Woman set on fire and burned alive on NYC Subway

Was this the type of risk for Subway riders AOC warned us about after Daniel Penney was found not guilty?

Boris…election be over, come back to Ukrainian front.

Murdoch NY Post links give clickdollars and SEO to people who love Trump and hate gays.

OP = r1

Also, assuming the victim was homeless -- which seems likely, since she was asleep on the train -- MAGAs don't really give two fucks about her. They'd be happy to round her up and ship her off to a camp, in fact. Don't kid yourselves.

I just saw this on X. There is a video of the woman standing on the train on fire. The suspected was watching it before the police shooed him away. Can't get more fucked up than this situation. I think he poured an accelerant on her. Can someone someone really burst into flames from a match, even if they're covered with liquor?

[quote]Can someone really burst into flames from a match, even if they're covered with liquor?

Liquor IS an accelerant.

More people will be burned alive in public places beacuse retards like R2 insist that any discussion of such occurences is just Russian propaganda. Open your fucking eyes!

OK progressives on here bleating about Boris and MAGA (talk about fucking lazy, empty rhetoric), who do you find responsible for this and do you suggest that we simply ignore the fact that a woman was purposefully burned alive on a subway train because it inconveniences your politics?

Here you go, r9

Merry Christmas

That video is insane cuz like how is she staring there just slightly shifting around but completely on fire. Also how the hell does that cop just walk by without trying to smother the fire do anything.

Thank goodness no one pulled the Daniel Penny on The suspect and that beautiful man who wanted nothing more than to brutally murder a woman will continue to live his best life.

The alleged assilant was probably just an innocent child-like Michael Jackson impersonator seeking a fresh start.

Neoliberalism made him do this.

Evil.

Stomach churning.

Sad. I’m sure this is getting national press because of Daniel Penny but this is sad. This is horrible way to go. Once in a blue moon these type of incidents happen. It’s just fucking sad.

To all the non New Yorkers chiming in to claim cosmetic political points. STOP. STOP. 🛑 This is a woman’s life. A homeless woman who, lets be real, most of you wouldn’t give 2 shits about.

Boris checkin in here, here's the suspect. Shocking.

If he don’t have no papers he definitely getting deported.

I took a nap on an R train when I was around 20 years old. I awakened with a stranger's hand on my crotch, but kept my eyes closed out of fear. I bolted out of the train when the doors opened.

I have ridden public transportation for most of my adult life, and I would never, and I repeat never, so much as doze off.

R22 in a normal country you could.

Incredible!

Gov. Hochul just put out a tweet celebrating how successful her plan has been for making the subway safe by sending the National Guard into the system.

[quote] If he don’t have no papers he definitely getting deported.

Deported? He should be executed by being set on fire in Times Square. If we had punishments that matched the brutality and savagery of the crime there would be less crime.

From the looks of him, this is definitely fuel for the 'deport em all' crowd.

Sick crime no matter what his citizenship. This person should be put down like a rabid dog, or at minimum, locked up for life.

[Quote[Murdoch NY Post links give clickdollars and SEO to people who love Trump and hate gays.

Pete Repete needs to get a life

[Quote] OP = [R1]

OP = this creature — FF and block

[quote]Also how the hell does that cop just walk by without trying to smother the fire do anything.

Ask Joe Lozito. As he was getting hacked on the subway by a madman, two officers were in the next car watching through the window and did nothing to intervene. The officers were later cited as "heroes."

[quote]Lozito later found out the police knew Gelman was dangerous but did nothing to help him when he was being stabbed because they thought Gelman had a gun; they only acted to help once Gelman was already on the ground

R18 Fuck off

R3 is why they hate us.

r18 has STATED HER BOUNDARIES.

Hey look, 93 year old women are raped in Pittsburgh. I wonder why OP doesn’t post those stories.

In fact, crime is absolutely rampant in red states. Just check the crime rates. I wonder why OP doesn’t post those stories.

And me, out of chestnuts.

R1 NO, the killer is an illegal Latinx—not possible!

R24 They should play the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme every time Hochul opens her mouth.

[quote] Sick crime no matter what his citizenship. This person should be put down like a rabid dog, or at minimum, locked up for life.

Lifetime in prison is too expensive for taxpayers.

[Quote] That video is insane cuz like how is she staring there just slightly shifting around but completely on fire. Also how the hell does that cop just walk by without trying to smother the fire do anything.

What r12 said...could it have been from extreme intoxication? How was she not flailing about for her life? RIP to this poor lady and this vile POS needs to meet an equal end. He looks like a remorseless fucking psycho in his face.

The arsonist/murderer is an illegal immigrant from Guatemala.

R39 There is NO such thing as an “illegal” human being/folx!!!

I’ve dozed off on the train before. Never missed a stop or been burned alive thus far.

This beautiful inbred specimen of Latinx culture should be publicly flayed alive. Instead, NY will pay for him to live his next five decades in prison.

I've loved seeing the right wingers trying to pretend they give a shit about homeless people.

R41 Oh okay then I guess lets just drop this, because you've never had that happen. But you're minimizing an unhoused person's life, I guess you don't care either.

MAGA only cares about crime if the perpetrator is illegal. The 99.99% of crime that is down by Americans doesn’t matter

The problem with deporting criminals, even illegal ones, is they come right back

What an awful life r3 must have to care so little about a human life brutally taken and to care so much about search engine optimization. What an awful, fucked up life.

Don't hang your shit on me, r47. Fucking screwball.

This is why I stopped giving out hand sanitizer to anyone who asked.

Unhoused people were using it to make small heating fires with rolled up cardboard which is ok.

THEN, young shits started squirting the sanitizer on tents and setting them on fire. So much fun for them….

She wasn't a rich CEO so we don't give a shit.

It's fucking HOMELESS, unhoused is fucking CLINICAL sounding, go to hell, go FF r49!

R50: “She wasn't a rich CEO so we don't give a shit.

—Mayor Adams and the NYPD”

For the same reason, we don’t give a shit either.

I'm impressed that they caught him within hours. Not easy to do.

They got him because of tips from the public, not dogged police work.

How do yall know this is defacto. I’m only asking because it could just be another right wing racist. Like how do you know. Did this guy do it relentlessly.

R47 She really only cares that she can think her self superior for posting the same meaningless bullshit, over and over and over again.

Your Russophobia is killing Queer Teens, R2.

Why would someone do this? Psychotic ep.?

r58 some people are just fucked up beyond all comprehension. We'll never understand.

Deport him to Mars. No country on earth deserves to be stuck with him.

Again, people will obviously mental health problems are being portrayed like they are just normal people doing crazy things

Welcome to Trump's America.

latin are the spaniards, the italian and the portuguese, including their descendants such as many cubans, argentineans and brazilians. this individual is an indio, fucking stop calling indios from latin america “latinos”.

r63, who the fuck cares. They’re all spics

r64 gringo huele culo

[quote]Woman set on fire and burned alive on NYC Subway

I remember when something like this would have been a big deal and covered on the National nightly news shows.

Those days are long gone.

How’d that idiot get through?

R67 one of about 6 million illegals who slipped through during the Biden administration.

I wonder what AOC will say about this one. Will she sympathize with the assailant or the victim? Stay tuned.

Where is the TERRORISM charge? Oh wait, she's not a rich CEO.

Yes, the MAGA trolls be thick here until we thin them out a wee bit.

Follow the drool trails.

Will the Mayor escort this killer with an armed police escort from a Wall Street helipad to his arraignment in court?

Or is that only for people who kill healthcare CEOs?

[quote] Where is the TERRORISM charge? Oh wait, she's not a rich CEO.

Unless a police investigation reveals political motivation, this is not terrorism.

[Quote] one of about 6 million illegals who slipped through during the Biden administration.

That number seems to change every time someone mentions it

[Quote] Unless a police investigation reveals political motivation, this is not terrorism.

The guy who shot up a Buffalo grocery store (Tops) in hopes of starting a race war wasn’t changed with terrorism

R76, he should have been.

[Quote] Unless a police investigation reveals political motivation, this is not terrorism.

What political motive did Luigi have? He never said he wanted all insurance CEOs to be killed or that he wanted Americans to rise up against insurance companies

Since when did that matter r74? Luigi was not a "politically" motivated shooting. The CEO was not a politician and the motivation had nothing to do with politics. It was a symbolic gesture.

R43 1-as opposed to democrats like who who seem to feel so saddened? Fuck you.

r72 shouting MAGA is meaningless and shows what a simpleton you are.

And saying terrorism charges apparently only apply to rich CEOs is quite the opposite of being MAGA, no?

AOC is revolting. I nearly blew a gasket after seeing what she said a few days back then this shit?

R82, the only reason AOC cared is because this happened to a black man. Woud they have cared if the Penny was black and the homeless assailant was white? No. Some stupid woman claimed that what happend to the homeless person was a "lynching." Comments like those add fuel to the fire to the claim that progressives and liberals care more about assailants than victims.

“ Yes, the MAGA trolls be thick here until we thin them out a wee bit.

Follow the drool trails.”

I followed the drool trails. They led right back to r72 🤤

[quote]How’d that idiot get through?

Talk about living in a bubble...

I don't see why dummies on this thread from either side are assuming that the "progressive" stance is to get defensive or ignore. Yes, we live in an ugly country where hundreds of thousands of people have no roof over their heads and many are subject to violence on the street---all true. That doesn't mean the mental health crisis isn't getting worse. I think the issue in this particular case is that trains and train stations could easily become sadistic no-go zones they have been at various other points in time, maybe even worse than they have ever been before, without some kind of unassailable citizen protection program. I don't care if they're cops as long as they're not allowed to arrest people for non-violent offenses. Lots of losers not wanting to backtrack on their "defund the police" commitments they made back in 2020, despite being middle-class people who live in safe neighborhoods and can afford to take Uber everywhere. Of course this is all short-term talk---what we really need us universal housing and to bring back mental hospitals.

Petula warned you bitches.

r87 are you also r70?

Is this something we really need to deal with here ? Thanks Uncle Joe and Twat Kamala!

^Doug Emhoff^

Welp.

[quote]But you're minimizing an unhoused person's life...

Can you explain the precise rush of virtue I'm supposed to feel by trading "homeless" to "unhoused", because it seems beyond self-serving and caucasian!

Maybe now progressives will shut their idiotic yaps.

I have never heard anyone use the term "unhoused person" in real life. Or "birthing people". But online is a different story.

In addition to universal housing and soft institutionalization for crazies who can't manage baseline social assimilation, we need to lock sadistic violent offenders up forever.

R95, isn't there some statistic that shows ~5% of criminals commit 90% of crimes? I don't remember the exact one. But, based on that, I would say those repeat offenders need to be locked away for life.

So much DIVERSITY enhancing our lives!

So many sick people out there. Make me want to shut myself away.

This crap is what brought Trump back. So blame yourselves .

[quote]Deport him to Mars. No country on earth deserves to be stuck with him.

PLANETPHOBE! MARS ISN'T AT FAULT HERE AND YOUR PLANET PRIVILEGE NEEDS TO BE CHECKED!

New York is the shittiest state in America. A whole population of wild animals posing as humans. The most heinous crimes in the country always occur in the cesspool known as the east coast. The most inept police department as well.

[quote] The most heinous crimes in the country always occur in the cesspool known as the east coast.

Yes, but not in the northern part.

THiS GIRL IS ON FIRE!!!🔥

R76 He was charged and pled guilty to domestic terrorism, if Wikipedia is correct.

"On November 28, 2022, Gendron pleaded guilty to all state charges in the shooting, including murder, domestic terrorism, and hate crimes."

[quote]Yes, but not in the northern part.

Not true.

NY State has a much higher rate of violent crime than Florida.

i'm on fire

AN ILLEGAL MIGRANT FROM GUATEMALA!

R105 - I googled it and they disagree: "Homicides, which rarely go unreported, are 44 percent lower in New York (2.9 per 100,000) than in Florida (5.2), whose homicide rate is slightly above the national average rate of 5 per 100,000. Taken together, this data strongly suggests that crime is much more common in Florida than in New York (FBI, 2019 )."

That poor woman. This freak murderer needs to get shanked ad they’re fingerprinting him.

Wouldn’t liquor bottles be rolling all over, not gathered around her.

We had a women set on fire in a subway station here in Toronto 2 years ago and she died of her injuries. She wasn't homeless. She was just waiting for the train to leave the station on her way to her job. The bastard sprayer her with something flammable . We were told it was a hate crime. The sick fuck that did it was caught. Of course he's probably mentally ill and this being Canada he's probably out on the streets again or will be very soon.

DLers which is safer, Chicago or NYC?

WHAT THE FUCK

This and the Germany Christmas market attack are the reasons that the world is turning right.

"This is an isolated incident. The typical NYC subway flamer arrives at his destination in Hell's Kitchen or Bushwick perfectly safe."

Oh ha ha ha R115. Lay off the homophobia, this is an LGBTQ+ board.

r19

[quote]what we really need us universal housing and to bring back mental hospitals.

I agree, but that is never going to happen in this country.

[quote]NY State has a much higher rate of violent crime than Florida.

Or, Tell me you're a troll without telling me you're a troll.

Poor areas in the south have much more violent crime than poor areas in the north.

R111 Yep. Vince Li could be boarding a bus next to you any time.

Sunny Hostin will NEVER discuss this subway incident on 'The View' because the criminal is from Guatemala. She won't suggest someone could have brought him a sandwich and a bottle of water to calm him down and maybe he'd put the ciggy lighter away. Nope - not happening with Sunny.

Where is Daniel Penny when you need him?

Y’all, please stop posting this disturbing shit. I know the world is on fire and I’d like a little escape here.

Some derpy twat who beheaded their infant gets posted because someone thought he was fuckable. The lady who killed kittens by stepping on them. People lighting themselves on fire. Enough, Jesus. This place is getting weird.

R112, as a Chicagoan, I can tell you NYC is far safer. The stats back that up too.

Please shut the fuck up, R124.

If you're such a precious little snowflake, then go somewhere else.

This is the world, like it or not.

And no one is going to sanitize it for you, or tip toe around you, or give you rose-tinted glasses, just so you can feel better about yourself.

Dumb fraucunt.

R115 You must be a complete imbecile. If you don’t think the someone being lit on fire is not an isolated incident you are an idiot. Show me the stats were it’s happening all the time. You don’t give a fuck about this homeless woman. Hell soon enough it will be illegal to be homeless.

R71 doesn't know crime charges and thinks it makes her smart, the MAGA loon.

I’m seeing all these left wing cunts screaming, “Why didn’t someone help her?!” The jokes write themselves.

[quote]Some derpy twat who beheaded their infant gets posted

Wait. What?

"I’m seeing all these left wing cunts screaming, “Why didn’t someone help her?!” The jokes write themselves."

What "joke?" It'll be pretty funny if right-wingers pretend to care about this, since they're very clear in their support for massive levels of homelessness over price controls on housing. Most Lefties are not pro-illegal immigration---it's a particular subsection of neoliberals who brand themselves as thought leaders who engage in the "immigrants are magical and they need to do jobs other humans don't want to do" narrative. Not all "Left-wing" people jumped on the highly performative and fleeting Defund the Police bandwagon. I'm an actual communist and have been for over 20 years---some "socialists" were involved in this campaigning, and some were merely agitating for the police to be held accountable for their thuggery.

[quote] It'll be pretty funny if right-wingers pretend to care about this, since they're very clear in their support for massive levels of homelessness over price controls on housing.

Price controls on housing would be a disaster but okay...

[quote] It'll be pretty funny if right-wingers pretend to care about this, since they're very clear in their support for massive levels of homelessness over price controls on housing.

Price controls on housing would be a disaster but okay...

A "disaster?" I'm a Marxist, but I'll approach this from the standpoint of social democrat who knows capitalism isn't going anywhere. A disaster in what way? And what do you think of the market currently? I Hoe far away is it from being a disaster?

It’s funny that the media won’t mention this woman was homeless when it would be in the headline had she committed a crime. The Post wants to scare the Real Housewives of Park Slope.

[quote] Price controls on housing would be a disaster but okay...

20 years ago, economist said that NY's rent control was keeping prices high. NY completely changed the laws around rent control so it's very difficult to keep it going past one generation. And prices in NY are STILL crazy high. Taking thousands of apartments off rent control did nothing to lower the prices.

So spare me the "price controls on housing would be a disaster" BS

The immigrant arsonist arrived here in 2018 under team trump.

The victim was 29, she wasn't homeless and had a Phd. She worked with fiber crafts.

I know MAGA wants to make more of this but the facts are that NO ONE WILL FIX THE BORDER!!!! Republicans will fucking hurumph about this shit until their cunts bleed but they do not want to fix it since it's all they have to scare the public and blame everything on the Democrats and the fucking Democrats have got to fucking man up and hit back against this harder. Taking the high road has destroyed us. The reality is that the administration has deported more illegal immigrants than trump.

If you keep getting suckered by the border nonsense, you have a rude awakening coming. They are using this shit to justify a goddamn theocratic nation and you're all falling for it. Maybe you should all be paying better attention to the atrocities your American born neighbors have been up to because they behead babies, pay 17 year olds for sex and will only marry single women with kids so they can molest them.

R108 Florida has a slightly higher homicide rate, but overall NY's violent crime rate is much higher.

Violent crime x state:

These numbers are from the FBI:

Price control don't work. New York has a housing crisis because it doesn't build housing. Price controls would simply make the issue worse. Rent control exacerbates the high price of housing but it isn't the biggest cause. The biggest cause is lack of supply. This is why rents in Austin, Texas are declining even though record numbers of people are moving in. They build housing at crazy rates. Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, LA, etc. do not.

R137 oh shit. She wasn’t homeless. Apologies for spreading misinformation. I got that from someone else on this site. And it’s seemed to make sense as homeless people are the only people I have ever seen completely knocked out on the train like that. Like sleep beyond cat napping to realize someone is pouring liquor on them. So sad.

When was the woman identified?

I’ve seen some unverified bullshit posted on X, but as far as I can tell, no ID has been made.

[quote]The victim was 29, she wasn't homeless and had a Phd. She worked with fiber crafts.

Source, r137?

Per the Washington Post (within the past hour):

[quote]Gulotta said there was “no interaction” between the suspect and the victim, and that the woman was “motionless” before the attack. Police said the two probably did not know each other. It was not clear why the woman was set on fire, authorities said, and they did not know her identity.

[quote] A "disaster?" I'm a Marxist

Bigger off, Boris.

[quote]I know MAGA wants to make more of this but the facts are that NO ONE WILL FIX THE BORDER!!!! Republicans will fucking hurumph about this shit until their cunts bleed but they do not want to fix it since it's all they have to scare the public and blame everything on the Democrats and the fucking Democrats have got to fucking man up and hit back against this harder.

r137 This sounds amazingly similar to what the Democrats did with Roe v. Wade. It's almost like politicians be politickin.' Weird.

[quote] Price control don't work. New York has a housing crisis because it doesn't build housing. Price controls would simply make the issue worse.

Keeping housing stock fixed and seeing what the reduction in rent control does to rents seems like the perfect experiment set up.

NY kept housing stock relatively fixed and severely cut rent control. Rents went up dramatically, now down as economists predicted they should.

[quote] This sounds amazingly similar to what the Democrats did with Roe v. Wade. It's almost like politicians be politickin.' Weird.

It's actually NOT what Dems did because Roe V Wade was already the law of the land. No one, not even the GOP, thought SCOTUS would end Roe v Wade altogether. In fact, by the time we all realized it, Dems didn't have enough power to codify it.

[quote] Florida has a slightly higher homicide rate, but overall NY's violent crime rate is much higher.

The FBI's 2020 Uniform Crime Report states that Miami's total crime rate was greater than New York City's. Miami had a violent crime rate of 556 per 100,000 residents, whereas New York City had a rate of 384 per 100,000.May 7, 2024

[quote] Florida has a slightly higher homicide rate, but overall NY's violent crime rate is much higher.

The FBI's 2020 Uniform Crime Report states that Miami's total crime rate was greater than New York City's. Miami had a violent crime rate of 556 per 100,000 residents, whereas New York City had a rate of 384 per 100,000.May 7, 2024

If we go from State to State comparison to biggest city to biggest city comparison, we see that Miami has a higher crime rate

[quote] Dems didn't have enough power to codify it.

Of course they did. They had decades.

[quote]Roe V Wade was already the law of the land.

r147 No it wasn't. It was never codified into law. It had been standing on shaky ground from the start. The Dems had opportunities to codify it when there was a super majority. They just never did. But they kept running on it as a dangling carrot issue for their constituents. They're just as culpable. It was able getting votes to get into or remain in power, not actually doing something for the benefit of the people. It's the exact same thing Republicans have been doing with illegal immigration.

It's just politicians playing power play games and we're all caught in the middle of their bullshit. As always.

good riddance to both

[quote] Of course they did. They had decades.

Roe v Wade was the standard for 49 years. Dems (stupidly) didn't think it would ever fall. It wasn't something that Dems even ran on so the comparison is specious.

The GOP runs on open borders but has defeated every major border bill in the last 20 years.

[quote] The Dems had opportunities to codify it when there was a super majority.

Dems have rarely been in the supermajority but when they had they had other things to worry about--stimulus to keep the country's economy moving, getting us our of deep recession, Obamacare, etc.

It's silly when people say: Dems should have done it when they had a supermajority!! Dems did lots of things in the 150 days they had as a supermajority under Obama--codifying a 49 year standard that didn't look like it would fall wasn't even on the list.

Pathetically, the Dems ran on it this time, and lost. Women don't seem to care

The NYT is trying to bury this

[quote] Of course they did. They had decades.

Decades of what? Having absolute power? Nope

[quote]R58 Why would someone do this? Psychotic ep.?

Maybe the victim and the perp were a couple and earlier there was a dispute. Maybe she didn’t share her booze with him?

What I’m saying is they might have both been drifters, with a history.

They were lovers

Yep. She's definitely toast now.

Was she a Health Insurance CEO? I need to know how I feel about this.

R155, people also forget that the Democratic Party was a VERY different party, same with the Republican party. There were a LOT of conservative dems back then, many of them opposed to abortion. That's why all these comments from stupid people saying "why didn't the dems just codify Roe" annoy the shit out of me, they are no better than the comments about how Bill Clinton was evil because of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. People are very ignorant about context.

"Bigger off, Boris."

Dude, you need to get out more of you think "Marxist" is a slur. The right's futile attempts over three decades to popularize the concept of "cultural Marxist" notwithstanding, most Americans don't think whatever it is that's going through your mind when they hear the word. "Socialism" gets a worse rap these days, because of AIC and Antifa, lol. But, I describe myself as both as well as a Communist, depending on the context---I am a Marxist, ideologically belong to various US socialist orgs (sadly, they've all been on life support for the last 40 years), and can also be called a communist for reasons too esoteric and boring to go into for DL.

"Price control don't work. New York has a housing crisis because it doesn't build housing."

Bullshit, lol. Something like 7% of the housing supply in NYC just sits unoccupied.

"No one, not even the GOP, thought SCOTUS would end Roe v Wade altogether."

Who passed all pf those trigger and trap laws at the state level and regulated all pf those abortion clinics out of practice if not the GOP? I mean, it was only 15 years, but 15 years of that kind of effort requires real strategy coordination and resources coming down from the party itself.

Only about 1.5% of NYC housing is vacant. Not sure where the 7% comes from.

You mean "vacant to rent." That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking warehoused.

As well as pied-a-terres that *never* get used

Trash. I fucking hate these migrants. how can they be allowed back/.

R148 Follow the thread. See post R102. Florida.

In response, I stated that NY STATE has a higher violent crime rate than FLORIDA. The comparison is between States.

And that is TRUE according to the FBI.

NY STATE has a higher violent crime than Florida.

Got it now?

According to the CDC, NY's violent crime rate is 4.5 whil Florida's is 7.2

R153 Mao I disagree. I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Passing legislation isn’t just an easy process. Roe v. Wade has been settled since the 70s. Not codifying 5 decade established law isn’t the same as the same as not taking action on the present illegal immigration issue. And we all know the first 2 decades after its ruling, codifying it would have been political suicide because America is mad religious.

R171 There are over 10 million people in New York. Miami, Atlanta, New Orleans, all them southern cities have way more violent crime than New York. Stop arguing with that troll. It’s not worth it.

R173 I don't make up statistics for the FBI. Idiot.

The troll is you.

R6 can you post a link of the video.

[quote] Decades of what? Having absolute power? Nope

They did, multiple times. They could have codified it. They decided not to.

[quote] Dude, you need to get out more of you think "Marxist" is a slur.

The irony. 🤣

r137 is full of shit

R137 You are indeed full of shit. R178 is correct.

Many years ago in Boston, I was at a club and met a cute guy. We talked a while, also drank a lot, and I asked him to come home with me. We were on the red line as I was living in Quincy then. For those of you unfamiliar - it's very dark until you go through tunnels then the lights turn on. Well in one of these tunnels I happened to notice he was fast asleep. Also, as I was sobering up, he was not nearly as cute as I thought he was. When my stop came, I got up and left him sleeping. Who knows what happened to the poor guy.

[quote]NY State has a much higher rate of violent crime than Florida.

[quote]Or, Tell me you're a troll without telling me you're a troll.

R119 Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot. Fact: NY State has a much higher rate of violent crime than Florida

That he did this is horrific. That he then got off the train and sat on a bench to calmly watch her burn to death, feet away, is next level.

But the New York News had it as "woman catches fire on Subway". LIke she just caught fire independently.

Why did she stand there burning?

[Quote] Who passed all pf those trigger and trap laws at the state level and regulated all pf those abortion clinics out of practice if not the GOP? I mean, it was only 15 years, but 15 years of that kind of effort requires real strategy coordination and resources coming down from the party itself.

Yes, lots of trigger and trap laws in conservative states.

There was no real demand to codify Roe because we were satisfied with the SCOTUS’s ruling. Dems knew very well, if Roe were codified when they had a supermajority, it would just be repealed when the GOP had a supermajority (and until then the GOP would use it to fundraise).

[Quote] According to the CDC, NY's violent crime rate is 4.5 whil Florida's is 7.2

Of course. With the exception of New Mexico, i think it is, all the most dangerous states in the USA are red states.

But reality is irrelevant to the little rightwing culture warriors like thread starter Defacto. They know that blue states are safer, so every time a crime happens in a blue state, theyll run to social media or a forum with it. “See, look what just happened. Blue state! Liberals coddle the blacks!”

It’s no different from christofascists pointing out every molestation of a boy by a man and then arguing “homos are pedos,” when molestation by heterosexuals is much more prevalent.

r186 did you check under your bed for Defacto?

The "It's Defacto" troll strikes again. Follow the thread idiot. The topic is NY state vs. Florida. NY State has a higher violent crime rate than Florida.

[quote] They know that blue states are safer

New Mexico, a blue state, has the highest rate of violent crime. California and Colorado are also in the top 10. Not a state, but the very blue District of Colombia has the highest violent crime rate of all.

However, States don't commit crime, people do. Violent crime is all about demographics. See FBI statistics.

R183, you are so right about that headline and I don't get it. Why not phrase it as "man sets woman on fire on subway"? That headline grabs more attention AND is accurate.

R188, you really are a troll.

I'm lighting a candle and praying for a Christmas miracle that you get chopped up by a 'cute' serial killer r180 🌲.

R180, that is horrible.

[quote]Zapeta-Calil, an undocumented immigrant from Guatemala, had been deported in 2018 and subsequently returned to the US illegally, according to federal immigration authorities. His most recent address in an arrest report was listed as a homeless shelter in Brooklyn for men struggling with substance abuse, the New York City Police Department said.

R180 is so stupid he doesn't understand the difference between homicide rates and violent crime rates. Florida has a homicide rate higher than NY State. However, overall, the violent crime rate is higher in NY State.

R193, that is messed up. Deported and then CAME BACK?

^ That post is in response to R190 not R180

R194, violent crime stats cannot be taken at face value with the exception of homicide stats. Homicides, unlike most violent and property crime, is not underreported.

R194, violent crime stats cannot be taken at face value with the exception of homicide stats. Homicides, unlike most violent and property crime, is not underreported.

I'm glad not much is said about the victim so far. The shock of this story might be tempered by her being more widely understood as homeless. Or it's downplayed. The right definitely has the ball with the perp's illegal status.

[Quote] Violent crime is all about demographics. See FBI statistics.

Wherever there are large wealth disparities, there is violent crime. The poor spark the most crime. The middle and upper classes have no reason to rob others

[Quote] The right definitely has the ball with the perp's illegal status.

And he came in during Trump’s administration

And was deported R201. Who knows when he snuck back in.

R201, and let me guess, our incompetent NY Times won't even bother to repeat that ad nauseum, will they? They SHOULD be doing that. But they won't. If it was Biden, they would make sure to repeat it to no end.

That’s the problem with just deporting the criminal illegals. They come right back

[Quote] And was deported [R201]. Who knows when he snuck back in

Likely during the same Trump administration

To R180, do not feel bad about your actions. I have left men blacked out on the subway in NYC and Philly(the El too), metro in Wash DC& The "L" in Chicago. I got up and left them blacked out sleeping, once told the 3 homeless guys " I took everything, but u can have his ass." From the 80s until I finished school, I was really mean.

I sadly did this once too on a train headed to the Bronx.

I just left him, sleeping, while I got off in Manhattan

You all are leaving pick ups asleep on the subway? I was not flush with money but going home with someone is a cab. You can hold hands (or whatever) in a cab. Though it now sounds like a brightly lit subway trip can forestall later regrets.

I just thought some levity might help. I shared a story from my past hoping people would laugh as it's about falling asleep on a train. Honestly this site has become a bunch of really uptight judgmental cunts. There aren't many places for us to go anymore, and it's getting to be less and less. This guy was an adult and a Bostonian and able to take care of himself - I'm sure he figured out what happened and just went home. What's with all the pearl clutching ..... your ass is so tight you couldn't pull a needle out with a tractor. no fun.

The only safe option for New Yorkers is to play crazy when getting on the subway. Absolutely no one with fuck with you if they think you're off.

Rob Stapleton, a NY native, had a whole instruction manual included in his stand-up routine on how to pull this off (seen at the 3:00 mark). Hopefully this tactic saves lives.

^ *will