In a course of two days, extreme anti-Indian bigotry has become platformed and is exploding

Dogs. Fleas, Vivek. Dogs, fleas.

I still find it utterly delusional of people like Ramaswamy who think they're somehow exempt or will be embraced by people whose entire identity and world view is white superiority.

He's the classic insecure person who covers with bluster and arrogance, but secretly (or not so secretly) desperately wants the approval and validation from the people to whom he feels inferior.

Did he give up on Making India Tolerable For Once? A billion people shitting in their streets make San Francisco look like Disneyland. No wonder they want those visas.

JD Vance, with his Indian wife and 3 biracial kids, one named Vivek, has been awfully quiet and is now going even quieter.

They sweat curry and they stink, they don't use deodorant.

[quote]JD Vance, with his Indian wife and 3 biracial kids, one named Vivek, has been awfully quiet and is now going even quieter.

LOL - until I read this, I had completely forgotten that Vance will be vice president.

From sofa fucker to vice president in his own lifetime.

Only in America...and I don't mean that in the good way.

[quote]JD Vance, with his Indian wife and 3 biracial kids, one named Vivek, has been awfully quiet and is now going even quieter.

MAGA World hates Vance too.

Will the sofa be Second Lady?

[Quote] MAGA World hates Vance too.

It wouldn’t surprise me. Vance recognized and condemned the moronic element of MAGA before rolling over for it because it took over the entire Republican party.

More than that, R5… he’s the President-in-waiting behind a not especially healthy 78 year old with shit nutrition and a mountain of anger issues.

Nothing to add-just soaking in all this good stuff-keep it comin…

I just wish they’d stop calling me and telling me they are from Medicare.

But I like their cuisine.

People hate Indians because they’re the face of shitty customer service and declining service quality in general. Frankly I find them mostly to be rude and authoritarian in temperament.

🍿 🥂 🍾.

There's good reason why Nikki Haley changed her name.

[quote]The last time I saw a mass public embrace of bigotry against a foreign ethnic group it was because some of them flew some airplanes into lower Manhattan.

You're blatantly lying. Everyone saw just this year the mass public embrace by the left of bigotry against Israeli Jews.

Israeli Jews are white though.

Oh, no, a comedian made an ethnic joke! How will we survive??

I used to work for a small consulting company. The two principals were real road warriors, and would happily get on a plane and go anywhere in the world to drum up new business.

They never complained about any place they went until they both went to Mumbai, India. They called every day with stories of the disgusting things they were seeing, smelling, experiencing on a daily basis, including seeing rats the size of small dogs. And they both absolutely refused any food or drink outside of the American brand hotel where they stayed.

Get a life, OP. No tech dude wants you.

[quote]They sweat curry and they stink, they don't use deodorant.

This is gross and ignorant, just stop, you sound like an ignorant MAGA redneck.

Some of these are incredible to read. Bad incredible, not good incredible.

A "dawg eatin Korean" talking shit about duh blacks and injuns.

Anyone who likes Indians obviously hasn’t lived in a city they’ve invaded. Most of them are real assholes. They even push and shove the elderly and many of them smell like BO. I wish they just smelled like curry.

Is this why I saw a video on Reddit about the shit festival in India? It's like that charming tomato festival in Italy, except disgusting and horrific.

Back in "Chaos and Hate" mode with the Second Coming of Orange Jesus.

As was expected by everyone who knows what it's like to deal with the mentally ill.

This situation will only worsen after his inauguration because narcissistic sociopaths are unwilling and incapable of doing anything to calm a storm. They enjoy fighting and upset.

Maga is in no position to criticize others

Never go to India, stinks, the kids run after you to beg for money, the cows roam freely, and some of them so poor and yet this country has the money for nuclear weapons etc.

They absolutely smell...try riding the subway with them in the summer time.

Just popping in to share that when I visited India, I sucked off my Taj Mahal tour guide.

Good these stipid Indians all voted for Trump. That's exactly what they deserve.

Mumbai is a miserable place because it's poor, r17. It's not because Indian people are terrible and love filthy living conditions. Everything they said about Mumbai could be said about Sao Paulo or Nairobi.

[quote] still find it utterly delusional of people like Ramaswamy who think they're somehow exempt or will be embraced by people whose entire identity and world view is white superiority.

As far as he’s concerned, he is white.

“Pajeet” and “street shitter” have been a part of magat vocabulary for a while now.

Vance’s job is just to collect the dark money and make sure as much of Project 2025 gets implemented in the background as possible. He doesn’t care about being the cuck in this Donald-Elon marriage.

Vivek is a stock scam artist who will always have street cred with Trump. Why wasn't he ever prosecuted? Under whose administration did this happen? Light needs shining on all of this, let the chips fall where they may.

This isn't fair, I admit, but anyone who has worked with Indian customers in a retail setting probably harbors some animosity toward Indians as a group. They are the most difficult customers to please, and they lie constantly and run retail scams. I'd rather watch thieves just walk out of the store with unpaid merchandise than deal with Indians who lied to my face and pocketed money by returning "free after rebate" merchandise.

From explanations I've read, it's that many Indians only respect those who have money. Service workers are seen as below them - the unskilled workers of the lowest caste.

Of course having a caste system supports these ideas. And before anyone says that the caste system was abolished - it's still fucking there and in the mindsets.

It's 50/50 with me - I've met so many wonderful Indian-Americans, but direct Indians has been a very mixed bag.

If they are so smart why didn't they fix their own country?

That’s true, R36. An Indian coworker explained just that to me. Apparently, it’s also a badge of honor amongst Indian families to have children living and working in places like the US. There’s an assumption that you’re rich. The same coworker said her brother, who’s still in India, assumed she owned her home and didn’t have a mortgage because she has such a high paying job. When in reality her job is around $100k and she’s knee deep in debt like the rest of us.

R37 - they're too busy blaming British colonialism. Reality is - they maintained the Indian princely states and paid so much of the national economy to these princes, that they couldn't move forward. They finally stopped that around 1970.

One major issue is over population - nobody is advocating the one-child policy of China - but it did have some benefits. Who knows what China would be like without that policy and hundreds of millions more people?

Another is literacy. It's a massive country - but they could do it. But they have the caste system and a lot of corruption.

How do you get people to care for each other when it's built-into society that a large percentage of people are lower caste and BELONG there?

Indians who come to America are from rich families back home.

Indians have stayed under the radar in the US until a vehemently white supremacist cult has taken over in the I US and complains about all brown people.

Indians have the highest incomes in the US for a minority group. They’re smart as fuck. Now we’re seeing them becoming CEOs, politicians, actors, prominent lawyers, etc.

No wonder white trash is feeling threatened.

Can’t believe I am saying this but MAGA is not 100% wrong on their side of the H-1B visa program debate, and about Indians specifically.

The program is MASSIVELY abused. Under-experienced Indians are brought over here as alleged needed specialists. In reality they did some quick-ass certification work but do not actually know how to do the job. Their code is bug-ridden. They get paid a fraction of what an experienced programmer would get paid. They often get terminated when the shit-quality deadline driven project is met.

Experienced and highly competent programmers are made, not born, and it takes more educational investment than the tech sector is apparently willing to invest.

Welcome to MAGA, where everyone hates each other and nothing gets done. Hope they have another speaker fight to kick off 2025.

R35 I’ve heard that many pros refuse to take Indian clients

“They’re taking away American jobs!!”

Meanwhile Indians are doctors, lawyer, engineers, programmers—all of which take decades of schooling and training

[Quote] I’ve heard that many pros refuse to take Indian clients

Which would be ridiculous because Indians are Americans wealthiest minority

This is typical where MAGA wants everything to be American but they don’t want to go to college because they would have to study.

r44 I am not surprised.

My mom is in a memory care facility and one of the other residents is Indian. His daughter treats the aides, who are mainly Black, like servants. It's rather appalling. I feel bad for the aides, because who wants to be treated that way, especially in a job where they already don't make a lot of money?

There’s a bit difference between immigrant Indians and Indian-Americans.

In typical MAGA and DL fashion, we are clumping the two. The former has typical immigrant characteristics

[Quote] His daughter treats the aides, who are mainly Black, like servants.

White Americans, of course, treat Black aides like royalty….

Elon is so charming

“The reason I’m in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B,” Musk wrote in the original X post. “Take a big step back and FUCK YOURSELF in the face. I will go to war on this issue the likes of which you cannot comprehend.”

Thing is, there are Americans who are perfectly capable of doing these jobs, and anyone who tells you this issue isn't about cheaper labor is lying.

Wow.

r50 you know very little about Indian culture.

I was going to look up the info about MAGATs spewing anti-Indian hate, but I didn't have to. DLers have spewed enough hate to cover all of the MAGAT nonsense.

[quote]Welcome to MAGA, where everyone hates each other and nothing gets done. Hope they have another speaker fight to kick off 2025.

They're going to.

Not all immigrants are the same. I’m happy to welcome Filipinos, Chinese. Africans and people from the Caribbean but Indians are assholes.

"Just popping in to share that when I visited India, I sucked off my Taj Mahal tour guide."

Thank you, r28.

I'm with the MAGAt cult on this one---but only on the part about immigration policy not being set by capitalists, not on the part about Indians ruining our country. I actually like all of Indians I know, even though I have a relatively low opinion of much of the "leadership" class in the country itself. Most of the Indians I know are eclectic, interesting, and open---they hate rote learning and testing culture, and prize critical thinking. However, I'm not in tech.

Agree, r57. I am surrounded by them where I live. And it's not just their poor personal hygiene...they are utterly vile in character and comportment also.

Property values are way down in areas they have flooded. Take Brampton for instance, a city in Canada where homes are worth at least 25% less than the rest of the greater city area. When you get them in large numbers, they also do other shit, like import their third. world grudges and conflicts too, as we've seen here on several occasions. I'm sure cities in the UK are largely the same.

Other non white races can't stand being around them either.

Indians, like Russians and Chinese are universally loathed. This didn't happen the last two days.

Indians are pushy, crass, conniving, deceitful, entitled, and have delusions of grandeur about their worth. Then men are creepy and ugly and the women are bitchy and ugly. Ok Aishwarya Rai and Priyanka Chopra are, but that's two in almost 1 billion.

Some in America, especially young males, think they are actually WHITE too,

OH AND THE BODY ODOR. Even Russians and Chinese can't claim that.

The wealthiest in the country troll needs to give it a rest. Asians (not South Asian) were the "model minority" forever and this country still normalizes racism against them. Don't think OTHER people's money and OTHER people's titles exempt from being brown.

People will always look at you and wonder "gosh how bad do they smell" and hope they don't have to stand in line or sit on a plane next to you.

[quote]Mumbai is a miserable place because it's poor, [R17]. It's not because Indian people are terrible and love filthy living conditions. Everything they said about Mumbai could be said about Sao Paulo or Nairobi.

R30 before I retired, I worked for 30+ years for an international, nonprofit health organization e.g. International Red Cross. I've been to every place you could imagine in Asia, Africa and Latin America. From my experience and perspective, you are wrong. Sao Paulo and Nairobi are much, much better places than Mumbai. While each has their slums/favelas, etc, Mumbai has no redeeming neighborhoods. The wealthy live inside walled compounds surrounded on all sides by filth. I did meet and work with some wonderful Indian staff, but most had left India for other countries. The filth permeated every corner of the city, and the overpopulation only increased the problem. Add the heat and humidity (India was the hottest country I ever visited - hotter than some Saharan Africa countries), and the environment was simply unbearable.

I have worked in tech for 20 years and have been around h1b and offshore indians most of the time. They are focused on advancement. I was asked constantly how long have I worked where I am, why I was not a manager etc...Most of them do have BO, they don't shower as often and wear very heavy clothes. I saw one guy just get up and say I am going for a run...full dressed in slacks, a sweater vest and button down. Comes back and hour later smelling worse. They do not like to be interrupted. They will speak and not stop until they get their words out. They do not think you are right, they are always right,

If we didn’t have Indian workers where will all the MDs and PhD’s come from exactly?

ALL of middle America’s doctors are Indian. No white doctor will work in a rural, shitty town. All those tech guys coming over are PhDs. PhD’s that was received elsewhere and America is benefitting from without having to pay for. SpaceX is all PhDs.

Those idiot “I can do that job!” MAGAts barely got past 8th grade.

[Quote] Property values are way down in areas they have flooded.

Indians live all around SF, LA, NYC in the wealthy suburbs, those property values are through the roof

[Quote] Then men are creepy and ugly and the women are bitchy and ugly. Ok Aishwarya Rai and Priyanka Chopra are, but that's two in almost 1 billion.

White Americans are just as creepy and ugly. Ok Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie aren’t …

Indians have done more to advance America than MAGA ever has

Stop acting like this program is for high achievers r65

This is being abused to import shitty workers to drive down wages

Legalized scabbing

They are even more worthless than MAGA.

Anyone who has ever had an Indian doctor knows they care zero about their patients. That's why they are stuck working for low paying hospitals like the Kaiser Permanente group or in underserved community. Upper middle and upper class Americans find other doctors.

As for SF, LA, and NYC property values, they are high no matter wherever you are. Many Indians can afford to live their because they move their entire families into a house.

The Indians are the wealthiest troll only shows how insecure Indians truly are; they think money shields them from being, well, unwanted by the rest of the world.

R67 Are you the wealthy Indian troll. Ain't no world where 9.9 out of 10 people will chose an Indian over a white. Male or female. Rich or poor.

[Quote] Stop acting like this program is for high achievers [R65]. This is being abused to import shitty workers to drive down wages.

That’s BS. The vast majority are rather high achievers. Sure there are examples of some in areas where there are shortages, but the vast majority are in professions that Americans cannot do

[Quote] Are you the wealthy Indian troll. Ain't no world where 9.9 out of 10 people will chose an Indian over a white. Male or female. Rich or poor.

There are no white people who are qualified to do the jobs Indians are in America doing

[Quote] Anyone who has ever had an Indian doctor knows they care zero about their patients. That's why they are stuck working for low paying hospitals like the Kaiser Permanente group or in underserved community. Upper middle and upper class Americans find other doctors.

It has nothing to do with Indian doctors caring or not. It has to do with white doctors not wanting to work in underserved communities.

R73 LOL Ok Rahul, thanks for the laugh.

[Quote] The Indians are the wealthiest troll only shows how insecure Indians truly are; they think money shields them from being, well, unwanted by the rest of the world.

It’s not about whether they are wanted or not; it’s about whether they are needed. Just like Americans won’t do the jobs illegals do. Americans can’t do the jobs Indians are imported to do. If Americans would do them, we wouldn’t have to look outside the country to find others

R72 go to the H1B website and look at all the jobs like “truck driver”

[Quote] LOL Ok Rahul, thanks for the laugh.

If Americans could do those jobs, Americans would be hired.

Keep pretending American docs will work in deep rural areas and will get PhDs to work in SpaceX

[Quote] go to the H1B website and look at all the jobs like “truck driver”

Again, there are a few jobs that are for low skilled but the vast majority are for skilled work.

If there’s Truck driver, it means an American won’t do it

R77 You are only proving people's point about why Indians are annoying and unlikeable. But that is a typical Indian for you.

You are cheap slave labor, even at higher incomes, and nothing less. Your neighbors in wealthy neighbors want to sell ASAP which is why Indians take over once desirable neighborhoods. They will take your slave labor money and run far away.

I've always been attracted to Indian guys. I think some of them are very good looking.

[Quote] You are only proving people's point about why Indians are annoying and unlikeable.

I’m not Indian. I’m a white guy with German/Irish heritage.

Suddenly I’m not going to be called annoying and unlikable-just opinionated

R81 Except for Magic Mike (who is absolute doll), most are no bigger than 5 inches and come in 45 seconds. They have no passion or fire and are super weird in bed. It's like they shut down mentally. Gave them a shot because I'm fair, but once you've been with enough of them like that, it must be them not you.

The truth is White Americans hate brown people. Because they’re lazy as shit, Whites take the most coveted jobs and leave the rest of the work for whomever will do it.

Since Whites have worked hard to exclude Blacks from education, they have to rely on foreign workers to fill spots—Indian docs and tech workers, Filipino nurses, Chinese mathematicians, and on and on.

America has the world greatest economy precisely because of its immigrants, not because of its native populations.

It’s laughable that America would hope to compete in the modern world without Indian and other such foreign labor,

[Quote] Except for Magic Mike (who is absolute doll), most are no bigger than 5 inches and come in 45 seconds. They have no passion or fire and are super weird in bed.

Tell me you’ve never had sex with an Indian without telling me

R82 Just like Patel calling from Hyderabad and saying "Hello, I am Madison calling from the IRS!"

LOL. Indians being Indians, or Germans, and wealthy doctors caring for LouAnn Briggs Myers in Butthole, Texas with their PhD.

R85 I actually have because I live in the Bay Area, but tell yourself whatever you lie you need to. Most are closet cases because they can't be shamed by their family.

Almost all of American’s economic boom did because of immigrants. Immigrants are the machine behind new businesses.

Native Americans are lazy fucks who can’t count to 10

[Quote] I actually have because I live in the Bay Area, but tell yourself whatever you lie you need to. Most are closet cases because they can't be shamed by their family.

Tell me you’ve never haven’t had sex with an Indian without telling me

I’ve worked with lots of Indians over the years and have liked all of them. Zero issues. Smart, interesting, kind people.

When Kamala became the nominee, I asked a couple Indian work friends if they were excited to have the first Indian president. They both said no in unison. Said they were concerned her Indian heritage would draw the attention/anger of MAGA. Turns out , they were right.

R88 Stop adding other immigrant groups to your Indians are all Wealthy PhDs. WE DON'T WANT YOU EITHER!

[Quote] Just like Patel calling from Hyderabad and saying "Hello, I am Madison calling from the IRS!"

And Americans are so stupid they actually fall for it!

Got to rush to the CVS to buy gift cards and tell the IRS the numbers!!

R90 Yes ALL INDIANS YOU'VE WORKED WITH had absolutely zero issues. OK RAHUL!

[Quote] Stop adding other immigrant groups to your Indians are all Wealthy PhDs. WE DON'T WANT YOU EITHER

America would be a backwater without brown immigrants

Elon Musk depends on Indian brains for all his companies—Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter.

He has to because America could add two numbers together let alone send spaceships into the sky

R94 Again, other brown people don't like Indians either. Don't include us with you.

R95 Elon Musk likes Indians who pedestalize white men and will do whatever they tell them to do.

I’ve mainly worked with Indian Americans—every one of them smart and diligent. They often went to great colleges because their first-generation parents emphasized education.

My best boss in fact was Indian American.

[Quote] Elon Musk likes Indians who pedestalize white men and will do whatever they tell them to do.

Oh sure, Americans just don’t want to work for him. Otherwise they’re just as educated and talented….sure keep telling yourself that

[Quote] Again, other brown people don't like Indians either. Don't include us with you.

Other brown people would never find a white doctor. They are thrilled Indians will care for them

R100 Actually, no. You are talking about your shitting on the streets ass Naveentar.

Goodbye stinky Indian, enjoy your smelly night in Brampton or Fremont. Does your narcissistic Mom know you suck white dick at the Tesla bathroom?

R14, you guys on the right voted for a guy who said "The Jews are to blame if I lose" and has a book of Hitler speeches

[quote]If we didn’t have Indian workers where will all the MDs and PhD’s come from exactly?

Absolutely. Don't you dare touch my Indian doctor who allows me to be totally naked for my physicals. No stupid gowns.

Oh look the Indian is talking to himself pretending he is a white guy!

Tell me your Indian without telling me you're INDIAN!

[Quote] Tell me your Indian without telling me you're INDIAN!

Oh. Dear.

That great American education in display

Oh an INDIAN pretending to be a GRAMMAR queen.

"Hello, this is Marshall, I am calling you from the GRAMMAR POLICE in La Jolla, California? How is your Indian doctor and Tesla Engineer today? Do you know what America would be without INDIANS?"

I'm a white American whose family dates back to the Mayflower. I have worked with Indian-Americans all my life and can say with 100% conviction that I have never met a more superior person than all of my Indian-American coworkers. I'm so glad my ancestors came to this country so that I could be around when INDIANS MADE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

iMAGAT!!!

Not even Trump can get MAGA voters to switch to wanting to hire foreign workers instead of Americans. It would be a complete betrayal to explicitly support foreign workers over Americans.

Me, too, r98.

Me, three R111!

Me, four R112

I noticed you rarely see east asians -- who have a longer history in the US aligning themselves with racist or right wingers. Indians/south asians are super weird, creepy, and self loathing.

Me, as well R113, but I'm American so I can't count. Where is the Indian when you need them??????

R114 Don't forget SMELLY.

R114, most Indians I know are liberal — to an extent.

But they come from a caste system so when they see poor people behaving as poor people will sometimes do, they may just see loathsome lower caste behavior, not the result of poverty and a lack of education or opportunity.

The ability to see unlimited potential in every person is *supposed* to be a hallmark of America. We certainly see it more than is seen in southwest Asia, but we are creeping closer and closer to that social stratification.

[QUOTE]The last time I saw a mass public embrace of bigotry against a foreign ethnic group it was because some of them flew some airplanes into lower Manhattan

Don't forget the China virus episode, OP. There was a huge upswing in bigotry and attacks. One woman stabbed a Chinese student on a Bloomington, Indiana bus.

Canada already hates Indians. It's just what happens when a minority ethnic group rises in visibility.

The problem with Indians is that they think they are right just because and deserve to be treated. Blacks, Latinos, and Asians in large part acknowledge that some of the prejudice against them is based on some universal experience that unfortunately is identified with their group.

Indians think their sh*t don't stink... which we all know isn't true. The Indian troll here is a prime example of that.

I work for an Indian company and the Indian work culture is brutal. They will work you to death, and after you die will step over your body and replace you without blinking an eye

It’s all yes m’am, yes sir. Nobody goes against the grain and your immediate boss will never ever stick up for their team.

It’s quite frankly a hellhole

R120 Won't happen. Indians will never be leaders as they follow their white masters. Even the ones like Vivek are just puppets.

Even in the Bay Area rarely will you see Indians in leadership roles and they are all over the place here. I've worked with Indians in a non-tech, but professional role, and more often than not they crash and burn once they are challenged to go beyond what they've memorized and/or plagiarized in school.

R12 That’s actually false. Theyre really nice and friendly. I just hate them in customer service cause they follow a script and yea they can speak English but aren’t fluent enough to move past the script. I’m talking phone customer service obviously. I’ve cussed a many tot them out and then apologized after.

r121 A lot of the CEOs of top US tech companies are headed by Indian born people though.

R119 Indians are the Sheila Jackson Lee of ethnic groups.

“I am a QUEEN and deserve to be treated like one!”

Some, not a lot. Indians may think they are a lot, but they are rare. Leadership also goes beyond CEOs, who are effectively unicorns and have demonstrated the ability to be a true leader. Your typical Indian HIB is a worker be who follows orders and works twice as hard and long to get promoted to senior slave professional labor positions. They are good and being told what to do and kissing ass.

Most self-respecting American workers would rather not be wealthy if being a slave for someone like Musk is what it takes. Or they start their own ventures. Again, not something an HIB will do.

Enough with the 1% of us means the 99% of us are just like them. Especially when that's almost a billion of you.

Yall sound racist as fuck. I’m sick of it. People don’t make this mass generalizations about white men in leadership positions.

R125 And you’re wrong. And that’s probably why w Elise the election. Most people would be a “slave” to Musk if it meant being wealthy.

Kamala Harris is half Indian you dumb ignorant bitches. You wouldn’t say racist things about black people so why Indians?

Btw her jokes are funny. I’m guessing she is part Indian.

R126 But they actually do. Indians just have a hard time being told they're not special.

They are creepy and weird. Yet think they are gods. Not racist, it's pretty much what people with any significant exposure to them think based on experience... US, UK, Middle East, and Thailand. Just like Russians and Chinese in those same places. They take their horrible cultural norms and think everyone is supposed to love them.

R128 Kamala Harris has always promoted her blackness over her Indianness. But for all intents and purposes she is white.

Until 2024, Indians didn't claim her and blacks still don't.

R128 But they actually do. Americans are still racist as AF, helloooo. Look at who our new president is and the tools here promoting his boy Elon are true idiots just because he enslaves some of them and gives them a chance at wealth working 80-100 hours for $300,000 when some white Influencer on Instagram can do that just by posting pics and vids of themselves every other day.

This whore is funny. I know that. Balding ass bitch. Here she is ragging on the Jews.

R130 the Germans and the Israelis are the WORST for this.

Thought they should be included in your list of truly awful nationalities abroad

R134 Stop dragging other people into Indians' self-created dislike. Israelis are another horrendous bunch, truly arrogant and confrontational, but they prefer to colonize rather than escape to faraway lands where they bring their Third World shithole mentalities and odors.

R131 stfu. You don’t know that to be true. Someone who looks like Kamala Harris is socialized as black growing up. Indian Americans are less than 2% of the population. It’s not a matter of promoting one race over the other. You just are living and breathing. To me she has what’s done both. People anger her to act like she didn’t cook curry because she is black.

R136 Go to bed Rahul. Elon expects to you log on by 4am tomorrow so you can make him more money.

As evidenced by this thread. America already has more than enough hateful racist assholes - we’re full

Hateful racist assholes who feel liberated to spew forth their hate since 5th November.

Growing numbers on the DL, unfortunately.

[quote] Thing is, there are Americans who are perfectly capable of doing these jobs, and anyone who tells you this issue isn't about cheaper labor is lying.

Exactly. America was founded on slavery. They want to bring it back but under a different name and hide behind bullshit saying that they’re actually trying to help people.

I’ve had good luck with Air BnBs. Until I stayed in one in a major Australian city. It was in a 2 year old apartment building that had for tenants many freshly arrived Indian migrants* .

Guys, they treated that place like a dump. Cigarette butts, used tissues and crushed up pieces of paper thrown off balconies. Bags of trash left in the carpeted corridors outside their front doors. Someone’s cat darted out of their flat and was pawing through someone else’s garbage. When rubbish was taken to the chute on that floor it was frequently unbagged. I saw a woman emptying a pot on uneaten food directly into it, smearing sauce on the interior of the chute.

This was in spite of signage everywhere instructing tenants on the regulations on the building.

*I hasten to add that these were not regular folks of Indian descent who had been the in country for some time and figured out the local customs.

Were they poorer and less educated, r141?

No, they were middle-class. Typically mostly educated Indians (and their spouses etc) get visas here.

My assumption is the city they are from in India didn’t have regular garbage collection so they just did the same in Australia.

Another thing is they talked down to the building manager and security guards as if they were servants, which in Australia is a huge faux pas.

R141 That sounds like our Indian neighbors below us who we asked to be quiet at almost midnight. It was a family of 5 in a one bedroom (Husband, wife, baby, and parents of one of the husband and wife).

The wife got super confrontational and accused us of throwing trash all over their patio when it had been sitting there for weeks (much to our dismay).

Typical liars and I have no problem calling them out for their BS. Call me racist, but listen to the Indian troll blatantly racist against Americans of all colors, especially whites. It's a racist country, might as well not dance around it.

Oh, and in case the educated wealthy Indian troll pretending to be German/Irish/Plutonian comes back, the family with trash above drove a BMW and rented out their unit for $3,000/month.

We had a SOuth Asian package thief in our building. She didn't live here but came over to watch the grandchildren and would typically walk off with as many packages as she could.

This whole thread is a perfect example of the thread title.

R15 Have you been to Israel? Lol.

[quote] That’s BS. The vast majority are rather high achievers. Sure there are examples of some in areas where there are shortages, but the vast majority are in professions that Americans cannot do

There are no jobs Americans cannot do. I will allow that Indians are more motivated to achieve, to pursue education and to get credentials than Americans. Americans are more lazy than dumb.

People are tikka'd off.

I don't care for Indians. Individuals no doubt are lovely and gracious human beings, but eh. "Bobby," "Nikki," Vivek---no. Cannot abide foodie Padma. Love their entire sub-continental cuisine, though.

But then, I'm a misanthrope, so pretty much any nationality is not my cup of tea, especially my own (American).

Yes, r7! How divan!

And yet, r30, nobody prior to your post praised Sao Paulo or Nairobi, or claimed that India was unique in the "filth" category.

R147, Have you heard of "castes"?

So they get rid of the visas, and magats in Bumfuck die from having no doctors - it’s a win-win.

In America, they eat chickens and keep dogs as pets!

India is home to a very ancient and rich culture. Outstanding art and architecture, amazing music, incredible dance. Literature, poetry, and philosophy have been highly developed for at least a couple of millenia. They are not wrong to consider many other cultures to be upstarts in comparison. The caste system was and is a huge negative. British colonization of and domination of India was a bad and brutal thing, and brought many evils to the culture which didn't exist before, such as institutionalized homophobia, besides impoverishing a country which in the 16th century was probably the richest in the world. However, the preexisting caste system guaranteed that wealth was highly concentrated in the hands of a few. Now there is a rush to create a thriving middle class. For many, this means embracing the worst characteristics of capitalism, including making the acquisition of money and material possessions the most important goal in life.

Percentage-wise, there are just as many intelligent Americans as there are Indians. But, if 34 million Americans are intelligent and well-educated (1/10th of the population), the equivalent in India would be 150,000,000 well-educated and intelligent people. There are also many more unintelligent and poorly educated people there (by the numbers).

It's not really a surprise that ambitious Indian people are trying hard to get work in the US, where money and opportunity are easier to obtain. But it is likely that in the next 30 years, India will surpass the US in GDP, (as will China).

I don't like the language that people like Vivek and Elon are using to promote the idea of Indian intellectual superiority - but I also think that, at this snapshot in time, there are more trained engineers and internet technology people in India than in the US, so they could potentially fill the void in those rapidly expanding fields. By handling this situation so poorly, and using such stupid language. Vivek and Elon have almost guaranteed that there will be an ugly backlash against any Indian workers hired in the US over the next several years.

A friend who specialized in Indian history told me that the attitude displayed by many Indians in the US stems from their status as Brahims. There is a sense of entitlement baked into their entire existence.

R120, the work culture you describe is not exclusive to Indians.

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r159 *brahmins

(Shouldn't post on DL before coffee.)

Maybe those brilliant Indian minds can work on their country's needs, not America's, emphasis on: sewerage and plumbing; water and air pollution; roads and transportation in general; like, a combined Eisenhower-Biden approach to civil improvement.

Slight digression: A couple movies aside, Americans in general are not about to embrace a culture of "Bollywood" films and multiple gods from a land with a history to which we cannot relate and don't learn about in school. We are not the UK. We put up with Indian-based (and Filipino) "Customer Service" because we have no choice.

I say this as one who collects Moghul-style art and thinks the Taj Mahal is the world's most beautiful work of architecture, with a rival only in Notre Dame de Paris pre-fire.

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If you watch this video, you will understand why dealing with Indians in retail/customer service settings is so maddening.

r41

[quote]No wonder white trash is feeling threatened.

And members here on the DL too.

R169 lmao them all smiling is taking me out. make america great again!

R158 I hear tech companies are having a hard time addressing caste discrimination internally - because Indians who are doing it to lower caste coworkers will just say it's racist to even say that India is still affected by the caste system, meanwhile to any other Indian they go out of their way to touch their back to feel for the brahmin cord or whatever. And if you are low caste you will be treated like a piece of shit slave with no humanity and there's nothing you'll be able to do about it.

I have 3 doctors on my care team who are from India. One travels back to India regularly. All 3 are great to work with and are accomplished in their specialty.

r171 my university recently added "caste" as a protected class (eg, they cannot discriminate on the basis of gender, gender expression/identity, race, class, veteran status, sexual orientation, pregnancy, caste, etc).

It seemed odd to me in a sense. It's almost like imposing American values of equality onto a culture that is inherently unequal. (I know that American society is also inherently unequal; but the same people pushing for the inclusion of "caste" on the list would turn around and condemn "white feminists" for pointing out that the hijab is sexist.)

It was either John Rawls or Ronald Dworkin who wrote about the tensions that arise when a tolerant society accommodates subsets of that society that are intolerant.

Well, I guess DL has its own "Great Replacement Theory."

R173, is your university not in America?

Indian independence leaders and many regular people spent the 20th century fighting against the caste system. They made it illegal. No one from America forced them to do this.

It is in America, r175

To everyone defending Indians, I give you Bobby Jindahl.

"but the same people pushing for the inclusion of "caste" on the list would turn around and condemn "white feminists" for pointing out that the hijab is sexist.)"

Cynical accusations of ethnocentrism for thee, not for me.

I just pointed out that the anti-caste movement didn't come from outside India, but neither did anti-hijab movements. You're likely 100% right that some of the people who pushed to get caste included in anti-discrimination rules think that various bans on the hijab in public places is Nazi-level oppression.

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Sorry, but it is not a lack of skilled workers. It is two things Cheaper labor and indentured servitude. When you get someone on an H1b visa, they cannot leave the company. They are stuck at least paid less for three years than their American co-workers. I used to work at a very large networking company that offshored almost its entire support because it was cheaper. Suddenly their code was showing up in Chinese routers, their customer satisfaction was in the toilet and their stock took a hit, Companies could have US based support, they just don't want to have to pay a fair wage, 401k, health insurance etc to them.

It all comes down to getting cheap labor.

When my brother was dying of kidney failure his doctors were Indian and super compassionate and responsive to his needs. I worked for years with four Indian guys and one Indian woman and they were some of my favorite co-workers. Granted this is the midwest and maybe not so competitive.

It's always so refreshing when there is a thread about Indians on the DL. It always reminded that right under the surface many White Americans are racist fucks.

At least the MAGAts have the decency to be honest about their hatred which, in a way, is far less insidious and far less scary.

The rest of YOU (not ALL of you), well, unless the issue allows you to performatively clutch your pearls as you sit atop your moral high horse are full of shit and you show your racist side in a heart beat. Remember BLM (performative pearl clutching), "The Chinese Flu" (more performative pearl clutching), Haitians eat cats (even more performative pearl clutching). Yet you come to the DL, under the cloak of anonymity, and spew your vitriol when there's no overt reason to "embrace diversity".

I am not a right winger or patriotic. But lets nip in the bud immigrants moving to the USA or any country and talking down on the locals. I see this less in other countries-- but it happens in the USA all the time. Americans who do this are accused of "arrogant and ugly Americans."

If Indians are so smart why can't they make their country developed?? Reminds me of this eastern European talking down the USA saying he was concerned about American students in Massachusetts not using metric. This was in relation to space travel too. I was like dude--- your country doesn't have a space program and you are talking about a USA state with prestigious universities. WTF?

r183 I would back down on your BS. India and China are shamelessly racist. The racism they deal in the west pales in comparison.

Raj Bhavsar, the gymnast, is a great American.

R159 - this is true. It's the Indian version of British aristocracy. They believe it is a birthright, through bloodlines, and thus they're naturally elevated in social standing from those not born into the lineages. Quite archaic, and rigidly believed in.

[quote] If Indians are so smart why can't they make their country developed??

Why can’t they do better than winning only two individual gold medals ever in the history of the modern Olympics (zero in 2024)? They have over a billion people to select from.

r188 That too. LOL.

[quote]It's always so refreshing when there is a thread about Indians on the DL. It always reminded that right under the surface many White Americans are racist fucks.

An Indian couple who own a liquor store near me recently told me that their cruise vacation was ruined by the presence of "too many blacks".

You obvious know little about the world if you think white Americans are the racist ones.

Dot or feather?

R183, curious---are you talking about the undeniable racism in some of the posts here, or do you think that anyone who opposes the tech capitalist claim that we "need" Indians is racist?

r191 casino or call center?

I work in Edison NJ where the Indian population has absolutely exploded in the past 25 years. From like 10% of the population to 50% of the population. BOOM. This is most extreme in Edison and neighboring Iselin.

It does feel strange to walk around these towns and see a suburban town structurally "New Jersey American" but actually embodied by people who moved here from India, within one generation mostly. I work in an office building there, and the adjoining 6 story building has a bunch of tech and related companies with 100% Indians as the employees. Literally 100%. You see them all at lunch in that building's office cafe and dining court between noon and 2pm. It would defy logic to believe that these companies tried in good faith to find American workers and couldn't find one single American worker. They clearly hire their own, only their own, and don't give a shit about diversity. No blacks. No hispanics. And.. no whites. To whatever extent NJ law forbids this, these all-Indian pop up tech firms seem to be flouting it with impunity.

I wonder if some of the anti-Indian racism is happening because in some places this wave of Indian immigration (and job displacement) has happened so fast.

[quote]They clearly hire their own, only their own, and don't give a shit about diversity. No blacks. No hispanics. And.. no whites.

The only racial group that values diversity is whites.

Well if the magats started supporting public education and stopped home schooling we would have an educated population. So fuck them all

At least they don't shit everywhere like in India In 2022, 157 million people or about 11% of the total population of India were practicing open defecation, where 17% of the rural population (154 million) and 0.5% of the urban population (2.8 million) practiced open defecation(Wiki).

Hindus, Tramps and Thieves!

r183 and r190 nobody is denying Indians aren't racist, nor has India made a statment saying India isn't a racist country (as far as I know).

I think it's how certain White Americans love to act like they AREN'T racist and, again, clutch their pearls when the world is watching but in the privacy of the DL, let all the vitriol spew forth.

r195 black owned firms hire whites and others.

r192 I am talking about posters complaining about white americans/americans being racist against Indians, when Indians are far more racist and bigoted towards blacks, whites, etc.

Indians who come to America are from rich families. Indians who are poor, which is almost all of them, do not come to America. Those with money and higher up the caste system come over. Of course they’re going to be high achievers. They have resources.

The Indian culture is based on a caste system. Their entire existence is based on prejudice.

America was founded by Judeo Christians. Let’s keep it that way.

"Indians who come to America are from rich families. Indians who are poor, which is almost all of them, do not come to America. Those with money and higher up the caste system come over."

And the higher caste ones bring over to the United States their superiority complexes and condescending attitudes toward their lower caste members by the steamer truck loads. Talk about over inflated senses of entitlement.

[quote]The only racial group that values diversity is whites.

Which is why Donald Trump won decisively and the Republicans won both houses of Congress.

R206 List the brown, black and Asian majority countries that value diversity. List those that put a high value on human rights for all.

We'll wait.

r207 Jamaica.

The problem is that most of those countries have retained the death penalty and only uncivilized hell holes still enforce the death penalty.

r209 Japan is a very developed and safe country with the death penalty.

Has Nimrata Haley releasef a statement?

Released*^

Having spent a lot of time in Japan I don't disagree that Japan is developed and safe but one of my criteria for being civilized is whether a country still enforces the death penalty.

YMMV

Hilarious that DL trailer trash are like “I hate Indians” but really mean “I’m sorry I’m so stupid and lazy that I could never get the jobs Indians in America do.”

Waaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!

R204, Sarcasm, correct? Because neither the 16th C. Spanish Catholics nor the 17th C. English Puritans were big on that "Judeo" part, nor any Christian sect but their own.

And if you mean the Founding Fathers of the 18th C., those men of the Enlightenment were Deists of the "Watchmaker" God, of God as the "Great Geometer."

Ramsmarmy is another one of Trump's billionaire friends.

R208 You've got to be joking.

They used to be pretty well liked in Canada until the TFW program was abused along with the 100s of thousands of the so-called "fake" student visa holders. Also, they're heavily involved in the trucking industry but have set up scammy trucking schools resulting in thousands of unqualified truckers on our highways.

My experience with an Indian landlord. We lived in the rental home for 16 years. Her husband is a physician. Shortly after we moved in, the wife was using our address to get her children into the local elementary school. We also had a son who was attending the local elementary school.

For 16 years, no maintenance. When we moved in the carpet was older. Never replaced it or painted. The oven died soon after we moved in. The wife bought the cheapest Hot Point range and came to observe the handymen replace it.

During the very last part of the pandemic, the hot water pipes under the house broke apart and flooded. Water coming up under the carpet. I provided her with a copy of my normal water bill and informed her that I would not be paying the excess. She said she would think about it. I advised her we did not request a hotel during the two weeks we had no water. (Our gym was close by - to shower.) Plumbers found other things and said our toilet was 60 years old. Plumber told me she said we (renters) hardly ever used the hall bathroom so they didn’t need to replace it. (The other bathroom was off the master bedroom.) Plumber (rolled his eyes) couldn’t find replacement parts to fix it. Landlady drives up a day or two later with the cheapest toilet in her van and proceeds to watch the plumbers replace it.

After all the repairs of the pipes, they said they wanted to put the house up for sale, as is, and offered it to us first. They were surprised when we declined.

They later sold it, as is, to their realtor friend for $40,000 less than what they offered us because no one would buy it. The realtor put about $50,000 in it. They painted, replaced the oven, dishwasher, carpet and other flooring, new countertops in the kitchen and bathrooms, new bathroom cabinets, they covered a wall leak in the bathroom with another cabinet.

R219, similar experience with landlords of all ethnicities

Now that it’s been platformed, is there any chance it will be deplatformed? I don’t know if that’s a realistic possibility, but I thought it would be good to platform the idea.

As usual, MAGA and DL only complain about brown immigrants, and in this case, immigrants who are actually doing well for themselves and fueling the economy,

We never hear “French immigrants are pushy!” “Brits stink!”

People need to stop it. People are people first.

Oh please. Indians laugh at how easy it is to manipulate Western "people first"ness. They think we're idiots for letting them in.

They wouldn't even let themselves into India.

Why do you think Europe has turn on immigration?

I knew these land acknowledgements would eventually backfire.

[quote]We never hear “French immigrants are pushy!” “Brits stink!”

What?

You're very wrong about that. Are you new here?

R226 Srsly.

MAGATs will remind you they saved the perfume-bathing snail eaters in WWII.

And Brits don't have teeth and don't even speak proper English.

R227 And obviously you have your own bigotry.

In 2022 I was in a bathhouse and this totally hot Indian guy just walked into my room with no preamble. He was dripping with attitude. Is it because he was Indian ( Brahmins ) or just because he was hot and knew it?

[quote] I don't like the language that people like Vivek and Elon are using to promote the idea of Indian intellectual superiority -

I don't hear "superiority," I hear "preparedness." Which begs the question why they can't train and educate Americans for those jobs. I think that is what should alarm any American. Rather than cultivating a native workforce these DOGE assholes -- non-American and/or newly migrated -- want to pull lower wage workers from foreign countries.

Please. Brahmins are no special class swimming in money. They just have holes in their homes to shit in instead of the street.

He gave you attitude because you are likely a Beta white man unlike the Republican Alphas he hopes to see in the mirror.

But I'm White, I tell you. I'm WHITE!!!!!

Nobody on DL claims that the Brits don't have teeth.

I mean, we can ALL see their teeth

There are 1.4 b illion of them because a large prportion of them don't know how babies are made.

r196 that is the plan, right in your face. Keep the Americans uneducated, bring in cheap foreign labor who is highly educated but will work for lower wages (comparatively) and cannot hunt for jobs as they are tied to the company that sponsors them. The whole you don't need college, go into skilled trades built in republicans. Once they decimate the colleges of "radical professors" they can reserve education for the right wing elite, the new leaders who will carry on the tradition of MAGA.

r213 The point is everyone would say Japan is civilized although it has the death penalty.

You’ve appointed yourself to speak for “everyone”, R236? Congrats on the promotion!

I'm not R236 but the leading cause of death in American children is by gunshot fatality R237. Gunshot fatality! The US is not a civilized country - nowhere even close to it. The US is the most overtly racist, homophobic, misogynistic, violent and angry cultish country of all the western nations. It's right at the bottom.

So if you're trying to claim that Japan is not a civilized country in comparison, then you've got a few problems with your argument.

Japan is only civilized in the sense that we have lifted the burden of militarism from them. To the extent they recapture it, they will be barbarians just as we are we are.

R222, Keep your day job, because this comic thing ain't working out.

Let us know when all those French and Brits are coming here, okay?

R223, You wouldn't say that about any other species, flora or fauna.

"All dogs are alike." No. "All parrots are alike." No.

R233, r227 was saying what MAGAts think.

In this suburb and the last one I lived in, Indians were the diversity.

French immigrants are very definitely pushy

British influence in Hollywood is much resented iun the US

Actually R238 I never mentioned the USA at all - how very American of you! If you re-read my post I said that one of *my* criteria for a civilized country is the absence of the death penalty. I wasn’t speaking for anybody else - what anybody thinks of my opinion is immaterial.

Perhaps I’ve struck a nerve with some of you given the presence of the USA on this list:

Interesting company.

I live near RTP in North Carolina my community is now majority, or nearly so, Indian. We bought our home and the surrounding wooded acreage over 25 years ago when it was one of five homes on a dead end, dirt road. We are now the last undeveloped property surrounded by subdivisions made up of tightly packed McMansions which are lived in almost exclusively by Indians.

Seeing the development starting 20 years ago, we built a chain link fence at the property line around about thirty of our acres. Most of this fence abuts HOA owned tree buffers at the back of these homes’ backyards.

The past ten years have been nothing but constant problems with trash of all kinds being thrown over the fence onto our property. Yard waste, construction waste, food waste, cardboard, broken toys and appliances, basically anything you can pick up and lob over a fence it’s been thrown. I’ve contacted the HOAs, the individual home owners, the town code enforcement people, and nothing has helped. After getting no help or relief, I just started throwing it back over on their side until they realize I’m not going to put up with it. That solves the problem with that house but there are always people moving in and out and it always starts up again.

The other main problem I have is their judgmental attitude. I am highly educated and because of luck and hard work, very wealthy. My property, because of the development potential, is worth over $15 million alone. Though I have wealth, I don’t dress like a wealthy person. On my best days, I look like a country boy come to town and most would take me for a farmer or a blue collar worker. When I’m sitting at a bar, or doing shopping in the neighborhood, they look at and treat me like the dirt on the bottom of their shoes and are not just dismissive but openly and unmistakably rude to the point of being offensive. That is until they find out that I’m as rich as Cresus and own the largest tract of undeveloped land in this part of the county, then they fall over themselves trying to ingratiate themselves with me. Needless to say, I’m not receptive to this flattery. Anyone who doesn’t have the common decency and curtesy to treat others, no matter how they appear, with kindness and respect are not people with which I want to deal.

Another, less common, but more dangerous problem is the fireworks. I grew up around rednecks and they love to set off fireworks but nothing like Indians do. Fireworks are legal in my state, but only if a certain power and size and these fireworks are absolutely not legal here. They choose to set them off in the dead end spur streets which end at my property line and there is a clear and obvious danger in sparks and fireworks landing in the woods on my side of the fence. I have to patrol these areas each and every Indian holiday and call the police to make them move on to their own streets in front of their own homes and not up against my property line on HOA owned space.

We recently passed a parks bond, of which the largest portion was used to build a cricket stadium for the Indian immigrants. I knew what the bong was going to be used for and supported it. This past election, we had another bond for parks and sidewalks and the Indian voting block organized against it, citing a desire to keep taxes as low as possible. The idea that you got what you wanted two years ago and now have no need for another bond to continue to improve public services is abhorrent to me and was the final straw and makes me wonder if the benefit of bringing all of these H1B visa workers here who don’t share our values and cultural norms isn’t outweighed by the negatives.

Businesses need workers, that I can believe, but the depressive effects on wages that recruiting foreign talent who willing to work for less doesn’t seem to be smart in the long term if it is also accompanied by a negative impact on quality of life and problems between neighbors.

And all the Mexicans, Persians and yellow Asians are secretly trolling every forum trashing Indians because the heat is off them for once. “Phew, now they hate someone else for a change!” Guess what? Next week the troll farms will get their new marching orders and you’re back to #1. Especially the Ching Chong Ding Dongs. They seem to forget that they hack and steal at the speed of sound and changing their names to white names (that they can’t pronounce) will somehow negate the hatred. Mexicans will end up in a new set of cages.

I am surrounded by new Indians at my gym and none of them stink. Zero. I will say the fresh off the boats all have cars with powerful engines that they can’t drive for shit. That fills me with rage I will admit.

Guess all the troll farms have logged off for the evening. Fucking dipshits.

I fine with them If they bathe regularly and keep their mouths shut - just can’t stand their sing-songy accents.

[quote]The US is the most overtly racist, homophobic, misogynistic, violent and angry cultish country of all the western nations.

Sure, r238. Sure it is.

r247 squares with my experience when Indian tenants (mostly graduate students) became the majority residents in my apartment complex a few years ago. (Prior to this, the majority of tenants was a mix of American and Chinese students.) There was an appreciable decline in the way that individual tenants took care of shared property spaces.

R229 I’m sure that your Indian bath house buddy was dripping with something but it may not have been attitude. Curry scented sweat, more likely.

R247, Your final paragraph shows that you don't know how billionaire Capitalists think. They look at your points and say, "Win!"

Just a reminder: all Indians are not Hindus (therefore, not all Indians subscribe to the "caste" system). And, all Hindus are not Indians.

R245, You wouldn't know it from the Box Office.

R244, Pray tell, where in the US have you encountered these "French immigrants"? Please don't say "Quebec."

Follow-up: In what ways are they "pushy"?

r255 79.8% of Indians are Hindu.

[quote] The US is the most overtly racist, homophobic, misogynistic, violent and angry cultish country of all the western nations.

Violent yes. No argument there.

But for the rest, you're very very wrong.

R256 are you from the US? Franco-American clubs are very much a thing at least in the Northeast.

This thread is crawling with trolls. Any thread supposedly discussing Indian Americans that doesn’t acknowledge the large number of ancestral Dalit Indian Americans in the US (one quarter, second only to Brahmin and often Christians), the huge Indian-Guyanese population and the India to Pakistan to America group; is clearly driven by posts coming from outside the US.

[quote] The Indian culture is based on a caste system. Their entire existence is based on prejudice.

Not just India

Anti-DEI propaganda is meant to create a permanent Dalit class of Americans. Remember that when people trash diversity hires, what they are really trashing is American hires.

(America needs more immigrants, but not to depress wages, or get around workplace safety regulations like the Musks of the world want.)

The most populated country in earth. It surpassed China in terms of population.

I don't think it's about or against any particular group, or even about racism or the color of skin.

There's a limit to how many foreigners people can take before they start feeling like they in another country, or people take over. People think that's xenophobic and racist, but British felt like that with the Poles who moved their for higher EU wages. Any culture around the world can feel this way. "Yankee go home."

When incoming people conglomerate so they don't feel out of place, people who have lived there feel threatened or out of place. We are a multicultural society but when thousands of people don't adopt those multicultural, diverse ideals and prefer to stick with only those they're familiar with, it doesn't make a nice society.

This is outrageous. This bigotry will not stand!

[QUOTE] The past ten years have been nothing but constant problems with trash of all kinds being thrown over the fence onto our property. Yard waste, construction waste, food waste, cardboard, broken toys and appliances, basically anything you can pick up and lob over a fence it’s been thrown. I’ve contacted the HOAs, the individual home owners, the town code enforcement people, and nothing has helped. After getting no help or relief, I just started throwing it back over on their side until they realize I’m not going to put up with it. That solves the problem with that house but there are always people moving in and out and it always starts up again.

The other main problem I have is their judgmental attitude. I am highly educated and because of luck and hard work, very wealthy. My property, because of the development potential, is worth over $15 million alone. Though I have wealth, I don’t dress like a wealthy person. On my best days, I look like a country boy come to town and most would take me for a farmer or a blue collar worker.

Gurl, you've got the cash. Sell that place and move to a better neighborhood. What are you waiting for?

R265 are you suggesting to move away from Indians? In what world is that possible?

The ones who are Americanized are not the issue. This is like when Hong Kong people think Mainland Chinese have bad manners.

[quote] I am surrounded by new Indians at my gym and none of them stink. Zero.

Tell us you're lying without telling us you're lying. Zero "new Indians" don't stink.

[quote] I will say the fresh off the boats all have cars with powerful engines that they can’t drive for shit.

Tell us you live in a neighborhood with zero HIBs. Ask any driver between Sunnyvale and Fremont California how "new Indians" drive.

Billionaires run the country. It doesn't matter if MAGA hates Indians. Billions depend on them.

Get used to them

R268 Billionaires = Elon "says" he'll stick up for us. LOL

Everyone seems to be blurring the topic - H1B1 Visas, Indian-Americans immigrants, and jobs filled in rural areas of the country because there are so few doctors and professionals who stay there.

The issue is the Trump administration wants to crack down on illegals and immigrants taking jobs and housing, while hypocritically they want to protect H1B1 and H2 visas that allow them to exploit foreign resources and NOT hire or train Americans.

The H1 Visas do have a disproportionate amount of Indians because of their 'diploma/degree schools' that specifically train for a specific software and job. What most people on here who have worked in tech (myself included) have seen is that they are not 'stars' - they do the minimum and often they need to be trained on simple things because their learning isn't real world, but just a series of tech courses.

Over half the H1s I've worked with STAYED in America somehow. And they moved on to other American jobs with higher pay - and then they bring the rest of their family over. The establish residency and then get treated like a fast-tracked immigrant - it's not fair.

For anyone who says Indians are smarter and Americans don't have the brains or skill set to do this - 100% garbage. We don't have these specialized software courses - and many are very expensive.

As far as doctors coming from India and Asia to work in areas with a doctor shortage - I don't think anyone has a problem with that. That's not the issue.

The issue is the double-speaking from Elon and Trump and immigrants - but as long as they get to abuse THEIR immigrant employees.

It's a loop-hole that Indians have used - in the same way, the UK and Canada has the same issue with them coming to get 'degrees' on student VISAs for bogus schools. They're not actually attending a school or the school is an Indian-forrmed fake college or university as a scheme for immigration.

If you want to crack down to protect Americans - you've got to do it evenly.

[quote] Billionaires = Elon "says" he'll stick up for us. LOL

Billionaires = wall street and silicon valley

American education is a massive failure. It prioritizes white, wealthy communities, while ignoring minority communities.

The outcome is a bunch of white, overly educated people who don't want to work in rural or highly urban areas.

so the country has to depend on educated foreigners.

If the US included Blacks and Latino in its educational plans, maybe there would be enough professionals to cover our needs, but we don't.

R271 Billionaires = wall street and silicon valley

Indians really do think they rule the world. LOL.

Ok Rahul, from Middle America to Wall Street to Silicon Valley. America will fail without Indians.

Thanks for the laugh.

That would be Dr. Rahul MD PhD

R273, America doesn't let in tons of foreigners just for the heck of it.

Yes, America would fail without Indians. All of the central, rural part of America would not have doctors. There were would few programmers for silicon valley. Who would run motels and drive cabs?

Hilarious to think that America would do just fine without Indians. If it could, it would. But it can't.

MD PhD LOL

"Anti-DEI propaganda is meant to create a permanent Dalit class of Americans. Remember that when people trash diversity hires, what they are really trashing is American hires."

What?

America doesn't have a fertility crisis. Incentivize taking on med school debt and create a few more med schools and there will be more native med students.

American trained doctors can’t work in poor areas because they wouldn’t be able to pay off their student loans. If you score high enough med school in India is free. (The number of med school slots in US schools is restricted by regulation)

R277 DEI is meant to fix historic, systemic and structural inequities so that all Americans can participate at the top of their abilities.

When Musk talks trash about DEI and Trump talks about black jobs, what they are talking about is creating an American version of race based Dalit identity.

"Please. Brahmins are no special class swimming in money. They just have holes in their homes to shit in instead of the street."

Not a brahmin hater (the caste system is bad, and many brahmins oppose it), but aren't they still the landlords in India, even with all of the new wealth accrued by lower castes? Yeah, more are sinking into the lower middle-class, but there's still a good amount of generational wealth.

[quote] Yes, America would fail without Indians. All of the central, rural part of America would not have doctors. There were would few programmers for silicon valley. Who would run motels and drive cabs?

[quote] The Indian culture is based on a caste system. Their entire existence is based on prejudice.

Oh, then that makes it okay to be racist towards them then.

The caste system is a feature of Hinduism, not all the other Indian religions.

R280, most beneficiaries of DEI are all upper middle-class---ethnic minorities, white women, and new immigrants. It's been applied to hire tons of Indians on H1B visas.

*None of it* has changed the fact that black people in the US are still overwhelmingly poor---OR that there's a growing poor white underclass. On the contrary, it has been invoked as some kind of panacea during a time of rising inequality and decreased social mobility. It's a distraction that does nothing to alter our current course towards a kind of techfeudalism.

R259, r256 here. I'm Pennsylvania born and bred. I have never heard of any "Franco-American clubs," let alone seen any of their habitues. Moreover, the term "Franco-American," by the usual connotation and even denotation, refers most likely to later generations, much like my saying I'm Sicilian-American harkens to my great-grandfather from Palermo, not to myself as the new immigrant.

So unless you are also r244, I'll wait for his response.

But more to my previous point, and to reiterate: 1.) Where did r244, and SPECIFICALLY R244, run into French immigrants? And 2.) What was "pushy" about them?

"American trained doctors can’t work in poor areas because they wouldn’t be able to pay off their student loans. If you score high enough med school in India is free. (The number of med school slots in US schools is restricted by regulation)"

There's a solution for both of those problems, lol. It's not novel. Other countries run into the same issue---countries with higher life expectancy and lower fertility rates. Regulations are changed to service industry development, as they should be. The question in a situation where there aren't enough doctors is which regulation should be overhauled? The ones related to visa caps or the ones that limit the number of med schools? The one tech capitalists would support, and the one most Americans would support are not the same.

[quote] America doesn't have a fertility crisis. Incentivize taking on med school debt and create a few more med schools and there will be more native med students.

And who exactly is helping with med school debt and creating more med schools. Oh, no one. So we are desperate for foreign docs

R265, we don’t want to sell and move because it is our home, which we’ve spent 25 years building, landscaping, and making into exactly what we want in a farm and home. The fact that suburbia came and surrounded us is regrettable but not reason enough to pull up stakes and do it all over again, at least not yet. We’ve gotten offers, one five years ago we almost accepted until we started looking for another place and just couldn’t find anything that wouldn’t take a boatload of money and years to make into what we already have.

It's actually far far cheaper for the country to admit fully-trained doctors from other countries than to train them here.

[quote] most beneficiaries of DEI are all upper middle-class---ethnic minorities, white women, and new immigrants.

DEI have NEVER included Indians. In almost every desirable field, Indians are already over-represented

[quote] The caste system is a feature of Hinduism, not all the other Indian religions.

The caste system is a feature of American society--with whites on top and blacks at the bottom

[quote] American trained doctors can’t work in poor areas because they wouldn’t be able to pay off their student loans.

In fact, all the government programs that pay of student loans in exchange for medical work require that the doctors work in poor areas.

R259, r286 again. I believe in you are misguided in your second paragraph, as well.

Unless one has a very, very particular interest in the demographics of India (and what percentage of Americans do you estimate that to be?!) and/or is himself of Indian heritage, I guarantee you that ALL Indians to Americans are simply "Indians." Oh, would that mean we as a society are not educated as to Dalit, Brahman, or Guyanese? NS, SHERLOCK. Give me a reason we SHOULD know this arcana!

Do you say "Walloon," or do you say "Belgian"? Do you say "Flemish," or do you say "Belgian"?

I guess I know a lot more members of Franco-American clubs (I probably should have said New England rather than northeast) and Indian Americans than you do R294.

It’s funny, I do occasionally distinguish between Walloon and Flemish.

The H1B program is not being used to bring in Indian doctors and physicists. The poster who is conflating actual immigration by professionally trained Indians with the H1B program is an idiot with an agenda. H1B is being used to bring in IT workers to staff large tech firms.

And yes, the Indians that are being brought in under this visa are idiots who do sub-optimal work. They are also extremely dishonest, extremely lazy, and they actively work to sabotage women and blacks in the workplace.

Fuck them. This is high paying work that can and should be done by Americans, because Americans have a stronger work ethic and will do a better job.

Two things, one internal one external.

The first is I.Q. versus E.Q. They are randomly distributed, like other traits. Some people have intellectual prowess; others have emotional sensing prowess; a few have both and a few have neither.

High E.Q. enables one to “read the room” and act accordingly. People with high IQ may be clueless socially (think Musk-like nerds). People with high EQ may be popular even if only of average intelligence (think your typical politician).

The second thing is culture versus rules. Culture, because it is typically ingrained from a young age, usually triumphs rules. The U.S. has had anti-discrimination rules for decades, but early-learned cultural prejudice is hard to overcome.

Unless they happen to have a high EQ, immigrants carry the cultural norms of their prior lives into their new environments. It’s no different than so-called “trash” in the U.S. who strike it rich; move upscale; and think nothing of leaving cars parked on the front yard of their new middle-class surroundings. It doesn’t “feel” out of place to them.

Doesn’t matter how book smart they are. Without an EQ sensitive family member’s help; someone from outside is going to have to explain to them what is and isn’t done in their new world if they are going to fit in.

[quote] Oh, then that makes it okay to be racist towards them then.

Yes, because they bring that crap here and then turn it on Americans. Are you not reading the dumb and lazy incompetent American posts from the Indian troll.

Y'all Pollyanna types need to wake up. It's one of the reasons the Dems lost, even though you all argued BIDEN would come through.

[quote] H1B is being used to bring in IT workers to staff large tech firms. And yes, the Indians that are being brought in under this visa are idiots who do sub-optimal work. They are also extremely dishonest, extremely lazy, and they actively work to sabotage women and blacks in the workplace.

If there were enough women and blacks to do this work, they would be. Instead, America has decided it likes to stay sexist and racist so has to import Indian workers.

[quote] And yes, the Indians that are being brought in under this visa are idiots who do sub-optimal work.

If they did suboptimal work, companies wouldn't be hiring them. Musk and Ramaswamy wouldn't be defending them but they are.

But companies keep hiring them again and again and again again. Sounds like Indian imports are doing great work

Pathetic that the trolls have to complain that Indians are idiots and don't do good work or Indians work to keep women and Blacks out of the work place.

Ruskie trolls, drunk on vodka, are trying to start an ethnicity war. In reality, Indian workers are doing very well for tech companies. That's why they keep hiring them.

R272 - what are you talking about? What people WANT to live in rural America, particularly with the MAGA shit from the last 20 years? Those areas are dying. You can't blame people for wanting to live in cities.

One of the biggest (by far, not even close) determinants of a child's educational success is parent involvement and prioritizing education. There are good students at every 'urban' high school that go on to good schools and make it out.

The problem is the others who want to fuck around and don't take school seriously and their parents don't engage and enforce learning at home. That goes for ALL races - but it's a particular problem with black and Latino communities. They also make the learning atmosphere more difficult for everyone else there.

R257 which is still less than ALL.

[quote]In reality, Indian workers are doing very well for tech companies. That's why they keep hiring them.

Yes, employers in general prefer indentured servants.

Still too many Indians.

Agatha Christie had a solution for that R305

Not enough chiefs!

[quote]The caste system is a feature of American society--with whites on top and blacks at the bottom

Not true.

The highest earners in the US are not white.

I apologize to my Indian brethren of all locales and backgrounds and - shhh - castes - but some little facts gleaned from the wallow here might be helpful when it comes to assimilation, acculturation, plain politeness, and avoiding the lazy, dismissive, superior attitudes of people who've escaped from life at home.

Anyone who has been to your home regions knows that "my shit doesn't stink" is a lie, that marigolds do not eliminate the need for cleaning and deodorizing one's pits and holes, and that populating the medical professions has not improved care, patient communication, service, and satisfaction.

But you're better than most children of earlier, reluctant immigrants who've struggled like many Indians, with less to show for it in the USA.

अपने आप से अधिक प्राप्त करें।

[quote] what are you talking about? What people WANT to live in rural America, particularly with the MAGA shit from the last 20 years? Those areas are dying. You can't blame people for wanting to live in cities.

..and you can't blame Indian doctors for seizing the opportunity and providing healthcare to rural American populations.

[quote] The highest earners in the US are not white.

and thus, they are revolting by voting for the white supremacist party

[quote] The highest earners in the US are not white.

And Zoroastrians are India's highest earners. Therefore there's no caste system there, according to your stupid logic

Read the recent book CASTE by Isabel Wilkerson, She shows meticulously how the commonalities of caste exist among Hindus in India, blacks and whites in America, and Jews in Nazi Germany

[quote]If there were enough women and blacks to do this work, they would be. Instead, America has decided it likes to stay sexist and racist so has to import Indian workers.

America at least tries to deal with its bullshit.

I hope you get deported bitch. You will deserve it.

[quote]In reality, Indian workers are doing very well for tech companies. That's why they keep hiring them.

You sound like an idiot. This is easily disproven.

Companies hire them because they are willing to tolerate shitty work in exchange for saving on labor costs. The net result is that nearly every product that is built or serviced by Indians sucks.

[quote]If they did suboptimal work, companies wouldn't be hiring them. Musk and Ramaswamy wouldn't be defending them but they are.

They are hiring them because they are cheap. Period.

[quote] America at least tries to deal with its bullshit.

It pretends to. Then votes in the party of White Supremacy

[quote] They are hiring them because they are cheap. Period.

They're not cheap. H1B requires they get paid the same salaries as if Americans worked there

[quote] Companies hire them because they are willing to tolerate shitty work in exchange for saving on labor costs. The net result is that nearly every product that is built or serviced by Indians sucks.

So all of silicon valley sucks. Sure.

Apple, Google, NVidia, etc all just suck, according to you.

But they make fewer “demands” than Americans do.

[quote] Because they are indentured to their sponsoring employer.

Truthfully, aren't we all?

Ha !

But you’re not forced to return to Bangalore if you get on your employer’s wrong side

Unfortunately for Indian silicon valley workers, they are subject to the boom and bust cycles of tech. They come and go as tech goes up and down

[quote]America at least tries to deal with its bullshit.

The U.S. is typically a two steps forward and one step back country. We are in a regressive "two steps back" period. Normal democracies don't turn their governments over to felons, criminals and political parties that are conspiratorial personality cults or think it's fine to allow unelected billionaires a seat at the table to shape national policy that they will also benefit from.

[quote]H1B requires they get paid the same salaries as if Americans worked there

Nothing requires salaries to be "the same." The salary range is the salary range. You negotiate from there.

Guess how much bargaining power an H1B guest has in this scenario?

The net effect: H1B hires are cheaper.

I'm an engineer at Salesforce, R319. I know what I am talking about because I deal with the bullshit every day. These companies do not suck, but their H1B hires generally do. And the proof is all across the internet.

From R315, where the Google search query is "indian work quality IT reddit" ....

Just the first page of results from Reddit.

Why do people always say Indian devs quality is low?

Are Indian techies really that bad at their job?

Do Indian engineers have a bad reputation?

Why do you think, Indian Developers are not good quality?

Why is Indian work culture so bad?

People really don't like working with Indians

Why does no one in India want to be a good engineer

[quote]And Zoroastrians are India's highest earners. Therefore there's no caste system there, according to your stupid logic

R312 is such an idiot he's trying to find equivalency between the US social classes and India's caste system. That's how stupid he is.

[quote] Not true.

The highest earners in the US are not white.

Let's wise up America. There are some immigrants you do not want for the sake of your country. Just ask Europe.

R320 Actually Indians are way more demanding than Americans. Super confrontational and deceitful too,

Some here clearly don't live in any H1B-infested area. They are notorious PITAs who you cannot trust farther than you can throw them.

R285 You are right and that’s why I am little conservative the older I get. Calm down I am still very socially liberal. But at the end of the day IQ trumps all, values trump all, 2 parent households trump all. The black underclass and increasingly the white underclass have completely have rejected the values that made families great and successful.

r286 There are some French immigrants in DC and I imagine the richer northeastern cities.

What in the fuck are you on about r267? Did you get your vodka ration early? Fuck off.

Bitch is bitter because her hair is thinning.

[quote] [R206] List the brown, black and Asian majority countries that value diversity. List those that put a high value on human rights for all.

It's not the same. Those countries are racially and ethnically homogeneous. Countries that were stolen from and built (or rebuilt) by ethnic minorities have a moral obligation not to cast aside and disenfranchise those minorities.

[Quote] [R312] is such an idiot he's trying to find equivalency between the US social classes and India's caste system. That's how stupid he is.

You’re so stupid to see that calling it “US social classes” somehow precludes it from being as rigid as a caste system

R327, how is Reddit proof of anything?

You can find every conversation you want on Reddit.

If it’s like saying Indian work is sub quality because there’s a discussion on DL about it.

[Quote] And the proof is all across the internet.

LOLOLOLOL— what’s discussed on the internet isn’t proof of anything

[Quote] Nothing requires salaries to be "the same." The salary range is the salary range. You negotiate from there.

You’re saying the same thing. Yes, it’s the same salary range as an American-born worker would be offered.

[quote]You’re so stupid to see that calling it “US social classes” somehow precludes it from being as rigid as a caste system

You're nuts.

[quote]It's not the same. Those countries are racially and ethnically homogeneous. Countries that were stolen from and built (or rebuilt) by ethnic minorities have a moral obligation not to cast aside and disenfranchise those minorities.

A pretty lame way to avoid the question. So let me ask the question again: "List the brown, black and Asian majority countries that value diversity. List those that put a high value on human rights for all."

South Africa, R341. Singapore certainly values diversity and they are better on human rights than they used to be. Taiwan is very democratic. Namibia, Botswana,

H1B salaries are NOT the same - here's what happens. The company posts a job with outlandish experience and tech requirements at a low wage. It then says after several months - we can't find anyone to fill this position.

They prove their case to the federal government who then allows you to hire H1B. The Department of Labor will use their outdated method of determining a position's salary for that region (often taken from federal govt salary positions which pay much less but have a lot more benefits and pensions).

Then that is the salary. On paper it looks like it's a salary that an American would make - but it's not. And sometimes the 'agency' that found that Indian worker will want its cut.

Here's the thing - do you think other countries - India or China - would allow the same thing to happen to get immigrant workers into the country? Hell no they wouldn't.

Agreed with all the above except Singapore. It has come a long way but your pathway through the Singapore social system depends on whether you are considered Chinese, Malay or Indian (in descending order of the social hierarchy). I had a colleague who was hospitalised in Singapore and she spent the first 24 hours on a trolley because they couldn't decide which race she would fit into. She is English and of Nigerian descent. That would decide which ward she was admitted to and who would treat her. She couldn't be considered an expat (another Singaporean classification) because she wasn't white. Eventually she was made an honorary Malay but it caused major gridlock for the hospital until then.

Singapore's extensive and quality public housing system where the vast majority live is to be admired unless you're a single Singaporean under 35 who doesn't want to keep sharing a bedroom with granny. Only once they've hit 35 do they qualify. Interesting social engineering.

Women from Indonesia and the Philippines are allowed to move there as maids, are paid a pittance and get one day off each week and only can stay while they have a job.

Men from Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and India work as virtual slave laborers on construction projects, surrendering their passports on arrival, working under dangerous conditions where bamboo scaffolding is the norm, live in temporary barracks with their workmates and are kicked out if they can't find a job.

Then there is Singapore's retention of the death penalty which doesn't really show that it is committed to human rights in my opinion, as I've said elsewhere.

Singapore is a shiny efficient air conditioned Disneyland with palm trees if you're a white expat or one of the Chinese majority - not so much if you're not.

Who are you looking at? We’re Christian with sorority/ fraternity nicknames. And one of is light-skinned!

The fact that the US has been brain-draining India isn't good for either country.

R332, What's your point? R244 hasn't answered my very specific request at r286.

I'm not saying there are no French immigrants in the eastern US. I'm asking where did r244 run into them and how were they "pushy."

("richer Northeastern cities"???)

Am I writing in Egyptian hieroglyphics or something?

So many of you willing to let your Klan hoods peek out.

"Master Race" my ass.

1000s of years of chronic inbreeding has done the Indian gene pool no favors. Look at all the birth defects in India that happen in no other place on Earth. Try blaming "colonialism" for the cyclops babies and wolf children born over there.

Hell yes, R348! I'm glad someone else noticed it.

Everything you needed to know about why the United States is the way it is today has been encapsulated into a single thread. I mean the vitriol, stereotypes and bigotry come out in other threads occasionally, but it usually isn't so blatant like this.

Now you've got people who have made some of the most outlandish remarks demanding others to prove that diverse, non-White countries exist in this World that are democracies and have good human rights records overall. They likely won't believe anything what you say, so it is a waste of time. You want that information, head over to the Freedom House website and read their 'Freedom in the World' reports for every country and most territories. They go into detail about respect for democratic norms and human rights and been publishing reports since the early 1970s.

Still don't understand what the hell does that have to do with anti-Indian sentiment among the American right over visas and immigration?

I've also noticed the creeping racism on the DL R348 and R350. I've raised this elsewhere as becoming particularly prevalent since 5th November and had a number of people try to shut me down for daring to suggest such a thing.

I think that previously closeted MAGATs are more comfortable expressing their xenophobia and even more mainstream posters have shifted to the right - as if electing Trump made it all OK.

Then there's the increased sensitivity to anything other than slavish praise for the USA - any democracy should be strong enough to withstand some constructive criticism but lately on the DL people have flared up at some relatively innocuous comments, while continuing to post the most stupid and clueless content about other countries.

And now someone will chime in with "this is an American site - if you don't like it, leave". But I won't - there is much about the USA that I find interesting and it is still too globally influential -= for better or for worse - to be ignored.

I mean lots of Hindis got on the Trump train for the same reason Orthodox Jews did - straight-up undiluted hatred of Muslims.

Now it turns out the mouth-breathing inbred yokels just discovered Injuns are in their big tent and are not happy.

Whoopsie!

And Donald tells them to get on board with H1B visas and they immediately flip 180 degrees without blinking an eye.

[quote] A pretty lame way to avoid the question. So let me ask the question again: "List the brown, black and Asian majority countries that value diversity. List those that put a high value on human rights for all."

Well, it was a very inane question.

R349 is Boris on a bender. JFC do you people even understand what you’re saying when you troll?

This thread stinks to high heaven of Chinese troll farms. Guess what? Nobody believes anything you say because you are the world’s biggest ripoff artists and your economy is fake fake fake. COVID isn’t the only reason people hate you. Are you ragging on people who can pronounce their Ls because you’re jealous?

Or should I say jerrous?

There should be no racism or prejudice.

r355 there are certain things that will never be fully eradicated from the human experience, no matter how hard we might try. War. Prejudice. Religion. Disease. Racism. Sexism.

I think the best we can do is damage control and work to make each generation a little less destructive and a little more palatable.

I'm cool with them until they start making vulgar dance moves out on Yonge Street. That's where I draw the line.

[QUOTE] There should be no racism or prejudice.

And there should be free pots of gold and ponies for everyone as well.

[quote] America was founded by Judeo Christians.

No it wasn’t. Jews weren’t even there.

R354, Your final sentence proves you do not understand "irony."

[quote]1000s of years of chronic inbreeding has done the Indian gene pool no favors. Look at all the birth defects in India that happen in no other place on Earth. Try blaming "colonialism" for the cyclops babies and wolf children born over there.

Correct.

And R354 is an idiot.

The statistics are startling:

"The overall percentage of consanguineous marriages in India is between 11.9% and 14.4%. The highest prevalence is in the southern region of India, where consanguinity is more common among Hindus"

"In rural areas, 46.9% of marriages are consanguineous, compared to 29.1% in urban areas."

"In one study, the most common type of inbreeding was first cousin (FC) marriages, accounting for 53.89% of the total. The most common subtype of first-cousin marriage was the matrilateral cross (MC) type, accounting for 35.58%."

"Estimates suggest that 1–3 out of every 100 babies in India are born with birth defects, which is equivalent to 27 million babies each year."

[quote] America was founded by Judeo Christians.

America was founded by people who were as close to atheists as they could be at the time (Deists) and based the country's ideals on Greco Roman government.

Summary: White trash just hates it when brown people are doing better than they are.

If you could do the job, just do it. But, hey, you can't so companies have to import.

Conclusion: r363 is an angry, bigoted individual.

[quote]Summary: White trash just hates it when brown people are doing better than they are.

Meanwhile at our elite universities, their liberal leaders hate it when Asian people are doing better than they are.

I have to admit, R363 does seem quite hateful.

She is a funny non PC comedian however this stupid bitch disrespected the Queen. You nobody ass bitch. You are too new to do that.

[quote] I have to admit, [R363] does seem quite hateful.

Tell me you haven't read the thread without telling me

R363 is just stating the obvious. Every possible permutation of white supremacy and anti-black/brown hate was exploited to get Trump re-elected -- "They're eating the dogs! They're eating the cats!" If our nation had a moral conscience it'd be hanging its head in shame. Instead we think it is appropriate to use "woke" as a pejorative and spread the myth that the .001732% of opportunities impacted by "DEI" has somehow disenfranchised the entire undereducated, underqualified, vastly entitled 'white' race. It is utterly disgraceful.

I agree with Vivek. Americans embraced the jock culture and rewarded it and downplayed academic excellence. Too many trashy whites saw it as "librul" and elitist. Colleges would fill their kids heads up with scary idears. Nothing wrong with a skilled trade but they are reaping what they sowed.

[quote]Every possible permutation of white supremacy and anti-black/brown hate was exploited to get Trump re-elected

Bullshit.

Trump won because he made gains with minorities.

Trump won 55% support from Hispanic men

R371, Trump won because 12 million voters who voted for Biden didn't show up to the polls. The "gains" he apparently made are skewed because not everyone showed up--only the ones the GOP scared showed up.

I’m tired of this thread

There must be A LOT of gay Indians on the DL

R371, minorities respond to racism too, particularly when they believe it doesn't refer to them. Trump ran on racism--everything had a racist tint to it so her could consolidate his white racist base.

Some minorities when along because some Latinos hate Blacks and some Latinos don't identify with the illegal Latinos.

[quote] There must be A LOT of gay Indians on the DL

You dont have to be gay to understand and fight against demonizing gays.

You dont have to be Indian to see the same BS against a minority.

[quote] Every possible permutation of white supremacy and anti-black/brown hate was exploited to get Trump re-elected

This very thread showing MAGA hating brown people of all stripes is proof that racism is the theme that joins the GOP

[quote] Trump won because 12 million voters who voted for Biden didn't show up to the polls.

And why didn't they show up?

Not showing up was a vote for Trump.

[quote] The "gains" he apparently

Why "gains" in quotation marks?

Why the use of the word "apparently".

the numbers are what they are. Whether you like it or not, Trump made gains with minorities.

[quote] And why didn't they show up?

People show up when they are scared. These 12 million were fine with the economy. Kamala tried to scare everyone with "Trump is a fascist" but Americans don't react to hypotheticals.

Whenever the GOP tanks the economy, Americans show up to the pols, and Dems win.

R377, all the pundits are only focusing on who showed up to the polls. Did the Trump really make gains or were conservative Hispanics overrepresented because the liberals ones didn't show up.

Pundits get paid for showing trends and overanalyzing. They wouldn't get paid for "We can't tell much about what Hispanics are feeling because so many didn't show up to vote."

“Chinese troll farms”, R354? This is a first for me, and on 1st January - how appropriate!

Will we now be accusing Jiehong of being drunk on Baijiu in his recent posting?

R12 don't forget phone scams. #1 Russia, #2 India. It's an industry.

R369 = Jennifer Rubin

r359 Thank you. Right wingers use the inclusive Judeo-Christian term, but it is not accurate. Of course the old testament is part of Christianity, but Christianity is not Judaism outside of that.

r370 Yet the US still functions by having balanced life versus the culture of India and China which is obsessed with test scores. Before the civil rights act of 1965 there were virtually no asians, arabs, south americans, etc. Most minorities were puerto ricans, cubans, mexicans, and some chinese, Korean, and Japanese(primarily in california).

Yet Vivek is pretending that Indians are the ones who created and are building America??

[quote] don't forget phone scams. #1 Russia, #2 India. It's an industry.

It's an industry because Americans are so stupid and gullible

Judeo-Christian is used as a category of religion as compared to Eastern religions.

Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same God afterall.

[quote] Bullshit. Trump won because he made gains with minorities. Trump won 55% support from Hispanic men.

Your point? People of color are susceptible to being influenced by white supremacy and/or anti-Black/Brown hate. Trump's campaign was so shameless and insidious (and successful) in its "othering" that many dim bulbs - white, black, brown and yellow -- didn't realize that THEY were the "others."

[quote] There must be A LOT of gay Indians on the DL

There is certainly a surprisingly high number of gay bigots here. I mean, I guess they're gay.

[quote] People of color are susceptible to being influenced by white supremacy and/or anti-Black/Brown hate.

The white savior bigot at R387, who knows what Latino men think, has spoken

[quote] The white savior bigot at [R387], who knows what Latino men think, has spoken

Thank you for acknowledging my superior wisdom. If YOU knew anything about Latino men you would know white supremacy permeates their culture...to their detriment.

[quote] I’m tired of this thread

I see that there are more replies, and like with a lot of threads, I wonder what else could people find to talk about after the subject has been exhaustively covered. The rest of the country has largely moved on already.

R391, the "Linda Lavin is DEAD TO ME" thread beckons you.

R390 Thinks Latino men are stupid.

Typical.

[quote]If YOU knew anything about Latino men you would know white supremacy permeates their culture...to their detriment.

The Dem's demonization of Latino men is, well, what they do. And you are a prime example.

Funny that the voted overwhelmingly for for a woman in 2016. And funny, they voted for a woman in Mexico. But of course you're unaware of all of it.

BTW: I'm in contact with Latinos every day. My town is about 30% Hispanic. And my family has employed plenty of them over the years. You instead live in a bubble.

[quote]Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same God afterall.

This is correct (moreover, Muslims think Jesus was a prophet and the Bible is a holy book), but I wonder how many heads would explode in this country if we started saying "the Judeo-Christo-Islam tradition."

[Quote] This is correct (moreover, Muslims think Jesus was a prophet and the Bible is a holy book), but I wonder how many heads would explode in this country if we started saying "the Judeo-Christo-Islam tradition."

Yes, because Americans are undereducated and rather stupid.

And, coming full circle, that is the reason employers have to look outside the country for everyone except maybe Walmart clerks.

[Quote] Funny that the voted overwhelmingly for for a woman in 2016. And funny, they voted for a woman in Mexico. But of course you're unaware of all of it.

All Latinos are not Mexican. Even Mexican Americans aren’t Mexican

R397 But Dems love to deal in stereotypes and sweeping generalizations just as much as anyone. See R390.

[quote] And my family has employed plenty of them over the years. You instead live in a bubble.

Check out George Bush Sr. @r394 trying to come for me! Bitch, I am not an 'employer' of Latino men, just an observer with Latino male peers.

Lol r384 knows Latino men. If you really knew Latino men you'd know they talk a big stick but they don't vote. Try living with them and having them as relatives. I'm talking about real Latinos, not the ones you see and hear on TV. Lol what an idiot.

R400 was for r387

The Quran is not part of the Bible, just as the writings of Joseph Smith are not, so yeah, no, r395.

R380 is so stupid it hurts. Who just hacked the US treasury you stupid shit? And brace yourselves this is NOTHING compared to how bad they will be once the tariffs kick in.

There have been PHOTOS posted of Chinese troll farms. They are hacking and stealing at a much higher rate than any other country and have been for years.

R403 if anyone is so stupid that it hurts, it’s you. Not big on irony, are you?

I'm white but I've never seen such extreme racism about brown people, Indian people as I have on DL. Genuinely. So many comments in this thread have me cringing.

DL and MAGA hate brown people, especially the one who work harder and make more money than they do.

Lots of screaming about “they’re taking our jobs!” But no one willing to make the effort (literally decades of education and training).

They think that these jobs should be bestowed on them just because they’re white.

[Quote] The Quran is not part of the Bible, just as the writings of Joseph Smith are not, so yeah, no,

But they all worship the same God

[Quote] "In one study, the most common type of inbreeding (in India) was first cousin (FC) marriages, accounting for 53.89% of the total.

These are at West Virginia numbers. Marrying first cousins is legal in 18 US states. Many have babies without legally being married, of course

[Quote] Again, if these people were white and Russian or any other white ethnicity you don't like you'd want them all gone.

In fact there are millions of white illegals here but they hardly get mentioned at all

Per Wikipedia, r408:

[quote]Data on cousin marriage in the United States is sparse. It was estimated in 1960 that 0.2% of all marriages between Roman Catholics were between first or second cousins, but no more recent nationwide studies have been performed.

R410, what’s your point? Not studying it means we don’t know

I highly doubt the rates of cousin marriage in the US have increased since 1960, r411. If anything, they have decreased, as Americans are less likely to live within 50 miles of their birth than in 1960.

A lot of people in these backwards cultures are pressured to marry first cousins because they can't marry someone outside of their culture. That limits their pool of prospective marriage partners severely.

R412, the people marrying their cousins are those who live in rural areas and who don’t tend to move.

The consanguinity rate is apparently highest in West Virginia.

What any of this has to do with this thread is beyond me

[quote] What any of this has to do with this thread is beyond me

It’s the typical cherry-picking that comes with demonizing “Everyone X must be bad because a few do Y. let’s ignore the Y that we do…”

[Quote] A lot of people in these backwards cultures are pressured to marry first cousins because they can't marry someone outside of their culture. That limits their pool of prospective marriage partners severely.

There are more than a billion people in India. Not hard to find someone inside their culture

r414 I really didn't have a dog in the fight until a poster implied rates of cousin marriage in the US are similar to the rates in India. That's absurd on its face.

As an aside, I have a Greek friend whose parents are second cousins. If I remember correctly, they had to obtain permission to marry from their bishop.

Mark my words—Soon this will devolve into “Indians are terrible because they eat curry.”

[Quote] I really didn't have a dog in the fight until a poster implied rates of cousin marriage in the US are similar to the rates in India. That's absurd on its face.

Both states rates are suspect. No way that 50% of Indians are marrying their cousins. We don’t know the American rate because it’s not studied.

Hilarious that even if India’s consanguinity rate was particularly high, it STILL produces smarter workers than America does

[quote]The aim of the present study was to estimate the prevalence and examine the determinants of consanguineous marriage types in India. Data for 456,646 ever-married women aged 15–49 years were analysed from the National Family Health Survey (NFHS)-4 conducted in 2015–16. The overall prevalence of consanguineous marriage was 9.9%; the South region (23%) and North-East region (3.1%) showed the highest and lowest prevalences, respectively. Muslims had a higher prevalence (15%) than Hindus (9%). The prevalence of first cousin marriage (8.7%) was more than that of second cousin (0.7%) and of uncle–niece marriages (0.6%). Women living in urban areas and in nuclear families, having a higher level of education and belonging to affluent families were less likely to marry their cousins (p < 0.01). Women living in the South region of the country were more likely to marry their cousins, as well as uncles (p < 0.001). Close scrutiny of the trends in the results (odds ratios) revealed no clear relationship between socioeconomic condition and consanguineous marriage. The study results suggest that religion and north–south regional dichotomy in culture largely determine consanguineous marriage rather than socioeconomic condition in India.

R421, these are actually pretty low rates.

The big question here is SO?

The retarded kids aren’t the ones who are computer engineers coming to the US

I also live in the RTP area (Raleigh/Durham). I have worked in retail for 20 years. The flux of Indian workers in this area has also reflected on us. I have had people return clothing over a year old, worn and unwashed, because of the store's return policy. They have never seen anything like it. They will use items till they break and then walk in and return it, demanding a return. It does not matter what it is, clothes with shit stains, used up candles (Have a friend who is a DM for a big candle company that let's you return your candle for any reason. She says all they do is buy one burn it till it is done come in and say they don't like the smell to get a new one and do it over and over). Same is true of restaurants where they eat the food then say it was bad or tainted or they didn't like it. Leave no tip.

r420 They aren't smarter, they just laser focus on studying--- particularly the same subjects.

There aren’t too many stupid people who could study engineering or medicine no matter how focused they are

r423 they are not coming to the US, they are brought here on visas. Cheap labor for tech companies and they are indentured. They cannot look for other jobs if they are worked like dogs or underpaid. Thier choices are do it or go back to India. There are some 14 million tech jobs that go unfilled everyday. The reason is the US won't pay to train people. You can hire a worker, train them in the tech and pay them market, with the risk they will get poached or leave the job because the employer is a dick..not with H1B visa folks. You don't have to train them, you can pay them a sub par wage and work them how you want because they have no choice. They think they are getting a lot of money (compared to what they would make in India) health insurance, vacation...things they don't get in India. Then after a year they start to realize their US co-workers make more and are treated differently. But what can they do? For the company they just have to get the h1b visa and sponsor the employee.

R424, blame your store’s return policy, not the people following the rules

[Quote] There are some 14 million tech jobs that go unfilled everyday. The reason is the US won't pay to train people. You can hire a worker, train them in the tech

It’s tough to train stupid people

R427, not sure what your point is. Isn’t that exactly how capitalism works? Get the cheapest possible labor to make your product.

R427, if it were truly that simple, why are companies focused on Indian labor and not labor from around the world?

Indians have a well-educated, young population that can do these jobs. You can’t just “train” people randomly to do tech jobs like it’s Mcdonalds

The "Indians are superior" troll is indefatigable.

R432, as is the “Indians are inferior” troll

r426 Why not?? If you have no social life and study all the time of course you can do decent in science, math, and technology. I don't know why Americans think math and science is something remarkable. It is a question of how much work you are willing to put in it-- and culturally Indian parents bully and force their kids to study it. Same with other Asians. Also there are over a billion Indians, the Indians who come to the USA and do well don't represent most Indians.

R434, you contradict yourself many times in that rant.

Apparently it’s in the culture to ”bully” kids into studying math and science but most Indians don’t do it.

Huh? Hungover from last night?

r431 There are many unemployed Americans who studied technology, computer science, etc.

Most Americans have little discipline to study anything in depth. American culture is a consumer culture—just follow what TikTok tells you to do and that’s life.

Asians work hard and train to take the tough jobs. We should be thanking them for that, rather than slamming them for putting in the effort, flying thousands of miles from their home, all so we can watch TikTok

r435 Did you fail math?? India has over a billion people--- many if not most who are dumb, rural rubes, uneducated, etc. The selection that come to the USA don't represent all or most Indians. That said a significant percentage of Indians aggressively push their kids in science, technology, math, especially with aspirations of moving to the USA and other western countries.

As if there were any doubt the "Indians are superior" troll is, indeed, a troll, she's also responsible for this thread:

[quote]Why do women act so helpless?

[quote]In the US, they allow states to ban abortion and seem fine when other women die for lack of reproductive care. Even in states where they voted to allow abortion, they also voted for the same GOP politicians who took the right away in the first place. In Afghanistan, they aren't allowed to get an educated and now must not be heard outside the house. The world over they are being raped by militia. And on and on and on. It seems that women just sit and take what men dole out--and this has gone on from the beginning of time.

[Quote] There are many unemployed Americans who studied technology, computer science, etc.

Sure.

Please, they’re among the fastest to get employed. There just aren’t anywhere near enough

I really hope the posters claiming Indians are sooooo smart are just Indian people saving face. What self hating white/black American would say this garbage?? It also seems racist, because like do you think they are genetically superior? Like what are you saying?

If they were so smart they wouldn't be an undeveloped country??

R438, you just contradicted R434.

Make up your minds. Is bullying kids to study math and science in the culture or not?

[Quote] That said a significant percentage of Indians aggressively push their kids in science, technology, math, especially with aspirations of moving to the USA and other western countries.

You stated the obvious.

But why is it that anyone in science and tech were bullied into it? Just because it’s tough for you doesn’t mean no one is interested in it

People often go into fields where there are many good jobs.

Do you think everyone goes into Medicine because they’re altruistic?

r397 The majority of Latin Americans and children of Latin Americans in the USA are Mexican and Mexican origin.

[Quote] I really hope the posters claiming Indians are sooooo smart are just Indian people saving face.

Funny how it went from “Indians are awful people” to “How dare anyone claim Indians are so smart”!

[Quote] If they were so smart they wouldn't be an undeveloped country??

When’s the last time you visited Oklahoma or Detroit?

[Quote] The majority of Latin Americans and children of Latin Americans in the USA are Mexican and Mexican origin.

People of Mexican origin are no longer Mexican when they were born in the US. They are exposed to a different culture. So claiming that because Mexicans voted for a female president, Mexican Americans could do the same, is idiotic

r443 Are you playing stupid?? Talk to any Indian or Chinese child or the children of Indian or Chinese parents. They will tell you their parents say they have to study medicine, engineering, IT, etc. This is common knowledge. there are subreddits on reddit all about this talking about the severe parenting bordering on child abuse in those cultures.

[Quote] If they were so smart they wouldn't be an undeveloped country??

So when China surpasses the US, is it because the Chinese are smarter? Are the French smarter than the Brits or Italians? Are Swedes smarter than Russians? When empires rise and fell, did their inhabitant just become stupider?

Your stupid reasoning is exactly why Indians are taking your jobs.

Again, Americans want to live the easy life by not working too hard in school. That’s fine.

The problem is, if you’re going to rely on foreign workers to do your shit jobs, you can’t then hate on them too.

No American doctors want to work in the middle of fucking nowhere. Few American students want to study nonstop to become tech experts. All fine.

But claiming that the people who actually do put in the work are somehow inferior is what reveals the desperation of knowing it’s all your own fault.

[Quote] Are you playing stupid?? Talk to any Indian or Chinese child or the children of Indian or Chinese parents. They will tell you their parents say they have to study medicine, engineering, IT, etc. This is common knowledge. there are subreddits on reddit all about this talking about the severe parenting bordering on child abuse in those cultures.

My god, Reddit isn’t a place to fact check your views. Reddit has tons of threads on how to fuck animals. Should I assume that all Americans do is fuck goats?

r450 You are missing the point. What is the point of claiming some intellectual superiority when your country is undeveloped?? I don't think Americans are smarter by the way than Indians. But it is chauvinistic and laughable to claim superiority when on almost all metrics you are behind. Are you serious??

Also they are claiming superiority while begging to come to the USA. The entitlement and nerve of being in the USA, driving down wages, and shitting on the culture of your adopted country is gross.

American expats/immigrants are accused of not respecting the local culture to the point we are seen as "ugly Americans", but we are allowed to be talked down to by Indian immigrants.

r451 They are not inferior for studying a lot, they are inferior because they have to mass migrate out of their home country. But they have the gall to bash their adopted country.

[Quote] Talk to any Indian or Chinese child or the children of Indian or Chinese parents. They will tell you their parents say they have to study medicine, engineering, IT, etc.

You will see this in Indians and Chinese in America for very specific reasons. American immigration laws welcome highly educated people so many well-educated Indians and Chinese came over. Often that first generation pushes their kids to work for professions that will put them into the American middle class—doctor, engineer, lawyer. We see that pattern in many 1st generation families—African, middle eastern, also.

Unfortunately, much of that ends when the second generation parents the third generation

I don’t understand all this blaming of Indian for doing jobs that Americans are desperate to fill.

It’s a weird superiority complex thing. We have to hate on those who are actually doing jobs we need to have filled in order to remain a super power.

r451 A lot of American doctors would be open to living in the middle of nowhere if they were paid more. HB1 workers are desired not due to their superior skills, but because they are basically indentured servants. Their visa can be revoked easily by employers, so they have to do whatever their employer wants and can be paid below average wages.

r456 There are endless articles that the vast majority of HB1 visas/visas in general are not due to not enough Americans being available. Either you are playing stupid or haven't bothered to read an article or two.

A lot of HB1 visas are thinks like regular accounts and engineering jobs that regular college graduates can do.

[Quote] You are missing the point. What is the point of claiming some intellectual superiority when your country is undeveloped??

Whether a country is developed depends more than just on intellectual ability. It depends on available resources and funding. It also depends on having to fight public health issues like overpopulation and infectious disease.

India and China had their heydays in the 16th century, when their economies were the best in the world. The west had a good 500 year run, but both these countries are coming back, particularly because they have large educated working classes,

[Quote] A lot of American doctors would be open to living in the middle of nowhere if they were paid more. HB1 workers are desired not due to their superior skills, but because they are basically indentured servants. Their visa can be revoked easily by employers, so they have to do whatever their employer wants and can be paid below average wages.

Rural america doesn’t have a ton of money to pay anyone. They have to make do with what they have. I doubt even more pay would attract Americans because there are very few opportunities for a doctor’s family in rural areas. Indians are educated and willing to do these jobs. Why are MAGA and DL hating on them for doing jobs Americans refuse to do?

It’s not like if Indian disappeared, there would be a line of Americans waiting for those jobs. The very reason Indians are here in the first place is Americans won’t and can’t do those jobs

r452 It is not just reddit. Jesus Christ. There are endless stories about Indian and Chinese parenting styles and how it effects their kids. Hell that "tiger mom" book talked about it. The sad thing is it is unnecessary. American jews do very well educationally and push their kids towards lucrative fields (law, medicine, business, etc.) without abusing their kids or forcing them to have no social life.

[Quote] A lot of HB1 visas are thinks like regular accounts and engineering jobs that regular college graduates can do.

Regular American college grads can’t just do engineering and accounting jobs

r431 because India is focused on it. You can get tech training on street kiosks in India. As another poster pointed out they are not smarter than anyone else they are just focused on these technologies and educating on it. Magats have long been pushing manual labor for people rather than college, become an HVAC tech or mechanic or plumbers. There are plenty of US based workers who could be trained in tech but there is no guarantee they will not leave for a better paying job. There is no risk with an H1B visa employee. You can train them up and not worry some other tech company is going to offer them a 20% pay increase to poach them. They have no bargaining power, they cannot negotiate for a pay raise, they get what they get.

r460 How do you know that? I don't know about rural doctors, but there are endless stories of Americans being blocked from jobs employers claim they can't fill with locals/Americans.

Typical American bullshit—We are the best even though we rely on the world’s labor for every tough job from farming to engineering.

It should be we are the best BECAUSE we welcome the world’s labor

[Quote] They are not inferior for studying a lot, they are inferior because they have to mass migrate out of their home country. But they have the gall to bash their adopted country.

When is anyone bashing their adopted country. You’re the one bashing them

r462 Why the hell do you think that?? And there have been endless stories of Indian workers having to be trained after being hired and struggling. Give it a rest.

r466 The Indians claiming they have a superior culture. It is on social media. Or the American children of Indian immigrants like Vivek.

[quote] The Indians claiming they have a superior culture. It is on social media. Or the American children of Indian immigrants like Vivek.

Yet you’re here saying the same about American culture.

Every culture thinks it’s superior to every other. Where have you been???

There is ONE troll who is all over this thread.

Stop replying to it. Block it and move on. (It's r462, btw.)

Funny how the argument goes from Indians are taking our jobs to Indian have high consanguinity rates so just be an inferior culture to Indians think so highly of themselves to bs after bs after bs.

The bottom line is Indians are willing to do vital jobs that Americans aren’t trained or educated enough for. This often allows Indians better salaries than other Americans. So Americans, who feel them must be better than everyone else at all time, start hating on these people who are saving our asses.

[Quote] There is ONE troll who is all over this thread. Stop replying to it. Block it and move on. (It's [R462], btw.)

Because you’ve lost your stupid argument.

If this thread is any example of how great Americans are supposed to be, don’t be surprised when the rest of the world leaves you in dust.

[quote] [R420] They aren't smarter, they just laser focus on studying--- particularly the same subjects.

Doesn't that mean they ARE smarter? Aren't laser focus and studying components of being smart? As opposed to being lazy, listless and unfocused.

[quote] I really hope the posters claiming Indians are sooooo smart are just Indian people saving face.

No, they are just the usual self loathing white people.

r473 left...we are left in the dust. it is already to late. The plan on Make America Great Again is to just hire the rest of the world to do the work.

Why are white Americans so obsessed with being regarded as the “Best in the World”?

It’s exhausting

[Quote] The Indians claiming they have a superior culture. It is on social media.

When you rely on social media and Reddit as you “proof,” all you show is exactly why America relies on foreign people to do the work

[Quote] No, they are just the usual self loathing white people.

Yes, it’s tough when white people see brown people passing them by because whites expect the world to kiss their feet and worship them

New immigrants are the engine that keeps the American economy buzzing—establishing the vast vast majority of new businesses.

And all the keyboard warriors can do is to complain about them

Do you get a lot of Khalistani types in the US? There are loads of them here in Canada. Personally, I don't really care, but I do sometimes feel that people should give up their culture wars when the immigrate to a new country. Like, welcome to Canada (or wherever), but leave your Khalistani fight at home, you know? People have been killed over this shit, and decades ago Khalistani extremists bombed Air India flight 182 and killed over 300 people.

r469 Because Americans are not mass migrating to a country and claiming their success as immigrants in said country is because of a superior American culture. Are you serious?

[quote] No, they are just the usual self loathing white people.

If ever there was a time and reason for white self-loathing in contemporary America it is now. The re-election of the most mediocre human being EVER to hold the office of President. Who got there by epitomizing the very worst aspects of white American culture. Our nation cannot presume to lead the world in anything now.

[quote] The re-election of the most mediocre human being EVER to hold the office of President.

And MANY Indian people happen to love him and voted for him. Over an Indian woman.

South Park.

R480 link please. About 19% of new businesses are started by immigrants. However a lot of those companies are just ways for them to exploit fellow immigrants.

Of course, people will want to throw in all of the tech companies who have 1 immigrant founder into the mix - when in reality, they were just one member and the company got off its feet with American venture capital funding.

The tired line of 'immigrants are great for the economy' needs to be shattered - because the economy has been tilted where only the upper 1% or 5% see any benefits from the last 30+ years. The rest of us do NOT see that lift - and usually that economic lift is enjoyed by the upper 1% by exploiting the resources and making it more difficult for Americans to get pay increases or to unionize for fair benefits and treatment.

When you vote for white supremacists, do not expect them to vote for you.

Same mistake that Michigan Muslim Americans made.

Ya ain't white, and no matter how many geneticists say that Indians are Caucasian, it ain't gonna wash.

White Evangelical racists know you are black.

Get back to your curry.

Does this extend to Pakistanis also?

If ya brown, ya brown.

r478 the whole thread is about an uptick in anti Indian bigotry due to what is happening on twitter.

r483 Yet Indians still keep migrating to this country??

[Quote] Because Americans are not mass migrating to a country and claiming their success as immigrants in said country is because of a superior American culture. Are you serious?

Yet Americans are demonizing the very people who are migrating here to do the work they cannot

[Quote] Yet Indians still keep migrating to this country??

Give it time. When China has all the jobs, they’ll just move there

One thing about immigrants is that they discriminate in favor of each other, which is technically illegal. Look at Brits and Aussies in Hollywood, but also Indians in various occupations like hotel management. (and the travel issues that have arisen since COVID have probably caused general havoc among them).

“The report found that as of 2024, 46.0 percent of all Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children. It is the highest level recorded since Council researchers started tracking immigrant entrepreneurs in annual reviews since 2011.”

[Quote] One thing about immigrants is that they discriminate in favor of each other, which is technically illegal. Look at Brits and Aussies in Hollywood, but also Indians in various occupations like hotel management. (and the travel issues that have arisen since COVID have probably caused general havoc among them).

Seriously? White people do this constantly

[Quote] the whole thread is about an uptick in anti Indian bigotry due to what is happening on twitter.

That’s how it began but it as permutated into hating Indians, in typical DL fashion

[Quote] The tired line of 'immigrants are great for the economy' needs to be shattered - because the economy has been tilted where only the upper 1% or 5% see any benefits from the last 30+ years. The rest of us do NOT see that lift - and usually that economic lift is enjoyed by the upper 1% by exploiting the resources and making it more difficult for Americans to get pay increases or to unionize for fair benefits and treatment.

You should be blaming politicians for skewing tax laws towards the rich, not immigrants.

A huge reason why America did so much better economically than the rest of the world post COVID was our welcoming of immigrants.

[Quote] And MANY Indian people happen to love him and voted for him. Over an Indian woman.

Nowhere near a majority of Indians like a majority of white women voted for him

[Quote] And MANY Indian people happen to love him and voted for him. Over an Indian woman.

Odd that they’re still considered Indian although they are voting American citizens.

That’s the problem with white people. They truly believe they are the only true Americans

I for one love the injuns.

[Quote] Because Americans are not mass migrating to a country and claiming their success as immigrants in said country is because of a superior American culture. Are you serious?

Americans constantly claim it has a superior culture than most of the world.

[quote]DL and MAGA hate brown people

And the Dems now hate Latino men (added to the list of their hatred for Jews and university quotas for Asians)

What a bunch of nonsense R503. Nonetheless, the prominence of skin whitening cream in India is problematic to say the least.

[quote] One thing about immigrants is that they discriminate in favor of each other, which is technically illegal.

True. One of the parking garages closest to LAX is now almost completely Eritrean/Ethiopian. I guess one way to avoid anti-immigrant bias is to surround yourself with countrymen.

R503, keep pretending that. Despite all the propaganda, 80% of Jews voted for Kamala.

[Quote] Nonetheless, the prominence of skin whitening cream in India is problematic to say the least.

Problematic for whom, exactly?

R495 - oh please - you link to an Immigration council website? Do you know how OLD some of those companies are on the top 500? It says created by immigrants or children of immigrants - going back, over 100 years?

They're reaching back in time to claim success. No one has said immigration in America hasn't been a good thing over time.

But you can't say the vast majority of new businesses are created by immigrants - no, it's about 20%. And how many of those close? The vast majority of small businesses fail.

You're reaching - but yet you fail once again with your propaganda.

R498 - you have any stats on that? No - you're just pulling shit out of your ass again.

There's one guy who has posted 60 times in this thread who is steadfastly so pro-immigration and calling Americans stupid and not smart enough to work these jobs.

He keeps saying shit without any facts or evidence - just immigration is GOOD because Americans are stupid and lazy.

I've always found indians to be kind but then I'm nice and polite to them. I've often gotten freebies from stores and restaurants just by treating them like humans.

r510 see r439

The poster is a troll and you all keep feeing him

*feeding

r492 The whole point is that we CAN do the work, but visas are being given to depress wages and avoid hiring Americans who have more legal rights than the visa holders.

Immigrants do hurt the economy when they are allowed to send money home. It reduces the velocity of money in this country plus sends cash to failed oligarchical states which have not dealt with their own income inequaloity issues.

R514 - exactly. This whole discussion has been conflated with a general discussion about immigration, which is a related but separate issue to the H1B1 or for Canada and UK, the 'student' visas which are being excessively abused.

We had extremely strict immigration laws from the 1920s through the late 1960s - and indeed, they were racist. But people also enjoyed one of the highest levels of living that we still look back in awe at.

Why? There were limited amount of workers so people had to be paid more - along with the obvious benefits of being the victors after WW2 and not having any destruction in our country.

Other countries have not had the huge population growth that we've had over the past 50 years. They've had to provide for their citizens and manage growth.

Plus there is nothing saying we have to keep growing our population in order to survive and thrive. We can pivot and do more for those who are here, instead of creating this artificially low and precarious standard of living to keep people exhausted but terrified to ask for anymore lest we lose our jobs and healthcare.

Due to population myths on the right, our country is becoming more like India every day. Already it's cheaper to hire more workers in most states than employee labor savings machines.

[Quote] We had extremely strict immigration laws from the 1920s through the late 1960s - and indeed, they were racist. But people also enjoyed one of the highest levels of living that we still look back in awe at.

We also taxes the rich at 95%. The post WW2 era was an economic boom not because we restricted immigrants but because our taxation was so high and that money was plowed right back into the economy by building roads, airports, etc

[Quote] Immigrants do hurt the economy when they are allowed to send money home. It reduces the velocity of money in this country plus sends cash to failed oligarchical states which have not dealt with their own income inequaloity issues.

The amount of money sent back is a pittance. Plus, it helps the economies of other countries—which means fewer poor migrants coming to the US

[Quote] The whole point is that we CAN do the work, but visas are being given to depress wages and avoid hiring Americans who have more legal rights than the visa holders.

Utter bullshit. We can’t do the work. Not enough American STEM grads.

I’m calling BS on the depressed wages. The people who work in Silicon Valley still have to live in silicon valley

R518 - true - that was another factor. There was money for things and Republicans didn't shit on the government every chance they got back then.

But the immigration laws of 1920s and the Depression lowered births so there was a limited amount of workers among the pre-Baby Boomer generation. Some historians are calling that generation the Lucky Few generation.

R520 - utter bullshit. You have any facts on that? Again, you just pull shit out of your ass.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.

[Quote] But the immigration laws of 1920s and the Depression lowered births so there was a limited amount of workers among the pre-Baby Boomer generation. Some historians are calling that generation the Lucky Few generation.

The problem with lowered births is economies don’t boom when the middle class isn’t growing. Bringing in new middle class immigrants (which the new laws favored) helped the economy boom

Global distribution of STEM grads

The problem with the “they’re getting cheap labor” argument is that, if it were true, why is it mainly happening in computer engineering?

Why not in marketing, banking, architecture, dance etc?

R525 - so countries with more population have more STEM grads? You also need to define a STEM degree - like we've said plenty of times, they have degree mills in India churning out these 'grads' that have the bare minimum knowledge.

Then they become H1B1 workers and placed on teams where their American counterparts have to support them and bring them up to speed.

Not sure what you think your graph or link is showing, but it's not persuasive. You DO see that there are a lot of American STEM grads, right? There's no way we have THAT many more STEM jobs than what we can produce internally.

Seriously - are you learning anything from the posts here? You're just posting the same drivel and it gets knocked down time and again.

R524 - No - it was CREATING a large middle class. We weren't importing all of these middle-class immigrants in the 40s 50s and 60s. It was through higher wages, GI bill, and the higher wages allowing regular people to afford to send their kids to low cost universities.

R526 - yes - it's almost like one industry is abusing this to their advantage because if Indian workers WERE so much better, then we'd see it in all economic sectors, right?

This is exactly what we're fucking talking about you clueless moron!

r506, I do not hate Latino men, but like the Muslims of Michigan, they simply do not understand what voting against their interests are in a complex political climate. All those poor Muslims who voted for Trump are now

1] Looking at a complete Trump complicit genocide of Gaza, and

2] The possible deportation of naturalized citizens and relatives to...GAZA?

Trump's murder of Muslim Americans will not be complete until Bibi has killed them.

If they are lucky, they'll get deported to Belarus.

r439 Does that poster know Indian women are also helpless and stupid given the state of women's rights there??

Also those Indian doctors don't have student loan debt as college is free or at least a lot lower than the USA, so they can accept lower pay and go to those rural areas. If we have such a shortage of doctors in rural areas, the government could wipe out or half the medical school debt of US doctors.

[Quote] they have degree mills in India churning out these 'grads' that have the bare minimum knowledge.

So now they’re degree mills? Even Indians from degree mills are better educated than Americans to these jobs

[quote]We had extremely strict immigration laws from the 1920s through the late 1960s - and indeed, they were racist. But people also enjoyed one of the highest levels of living that we still look back in awe at.

Yes, that's what America needs to do in order to be "great" again. Restrictive and racist immigration laws, rampant discrimination against minorities in housing, education and employment, homosexuality viewed as mental illness, back alley abortions, World War 2, the pissing contest between the U.S. and Soviet Union, and so on.

When people look back at those years as idyllic or something we should strive to "return to," take a moment and remember what the hell was going on back then. It is really just coded language for "I see a demographically changing country with too many 'others' standing in the way of 'real' Americans whose lives are being wrecked by them. It was so great when straight White, Christian males held a disproportionate amount of power by keeping everyone else in check." You constantly hear that from those on the right and I believe that's why they vote for people like Trump thinking he can somehow turn back time to that era.

When they figure out that we aren't ever going back to that no matter how many people we deport, how many laws are passed that are obviously intended to suppress minority voting rights, removing equal protections for gays, controlling women's rights to make decisions about their own bodies, etc, this country will again have the opportunity to move forward.

R533 - yes just a cursory Google search would show the Indian degree mills that I mention.

You truly are stupid. Bending over backwards to defend this bullshit.

And here's R534 - throwing in EVERY societal wrongdoing he can in order to bolster his argument. Trying to make immigration law and H1B1 issues on the same par as gay rights and abortion? Dude - you look and sound INSANE.

Just because you're losing the argument, you can't throw anything against the wall in a tantrum that has nothing to do with immigration or H1B1 issues. You look like a fool.

R535 Dude, if you don't like was I said, fine. But don't call me insane or a fool, neither of which I am. Who the fuck do you think you are? I can be just as disrespectful as you are ASSHOLE. My reply is as relevant as yours and it is on topic. This thread has gone off the rails dozens of times. Hell, it became pure bigotry, stereotyping and hate speech several times and you choose to bitch about my comment? Find someone else who will argue back and forth with you, because I'm not doing it after this. SHOVE IT and enjoy your misery, sir.

Most of these jobs will soon be replaced by AI

What is crazy is I agree with both R534 and R535.

You try working with someone who constantly asks questions and uses phrases like “today morning” or misuses words like “doubt”, and tell me how you feel.

[quote]We had extremely strict immigration laws from the 1920s through the late 1960s - and indeed, they were racist. But people also enjoyed one of the highest levels of living that we still look back in awe at.

It's true. And during those post WWII boom years (1945-1970), immigration was actually declining.

R539 just confirming that you only want to engage with people who don't get words wrong? Do you live in a bubble?

I have zero problem with Indian or any one coming to the US and getting work. I do have a problem with sponsored people who are essentially forced labor. Look at Elon. He laid off hundreds of workers at Tesla then hired H1B workers to replace them at a lower cost.

Proof that h1b1 workers are paid less and subsequently suppress wages. There is a pay differential ranging from 6 percent to 40%.

R543, the source is a little shady

Even the Church committee exposing the CIA's secrets was indirectly caused by the GOP. Schlesinger fired 1,000 people from the covert ops group when he was made CIA director. He then asked Colby to encourage the employees to rat out anything they had seen in 25 years that was potentially illegal. That led to a 639 page document which he shared with Congress, which, surprise surprise, leaked.

r545 wrong thread??

r481 Thankfully we don't get any Indian nationalist.

All the want from easing the H1B requirements is to replace expensive US workers with cheaper Indian workers who are unable to complain or leave. It is the opposite of moving your manufacturing out of the country to save money. It is moving your workforce into the country to save money.

H1B visas are specifically not immigrant visas and are generally restricted to two three year periods - six years total. I had an employee on such a visa once (not from India once) and can see how easily it could lend itself to labor abuses.

IMHO the 1922 immigration restriction contributed the Great Depression. Also IMHO, the large number of highly desirable immigrants fleeing fascism, along with strong unions and high government investment in Infrastructure and R&D all contributed to the postwar boom.

There is loan replacement plan for MDs that go into research so there’s one that isn’t tied to geography.

What is their problem, R424? Are they doing this to troll people, or are they just cheapskates who like free stuff?

[QUOTE] I have zero problem with Indian or any one coming to the US and getting work. I do have a problem with sponsored people who are essentially forced labor. Look at Elon. He laid off hundreds of workers at Tesla then hired H1B workers to replace them at a lower cost.

No one twisted their arm to come over here Mary, therefore they aren't forced labor.

We need to kill this notion once and for all that immigrants (llegal or legal) are somehow victims because they make bad choices in life when they come over here. They are not victims.

I never said anyone twisted thier arms. In fact it is attractive to them because they get to come to the US, make more money than they would in their home country and send it back home, maybe establish a life here. Not blaming them at all. It's the corporations and by proxy the billionaires who don't want to pay Americans a market rate for their skills. Look at the other poster. Layoffs at Amazon, Tesla and Meta. America workers replaces with H1B visa workers who do the same work for cheaper AND cannot leave the job they are brought here to do, One of my co-workers is from India on an H1B. We talk openly about pay and he makes a lot less than I do and we do the same work. He cannot get a raise because he is afraid to ask for one for fear of being replaced with another H1B visa person. He cannot look for another job because he requires sponsorship. He is locked into his job. That is why all these billionaire tech guys want easier H1B visas. To replace expensive American workers with cheap labor from India. People who cannot job hop, ask for raises or even think about complaining, They don't know any better when they get here and when they find out, there is nothing they can do about it.

Good debate. Don't like the host.

Good debate my ass, a couple of maga numb nutz

And a bunch of Indian nerds justifying their working 80 hours a week as HIB coolies or as doctors who had to choose between Prankartatesh, Jaipuristant over Uranus, Oklahoma.

They just mad because they *thought* Republicans liked them. SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE.

I am going to laugh when Food prices stay high (eggs are already soaring again due to avian flu), gas prices go high, American white-collar workers are replaced with H1B visa people and the economy goes to shit all thanks to Musk and Trump. Oh and your healthcare is gutted. All thanks to the Orange Cheeto and his co-president Elon.

Unfortunately, I think there's a lot of long-held animosity towards Indians because of the way they treated the Cowboys.

Running away from their fucked up garbage nation to professional class wages in the US.

A caste fueled, brain drain powered hollowing out of India.

Allowing the US to neglect its impoverished lower classes. Because hey! fuck them. Flyover state poverty imbeciles.

Not good for India, not good for the US.

[quote]Running away from their fucked up garbage nation to professional class wages in the US.

The U.S. is a 'garbage can' according to the asshole-elect, so they are going from garbage to garbage.

[quote]Allowing the US to neglect its impoverished lower classes. Because hey! fuck them. Flyover state poverty imbeciles.

If they voted for Trump, they deserve what they get. No sympathy at all from me for those who gave him power again. I guess some people need to be fucked over in order to see they were lied to and learn that his 'concepts of a plan' were nothing but bullshit.