Barbara Broccoli was okay with a gay or nonwhite actor playing Bond, but absolutely refused to consider a woman

Why not a woman? What's so "woke" about having another take on it?

I don't understand why we, as a moviemaking and moviegoing public, are so ball-and-chained to "pre-awareness IP" that we have these endless culture war skirmishes over whether the next James Bond should represent this or that demographic. Why not just say to hell with James Bond and produce something totally new?

The character is tired, a throwback to another era that is dead and buried, and frankly, I'm likelier to see a spy film that does *not* involve any character named James Bond. Ditto Jack Ryan.

Why not a dog?

[quote] Why not a dog?

Well there was talk of Barry Keoghan taking over the role.

[quote] Why not a dog?

Reminiscent of the anti-gay marriage grievance that people could then marry their dogs

They tried a woman spy with ATOMIC BLONDE

Even with the great Charlize Theron bumping pussies with another woman, the movie bombed

James Bond is man

R7, did it bomb because it was a woman or because it was just a bad movie?

“Before and After”

PA_CA_ES BA_BA_A B_OCCO_I

R8 it bombed because the main character was woman spy.

No man wants to see that.

R10, it bombed because the movie is a bore.

Atomic Blonde didn't bomb. It got $100 million in work box office with a budget of $30 million. That's a pretty big hit actually

Barbara needs to check out my "Red Sparrow"!

Atomic Blonde wasn’t a megahit and didn’t launch a new franchise

It bombed because men don’t want to imagine themselves being a suave pussy pounding super spy character with twat

[quote]LOL we gonna have a gay man President before a woman President aren’t we

No.

White women voters will not tolerate having another "minority" president take the Oval before a White woman serves.

R15 women hate other women more than any man

[Quote] Why not a woman? What's so "woke" about having another take on it?

Can we please not be so ridiculous?

Are we also considering redoing Pride and Prejudice with Elizabeth as a man?

R12 no it’s not. Cinemas and distributors take half. After advertising the producers would be lucky to break even.

R16 what makes you say that? This idea that women must support women they fundamentally disagree with is bizarre.

By that same measure, no one hates gay men more than other gay men AND straight men.

And no one hates women more than queeny gay guys.

“ LOL we gonna”

Smells like rancid Teacake

Call me with they make the bio of Harriet Tubman starring Julia Roberts as Harriet.

Why not? Sounds fair. (And nothing will convince me Craig is straight anyway but I said this elsewhere.)

I could see a bisexual James Bond, but even a totally gay James Bond would be a senseless move. If you want that, just make your own character and don't be a complete dingbat about the whole thing. You're clearly telling a whole different story, so stop fucking around and pretending to be updating anything.

We had our gay president with Obama, unless we cou t the claims about Lincoln, Kennedy, Clinton and a few others as fact.

Kennedy? Really? People actually think Kennedy? That's some desperate horseshit. And when you think about it, we don't need a gay president to "validate" ourselves or any of that shit. The truth is, if there was a gay president, it was probably James Buchanan, and he absolutely sucked. We're gay. It's fine, it's beyond fine. We don't need to invent awesome gay people in history. It makes absolutely no difference to our lives.

Bond cannot be a woman. He just can’t. Just as Superwoman can never be a man. She just can’t.

OP, that probably never happened. The Post just wants to bitch about "wokeness"

Good for BB

[quote]it bombed because the main character was woman spy.

Alias on ABC was quite the hit for a while. I don't think the public has any problem with a female spy.

They have a problem with taking characters that are more or less "set in stone" and "re-imagining" them. Doctor Who for example has the advantage that the Doctor can be reincarnated at any time. I don't think people really cared if the Doctor was a woman or black, or whatever.

James Bond is James Bond though (and has written source material to back up the character).

People cared that Doctor Who was a woman. They didn't like it. It changed the dynamic, for really no good reason but somebody wanted to make a silly statement.

In general, I don't think people mind a female spy at all, or actual heroines, but just make that the story and don't pretend to do some silly update for the purposes of saying, SEEE??? James Bond can be a woman too, y'all. Fuck off with that nonsense. It doesn't accomplish anything and doesn't make you some glorious feminist hero. Just do your own story and don't be stupid about it.

What is with this POS yammering illiterate OP who keeps crapping these passive-aggressive homophobic threads?

The fucking Broccolis hardly have ever demonstrated the best in human decency.

The same POS who posts anti-dog posts and anti God stuff

Maybe get Julie Newmar to play it.

In the 2004 movie "Layer Cake," Daniel Craig's character passed the baton to the one played by Tom Hardy; I thought that plot point would prove prescient. Too late now.

Maybe it's time to say "say goodnight, Gracie." James Bond had a great run (and ass), but he couldn't live forever.

A gay Bond is ridiculous. It's just anti canon. A black Bond is somewhat more acceptable.

Instead of rewriting established IP, why not write your own damn stuff.

I don't have a problem with a black woman captain on Star Trek. I have a huge problem making the black human woman Spock's adopted sister.

We don't need a gay, non-white, or woman Bond. Let Bond be Bond.

If you want a gay, non-white, or woman spy, write script for one. If you don't want to watch a straight, white, male Bond, then don't watch the movie and they'll stop making them if enough people aren't interested.

It's been done.

[quote]People cared that Doctor Who was a woman. They didn't like it. It changed the dynamic, for really no good reason but somebody wanted to make a silly statement.

Is the black Doctor Who going over better than the woman Doctor Who?

I'm looking forward to the David Tennant Dr. Who marathon starting Christmas Day on BBCAmerica.

Martha Jones!

[quote]People cared that Doctor Who was a woman. They didn't like it.

Um, no, it was Chibnall's shit writing that did her in, she was just fine. And shitty writing is about to do Gatwa in as well. This particular IP is exhausted and needs to be put to rest already, is what it all comes down to at the end of the day. The only reason it's still on is the built-in fanbase.

No Cunnie Cauliflower for me!

Gatwa is terrible. Russell T. Davies's fascinations don't have a 100% hit rate, bless him..

There's a reason the name is JAMES Bond. People need to realize that not everything has to automatically be equal between the sexes. What would be the use in making a remake of Mrs. Marple with a male in the role? Just make a new movie about a male amateur crime detective whose name was not Marple. What's so hard about that? As far as James Bond goes, why can't they just devise a new British Secret Service agent that is a woman whose name is not Bond?

Wow, R44, that's a huge creative leap you're asking of today's industry.

I'm not sure pro-united Irish Dornan would play ultra-British Bond.

The next Bond MUST be a trans, non binary, coloured, intellectually and physically disabled Me Too victim who has been persecuted on religious grounds.

R35 a black Bond is more palatable because, even though it’s not exactly true— because we like to think our race is independent of our personality. But your race can shape your personality. However, making Bond gay contradicts such a core tenet of the character’s personality that it cannot be forgiven. Bond is a pussy hound womanizer. There is no gay male equivalent. Yes there can be a stunning, slutty gay male Casanova but it manifests differently, thus the personality much differently, because of the sexual politics between men and women. To make Bond a woman is to essentially not make him Bond. Masculinity is to linked to it.

r47 shakes fists at clouds. Literally nobody was posting anything woke on this thread.

Assuming the new series is set in the present there would be no problem with a black Bond, because one assumes there are black spies nowadays. The problem with Idris Elba is that he's too old now. Bonds have been getting older: we need to go back to an under-40. Under 35 would be even better.

We know for sure there were always gay spies (Burgess and Blunt, for starters), and it's an interesting set of complexities to have a person who starts life pretending they're not gay, and then goes on to pretend they're not a spy, or in some cases, not a double agent. That character is not Bond, but it would make an interesting movie, or an interesting new character to have as a foil for him.

I think a female Bond-like character might be interesting. Bond-like in the sense of being ultra confident and in control in any situation, including social ones. It would be better than the female spy movies and TV shows that pretend a 115 pound woman can beat the crap out of a trained adult male (Canary Black or Designated Survivor). I’m embarrassed that I watched Canary Black. It’s awful in multiple ways, but Beckinsale runs like the kid who was always picked last in gym or Shia LaBeouf. The ridiculous platform shoes she wears in her sixth decade probably didn’t help. But she is very uncoordinated.

But I agree with R48. You can’t just switch the gender or sexual orientation of the specific James Bond character.

The concept has no appeal to women. They don’t fantasize about being super competent killers or overcoming danger.

Why must a non-white Bond automatically need to be black? Pedro Pascal or Henry Fielding would be just as good.

Luigi Mangione as the next 007!

The camera loves him, STRATOSPHERIC sex appeal, knows how to handle gun.

Woke woke, wokity woke woke woke.

R54 Too ghetto. He would be great as the long lost Italian son of Shaft.

RACI$T LE$BIAN TROLL ALERT!

[quote] Why must a non-white Bond automatically need to be black? Pedro Pascal or Henry Fielding would be just as good.

[quote] Luigi Mangione as the next 007!

Luigi would be a good choice visually at least. Would that he considered profiting from his crimes though? How about the multi-year commitment while he’s serving his sentence?

Theo James may be a good choice or Brenton Thwaites. Ben Barnes?

There not gna cast some well educated rich Italian-American 3 generations removed from Ellis Island poverty.

R16, you used to watch a lot of daytime soaps, eh?

Ben Whishaw says it should be Jonathan Bailey.

Barbara says that she's ok with a gay person playing Bond. Most of the other actors up for the role are gay, too, just not openly.

Brenton Thwaites seems to be the age they're looking for. Is Theo James too old at 40?

I would be happy for Johnathan Bailey but it’s a mistake to make the character gay.

The Bond is straight men.

No straight man will go to see a fag Bond.

Speaking of which,I would love for the creation of an original gay character who is a spy. So many different layers to it and so many different places you can go with the role.

Barbara has the right idea to push back against Amazon's algorithm-driven plans for the franchise. Look at how Disney treats Star Wars -- constantly pumping out terrible TV shows that flop and announcing films that will never be made. Giving Amazon what it wants will wreck the franchise, and Barbara seems to realize this.

But the James Bond character is kind of a relic from a bygone era. And there's a new spy show or film released about every week, which has reduced the novelty of the character and franchise. Maybe it's time to let it rest for a while. Casting a non-white person as Bond could work, but casting an openly gay actor probably wouldn't.

I'm surprised it's taken them this long to announce the next Bond.

It's been more than four years since "No Time to Die" was released.

R67 Has it really been 4 years already. Wow doesn’t seem that long.

We have had a gay man as President and his name is Barack Obama... Every one knows that.

Let's just calm down. We already had it with Obama.

Just watch they will end up making George Washington a black man if this is not stopped,

Barbara Broccoli will do whatever it takes to make the next Bond a box office success worldwide - the Asian and Chinese markets will not accept an openly gay Bond - sorry Jonathan. This decision will be, as always, driven by profits.

R49 “literally”

Oh, dear

Keep shakin' that fist, grandpa!

Why? Bond is and was a man. Like having a black Anne Boleyn. Woke nonsense. No wonder Trump got elected. More in your fucking line to champion housing for people sleeping over subway grates.

Hard to find a woman who looks like Hoagy Carmichael.

Indiana Jones producers handing off the " franchise" to Phoebe Waller-Bridge is the death knoll for them. Barbara doesn't want the same for Bond.

R63 is one of several voices on this thread who seem to be assuming there is a chance Bond will be a gay character. Have I missed something? The thread heading says "gay or nonwhite ACTOR", and as far as I know Broccoli has not said anything about making the character gay.

Jonathon Bailey has already played a number of straight characters that were designed to appeal to women (and emphatically DID). Why should his Bond be any different?

For years people on these threads have been whingeing that gay actors can't get leading man roles because women would repudiate them, and now that's been shown to be untrue DL itself seems to be saying that a gay actor=a gay character.

The obsessive thirst for gay representation by some of the posters here can lead to some bizarre, delusional thinking. It's fucking status.

[quote] It's fucking status.

I have status on Delta!

R78 Bond as an aggressive top who’s insecure because he’ll never be as effortlessly masc as a straight but all these subversive concepts make for arthouse anti-Bond deconstructions. It’ll never work as a romping camp mainstream Bond flick. People love a boozing womanizing killer. Men want to be it and women want to be fucked by it. It’s that simple.

R81 I meant to type “would be fun” after the gay Bond concept but my raggedy day drinking ass forgot! Call the grammar police Betty Jo, I’m guilty!

If you want to watch gay spies watch The Cambridge Spies or Tinker Tailor ….

And if you tastes run more toward gay triggerman than spy then The Black Doves is for you.

R7, R8, R10 several years ago, Melissa McCarthy starred as a spy in a spy movie called SPY that debuted at #1 and was a box-office hit.

And the character that Ben Whishaw played in BLACK DOVES was great r84. Sentimental, deadly, dry wit and enjoyed being fucked in the ass.

An original creation.

Bond has been straight white man for over 5 decades. If any creator wants to deviate from that, make a new original character instead of being a lazy whore, because audiences won’t accept anything different than the original Bond archetype.

Most of the original audience who couldn't handle a non-white colonialist Bond is dead, and most who care about race are too old to make a dent in the box office. A black Bond will be fine. The global box office won't handle a gay one, though.

[quote] non-white colonialist Bond

Snort

Step outside your blue liberal metro bubble r87

Step out of people over 40 in the United States and United Kingdom, r88.

P.S. Wakanda Forever.

Letitia “Princess Shuri” Write at the new 007!

Fighting the British colonizers from within.

R84 no sex but they formed one of the cutest couples in tv land. And season 2 in the works.

If hubby ends at #10 I see a great cross over series with the Diplomat,