Support for Vaccinations reach a modern era low

Enjoy polio.

Sometimes I'm glad I'm old.

fucking nuts. hate them more than any other

Some people only support a concept if it effects them directly. So stop mandating polio and other vaccines that primarily harm children. Perhaps after these idiots have their children become seriously ill, paralyzed, or die, then they can have their Come To Jesus revelation that science and common sense if the result of progressive humans, not regressive animals.

I’m truly at the point where I’m hoping these fools’ kids start dropping dead from preventable disease en masse.

Don’t care if it makes me a horrible person. It’s my new year’s wish.

The first time some idiots and their diseased offspring kill a child too-young for vax, and are wiped out in retaliation, will be something to see.

How many children and young adults from the 1920- 1950s who were crippled for life or died would have appreciated the opportunity to have gotten a preventative vaccine before they became afflicted? The polio vaccine especially was considered a modern day miracle.

I’m R5. Nothing makes me more furious than this topic. My little brother died of infantile meningitis in 1972, when it was the leading killer of kids under 5. In 1980, a vaccine was introduced that virtually wiped out the condition. My brother would have lived if he’d been born a decade later.

So, great! No vaccines for MAGA kids.

R8, I was reading about how America reacted when a vaccine for one disease was revealed. I forget which disease it was for, but that America sounded so drastically different from today. The people were CRYING and celebrating that a vaccine was discovered.

R9 That is because people weren't radicalized with right wing media and conspiracy theories.

If r8 actually understood science that isn't dictated by non-doctors like Gates, Biden, Trump (and other people who only care about making money off you suffering), he would not be a victim of circumstance.

R6 sounds like the booster bitch crowd. The ones screaming at the unjabbed to die only to have a good dose of karma later.

I meant r5.

R5 might be right. It's just HIM and his kids who will be going through all that.

I'm old and we used to get our shots at school and not one parent opposed it.

Keep in mind that all of Trump's kids and Robert Kennedy's kids are vaccinated.

They don't fuck around with vaccinations, but they don't mind if others put themselves at risk.

Not only will children die, the cost to society to take care of the survivors will be huge. How much do you all think iron lungs cost? or all of the physical therapy and equipment that will be needed over the lifetime of the polio survivors?

I really don't feel like paying for any of it, since it was preventable to begin with.

People are willfully ignorant. Vaccination has a long history and the numbers have been crunched. They make things better. Nothing is perfect, and there is always a possibility of an allergic reaction, or a failure to provide sufficient immunity. The days when we used vaccines with live virus, thimerosal, etc. are long gone. The amount of formaldehyde that remains in vaccines these days is negligible (formaldehyde is actually necessary for the synthesis of DNA inside the body, and all humans, vaccinated or not, will have detectable levels of the chemical). The one and ONLY study that linked autism to childhood vaccination was withdrawn because it was so flawed, and its creators disavowed it decades ago. Today's vaccination deniers rely on personal anecdotes rather than scientific data. They continue to quote the same outdated and debunked sources whenever they need to justify their beliefs. They tend to buy into multiple conspiracy theories.

I'm with R2. I'm so glad I'm old enough to have been vaccinated for things like polio, smallpox, etc. It is quite possible the incoming regime will succeed in banning some vaccines completely, and the horrors of those "conquered" diseases will be visited upon us with an impact that will last for generations. If I were younger, I'd invest in iron lung stocks...

Then DON'T. Be a Republican r17.

They are too apathetic to anything except complaining. Even maths is "racist" to this crowd. r11

I won't have a choice, r19, because the cost will be embedded in my taxes. Watch for healthcare cost to further spiral, due to all of the handicapped people who survive these previously eradicated childhood diseases.

Drown them at birth!

I'm fine with dead MAGA kids. This is what idiot parents have caused in America

r21 address COVID or go away.

This generation of parents needs to experience burying their infants and young children, I guess. Not my problem, and no, I will not be donating to any gofundmes.

The problem is, R23, it's not just magas - it's a lot of hippie/organic types too.

No one remembers these diseases so they think they don't exist

Well then let them find out, R26.

Meh, I support people and their children getting vaccinated, and having access to vaccines, especially for diseases from the past that used to be prevalent. What I don't support, however, is government-mandated vaccinations for everyone. If an adult chooses to be foolish about established vaxes for their child, well, they're gambling for sure, but they should be allowed to make that choice without government interference or penalties. I also don't like the idea that Kennedy the loon wants to essentially remove availability of vaccines. Keep the option available for those that want it. Jesus, the fucking government always oversteps whether it's MAGA-run or Dem-run. It's a fucking Uni-Party except the Dems are more performative about support for certain social issues.

Boomers are the worst. They pushed this nonsense.

R38 is too damn stupid to live. Herd immunity is a thing, you fucking retard.

[quote] I'm fine with dead MAGA kids.

Left-wing hippy shits support this more than MAGAts do. MAGAts are the new hippies.

Crystals will protect children.

Boomers are at fault for a lot of things, R29, but they got their kids vaccinated. This is all on millennial parents.

Your COVID "vax" is destroying your immunity. RFK wants your unborn vulnerable.

Steroid Bob is one of them. He is a liar.

Fine by me. All the right people will die.

R30 - oh sugar lumps, you're retarded if you think herd immunity is in any significant way a preventative action. It's basically a crap shoot.

[quote] What I don't support, however, is government-mandated vaccinations for everyone.

That's the only way vaccines work.

A vaccine alone will have, maybe, 60% effectiveness. If everyone around you has that vaccine, it raises the immunity around 90% (Herd immunity).

If you want to live in a civilized, health society, everyone needs to do what's healthiest for the whole society

They asked about how important people think vaccines are. People place less importance on them now because the people with vaccination-age kids don’t remember polio or meningitis. They aren’t important to them BECAUSE they worked.

It doesn’t mean 32% oppose vaccines, although I don’t doubt that resistance has increased. But this is misinformation.

Good. We need fewer idiots dragging their knuckles around the earth.

I can’t believe insurance companies will go for this. If your children are unvaccinated won’t that just led to higher premiums.

Have fun dying like a medieval peasant!

I hope they all die, stupid retarded parents, let the deaths begin, and make them suffer like hell.

And you know what's going to happen: when measles, polio, etc, start sweeping through those communities and hospitals get overwhelmed, these same people be in hysterics complaining about the inability of the healthcare system to help their children.

R42, of course they'll blame the democrats

[bold]Louisiana forbids public health workers from promoting COVID, flu and mpox shots[/bold]

A group of high-level managers at the Louisiana Department of Health walked into a Nov. 14 meeting in Baton Rouge expecting to talk about outreach and community events.

Instead, they were told by an assistant secretary in the department and another official that department leadership had a new policy: Advertising or otherwise promoting the COVID, influenza or mpox vaccines, an established practice there — and at most other public health entities in the U.S. — must stop.

more at link

Oh, well. Darwinism in action. Sorry/not Sorry.

Sadly, it's the innocent children who will suffer from their parents' stupidity.

Back during the height of Covid, I had elementary students ask me privately if there was somewhere they could go to get vaccinated without their parents' knowledge. They knew how important it was, and it wasn't their fault they had stupid parents...

when their unvaxed children die, we must point and laugh at the parents, make their grief unbearable and public. fill them with shame. that way they'll never forget what they've done to their own child.

If dumb parents are going to be allowed to not have to vaccinate their kids, fine, but schools, airlines and businesses don't have to allow them quarter as a result. Freedom of choice you know!

Many public schools of the past used to require proof of MMR vax in order for a student to matriculate. Bring that stance back - no vax, no schooling. Let the dumb parents home school their unvaxed darlings.

[quote][R21] address COVID or go away.

Why would anyone need to address it? Apples and oranges. COVID either kills its victims outright, or they live and recover to a great extent, with a few rare exceptions of those with severe Long Covid - which btw hasn't been fully defined yet by the CDC or other health bodies.

Polio regularly leaves its survivors handicapped, in iron lungs or wheelchairs for life, needing daily care or expensive assistance in being mobile. A very costly outcome, for everyone in society.

r49=Musk

If close to 100% of children are vaccinated, the virus has no host in which to infect , replicate and then mutate. The overwhelming majority of childhood diseases are were all but eradicated. Now we have a growing number of anti-science anti-vaxxers who do not want their children immunized. They have the option of being home schooled or find a private school that may not enforce the vaccine mandate. That is how this works. But do not impose your wacky and dangerous bullshit on the general population of public school children.

And when there are just as many unvaccinated kids with autism as there were vaccinated kids with it, Trump and RFK Jr. will then be against treatment for autism. They will just claim autism was eradicated.

R44, that’s insane!

I think they went too far with the mandates when they ignored people with infection acquired immunity as being protected and actually had the nerve to write it off as a [italic]conspiracy theory.[/italic] That was beyond absurd.

It was always established science that a prior infection of a virus is akin to receiving a vaccine from nature. Ignoring infection-acquired immunity, taking a one-size-fits-all approach, and mandating double vaxxing kids under 12 instead of putting most of the focus into the most vulnerable groups made no medical sense. I'm standing 10 toes down on that.

The COVID vaccine campaign wasn't handled well, at all. People haven't lost trust in Public Health leadership since 2020 because "they're stupid," they lost trust due to lack of transparency, consistency, and, to an extent, common sense. That's on the leadership.

This right here is inexcusable:

R44, that link makes me so happy that I don't live in a red state. But also sad for any sane people, especially ones with families, that live in one.

Enjoy polio, measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis.

I'm sure they'll start GoFundMe campaigns when their kids begin dying or worse, having to live with the after effects of polio.

What's really shitty is that the kids who will die from this aren't responsible for the stupidity of their parents. It's their parents who should be suffering and getting sick, not them. But, of course, their parents likely DO have their shots because THEIR parents gave a shit.

I really hate the anti-vax, anti-medicine folks. I don't care whether it's the older hippie types or the more recent QAnon converts to the movement. They're just idiots making the world a worse place.

That's why I mentioned upthread that I will not be donating to any gofundmes, R56.

If doctors and scientists recommend a vaccination, I say jab me. Since I first started getting the flu shot many years ago, I haven't had it once. Prior to that I'd get sick every winter.

I say, gentleman, hadn't we better kick over the whole show and scatter rationalism to the winds, simply to send these logarithms to the devil, and to enable us to live once more at our own sweet foolish will!

Suburban white women are incredibly anti-vax because being a housewife made them smarter than scientists and we're all afraid to challenge them.

R61= NotSoSunny the Racist Wannabe BLONDE

R32 the antivax movement started with Gen X, cunt.

This is why there have to be legal vaccination requirements.

Let them die

R5 I am sure I remember you or at least the exact same comments from people like you in 1982

I’m not going to watch a video, but I agree with your post, R54. Once trust is lost it’s hard to regain and the medical community lost a lot of peoples’ trust when they did things like claim masks were 100% useless in preventing transmission when COVID first emerged and claiming that ivermectin was a dangerous cow-only medication and suggesting that people were getting sick and dying from using it. Those were both flat out lies. You can argue about how effective masks are, but they clearly have some ability to reduce the transmission of airborne illness. And nobody died from taking Ivermectin, which is not strictly an animal medication. Those and other missteps are hard to come back from.

So I can understand why people might hesitate to get vaccinations for things like flu, COVID, HPV, etc. if they aren’t high risk. Or why they might want to follow a less aggressive vaccine schedule for a young infant not in daycare (I’m saying I understand why they might want to, I’m not convinced it’s OK to actually do so). That’s not the same as skipping vaccines for polio or rubella.

Over a decade ago I remember running into a woman I know who was furious at her daughter’s pediatrician because the doctor had tried to push a vaccine for HPV on the child (and I think it might have been when they asked her to step out of the room?). The girl was 11 or 12 and definitely not running around with boys, it wasn’t a case of delusional mom syndrome. The medical community operates on the principle of getting it done while you have them in the office because you don’t know for sure when they will be back. Life happens and sometimes a four year-old misses a check up but people bring the < 1 year infants in. This absolutely makes sense when it’s an issue of eradicating polio and protecting public health. But administering a new vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease to a pre-pubescent child in a healthy environment is not the same thing. Yes, the kid should get the vaccine eventually but the both the newness and the implied expectation of sexual activity were extenuating circumstances. It was really interesting because I suspect this woman never previously questioned anything a doctor told her, but you could see the wheels turning in her head as she related the incident.

Oh well, at least the abortion ban won't matter. Just let 'em be born and then swiftly die of whooping cough, or polio, or hell, why not bring back tuberculosis?

The rest of us are baffled at how interested Americans are in the welfare of foetuses, compared with their apparent complete indifference to that of existing children.

r67 It really is disappointing and I think the way the COVID pandemic and vaccine roll out was handled by public health and political leaders very sloppily. It was clear that politics and tribalism took precedence over science and reason. I blame them entirely for this outcome.

I have people I know, who were never vaccine hesitant previously (they mostly just went with the flow) talking about delaying or skipping the vaccine series for their kids. We're talking MMRV, dTAP, you know, the ones that are absolutely necessary and proven to have eradicated the diseases they were meant to prevent. One had commented that these vaccines are a "scam," ineffective, and only meant to enrich the Big Pharma. They may be right about the money portion, but only in the sense that pharmaceutical companies are greedy and price hike therapeutics unnecessarily.

But I had to ask them, a millennial, did they have chickenpox as a kid. They said yes, when they were in 1st grade. I told them I did, too. I caught it in kindergarten. Then I asked, "When was the last time you heard about a kid in recent times coming down with the chickenpox?" And they couldn't remember anything before the late 90s. I explained that it's because the varicella vaccine wasn't released in the US until 1995. We were in kindergarten and 1st grade in 1991 and 1992, we only got the MMR series. The vaccine wasn't available yet. I told them my younger brother was born in 1998 and received his MMRV series. He, and none of his fellow Gen Z peers/classmates ever caught chickenpox because the vaccine series for their generation eradicated it.

At the same time, however, when I started high school, I had to submit an immunization record. For varicella specifically, laboratory proof of prior infection was accepted as an alternative to being vaccinated because those who had chickenpox were and are considered immune to chickenpox and that is exactly what it says on my immunization record for varicella; [bold]immune[/bold]. So, natural immunity was acknowledged because that is just science. Ignoring that and calling it a conspiracy theory was completely nonsensical and anti-science. Of course the trust in public health leadership and vaccines has declined. I'm not surprised by this, at all.

^ *was very sloppy

When polio, TB, etc., all come back with a vengeance, republiqans will just deny it. Like the way they will deny autism once it’s obvious that banning vaccines hasn’t gotten rid of that. And the MSM won’t cover all the death and suffering because Trump will sue them if they do.

The vax and condoms are so out of date in the brave new world we have.

Fuck Bird Flu or that newer version or strain of gonorrhea that has recently shown up within the past year or two and was really really hard to treat right from the first day.

And the best part it’s mostly oral GC , and it hits a certain population of men, and it’s usually without obvious symptoms.

Prevention is so 1978.

Daycare centers are little petri dishes of illness. Few of them are fatal. At the moment

[quote] Boomers are at fault for a lot of things, [R29], but they got their kids vaccinated. This is all on millennial parents.

WRONG. The ones pushing the anti-vaxx disinformation is Boomers. They came up with it. They are to blame for this shit.

[quote] The vax and condoms are so out of date in the brave new world we have.

Huh? The two things have nothing to do with one another.

The condom mentioned or rather slipped in haha was probably a STRAIGHT CUNT scolding and scowling at the gay men.

I’m fucking tired of trying to convince people who reject sound science—and quite frankly, reality—when it comes to the safety and efficacy of vaccination.

If parents need to lose a kid or end up dealing with a chronically disabled child because of an infection that was 100% preventable by immunization, then so be it. Ignorance and blind skepticism has consequences.