and President Jimmy Carter, was the ultimate Influencer.

Now, this honorable and charitable humanitarian departs, leaving those left behind to reflect on a time not so long ago when integrity, decency and truth were considered not weaknesses, but positive attributes. President Carter and the values he encompassed are sorely missed.

Thank you, President Carter. Rest in Peace.

His successor, not his predecessor , thanks for the correction. Magat.

Carter was a good guy. Reagan was a moron.

I found it odd that neither QE II nor the Queen Mother wore tiaras at the Carter State Dinner so I was curious about other State Dinners she attended: Eisenhower, Ford, Reagan, GHWB, and GWB. She wore tiaras on those occasions. Did the Foreign Office suggest this given Carter's homespun simplicity?

[QUOTE]Carter enjoyed such a saintly reputation when he knew that Carter could be mean as a snake.

I remember being surprised and disappointed when I read about the mean streak. I don't recall specific examples, if there were any. I image it would have given away who was in the room with him. I wonder how much of it had to do with being under scrutiny from D.C. insiders who wrote him off as a bumpkin, despite an Annapolis education. Being looked down upon can make a person defensive and a little bitter.

[bold] I wonder how differently Carter would have handled the AIDS crisis? [/bold] I have also wondered how the path would have been altered if Harvey Milk hadn't died..

Carter was a high ranking naval officer on a fucking nuclear sub, born to an elite Southern family who owned an agrarian business dismissed as a peanut farmer in the media.

Reagan was white trash in comparison and he is worshiped by you freaks.

Biden should have sent a proxy to speak-still embarrassing us blah blah blah.

R72 & R104: As soon as I saw mention of the Allman Brothers my mind immediately went here:

[QUOTE]Reagan was white trash in comparison and he is worshiped by you freaks.

Huh? Do you know where you are?

Who exactly are the morons who defended Reagan on this thread or historically on DL ? I searched and in seven mentions he was never once worshipped or defended on this thread

Reagan is rightfully hated on DL. Whenever his name comes up, posters explain why he was so awful.

Oh Mr. President do you really have to go?

FUCK YOU MAGAT

Yeah yeah we hate Reagan but I hate Dump more.

Was it natural causes?

[quote] born to an elite Southern family who owned an agrarian business

He also lived in public housing for a while when the peanut farm went under with the weight of debt.

President Biden looks ill; he should not have taken press questions following his statements on President Carter.

I've been reflective ever since I heard the news. I now realize I have been very self-indulgent. I don't really DO anything that contributes to humanity. So tomorrow, I'm going over to Habitat and volunteer. and start looking in to programs that help people.

So young.

He got a lot of shit over The Energy Crisis. I was around then so I remember.

Grampa Biden is on vacation. Of course he is. Freeing KILLERS from the death penalty must be exhausting. I'm honestly not even sure Biden is competent enough to show up to the Inauguration.

Take it over to the Daily Mail website, r169. The adults are talking.

Biden at Carters Memorial service should be fun. Listening to Grampa Joe yammer about JERRY Carter and his wife Rose Marie won't be cringy in any way.

Like totally

What’s the over/under on how many times Biden says, “No joke”?

When does the President start shrieking about the blacks eatin dawgs

R172 thinks EVERYTHING is about Trump. Even when it isn't. You're every thought is about what the Orange Idiot does. [bold] You're one of the reasons Kamala lost. But you're too short sighted and stupid to see it..[/bold]

YOU'RE THE REASON THE CONFEDERATE FLAG FLEW FOR THE FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY IN THE CAPITOL ON J6.

YOU ARE A PIG AND A SCUMBAG SEDITIONIST

No one wanted to believe me when I said Jimmy didn’t look well at Rosalyn’s funeral …

^ Rosalynn

[quote]President Biden looks ill; he should not have taken press questions following his statements on President Carter.

Granted it was not in a studio, but the lighting was horrible. On my TV, Biden's hair looked blue.

I remember like it was yesterday when I was a senior in high school, a day before the election. I turned 17 a few weeks later. My US History teacher, an admired, respected. elegant Jewish woman in her 50s, told the class, "God help America if Ronald Reagan becomes President." One of the students asked what would be wrong with Reagan as President (he came from a very wealthy family) and she said, " He's out to destroy the middle class." She also encouraged us to 'always vote Democrat' for the rest of our lives.

Those simple sentences have stayed with me all these years. I have crossed paths with her over the years, and always remind her I was one of her students in 1980-81, and I have always voted Democrat like she told us to do (plus my family always voted Blue). She would simply smile and say ,'I taught you something right'.

BTW, one of our fellow students works in a nursing home where our teacher has been for a number of years (she outlived her husband and two daughters). She will be 100 soon.

Kinda detected from Biden a few digs at Trump as he kept repeating the word 'decency', as if it's something that we'll never see again.

A former president devoting his time and energy into building homes for American citizens? More than decent, a saint in comparison!

Jimmy caught a lot of shit when he was POTUS. Even then they were setting the table for the GOP take over. A Reporter from the Boston Globe, Oliphant, who covered Carter talked about it tonight on CNN. He said D.C. was even more snobbish than NYC society, and they hated Carter and looked down on him and gave him a rough time and he gave it right back. They looked down on this hick from Georgia and his "Georgia Mafia" and ridiculed his policies and his initiatives and really made it difficult to get things through Congress. Carter could be stubborn and he always felt he was right. So that didn't help. But on Energy policy, The Environment, Human Rights, Russia, The Middle East, Education, etc. he was way ahead of his times.

I hope this inspires Gen Z. He's never been popularized by the media because he was a "loser" and had real integrity. You can have this if you organize and vote, kids

R176 = Obsessed with Trump and MAGA. [bold] Here you are painting the CARTER thread with MAGA garbage [/bold]. Yes. We know they are deplorable. No need to keep reminding us during our national mourning of President Carter. Spoiler Alert = people can disagree with your Trump Obsession and still be a Democrat. Go find a DL Cat Thread and throw your MAGA bullshit there. LoL

Speaking to the snobbery visited on the Carters, just remember the anguished look on Jackie Kennedy’s face when Jimmy planted a kiss on her cheek.

Is there video of that?

You. Are maga garbage. You. Are. Blanche.

I thought Amy was an only ugly child-they had 4 children! If I had known he might still be alive today…

R187, you can google Jimmy Carter & Jackie Kennedy for an image of the awkward encounter.

R106, i did it in college. I loved it and met carter once

r187 the encounter was at the opening of the JFK Library in Boston, I believe. To help you search.

r90 if Carter has a full state funeral expect world leaders to attend, but if not they will send high-ranking representatives. King Charles could send Prince William, for example, in his place.

Weird that Pres. Carter was always trying to plant his lips on women (Queen Elizabeth, Jackie O). Handshake should have been enough.

[quote] You. Are maga garbage. You. Are. Blanche.

Nous ne sommes pas tous des déchets !

News says yes full state funeral but please no trump and I hope not even the whore wife cums.

The Biden-bashing asshole has arrived at R169, R171 and R173. There's the attention you wanted, now kindly fuck off.

[quote]When does the President start shrieking about the blacks eatin dawgs

People who aren't aware of who the President of the United States is right now should really shut the hell up.

Now-now lets be fair. R171 and R173 were very funny and quite accurate.

R196, I’m neither R169 nor R171. And as far as being a Biden-basher, I voted for him twice, contributing to both his ‘20 campaign & his aborted ‘22 race. I’ve also posted that, while we will never know, it’s possible he would have done better than Harris. So people can make critical comments about Biden without being reduced to the bashing category. People can be more complicated than that.

No, they weren't, R197. Assholes are never funny. They're just Assholes.

I’m not sad for Carter.100 yrs., amazing life and now he’s with Rosalynn-Congratulations!

What a joy R199 must be to be around.

That's very sad to hear that he has passed away. He was a truly good, moral and decent person who worked tirelessly to improve the lives of other people. That's something to be proud of. Carter was a REAL American patriot.

I don't think we will see many people like Carter in the future - if ever again.

End of an epoch.

Sad day. He made it to 100 and came close to making it into another year. I don't think any of us expected that. I'm a little relieved that he went while Biden is still in office, though. We know he will be remembered and honored by a President who can exhibit empathy, dignity and class, all of which Jimmy Carter deserved.

[quote]News says yes full state funeral

Biden just called. I am on the program, bitches

Are you dead too R205?

r206, you wish, hussy!

[quote]Those of us who have been fortunate to have served as President understand this is a very exclusive club...

Having read this egotistic vulgarity I think it extremely unlikely the forthcoming 'President' would decline to attend Carter's State Funeral. It's all about the optics for him: huge occasion, look at me.

The Felon is without shame, so hearing radiant eulogies about Carter's decency won't bother him one bit, he'll just imagine they're talking about him. That said, the body language of grandees around the insurrectionist will be of interest.

The clunking tweet 'tribute' also appears to have omitted the word 'enough' after 'fortunate', as though so eager to get to the 'exclusive club' part. Amusing that Trump now thinks of Obama as part of his special club.

Sounds like the hostage crisis was a Republican operation to sabotage Carter and get Reagan in.

Indeed, it was. Peter Baker, right before the NYT became flakey in its coverage of the GOP, exposed another, honest to goodness, real life Republican conspiracy. John Connolly (yes, that one) flew to the Middle East to broker the deal keeping American citizens in captivity so Reagan could get elected.

Ben Barnes was the confessor who accompanied Connolly on the GOP's extra-legal trip to undermine American democracy long before 2016 rolled around.

[quote]Of course 2024 had to have one last fuck you.

R29, yeah, the Grim Reaper usually takes a big name away from us at the end of every year. This year it turned out to be Jimmy Carter.

Obama pretty much hated him.

RIP to President Carter. ❤️

R209 & R210, while the GOP, with the helpful hand of Iranian leaders who wanted to stick it to Carter, worked to foil a hostage release, that’s not the same as saying that the hostage crisis itself was a “Republican operation.”

[QUOTE]Obama pretty much hated him.

Tell us more.

Of the two, I would guess that Clinton hated him more than Obama.

[quote]King Charles will attend the funeral as well as Justin Trudeau and Emmanuel Macron. I'm assuming this and would be shocked if they don't.

R90, yes, Justin Trudeau will probably try to attend Carter's funeral if he can. Justin's father Pierre was Prime Minister in the 1970's when Carter was President. Carter went to Pierre Trudeau's funeral a couple of decades ago, so there is a connection between the Trudeau and Carter families.

R166 - I volunteered at the Habitat for Humanity Store in Charlottesville, VA several years ago. It was a GREAT experience - the people who worked there as well as the patrons who visited the store were truly wonderful. They have you do all kinds of things based on what needs to be done - I was there for 2-4 hours per day over about a year. They give you a brief interview (a formality) then create an account for you to sign up online to volunteer on the days that are available and would work for you.

I highly recommend volunteering if it works for your schedule. If you go there with an open attitude then you will get a lot out of the opportunity and it will stay with you for a long time. Giving your time is 'free' but the payback is priceless.

R127, Philip got a kick out of it.

[quote]I'm honestly not even sure Biden is competent enough to show up to the Inauguration.

Trump sure isn't, r169. Move along, Toots. The adults here are talking.

Hope it goes Carter dies Sunday-Biden dies Monday-Dump dies Tuesday-SUCCESSION!

There's a much stronger reaction to Jimmy's death on social media than there was to GHW Bush's.

I think MSNBC, CNN and Faux News are thrilled Carter died this week.

It fills a lot of holiday week dead time, no pun intended.

Carter supported gay marriage :

Carter has stated that he supports same-sex marriage in civil ceremonies.[20] He said: "I believe Jesus would. I don't have any verse in scripture ... I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that's just my own personal belief. I think Jesus would encourage any love affair if it was honest and sincere and was not damaging to anyone else, and I don't see that gay marriage damages anyone else".[20] Evangelist Franklin Graham criticized the assertion as "absolutely wrong".[21][22] In October 2014, Carter argued ahead of a Supreme Court ruling that legalization of same-sex marriage should be left up to the states and not mandated by federal law.[23]

Carter was the first president to move the needle, albeit slowly, on gay rights Jimmy Carter, who died Sunday at age 100, stood out for his early support for pro-gay legislation and his embrace of LGBTQ advocates, historians say.

That's so cool r224 and r225. What a good person.

OK, now I'm verklempt.

The following is from today's NYT.

"But even though Mr. Mondale died first, in 2021, he left behind the eulogy he planned to deliver, which will be read at Mr. Carter’s memorial service at Washington National Cathedral on Jan. 9 by his son Ted Mondale. Former President Gerald R. Ford, who died in 2006, likewise left a eulogy that will be read by his son, Steven Ford."

I'm sentimental fool and that kind of stuff always gets me.

Jonathan Alter, one of Carter’s biographers (a book I heartily recommend), said he got word from Jeff Carter a couple of days before the death that the end was near. So I have to believe that both the media in general & the political class were similarly on notice.

1977

Reading r224, r225, and r226 made me tear up. We'll, this whole thread. How far we've fallen.

indeed, what great ideals! now we are lucky if the attorney general isn't a convicted felon

Why does this thread no longer appear in my Watched group?

^ Now it’s back!

Jogging in his short shorts, El Sereno (Los Angeles) 1979.

I don’t know if I can watch Biden sludge through his eulogy. He just doesn’t have it in him any longer to deliver a coherent address. Maybe he should follow Fritz Mondale’s lead & let Hunter step in for him.

I remember his eulogy for McCain went on forever.

[quote] She also encouraged us to 'always vote Democrat' for the rest of our lives.

Your teacher did you a disservice, R180. A history teacher should have taught you to evaluate candidates on their own merits, not to blindly vote party lines. She was right about Reagan, though.

RIP. Oot perhaps but maybe not totally , expect some IT in Wall street to work overtime during the funeral. It’s gonna be a federal holiday and stock markets will be closed. Their systems may need special tweaking to run properly on that extra ordinary non working day. That is all. My condolences to the family.

[quote]Your teacher did you a disservice, R180. A history teacher should have taught you to evaluate candidates on their own merits, not to blindly vote party lines. She was right about Reagan, though.

Not just Reagan. Hell, she might have been able to see the Republican Party's coming decades-long process of fucking up the country back then and gave that advice as a warning.

I doubt Biden will give the eulogy

The Carter years were very depressing.

[quote]Hope it goes Carter dies Sunday-Biden dies Monday-Dump dies Tuesday-SUCCESSION!

Don't know why Biden has to die, but in that scenario, we get President Kamala Harris for a couple of weeks, no Trump and President J.D. Vance for four years. The outcome always results in America getting the shittiest outcome, but that's what enough dumbasses wanted and they'll have no one else to blame for their choice.

Maybe bar bush will

[quote] A history teacher should have taught you to evaluate candidates on their own merits, not to blindly vote party lines.

A political science teacher would have told you to vote along party lines. It's pretty naive to think that party doesn't matter in politics.

[quote]There's a much stronger reaction to Jimmy's death on social media than there was to GHW Bush's.

R222, I agree. And I noticed today that CNN has been giving Jimmy hours of coverage, which is nice to see.

The senior Bush got a very respectful coverage, too.

I do believe the timing is right

Underrated president and a genuinely good person. I’ve been dreading this day.

[quote] I don’t know if I can watch Biden sludge through his eulogy. He just doesn’t have it in him any longer to deliver a coherent address.

I almost feel the same way, r234. I think, for me, it's more I don't want to be on pins and needles hoping Biden doesn't lose the thread, and then go on too long.

It's not kicking Biden when he's down to note that. I want him to have as many moments as possible in the spotlight on his way out the door that he has coming.

But still.

Feels like his funeral will be the last gasp of “normal” times before the country descends into the abyss.

Maybe Bill Clinton, a fellow southerner, should do the eulogy. Of all the presidents, IMO, he was the best public speaker.

[quote] I do believe the timing is right

If he had died before the election, his death would have received less attention. If Harris had been elected, I don’t think he would be receiving this level of praise that stems from attempts to contrast him with Trump.

[quote] Feels like his funeral will be the last gasp of “normal” times before the country descends into the abyss.

What an astute observation, r249.

Hope Martha is next and then Matthew Perry-no-wait…

r250 Clinton and Carter had a notoriously spiky relationship over the years. It won't be him, although I agree he'd give a fine eulogy.

State funeral on Tuesday, January 7th.

The State Funeral is Thursday, January 9th.

Well, make up your mind.

The State Funeral is Wednesday, January 8th.

R254, Peter Baker in the Times recounts a mutual shouting match in the Clinton White House following a Carter trip abroad. And how Clinton snubbed Carter at 1993 inaugural festivities when, days earlier, Carter, whose daughter Amy attended a public school, had criticized the decision to place Chelsea in a private DC school.

R208 Can’t the family deny him from attending. Does he have to attend.

Wouldn’t that just feed into his anti-establishment bona fides that served him so well in this election, R260?

As pious as Carter seemed to be in office, it’s interesting that his presidency coincided with the disco era.

The hostages were quite fit and nubile.

R261 Listen as a Christian, I wouldn’t want a fascist at my funeral. As a grieving family member, I wouldn’t want him there either. He is too destructive.

Not just destructive, the media would focus on his antics.

I’m really surprised this thread doesn’t have 600 replies by yesterday.

Me too

[QUOTE]The hostages were quite fit and nubile.

I thought nubile is used in reference to women.

r266, the DL thread from a year and half ago, when it was first announced that Carter was first going into hospice way longer than this.

I wonder if everything has been said between that thread and this one.

I'll say, though, one of my favorite types of DL threads is coming up-one about a nationally televised funeral and that will be Carter's Jan 9th.

R266 Maybe because there are something like a dozen threads on Carter.

Sick of hearing about it.

Really, R271? There's been so much other shit going on that its been buried in the headlines, especially with the incident in New Orleans today.

Stfu r272

Right back at you, R273.

Eat shit n die, trash

This thread coincided with the holidays, there is always a noticeable drop in traffic here over that period every year. The funeral thread will be well-visited.

Which world leaders have confirmed that they will attend the state funeral so far?

Our once & future favorite president has said he’ll be in attendance.

The Babylon Bee reported that despite the stories in the press to the contrary, the White House insists Jimmy Carter is still sharp and focused behind closed doors.

I hate to write it, but I doubt Carter's state funeral would draw either UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer or Prince William, or even Justin Trudeau.

It's not a state funeral for what was a serving US President.

If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to be pleased about that.

I left King Charles out because I'm guessing if the UK and the BRF decide to send their highest delegation, KC might send Prince William instead because of his health.

But again, I'd be surprised if Prince William or Charles attend.

Why would they?

[quote]Why would they?

Sheer diplomacy at a volatile time. The Felon seeing William at such an event would be seen in his mafioso little head as a mark of respect for the US, and all his maga-planned ways. Some sort of 'special relationship' might thus continue. If William has other commitments, the new UK Ambassador to the US Lord Mandelson is likely to show his face at such an important event. In fact he's likely to attend with or without William.

[quote] It's not a state funeral for what was a serving US President.

It is a state funeral.

Pancreatic cancer took the lives of most of his family. His father at 58, sister Ruth at 54, sister Gloria at 63 and brother Billy at 51. “The only difference between me and my siblings,” he said, “was that I never smoked a cigarette.” He added, “My daddy smoked regularly. All of them smoked.”

DEAD!

[quote]DEAD!

Did the coroner aver?

r284, my writing should have conveyed what I knew that Biden did declare it a state funeral.

I meant, and could be wrong, that a foreign country's decision on who to send may take into account whether the funeral is one for who formerly was in office- Carter served in the late 70s- with one who died while serving in office, which I think would merit whoever is head of state to be in attendance.

I'm certainly not the protocol or diplomacy police. For all I know, say, King Charles, the heads of state of many of the African countries that Carter helped, Macron all will be there.

It's hard to know whether Justin Trudeau will go. He does have a personal connection to Carter because his father & Carter served in office at the same time and because Carter went to his Dad's funeral in 2000, but Trudeau has a political crisis over his own future to decide right now.

I bet his mom tried to suck carter off

Lynda Carter alive!

How, though, I don’t know.

It’s a wonder, woman.

And, a gracious response:

[quote]President-elect Donald Trump reacted Friday to the U.S. flag being flown at half-staff during Inauguration Day, writing that "nobody wants to see this."

[quote]"The Democrats are all 'giddy' about our magnificent American Flag potentially being at 'half mast' during my Inauguration," the incoming president wrote on Truth Social. "They think it's so great, and are so happy about it because, in actuality, they don't love our Country, they only think about themselves." He added: "Look at what they've done to our once GREAT America over the past four years - It's a total mess! In any event, because of the death of President Jimmy Carter, the Flag may, for the first time ever during an Inauguration of a future President, be at half mast. Nobody wants to see this, and no American can be happy about it. Let's see how it plays out. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

Trump, a man utterly devoid of redeeming qualities.

R293, yet the right had no problem with flying the flag upside down on 1/6, like that traitor Samuel Alito and his cunt wife.

Trump's just doing his Aunt Sassy impression.

So the Commander-in-Chief (god help us) with all of his sycophants and staff to verify still doesn’t know the difference between half staff and half mast?

I didn’t think he could get any dumber. Next time I’ll estimate him instead of underestimating him.

With the Panama Canal back in the news, love this story, re-told by The Times's Peter Baker, about Carter's efforts to get a key vote needed to ratify the treaty. That senator was S. I. ("Sam") Hayakawa, a one-termer from California.

[quote] A colorful character, Mr. Hayakawa gave Mr. Carter a copy of a book on semantics that he had written. Mr. Carter, ever the dutiful student, read it that night, then called the senator the next day and demonstrated enough knowledge to prove that he really had.

[quote] That still was not enough, so finally, playing to senatorial vanity, Mr. Baker arranged to call Mr. Carter with Mr. Hayakawa listening to ask if the president needed to meet occasionally with the California senator to get his advice on foreign affairs. “I gulped, thought for a few seconds, and replied, ‘Yes, I really do!’ hoping God would forgive me,” Mr. Carter later wrote.

[quote] Jonathan Alter, author of “His Very Best,” a 2020 biography of Mr. Carter, wrote that Mr. Hayakawa wanted Mr. Carter to commit to meeting every two weeks. “Sam, I couldn’t possibly limit our visits to every two weeks,” Mr. Carter replied cleverly. “I might want to hear your advice more often!” Mr. Hayakawa signed onto the treaty and, as Mr. Alter wrote, “that was the last time S.I. Hayakawa ever spoke to Jimmy Carter.”

That Son-of-a Bitch Trump, who should be in federal prison along with other Americans currently there for possessing classified docs, and instead, mind-bogglingly, will have all the power of the US Presidency, and what the US Supreme Court pulled out of thin air and in the immunity decision and handed him, still is small enough to be pre-occupied with wanting to bitch about at flag at half-staff.

Fuck you, Americans who voted for this ignorant, insecure, POS.

R293, yet the right had no problem with flying the flag upside down on 1/6, like that traitor Samuel Alito and his cunt wife

VERGOGNA!

Right. They literally have no right to complain

CNN has been showing "Jimmy Carter: Rock and Roll President" and it's a great documentary. Try to watch it. You'll really get to know Mr. Jimmy.

watching it now

r298, that's an eye-opener. I didn't know that Carter lied while president and practiced deception with people who thought they were his friends. His public image is different than that.

I've been a supporter of his since he ran for POTUS. He was my first Presidential vote. I've read a lot of stuff, and one thing about the Carters that always made me smile, is that when he was first running for President in the Primary season, his campaign had no money. None. So he would often stay at people's houses as he traveled across the country campaigning. He was literally "Jimmy Who?" for a long time.

Out of the blue today I wanted to hear ‘’puff the magic dragon’’. Didn’t know there was a connection-Yarrow was pardoned hours before Carter left office. Not sure how I feel about that?

And when Carter lands in DC he will be met by the 15th company of the USNA , President Carters old company.

Well played.

Also something I just learned from watching CNN. Carter and Trump had a good relationahip. Trump calling him for advice.

Kind of surprised me.

[quote] Carter and Trump had a good relationahip. Trump calling him for advice.

I'd be very surprised if it happened more than once.

I’m so fucking tired of this shit

[QUOTE]I didn't know that Carter lied while president and practiced deception with people who thought they were his friends.

Hayakawa was a Republican, tam o shanter-wearing, one term joke who regularly napped on the Senate floor. He was a former English professor who arrogantly presumed he had sufficient knowledge and experience in geopolitics and foreign policy to demand a meeting with the POTUS every two weeks. Carter played the scenario perfectly.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will attend Jimmy Carter's funeral:

Blanche “lust in his heart” Devereaux would attend if she could.

I hope I'm wrong.

I worry that the images of Carter lying in state in the Rotunda will show sparse lines.

R314 how were the lines when you were there? People flew in from all over the country yesterday so they could stand outside in the freezing weather waiting for the old midshipman to pass by.

Are there other things you worry about?

How's the view from your scolding moral high horse, 315?

I noted when the state funeral was announced, before those terrible LA fires, that from on optics standpoint, if I were a Carter family member, I'd wonder there would be no lines to pay respects when he lies in state the rotunda.

And I stand by that question.

Anyone else pay their respects to someone lying in state at the Capitol Rotunda? As a midwestern, 20-year old, Senate intern new to the job, I paid my respects to Hubert Humphrey in 1978. When I subsequently expressed my unhappiness with the lack of Black faces in line similarly paying their respects for an early civil rights champion, a fellow intern, a white woman from Maine, responded by saying maybe Black people didn’t think Humphrey did enough. I let her know how little I thought of that argument.

It’s not the opening of a Marvel film. People who want to pay their respects will get their chance. So what if the lines aren’t long.

It's only been open to the public since 8:30 yesterday evening. You can't really judge lines yet.

It’s colder than fuck in that damn city.

I would genuinely like to go but since my brother lives in the ass end of the dmv, it’s impossible for me to get there. No fucking metro stations within a half hour or 45 min drive.

The Carter family lived next-door for almost 13 years.

yeah, deep freeze weather

R321 tell us stories?

Gwen and I were inseparable from rag dolls through braziers r323

Then one day Carter turned into such a pest

I didn’t cry when granny died. She made me so depressed.

I got to the capitol about 11:00 this morning. A long line of people waiting but it only took about an hour to get into the rotunda. Very moving being there. Worth any wait.

Grateful for your post, r327.

R127 speak for yourself