BREAKING: Car drives into crowd at a Christmas market in Germany.

Horrific video

Is it a terrorist from a Muslim background?

Any religion that encourages that shit is a shitty one.

Just absolutely the shittiest.

They have arrested the driver and are searching the area for bombs.

The suspected attack came a day after the eight anniversary of an attack on a Christmas market in Berlin. On Dec. 19, 2016, an Islamic extremist attacker plowed through a crowd of Christmas market-goers with a truck, leaving 13 people dead and injuring dozens more. The attacker was killed days later in a shootout in Italy.

German Interior Minister Nancy Faeser had said late last month that there were no concrete indications of a danger to Christmas markets this year, but that it was wise to be vigilant.

Killer was from Saudi Arabia. Well, that’s a shock.

Revolting. WTF.

He was going fast.

Shit that’s horrific video.

It came a day after thousands matched through Essen chanting Allahu Akhbar.

The video may have been sped up R9.

Islam is the pitbull of religions.

Oh, a bomb too R4? Fuck that garbage shitbag driving the car.

This bullshit has got to stop. How many Islamic leaders have condemned the attack? Find the mosque he attended, arrest the leaders and burn it to the ground. Immediate arrest and expulsion of all undocumented Muslims and any who have committed any crime. Islam and Europe are incompatible.

And send the terrorist to his country where he will be beheaded.

Send em all back

Only the AFD can save Germany! I've been vindicated!

Didn't Germany learn anything after what happened in Berlin? These markets should all be heavily barricaded to prevent vehicles from plowing through.

Hard to stomach that Germany doesn't have these markets behind concrete truck stoppers.

BBC News reports that the driver is a 50-year-old Saudi who has been in Germany since 2006 working as a doctor. Reports now of at least 11 dead.

[quote] concrete truck stoppers

Let's use the word bollards.

Religion of peace?

R16, they’ll throw him a party. Are you stupid? They support this shit.

[quote]This bullshit has got to stop. How many Islamic leaders have condemned the attack? Find the mosque he attended, arrest the leaders and burn it to the ground. Immediate arrest and expulsion of all undocumented Muslims and any who have committed any crime. Islam and Europe are incompatible.

Germany of 1939-1945 is what you're looking for and it doesn't exist.

Somewhere Douglas Murray is shaking his head.

This happens every year.

BBC News now says death toll adjusted to 2 dead. An adult and a child.

R25 no. MBS doesn't like extremist islamists. He'll kill him quickly

How utterly awful. A psychopath.

I don't understand the gays who want muslim cock after hearing such news???

You import the third world, you get the third world.

The blame lies with the Euroglobalists who are opening the borders and turning Christian Europe into an Islamic continent

Probably no Christmas Market cruise for my mom and I next year. I was looking forward to taking her but she just told me she wants to back out of it.

[quote]I don't understand the gays who want muslim cock after hearing such news???

No different than the insatiable lust on DL for the (limp) cock of a cold-blooded murderer. Wait for the mugshot to see if this guy is a "hot" 50 year with a great body and dick pics circulating on the internet before judging whether he's guilty or just a misunderstood stud with a lead foot.

a Saudi doctor who drove through a massive crowd at a German Christmas, killing at least 11 and injuring nearly 70 people, was arrested with an explosive device.

This POS resurfaced to offer up thots and prayers.

He's a fucking doctor!!!! You're supposed to save lives, not kill!!!!

Someone must have wished the doc a Merry Christmas and that set him off.

[quote]Islam is the pitbull of religions.

Pitbulls are the dog of peace.

How did we get from 11 dead to two?

Earlier that day...

Has Jared commented?

They seem to have warned the Germans but they didn't listen. Sad.

They love German money, but not German values?

[quote]How did we get from 11 dead to two?

It’s a Christmas miracle.

Act of God ^

[Quote] He's a fucking doctor!!!! You're supposed to save lives, not kill!!!!

Islamists care more about their cult than even the Hippocratic oath that this so-called doctor was bound to by way of his profession. This is an educated individual who has been trained in science; let that sink in. That's how pervasive and sick this cult is.

[quote]R5 The suspected attack came a day after the eight anniversary of an attack on a Christmas market in Berlin.

When the S.F. [italic]Fickstutenmarkt[/italic] is safer to attend than Magdeburg’s pastoral Christmas Market, we have really reached the LIMIT!

^^ and misformatting!

Can we finally put to bed the empty slogan of Diversity is our Strength?

A guest on CNN reports he’s “a militant atheist”. Based on what, I don’t know.

🏳️‍🌈QUEERS FROM MURDEROUS ISLAMIC DRIVERS!☪️

[Quote] I don't understand the gays who want muslim cock after hearing such news???

Did you stop wanting Christian cock after this vastly deadlier attack?

Allegedly, this is him.

r55 nice whataboutism.

R55 It is absurd trying to find equivalency between the situation in Europe and that incident in LV.

[quote]Is it a terrorist from a Muslim background?

Of course it is.

Will my holiday order from the Magdeburg Christmas Market be delayed? Or have they brought on extra hands so no one’s inconvenienced?

It will arrive on time R60 at no additional expense to you. The decorative tire tracks are on us!

To the last thread where concerned people here feared and wondered why the AfD would get elected: That's why. This is your explanation.

R55 Kindly, fuck off. Two wrongs don't make a right.

It seems they are pretty good at plowing, r32 .

Two dead, one was a small child.

And it seems he was a regular psycho. He was granted asylum for being Islam critical and in Saudi Arabia, apostasy is punishable by death. From a German newspaper (Die Welt):

[quote] The man appears on X as an ex-Muslim critic of Islam. On Friday evening, he posted several videos there in which he says in English: “I hold the German nation responsible for the killing of Socrates.” And: “Another reason why I blame the German citizens for the persecution I experience in Germany is the story of a stolen USB stick from my mailbox.” He later says in the video: “The government are criminals instead of protecting me. The police are the criminals. In this case, I blame the German nation and the German citizens.” The man's profile text reads in English: “Germany hunts Saudi female asylum seekers inside and outside Germany to destroy their lives”. And: “Germany wants to Islamize Europe”. His cover picture shows a rifle.

Also, ironically, he was an AfD fan. Cue the shit show here for the next week at least.

Uh oh, he’s actually an ANTI-Islamist and agrees with the Islamophobes in this thread! He criticized Germany for islamizing Europe.

So now I guess he’s a hero to the islamophobes upthread?

He retweeted this for example

So I guess we’ll be naming a street after him in Tel Aviv and Pittsburgh, and wherever the fuck Anscher lives.

[quote]and wherever the fuck Anscher lives.

In your head?

My god how are our anti Islam trolls going to wrap their heads around an attack by an anti-Islam former Muslim.

This is the worst catastrophe to strike Magdeburg since Tokio Hotel was formed there in 2001.

Sounds as though he was mentally ill - and not a practicing Muslim in any way. Sometimes it pays to wait before passing judgement about the origins of a terrorist act. I feel very bad for the people attending the Christmas market. And, yes, concrete barriers are very easy to position and remove nowadays. They should have become mandatory after the first drive-through-Christmas market event. And frankly, anytime these should be mandatory whenever or wherever these is a pedestrians-in-the-street event, whether in Europe or in the US, including parades. . There was a terrible drive-through massacre in the US. in Waukesha, Wisconsin, (also at Christmas) which people seem to have already forgotten. That man was also mentally ill.

It is said that up to a million or more Syrians will now repatriate to Syria with the fall of the Assad regime. It will be interesting to see which countries in Europe will see an exodus of Syrians.

[quote]It is said that up to a million or more Syrians will now repatriate to Syria with the fall of the Assad regime. It will be interesting to see which countries in Europe will see an exodus of Syrians.

Hopefully all of them.

Thread dead. Interesting.

I always wonder about people who act like victims are more or less dead depending on who killed them.

The guy was still in a cult-like mindset.

r76 Islam has been terrible for Europe.

The car in a crowd is an annual tradition there. Perhaps people should stay home and make babies instead.

He retweeted this yesterday.

So he thought "German people dumb = they vote for islamization = kill them"?

^^^He's so fucked up in the head that he couldn't find an ideology to follow.

The shit is baked in. WTF cares what his "ideology" is/was -- or what he pretended it to be. The chickens have come home to roost. What a fucking mess.

This is one of those threads that got swarmed by traditional Muslim-haters (MAGAts, ziono-crazies) until it was no longer useful to their disinformation narrative, at which point they fucked off to spread disinformation elsewhere.

r84 Muslims have been catastrophic for Europe. And as r83 said, it's baked in.

You don't have to be MAGA to be opposed to Islamization in the West. You just have to be a thinking person who vaules Western ideals over that cult.

[quote] Probably no Christmas Market cruise for my mom and I next year. I was looking forward to taking her

I took my mom on Christmas Market cruise and it was magical. The Nuremberg market and choirs in small Austrian villages were very special.

“Taleb A. said in the interview that he was not a right-winger and described himself as a leftist.”

r88 his mind was still poisoned. You can't win with those people, they'll always be fanatics. It's in their DNA.

I have r85 💩 and r86 💩 on ignore. You should too!

Okay r90 just put your head in the sand and continue with your virtue-signaling.

[quote]This is one of those threads that got swarmed by traditional Muslim-haters (MAGAts, ziono-crazies) until it was no longer useful to their disinformation narrative, at which point they fucked off to spread disinformation elsewhere.

Shh! Don't let them know that. Threads like this are excellent bait for attracting and blocking trolls who out themselves by using MAGA terms and the absolutely batshit hate-filled posters who are just as irrational as the people they despise.

r92 you're so right. Islam is such a positive thing for Western civilization. Let's import more Muslims to culturally enrich all of us. They are so tolerant of women, gays, and independent thinking. Not to mention artistic expression. And democratic values! Oh, they love those so much.

Remember that time a Jewish guy assassinated a Nazi diplomat and the Nazis used it as a justification of their campaign of extermination?

Thats exactly what the Ziono-nuts and MAGAts do every time Muslim does anything wrong. SEE??? SEE??? EVIL EVIL DESTROY DESTROY!

By the way, fellow liberals, that’s the same thing Fox News does every day to us, people of color, and immigrants. Agitprop is agitprop.

[quote] by using MAGA terms and the absolutely batshit hate-filled posters who are just as irrational as the people they despise.

First of all, opposition to Islam goes beyond political parties. PS the whole Western world is not beholden to American politics. Thinking people who value Western society and principles are opposed to Islam. And there are very good points made as to why Islam is anathema to the West and will cause even more problems if it is not contained.

Just because these people are brown doesn't mean they're not above criticism for their insane cult of a religion.

[quote]By the way, fellow liberals, that’s the same thing Fox News does every day to us, people of color, and immigrants. Agitprop is agitprop.

It's. Not. The. Same. Thing. as being a person of color or a homosexual.

It’s crazy (but maybe not that surprising) that Saudi Arabia tried to extradite him, and Germany said no.

The Saudis hate us but the US placates them because of oil. That sucks.

The need to build better islamic diversity barriers.

He did this in Eastern Germany for a reason. Former Eastern regions are big AfD/Nazi strongholds.

Wonder how the AfD is spinning this now.

Or Elmo.

A mass killer from Saudi Arabia. Color me shocked.

i saw the video and thank God that it was fuzzy and from a distance. the images of bodies being mowed down were horrific.

what the fuck is wrong with a person to do such a thing?

[quote]what the fuck is wrong with a person to do such a thing?

Islam

R102, he was a right-winger. Color me not shocked

Immigration from any country should be properly regulated, monitored and limited in annual numbers. Especially if it is from countries with significant cultural differences. Immigrants require time to acclimate and assimilate into their new environment. It takes many years, sometimes even a generation. Allowing a mass numbers to immigrate in a short span of time makes them congregate in a cluster and remain tribal, without feeling the need to learn the language, customs, and way of life of their new adopted country. They end up with an us vs them mentality. Most immigrate either to avoid the dangers or the limited future of their homeland, and they should feel it to be a privilege to be in their new country. When they start behaving aggrieved and violent for perceived slighted treatment, you know something is wrong.

R93, your fellow white conservatives are intolerant towards women and gays. And they hate independent thinking

R86, thinking people don't repeat MAGA talking points

CNN Five dead: At least five people died in the attack, including a 9-year-old child, Magdeburg city official Ronni Krug said in a media address on Saturday. Chancellor Olaf Scholz confirmed over 200 injured, including around 40 with such severe injuries that they remain “very worried” about them. Scholz described the figure as “unbelievable.”

the video looked like dominoes falling down when the car drove through them.

truly horrific.

[quote]R92 you're so right. Islam is such a positive thing for Western civilization. Let's import more Muslims to culturally enrich all of us. They are so tolerant of women, gays, and independent thinking. Not to mention artistic expression. And democratic values! Oh, they love those so much

This was my comment: Shh! Don't let them know that. Threads like this are excellent bait for attracting and blocking trolls who out themselves by using MAGA terms and the absolutely batshit hate-filled posters who are just as irrational as the people they despise.

R93 Please tell me where the hell did I say anything about Islam being a positive thing for Western civilization or anything remotely similar to that? I didn't, but thanks for proving my point that arguing with irrational posters is pointless. You have your views, I have mine and neither of us are changing them. Don't misrepresent what I said. Agree to disagree and move on.

[quote]First of all, opposition to Islam goes beyond political parties. PS the whole Western world is not beholden to American politics. Thinking people who value Western society and principles are opposed to Islam. And there are very good points made as to why Islam is anathema to the West and will cause even more problems if it is not contained. Just because these people are brown doesn't mean they're not above criticism for their insane cult of a religion.

R95 You really didn't have to quote my post and explain your views to me. If the ending of my post stating "absolutely batshit hate-filled posters who are just as irrational as the people they despise," was a trigger for you to quote and vociferously defend yourself as if I called you out by name, that's a personal issue only you can deal with. I mentioned nothing about Islam, the West, Brown people or cults. You have your views, I have mine and neither of us are changing them. Don't misrepresent what I said. Agree to disagree and move on.

r107/r108 straw man arguments. There's a whole big world out there where "MAGA" means nothing and people don't give a shit who the American president is. This is a clash of civilizations and thinking people in the West are aware of it and what's at stake. Islam is incompatible with Western society and culture. It has all been taken too far by polititians with an agenda that the people do not want, except for isolated virtue signalers who live in their little bubbles.

r111 your posts were implicit that people who are opposed to Islamic immigration and tolerance for their insanity in Western countries are MAGA and racists, which is a false and extremely simplistic view of the crisis the West is facing in the 21st Century.

[quote]your fellow white conservatives are intolerant towards women and gays. And they hate independent thinking

And liberals do what liberals are supposed to do and call these assholes out on their backwards bigoted thinking. Strangely, they're completely silent when Muslims do it.

I've said repeatedly that if Muslims were lily-white Anglo Saxons, Western liberals would be all over them like flies on shit, calling them out for the intolerant bigots they are, as they always do with Christian fundamentalists, and rightfully so. But they don't because Islam is a religion largely practiced by non-whites and they're terrified of being perceived as racist and culturally insensitive. It is so fucked up.

[quote]R93, your fellow white conservatives are intolerant towards women and gays. And they hate independent thinking

And those are the very people who have been emboldened in this recent election and pose the greatest threat to the rights of women, gays or any minority group in the United States. Put that zealotry and passion into fighting against the homegrown extremists who yearn for the 1950s with back-alley abortions and gays going back in the closet. There is no scenario in our lifetimes that results in the U.S. becoming an Islamic state, none. Remember when Oklahoma voted to ban Sharia Law as if there was really a chance of ever happening. Who sponsored the bill and pushed it through? Muslims? No. Democrats? No. Bigoted Republicans? Of course.

It applies to Germany as well with the looming threat of far-right parties gaining ground in upcoming elections. Hopefully the voters in Germany will see the chaos in the U.S. and Elon Musk's attempts to interfere in support of the AfD and reject it.

Believe what you want, R113. This isn't a debate and I'm not going back and forth. It is pointless. Have a good evening.

So much for that wonderful dream….

[quote]your fellow white conservatives are intolerant towards women and gays. And they hate independent thinking

R107, that's right. So would you want to import millions more of them? Don't we have sufficient?

This terrorist attack makes sense to me. Many people wonder why a pro-feminist values man whould attack this market. Let me explain: I used to live in Germany. You always make fun of them being nazis but the current Germans have no national pride whatsoever. This Arab probably had more pride in Western values than every German combined. Combine that with the inbreeding in Arab nations and you get this as a result. He hated Germans so much for their betrayal of their own culture that he just drove a car into a Christmas Market like other Arabs usually do it 4 Muhammad. So the common denominator seems to be inbreeding in muslim countries, rather than radical islam when it comes to such terror attacks? So sad that people died for it but I think in a 100 years, when Germany has become Shariany, many would have been killed too for not joining Islam. Was this a necessary evil? What is your opinion?

I just can't understand why Europe is turning to the right and why Hungary has refused to do their fair share with absorbing "refugees" from the Middle East.

Don’t let fact get in the way here - the culprit is a well-known anti-Islam activist. He’s a 50 year old Saudi exile resident in Germany since 2006. His rage at this point is understood to arise from his dissatisfaction with the treatment of Saudi refugees in Germany.

He fled Saudi because he rejected Islam. He has devoted a lot of his time to assisting those in the Middle East who had renounced Islam find asylum in the West. He also curiously claims that Berlin was responsible for the death of Socrates, the ancient Greek philosopher.

As ever don’t let facts stand in the way of your knee-jerk reactions.

[quote] why Hungary has refused to do their fair share with absorbing "refugees" from the Middle East.

Muslims ruled Hungary for 150 years. They destroyed the country. Hungarians know what's up with Muslims and refuse to accomodate them.

R122 "Hungarians know what's up with Muslims and refuse to accomodate them."

They also can see the statistics that show MUCH higher violent crime rates (like rape) in Germany and Sweden. Coincidence...I doubt it.

I'm glad it's harder to walk from the Middle East to North America. I'll take the migrants from Central and South America any day over them. MAGA people and other Americans should be counting their blessings.

Greeks also don't accomodate Muslims because they also know what's up, due to their long and bloody history with them.

What I find interesting is how many muslims have no clue that their country was over-run and basically destroyed during the islamic conquest. Iranians seem to be the only exception to this. Try to raise this topic with muslims and they go apeshit.

In Ireland and in co mayo a surprisingly high Muslim population in the armpit of nowhere. True to gorm, lines of clothes hanging all over the place and piles of garbage. Installation, it's God's will. Dirty fuckers

R126, Ireland is going the way of Sweden. They are a bunch of fools.

I'm very hesitant to believe anything German newspapers claim about this. If I was a regular Islamic terror attack, German newspapers would never say so.

Hilarious to watch you racists squirm with this one.

Nothing wrong with a little extreme shopping.

r129 fuck right off. It's not racism, it's quality of life and safety issues.

All r129 does is shitpost all over DL. What a miserable loser.

My goodness, you had quite the reaction, didn't you? You bitches aren't used to being called out, shitposting or not. Don't expect comfort, snowflake.

r133 lots of salient points being made here. But just go ahead with the usual "you're all racists" shit. It's lost its meaning, is irrelevant and nobody could give a shit anymore.

I made a very wide observation. You're the one who chose to shit your reaction all over this thread. If it doesn't apply to you, you should have been able to move on, guilt-free. I do it all the time, like with that 'miserable loser' mislabeling.

Sorry r135 you're just a miserable loser who does nothing but shitpost in every thread you infest. And please, you don't move on. Anyway back to the topic.

You've made moving on from this very easy, darling. Have the day you deserve.

My day is going very well indeed, thanks. Bye, bitch!

R119 I think you stole this from this viral video?

The inbreeding is a huge problem, lots of kids with disabilities. British social services have been burdened with this, esp. with the Pakistani kids. Cousin marriages, uncle/niece marriages, it's fucking sick.

[quote]My day is going very well indeed, thanks.

Glad you find fits of defensive, frothy anger enjoyable. Personally, I'm enjoying all the W&W's I'm getting from your calling attention to my "shitposting" history. Such fun!

R69 he's right. But also killing Germans is not a good way to avoid women being stoned to death. Everyone who thinks "Killing this bunch of civilians will surely further my cause" is a psycho or plain insane. Some ideologies routinely provide excuses for this kind of behaviour. The tragic thing is that this man was reported to authorities and they did nothing, as recently as a year ago, when he didn't even conceal he was mad or dangerous.

They didn't want to appear racist, r142. Like the cops in Rotherdam, England who received information for YEARS about a child sex ring going on but since the sick fucks doing it were Pakistanis they did nothing to stop it.

There are several reasons why relying on anonymous commentary from message boards regarding racial and immigration issues might not be a good idea:

Lack of Accountability: Anonymity allows individuals to express views without facing social or professional consequences. This can lead to the spread of misinformation, hate speech, and harmful stereotypes without any accountability.

Potential for Malicious Intent: Extremist groups and individuals often use anonymity to promote divisive ideologies and spread propaganda. Message boards can become echo chambers where these views are amplified, and unsuspecting users might be exposed to radicalizing content.

Bias and Misrepresentation: Anonymous posters might not represent the broader public opinion on these complex issues. Their views could be skewed by personal biases or experiences, leading to a distorted and inaccurate picture of reality.

Difficulty in Verification: Information shared on message boards, especially by anonymous users, is often difficult to verify. This can lead to the spread of rumors, conspiracy theories, and unsubstantiated claims, further fueling prejudice and misunderstanding.

Instead, consider seeking information from reputable sources such as:

Academic research and journals: Peer-reviewed studies offer in-depth analysis and evidence-based insights into racial and immigration issues. Government reports and statistics: Official data provides a factual basis for understanding demographic trends and the impact of immigration policies.

Non-profit organizations and advocacy groups: Organizations working directly with immigrant communities or focusing on racial justice often publish reports and educational materials based on their expertise and fieldwork.

Reputable news outlets and journalism: Seek out balanced and fact-checked reporting from established news sources that adhere to journalistic ethics and standards.

“Reputable news outlets and journalism“ have discredited themselves with selective reporting that reeks of bias. Since decades, left leaning journalists have hired left-leaving journalists in most of the outlets. In Germany, public broadcasting is financed by a hefty fee that everybody who owns a computer had to pay regardless whether they watch the public channels or not.

^left-leaning

Good thing there's all those other, more boring sources like peer-reviewed studies, then.

As well as government investigations, but given we never got effective ones on things like the Brexit campaign and January 6's was toothless, I'd say those are more right-leaning.

[quote]Somewhere Douglas Murray is shaking his head.

And still shouting that Iraq had WMDs, Brexit was a great idea, and America should bring democracy to the world via invasion.

It's like in England where politicians work overtime trying to normalize Islam in western countries. The money they make in Arab money must be phenomenal. Look at King Charles accepting bags of cash from Arab billionaires for his 'charities.' And now they are offering Prince Andrew a palace somewhere. in the Middle East. He'll never want for a millionaire's life.

The idolization of the Monarchy is beyond comprehension considering how corrupt it is and how it works against British citizens to maintain their billionaire's life.

R150 here. Forgot to post my photo.

So was this guy a psycho Muslim or not?

A psycho but an ex-Muslim.

Seems the those evil muslim Saudis were kind enough to warn the Germans.

And as usual, nothing will be done.

The thing to be done is to erect concrete barriers around the markets. It's already been mentioned. Otherwise, what's to be done about a single mentally-ill person doing a single act that tragically killed several and injured hundreds?

It's a shame that the government in Germany doesn't give a damn about their people

Ex-Muslim my ass. Taqqiya.

It’s “MAGA” to oppose throwing gays off a roof or “honor killings?” Oh-KAY.

R142 This, and basic ineptitude.

R156, it is already a given that this done now whenever there are large gatherings of infidels in western countries that have a muslim population. According to reports, this muslim rammed through an area that was left vulnerable in order to allow emergency vehicles in if necessary. We now have to think the unthinkable as an every day possibility.

It's MAGA to pitch the same braindead boilerplate insult about 1.5 billion Muslims.

Nearly a Tourette's response at this point.

r162 honey look at Western Europe.

There are about 20,000,000 Muslims in the EU right now. Maybe about 25,000,000 in Western Europe if you include Britain in the total. What we are reading above is that every single one of those 25,000,000 is bent on the destruction of Europe, every single one rapes Christian women, every single one knives people randomly, every single one wants to impose Sharia law on the nations in which they reside, and, given their druthers, every single one would toss every gay person off roofs throughout the continent. There is not one peaceful, law-abiding Muslim in Europe, and not one who is just there to earn a living in safe nations.

Just so we're clear about what is being said above........

Not every single one, obviously, but many of them. And the others never speak out against it in any meaningful way. This is a critical situation and it's only going to get worse. And r164 your head is in the sand and people like you are definitely part of the problem. There can be no peace with Islam.

What a smug and idiotic retort r164.

A supposed hallmark of western culture (especially from the enlightenment onward) is treating people as individuals rather than as representatives of a group or tribe. Not quite seeing how condemning the many for the actions of the one fulfills that distinctive cultural norm.....

Quite a few posters above have said that no muslim representative ever condemns terroristic or criminal acts in Europe or other non-Muslim parts of the world. (No evidence of that is given however). So I'm providing evidence below.

r167 nice platitudes but that doesn't apply in this situation. Sorry. Sometimes you have to fight.

Nice cherrypicking r168 but it's not on a broad scale. There hasn't been any real organized condemnation in large numbers. Mostly silence. I don't think you understand the true gravity of the situation, and if things continue it's only going to get much worse.

So therefore you oust all the Jews from your nations? You oust all the Roma from your nations? You oust all the Chinese or east Asians from your nations? (That, of course, was the NORM in Europe until about the 17th century). Please show me how ousting every single Muslim from Europe demonstrates cultural, intellectual, philosophical, or religious superiority.

By the way, r170 casually overlooks 75 LINKS of Muslim condemnation by groups. If that's cherry-picking, I have a truckload. There is no central Muslim authority, such as the Pope for Catholics. Therefore, each mosque is more or less its own moral universe. How could there by a wide-spread response that people like r170 would accept, since there is no one to order it? I'm not quite understanding what exactly would constitute an acceptable response for him or others here?

Nice whataboutism r171. It's not about superiority, it's about quality of life and preserving it.

r172 that doesn't change the fact that these attacks will continue to happen, and the refusal to assimilate will continue. These people are only in the West for the benefits, they are openly hostile to Western culture and ideals. The big mistake that people like you make is applying civilzed and rational arguments as a way to find a solution. It doesn't work with Islam. It never has. This whole situation is just beyond your comprehension.

You believe in peaceful tolerance. We get it. You believe that they will integrate. We get it. You believe that they'll stop hating the West, and become fully Westernized themselves and stop causing problems and stop forcing people to conform to their beliefs. We get it.

IT. DOESN'T. WORK.

New rules for DL 2025: No posts over 25 words. Nobody wants to read all that shit!

r174 - except for the millions for whom it does work. There are very long lists of Muslim singers, actors, physicians, scientists, businessmen, newscasters, journalists all working in the West, seemingly very well adjusted to western values and societal norms.

I would agree that the more recent arrivals from the past 10-15 years are not well-integrated yet. And for those who don't acquire language skills easily and can't find any sort of work except for the most menial, that creates a festering societal problem.

[quote] except for the millions for whom it does work. There are very long lists of Muslim singers, actors, physicians, scientists, businessmen, newscasters, journalists all working in the West, seemingly very well adjusted to western values and societal norms.

The issue is not about them.

[quote]I would agree that the more recent arrivals from the past 10-15 years are not well-integrated yet.

Maybe, just maybe, there are people who don't want to be integrated. People who reject you and your values and who reject our cultural norms. And maybe there are lots of them.

What I'm reading is "maybe, maybe, maybe". Maybe the questions need to be reframed. If I'm starving, a large barrel with a few bad apples needs to be carefully sorted through to retain every good apple. . But if I'm well-fed, I can afford to toss out the whole barrel without even checking. If there is checking, what will be the methods for doing the checking. Professional credentials, language fluency, knowledge of the culture of the country, some targeted questions to find out if there are trigger topics that might be signs of future terrorism?

Maybe I might want to retain the guy who invents a cure for cancer, or learns to control fusion energy, or the physician who is an expert at a certain rare surgery? Maybe I want the scholar, or the poet? How do I decide what might be of value to my nation in the future?