All my new 'Gen Z' hires want next 2 weeks off from work. WTF?

Hire people over 35. Problem solved.

None of this actually happened.

R2 I only wish, Zoomer. It makes my job more of a headache trying to find coverage for shifts over the next two weeks when your fellow-zoomers 'don't show up'.

OP you took Sep 8th off. What's your issue?

This truly does not sound real. Five out of five of the young female hires ALL said they want TWO FULL weeks off, at the same time?

That would be a coordinated labor strike, not a vacation request.

This is nothing but another "gen wars porn" post.

Assuming this Elaborate Stunning Tale is real: OP and other Boomers: This is the new workforce. They want a balance, work is not their #1 priority. You can hate them or work with them.

R5 No zoomer, they all want the same time off. Usually once one of you hears another is requesting time off, then the others follow suit because they feel entitled to taking the same time off. It's nothing new - we're on to you.

People too attached to their mommies (or daddies) are disturbed individuals.

While I've never worked with anyone like that (yet), I dated a guy who had mommy attachment issues. It was very fucked up and a total boner wilter.

I hope you can salvage a couple of decent employees from that bunch OP or quickly find some new less mentally damaged hires to replace them.

R6 We choose to fire them. And that's what will happen.

R4, the sad thing is that Gen Z is just as incompetent re: computers as the man pictured. It's actually shocking just how bad they are.

R5 again... OP/R7, you're a clown. Calling anyone "zoomer" if they dare to say they smell the BS coming from your story.

I'm old and I've managed more than 100 staff total over the decades since 1998.

R11 Sure Jan.

R6, wanting a work-life balance has nothing to do with their seeming inability to complete basic tasks like showing up on time or showing up at all.

R9 you can do that. And you may continue to do so for a while. But at some point, the older workforce is drying up and you’ll have to make do with Gen Z and Alpha.

R8 Thanks for sharing that. I have to say of all the staff of young hires (under 30), I rarely have a problem with the guys. They all seem to be independent (or giving their best effort), and all seem eager to do their best at work (and learning) and getting along with everyone. All the managers I speak with have said the same thing.

It's the female Zoomers who give us the most headaches. They are the ones who bring the most problems to the office each week (mostly because they can't follow the 'rules' in the employee handbook).

Fire them. Working in a hospital requires working around holidays and requesting time off WELL in advance. And excessive call-offs are cause for termination.

R15, they're used to adults kissing their asses, like some posters on here are doing.

Fire the cunts

Hire men instead

Voila

0/10

Op's really cutting it fine for the This Never Happened of the Year Awards.

Fire them. It's a pity their student job managers and their universities didn't teach them how to toe the line or suffer consequences. Now you and your company must teach them.

Don't fire them if you can't find new hires, of course.

This generation is going to require compromise by us olds but there is a limit and holidays require social workers on the job.

[quote]Why do the male Zoomers understand this and follow the rules, but not the females?

'Cause dudes are dudes and all women are idiotic cunts who need to be taught lessons, with "delightful" names like Breeana.

Or at least this is what the world's like in your deeply misogynistic head, with little semblance of reality.

[quote] This morning, I already received a phone call from Breeana's mommy, letting me know (under no uncertain terms) she has to have the two weeks off because of the family Disney trip.

This really happened!!

R21 It won't be my decision to fire them - I have to follow what HR says.

R16 You're exactly right - they don't understand how a hospital works and it never 'closes'.

It's fun reading all the defensive posts here from their fellow 'zoomers' claiming 'this never happened' ! Keep them coming, Zoomers! Remind us how responsible you are.

R24, I supervise almost 80 people, nearly all Gen Z. This type of entitlement is stereotypical & ridiculous, but definitely fictional outside of right-wing fever dreams about "easily triggered Zoomers because of all of their wokeism."

And before them I supervised dozens of Millennials. No real difference. NEVER a problem with new-hire women in particular being so high-maintenance when the men are not.

Or maybe OP simply has terrible taste in employers. I sure as fuck wouldn't work anywhere that hired the single biggest idiots devoid of basic common sense, if that's what really happened.

[quote]And before them I supervised dozens of Millennials. No real difference. NEVER a problem with new-hire women in particular being so high-maintenance when the men are not.

Now, [bold]this[/bold] I believe!

R25, and I'm sure your experience rings true for everybody else. The rest of us are just inventing headaches and entitlement issues with under-25 workers because.... it's fun?

I worked with Millennials, and they were awful. They were the reason I retired early.

So if your Z employees are giving you shit, consider it payback.

Turnabout is fair play.

Sounds like they all got together and had a YASSLighting session - if we all do it, they can't say anything, right? YASSSS!!! Let's just stick together - it will be FINE!

Send it to the higher ups and let them make the decision to fire. Or just send it to HR. They can handle it.

All of their excuses sound made up - and I can't believe their parents don't understand that as new hires they can't take off 2 weeks.

Fools, asking for what pretty much everyone gets in Europe. Americans are suckers.

Even in hospitals, R30? Who takes care of the patients?

I get a "13th Month Salary" every year in Switzerland. Fantastic door to door public transport that runs on time. And the kids get super low coast high quality higher eduction.

They rotate, and it would have been worked out ages ago. But they don't have to wait to be entitled time off. This isn't outlandish. You all are brainwashed.

R28, good. Bye, bitch. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[quote]All of their excuses sound made up

Well, yes, because OP made them all up

Tell them exactly what I told workers back in the day who told me they were taking time off they had not earned, whether the company liked it or not. I always said 'no problem at all, we'll have your final check mailed to your home".

I did a national search for a PhD in a very specific area of considerable importance to our research.

Found good candidates, offered one the job who at the end of the meeting announced that in her third week she already had a trip to South America booked for six weeks.

I wished her a good life and closed the door on her.

This type of employee will run a business straight into the ground, and it's happening everywhere.

GenZ should be more like Luigi. Now THAT's a go-getter and someone who gets shit done😂!

Don’t forget Danny Penny r39

I honestly believe everyone should have a whole month off work in the summer. Even cops and doctors. It will just be total anarchy for one month.

R41, plus they're both in shape. Not like slobs playing video games.

Honestly, that's how it should be. We are so overworked compared to the rest of the developed world.

Work is s hit.

Most people don't like their jobs unless they have some sort of high position that they can lord over people with.

Slavery was outlawed, supposedly.

You need money to survive, so whether you want to or not, you have to get it unless you know how to live without money, or don't need to work for it.

You spend all your time working a job you don't necessarily enjoy to get money.

Why?

Can't there be a better way? We didn't always have the 40-hour work week. It used to be. You had to work Saturdays too. It used to be the there was slavery.

And 40 hours most of your fucking work day when you spend a few hours just kind of waiting around. Maybe waiting out the clock if you're not salary. You have to take time off of work just to go to the dentist office.

Just have it be 32 hours a week. And give people more weeks off.

Work sucks. Let's admit it.

People want to spend their lives doing stuff that is actually enjoyable. I'm with Gen Z.

Just because the older generations did it doesn't mean it's right. The older generations used to have kids working in coal mines.

OP it's fun to make up stuff, isn't it? What has made you feel so desperate for attention today?

Why do you think I roll my eyes when people tell me that America is the best country in the world?

Even when I was 18 and stationed in (West) Germany, I knew the Germans had a much better life than we do.

I wonder why the Americans are so sad compared to the Europeans.

None of this ever happened, and the clues are the way all 5 of them demanded two weeks, all 5 of them cried, all 5 of them are Gen Z females, etc. Plus the cliche naming of "Breanna" and having her mother make the phone call.

But in general: You do better at employee retention if you describe the job accurately and describe the vacation situation accurately. I used to manage gifts processing at a not for profit with a massive surge of gift memberships at year end. Always told everybody up front, "the job is boring but it's steady and the benefits are good... and, it's intense in late December, we will need the whole team to work that entire work week up until Christmas Day. That's just how it is with this job. I'll give you whatever time off you want after that, when it quiets back down." Never had a problem, even with 22 year olds right out of school. You need to be clear eyed and honest with the people you're going to hire.

r47 you aren't getting the message. This generation is different. As a college teacher I have noticed. They have their charms and their talents but they really really really want to have it their way, in the end, no matter what they may have paid lip service to. They are, for the most part, not into work work for works sake, quite the opposite, and will complete their work blithely unaware of any criteria of excellence besides what is easiest and fastest for themselves.

Oh I have the message. You're right, in broad brush strokes. 1,000 college professors cannot all be wrong in what they are seeing and reporting.

And yet. It matters whether this tale, at the outset, is fact or fiction.

This specific tale is fiction.

r48 'They only do the work expected of them'/'they don't live to work' is not the burn you think it is.

This is a BS post.

“So now I have five female new-hire Zoomers telling me they'll call out sick for the next few weeks.”

Employees don’t tell their bosses they are going to “call in sick” when they aren’t. They just do it.

It's not meant as a burn. It's descriptive of their M.O. Compromises will have to be made with them. Certain professions will come to this easier than others. We don't want engineers living by a credo of personal expediency. Or chefs. There is a blithe disregard for "standards". This can be refreshing. But is basic punctuation to be discarded? Structural integrity? Harmoniousness and elegance?

I guess I'm just a different sort. I've been retired since 2007. Work was my life. I had 6 weeks vacation time every year and never took more than 1 week, a day at a time. When I wasn't at work in the office I was at work at home. Took one day a week (usually Saturday) for my play day (not counting some wild & crazy late night outings). Only twice did I take more than one day at a time and that the 2 days each I took when my parents died. To this day retiring early was the hardest thing I've ever been through.

I can't understand these young nitwits who want everything handed to them and refuse to work for anything unless it's easy. What will they do when they're old and have little to nothing built up to carry them through their declining years?

Remember back when the elaborate scenario trolls posted here were clever and didn't tip their hand too easily?

indeed, used to be more entertaining

See. You just know there are a lot of retired people on a thread when they express disbelief that any of this is happening in today's workplace.

Oh, if only all of this was an elaborate scenario!

r53 The "different sort" you are is a sucker.

[quote]Work was my life. I had 6 weeks vacation time every year and never took more than 1 week, a day at a time.

Do you understand how most people, reading your story, would find it miserable? Most people don't want their work to consume their lives and don't see why it should.

That's why you go to college -- to study something you love so you can work in a profession that you love.

If you love what you do, it's never work.

r53 Did you like your job?

I find it helps when you sincerely enjoy the work that you do on some level.

This is the most insipid post for 2024 r59

Bravo

[quote]See. You just know there are a lot of retired people on a thread when they express disbelief that any of this is happening in today's workplace.

THIS IS EXACTLY IT. There's a mix of people here who have been retired for years and never worked with an entitled Zoomer, and then you have the Zoomers here who are defending their generation of entitled coworkers. These people really need to work with and supervise Zoomers before they make judgments. Ten again, that's the enjoyment of DL.

The best ones are the ones who tell me my employee's names are not 'Breeana' because that's too 'stereotypical' (I'll let her know that).

r61 Not exactly. I went into the field I'm in (tech) because I genuinely have a passion for it. I've been tinkering with computers for fun since I was 12 and used to create mods for video games I played (never released them, just for my own entertainment).

The corporate realm has a way of absolutely breaking your spirit with even something that you have always had a passion for doing because...profit. I'm not miserable in my position now, but I am kinda numb and hollow, now. Dead inside if you will. Working from home is great, but I think it's created bad habits that are making my drive and enjoyment of my job worse.

Exhibit A:

It worked for me, R61. I guess it didn't work for you?

r62 Unless you own the fictional company, they aren't your employees.

R62, which also begs the question of why Gen Z lives to hate on Boomers in the workplace. Ummm no. They are hardly dealing with largely retired people and the direct management who does have the pleasure of dealing with them are rarely 'boomers.'

[quote]See. You just know there are a lot of retired people on a thread when they express disbelief that any of this is happening in today's workplace.

[quote]Oh, if only all of this was an elaborate scenario!

Honey, if you [italic]really[/italic] think OP has an adult Gen Z worker named "Breeanna" whose mother actually called him complaining the family could not go on a Disnety trip because of his leave policy, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

r67 Their desire to bitch about Gen Z overrides logic or common sense.

R62, do you really believe that there are Zoomers on this website?

I doubt the kids today are switching over from TikTok to DL, engrossed by our endless discussions of The Golden Girls, Bonnie Franklin and Vivian Vance.

R53 What a sad way to spend your our life. All that time wasted on making someone else money.

And R48:

[quote] They are, for the most part, not into work work for works sake, quite the opposite, and will complete their work blithely unaware of any criteria of excellence besides what is easiest and fastest for themselves.

Well shit — that sounds perfectly logical to me.

The number of neurodivergent college students is suddenly about 3 times what it used to be. ADHD brings the struggle to see the long game and to juggle several objectives and plan accordingly.

Many gen z live in the moment and have a lot of anxiety, too. Avoidant. We elders can experience this behaviour as selfish and rude, but they are oblivious to our old rules and expectations. They are not purposefully disrespectful they are ignorant, as if they grew up on a different plant than the one that hosted several generations preceding them.

[quote]At my new job I started early this year, part of my responsibilities include hiring Mental Health Workers and Social Workers at the hospital I work for.

Setting aside all the other stuff, I know someone in a similar role and she has a lot of amusing stories. My favorites are the newbies who lack the emotional bandwidth to deal with their clients' problems.

Imagine that, people new to working with those with mental health issues needing a little time to get used to it.

Damn kids today, not being able to immediately acclimatise to every situation imaginable.

R69, it would totally be a Gen Z M.O. to troll some website filled with older gay men. I would not disbelieve that at all.

Work for works sake has value if someone intelligent is doing it. Because it created excellence and insight.

Regarding university life, since we are talking about gen z professionals who have university diplomas, for 50 years a good college/university would have libraries open late and all night study rooms, with 30-50% of the student body being very very hard workers, driving themselves to excellence. That was different than gen z, expediently doing what is required to pass and move on and pursing extremely limited or no intellectual collegiality with peers and teachers.

They may be curious, but they are not curious in the domains that most of us olds know anything about, and value.

Even the brilliant STEM students have levelled down a bit in their delightful balancing acts of science and creative pursuits.

In general, gen z is streamlined, lacking catholic interests.

R67, I have seen firsthand Gen Z workers trying to pull some of what the OP has mentioned -- not all of it and not all at once -- but I [italic]know[/italic] how they are. And keep in mind, nobody is saying that they're terrible people. I have family of this generation whom I adore. But let's face it -- as workers, a lot of them are fucking lazy and they suck ass right now. I'm also not discrediting the possibility that they'll turn 30, mature some, and improve. But everybody coddling and making excuses for them certainly isn't going to help.

R73, being new to a particular workplace doesn't mean they're all new to the field, though many are. It's a tough line of work that some people pursue for the wrong reasons, which often means they burn out faster. That's less a personal failure than a failure of the system to identify ideal candidates.

Oh, dear-ing myself because I'm R72, not R71.

I work in a hospital, aren't you worried about productivity tanking over the holidays with a full workforce? We're asking our people to flex at least 2 days around each of the holidays, Christmas, and NYE. Two weeks is certainly in excess of that, but there are certainly departments who are not critical or emergent that could afford to go lean during these 2 weeks. I understand you need a certain complement of MSWs around, but I don't know how high your census is going to be. Mental health probably never dies down, though. At least not here. Those folks need to go to work.

r74 is desperate to believe that Gen Z are interested in him

R80, no, I don't actually. I like men. Not little boys with sticky fingers.

OP's story is so pathetically exaggereated. No, I'm not a zoomer, I'm a GenX who works with lots of people under 30. Are some of them annoying? Of course. Is the percentage of nitwits any higher than our over 50 crowd? Absolutely not.

[quote] [R67], I have seen firsthand Gen Z workers trying to pull some of what the OP has mentioned -- not all of it and not all at once -- but I know how they are.

That has nothing to do whatsoever with the ridiculously unbelievable anecdote he said about Breanna and her mom, which is what I specifically addressed.

You're just trying to divert attention. His post is ridiculously unbelievable, and you're a fool for having claimed you believe it.

OP are you the same troll who hates all the "work from home whippersnappers?"

R83, I personally don't give a flying rat's ass what you think. And frankly the ones here apologizing and coddling and making up excuses are the most ridiculous ones. Jesus Christ, no wonder they are the way that they are. But go right on ahead and feel free to keep holding Gen Z's dick for them while they piss.

r85 Seriously, seek help. No one is doing that.

It does make me laugh that this OP is seething with envy for his lost youth.

r85, it's clear you DO give a rat's ass what I think, or else you would not be throwing a tantrum.

[quote] [R53] Did you like your job?

No, I loved my job. I worked for only one company my entire career (33 years) and with a few exceptions I couldn't wait to get to the office every day.

But I certainly understand how such devotion to your career would not be for everyone. If I had not known all along it would pay off in the end it probably wouldn't have been for me either.

You'll never retain talented employees if you act entitled to 100% of their time, OP. It's not longer 1964 and people want a work-life balance.

[quote]They are not purposefully disrespectful they are ignorant

As any cop will tell you, Ignorance is no excuse. If you want a job, it's up to you to understand both the job and the rules surrounding the job. It is not up to the workplace to continually make the rules clear to you. They provide them once and you READ them. But you're talking to the generation that never reads Terms and Conditions.

The fact that Breanna's mom and dad thought it was fine to book her on their holiday without asking what her work requirements might be gives you a clue to where it's coming from. For some reason, Boomer and X mothers seem to be infatuated with their daughters in a way previously unknown. Many of my Booomer friends are always watching (and recommending!!) vacuous TV shows that nobody could have recommended except their teeen-20s daughters. The number of deluded women who thought watching The Gilmore Girls with their daughters made them Rory and Whatsername (the mother) would fry your brain.

R90, you're an idiot. People who work in hospitals have to work the rosters they're given or disasters happen. If you don't want that lifestyle, don't work in a hospital. These kids have agency, you know. Unemployment in the US is at an all-time low. But they can't organise their lives to meet their own expectations: instead they expect to choose what they please and have everyone else fall in with them.

r91 Touch grass

What an Esoteric Scintillating Tale!

R67 = Another Zoomer defending his entitled colleagues.

OP stole my act

Someone's not getting a Bippity Boppity Boutique tee shirt.

It's the way to get a union started. Banding together for leverage against the man.

Bitches, you can't treat us like shit.

My boss told us to enjoy our time off, but make sure that we are available for work. WTF??!!

To be fair, nobody had any vacation requests turned down. But it’s the manager’s job to make sure there is adequate coverage. You don’t let everyone take off the last week of the year and then announce they may have to work. We are all mature professionals working for a large financial firm. Other groups got the same comment so it must have come from the top. However, my immediate manager should have ensured coverage so I’m not absolving him.

I have no problem checking email once a day while on vacation and of course I’d pitch in if I could in a real emergency. But I might not have a laptop with me. Or I might have a flight to catch or a time difference might mean I was interrupting someone else’s rest by working in a hotel room. It’s a completely unreasonable demand that we should just be on call as a matter of course.

I only decided to take two days off last minute, so I don’t really have a gripe. But if I’d cleared my vacation 3 months ago and had plans I’d be livid.

I don't think OP is making all of this up. My younger siblings are Gen Z. Without going into details, let's just say I believe 99.9999% of this post.

R88, not a tantrum. Just how I talk and how I roll -- don't put up with bullshit from Gen Z or mealy-mouthed bitches.

You Americans are far too in love with your work to be healthy

I believe OP - my ex who worked around a lot of zoomer girls at a retail place. Constant no call no shows and really trifling attitudes like they couldn’t wrap their minds around it not being a place to mostly hang out. I never heard about the guys being such bad workers just stupid.

Aren't most civilized people taking off the next couple of weeks?

[quote] You Americans are far too in love with your work to be healthy

And you wonder why so many people where you live are so poor and live in government subsidized council houses and flats.

If you are going to work for a hospital, you should count on working on holidays. You're not working for the hospital, you're working for its PATIENTS. If you have no compunction about walking away from them, you have no business working in those fields. It's part of the sacrifice you make, and you have damned well known it from the start.

I would hate to think my grandfather came to rely on the contact with his social worker, maybe revealed some details that put his psyche on shady ground, and then the person he trusted walked away for two weeks. Would the two-week vacationer feel any sense of responsibility to the person he told he would support him through whatever.

Give me a break! You get a job, you know the responsibilities and expectations, and the hospital rules. Do your job!

[quote] Give me a break! You get a job, you know the responsibilities and expectations, and the hospital rules. Do your job!

Oh no. Don't tell that to some of the hand-holding scolds here. They can't have that.

Anything about sacrificing for your job is bullshit they use to control you

Fictional post or not—the part about the mothers calling definitely happens. We’ve had parents of younger employees call admin/HR on their behalf. It started happening more in the last 2-3 years. Of course, we don’t engage with them, What parent of an ADULT would think to do that??

[quote] I have no problem checking email once a day while on vacation

This is how conditioned some of you are. Hellooo?? It’s called VACATION. That means NO WORK and no “quick email checks”. The idea is that you completely shut off your work and focus on enjoying life.

As long as people keep licking the corporate boots, corporations will keep exploiting you.

I work in a large law firm (not a lawyer) and we always have the same problem around the year-end holidays with new hires - staff and attorneys alike. And it seems to be mostly women who had problems, but not always. Young fresh associates, extremely well paid, are of the belief that they can go skiing for a week and “work remotely.” But that ignores the 3 days a week in the office policy. Some don’t even bother telling the partners or HR or their secretaries where they are. Does the work get done while they are away? Nope! They miss deadlines, and their work is shoddy.

The culture clash is real.

[quote] corporations will keep exploiting you.

There is no exploitation if you're doing it of your own accord and the company is not bothering you while you're on holiday. Believe it or not some people don't want to come back from holiday and be surprised by some mess that has transpired because they weren't around to deal with it before it got out of hand. Spending a few minutes while on holiday to take care of a work related issue is much smarter than letting a problem spiral out of control.

r111 And I'm sure the company rewards you that, right? What, no, it doesn't? Well I'm shocked.

If you were smart, you'd let the mess happen and then use it as an example of how utterly indispensable you are for the company, given how every time you go on vacation a fuck up happens. But instead you decide to give them free work. Sucker.

R112, the only thing I let a company reward me with is my monthly full salary retirement checks and the 100% paid health and lucrative life insurance policies. A reward I received for 33 years of faithful service. Rewards I've been receiving for almost 13 years. That's why I never had any problem at all extending myself far beyond the requirements for my employer. And that's the problem so many suffer from today. They don't look beyond the immediate rewards and to the future benefits.

This is why China will win.

r113 You mean the same salary and pension and insurance that all your co-workers who didn't provide free labour also got? Imagine thinking that the thing you worked for counts as a reward. Imagine using words like "faithful" to describe employment.

R115 they don’t know that they’re slaves. Shhh!

The answer to your question OP was found in your next to last paragraph.

Mommy called.

Helicopter parents raised the Zoomers. While taking care of everything for their spoiled brats they failed to teach them any accountability and failed to give them any responsibility.

Fuck them.

Get approval to start recruiting and be ready to fire anyone that calls out.

OP, it sounds like they were given an insane number of warnings as to the consequences of their actions.

I'm glad you refused to talk to the mom and told her that her kid is an adult and should be handling this herself. No one should be talking to parents when it is an adult and employment is involved.

Seems like you handled it very well. Don't feel bad. They were given repeated warnings as to what would happen. THEY picked Disney over their job. Oh well. Time for termination.

r103, it's a HOSPITAL. Illness and injuries don't take a holiday off. "Civilized" has nothing to do with it.

This. Never. Happened.

OP tried it, but having FIVE flakes was too much, gurl. One or two would be believable.

I've worked with Gen Z'ers and also went back to university with Gen Z'ers. Yes, some of them are painfully unprepared for the world due to helicopter parenting, but the majority of them are as hard working as any other generation. AND I'd sooner work with a smart, driven Gen Z'er than some baby making machine that perpetually has to miss work or leave early to deal with Brayden/Caden/Jaden and their every want, need or whim.

[Quote] They want a balance, work is not their #1 priority.

Yes they want balance. The patients under their care need to take that into account as they die.

This didn’t happen. The biggest clue is that OP says it was the women. OP, you lie like a rug.

Is this real? How can we verify that OP did not make this story up.

[quote] Is this real? How can we verify that OP did not make this story up.

Contact the FBI, Rose. They'll get right on the case.

I would give 2 of them the weeks off if they sucked my cock. Sorry not sorry.

You can't even threated Gen Z's with fucking up their future, because they know on some level they have none

R126 Very true

Gen Z has nothing to lose. The earth will become near inhabitable within the next 50 years, with dramatic effects already seen today. Think of all the floods in Europe this year alone. The wildfires in North-America. The droughts followed by insane rainfall in Africa and Asia.

And it’s only going to get worse. Gen Z has only the moment to live for.

But, but, but they should be "faithful" to a massive corporation that will cut their entire department if it means a momentary gain in the share price because, er, work ethic?

[quote] You mean the same salary and pension and insurance that all your co-workers who didn't provide free labour also got?

To get that level of retirement benefits required 30 years of continuous service and there weren't many of us who made it that far.

r129 So the answer to my question is "yes".

One thing they don't seem to appreciate is how much milder management is these days. Like they get treated with kid gloves. And they still complain. Ha! They should have tried starting entry work 20, 25, 30 years ago with the management from back then. Oh, the tears would flow.

Then again, 30 years ago you left the office and there were no slack messages on your phone, work emails in the evening, everything moved at a much slower pace 🐌

r131 People standing up for themselves and complaining is why management is not like it was 20-30 years ago.

R132, that's fair. It is something watching some of the oldheads having grown soft to these new children whom they have litttle to zero interaction with. I guess it's the grandparent effect, whereby one is horrible to their own kids but spoil the grandkids.

[quote]Is this real? How can we verify that OP did not make this story up.

OP did not make this story up. Those who have gotten their titties in a twist on this forum saying 'This never happened' are fellow Zoomers who won't face the truth about themselves, as well as those who haven't been in the workplace for over 20 years (and have never worked with Zoomers in their employment). Those who work with Zoomers on a daily basis know it's true, and have their similar stories to share.

r135 You are OP, so why are you referring to yourself in the third person? Trying to do a little sock puppeting? Posted from the wrong account? There's proof right there that OP is a bullshitter.

Make em work. It’ll teach them discipline.

R136 stays inside his micro brain as usual

I'm REAL! I totally did not get made up by the OP of this thread! Editor, please remove this hurtful post about my 25 year old Gen Z snookum-pie Breeanna at once! Did I mention she is Gen Z?

Also, I'm REAL!

Fuck em! Make em work the holidays!

Op what are their first names. You have 5 minute. Go…

Given the type of urgent work you do, I think it is crazy. But we need more paid time off in the USA. Hate how some jobs have you come back to work on the 26th or 27th. It is not like there is much work anyways. Can't wait for the 4 day work week. Hopefully gen z and millennials can usher this in since we now outnumber other age groups.

Maybe, but there will always be a group of bootlickers who are against any progress (see this thread)

R143, changing the workplace is great and overdue. I'm fully on board with that. But some youngsters are deluded into thinking they can somehow get away without work. There's an entire subreddit dedicated to non-working -- r/antiwork -- and it has 2.9 million members! Or many who do have jobs think they can get away with scrolling on TikTok all day. Are they crazy?

Ask yourself this, R144: What’s in it for them?

r144 Where's your evidence that it's only "youngsters" posting there?

[quote]You are OP, so why are you referring to yourself in the third person? Trying to do a little sock puppeting? Posted from the wrong account? There's proof right there that OP is a bullshitter.

Why wouldn't I refer to myself as OP ? That's how I'm identified here. Try to follow along.

Maybe you need a juice box and some coloring books to calm you down ? Do you have a safe space to hid in ?

[quote]Op what are their first names. You have 5 minute. Go…

I have five minute ? You Zoomers still talk like you're in pre-K.

R147 You are a very lonely idiot.

R148 Yet I have you for company. I guess all the lonely idiots stick together ?

r147 If you actually did refer to yourself as OP that wouldn't be a problem - such as "I'm OP and I'm not lying", "OP here..", etc. But you didn't, you referred to OP in the third person, trying to pretend you were someone else backing you up. It's pretty pathetic. And your attempts to insult the maturity of others hardly works when you can't even type properly.

R150 You really need to get out more and socialize with actual people. Have some socialization with other people face-to-face. It will do you a world of good. Trust me.

Says the person making up stories on DL

R135 REALLY IS OP. What a pathetic troll. Thanks for this reveal.

Gotta love how OP purports to be of a superior generation, yet zig-zags between making shit up, sockpuppetry, and name-calling like some milk-drinking 3rd grader.

[quote]2. Vacation requests - especially the next two weeks - were requested six months ago, and based on seniority.

That's ridiculous to have a policy where people book vacation requests six months in advance to outwit others.

A business that provides care services 365 days a year has to take into account that everyone everywhere wants the end of the year off. Obviously they cannot allow that and continue their operations, but they can make the process perfectly clear to new hires. More importantly, they can offer some sort of bonus pay to holiday period workers. It's a way to dull the pain of new hires who have to work the first year (or how many years) and an incentive to long term workers who don't mind working in that period.

To be told that one can have vacation time only in the very first part of the calendar year before all the bitches with seniority snag it means you will lose qualified staff. I don't reckon it does much for relations among staff either.

3. They signed off with HR's new hire package saying they are expected to work through these holidays (not on Christmas Day or New Year's Day) and no allowances will be given. It's THEIR job to be here for their patients.

For how long? Until they have how many years of seniority to have some choice of their vacation and leave time?

Obviously it's a business built on providing care services daily, every day. But surely there's some need to have well qualified staff on duty in those same popular vacation weeks , not just the new hires with miserly vacation allowances that they have to schedule a half year in advance -- if they have X years of seniority.

Somebody somewhere in your organization has a spreadsheet of leave/vacation allowances that must be completed in that calendar year. It would seem sine of the fault is in not taking notice of people in danger if forfeiting leave and notifying them with the proper warnings and instructions. Likewise, if a number of people are asking for unpaid leave or unavailable days for vacation leave, send out a stern and clear memo and be done with it.

Fire em on 12/24

It's funny that people on here are doubting OP.

The doubters are either outraged Gen Zers pissed off they are being singled out for their awfulness or people who have never had to work with Gen Zers.

Exactly, R157. Previous generations were known for simply loving the joy of work. What happened to us? People BEGGED to work over Christmas and New Years.

R158 Yes...that is exactly the same as having our mommies call work to get us excused so we can to Disneyland...

Jesus.

Except that never happened.

R113 It’s not a “reward.” It’s benefits of employment. Work. You seem to think your employer is your parent.

While I think OP paints with a broad stroke and embellished a tad, I manage a hair salon, and the system we use to schedule clients is tailored to each stylist. I can take anything that walks in the door, but stylists were complaining they weren’t making enough money and that I was taking all the clients. (OK, so yes, I am there to make money too.)

I had to float a questionnaire, and was startled because my younger staff will refuse to work even 15 minutes too late or early, cannot book over a lunch, or double book guests. The questionaire walked them through what was and was not permissible to book if they are not there to approve the booking. It wasn’t meant for them, but when questioned, to be able to properly validate my own book from the OVERWHELMING AMONT of sheer business that they turn away and absolutely refuse to do.

There are weeks I make 5-10 times more sales.

It's really funny how posters on this thread try to give examples of how Gen Z is absolutely awful only for them to turn out to be really reasonable. So they won't work earlier or later than scheduled? They won't work through their breaks? How dare they want a work-life balance!

It’s not even about a work-life balance, it’s about not being exploited

Gen wars! Gen wars! Gen wars!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

It goes without saying that Elon Musk should never be interfering in foreign nations' business. In fact he's been doing the same thing here in the UK. It is outrageous.

^^ Wrong thread?

R163, I didn’t say “work through breaks” but to move a lunch a bit earlier or later to accommodate a client that is also on a lunch break getting their hair done (or I will take them). I have staff that start at 1pm, then mark lunch an hour later.

I also have staff that will walk right in on the mark, and not have prepared the station or checked to see if they have everything ready to take a client, and unfurling wires, cleaning tools, wiping hair and cleaning dirty implements that should’ve been cleaned earlier openly in front of them, and running late anyways OR walk right out at close of shift, leaving mess for the night crew to clean. We pay for every minute clocked in early or staying a bit late.

It is a lack of preparedness, thoughtfulness of others and how networking and social skills contributes towards their career trajectory, and a spirit of goodwill towards a team effort that’s totally missing from Gen Z.

Maybe it’s the microplastics.

R163 Great to want a work/life balance but then you can't bitch you don't make as much money as someone who is working harder than you. Whining "it's not fair you make more money than me!" when I'm the one putting in more work is ludicrous.

Fire em! 🔥

r168 So upon your whining being shown up as ridiculous you immediately move goalposts. Sure, you're totally not making stuff up. Funny, though, that in your own story you sound like you're failing at your job of being a manager.

r169 Except that poster didn't say it was the Gen Z stylists complaining about that - they just said some stylists. No doubt they now will, as their other attempt to knock Gen Z failed miserably, but we'll know that's as fake as OP's story, as they would've said so to begin with.

R171 Wow. You're really invested in the 'It's a FAKE story' narrative. Are you Gen Z? Or, the Mommy of a Gen Z?

Gen X and Boomers praise the 80 hour work week like it's something to be proud of but then wonder why they come from broken homes, broken marriages and drink their issues away. Gen Z requesting the holidays off isn't anything to cry about, it's normal and natural for people to want to spend a time of year dedicated to family with their families. You don't have to approve PTO during a blackout period but they have every right to request it. Take your high blood pressure meds and sit down.

I've never met ANYONE of any age "praising" an 80 hour work week. Certainly not a Gen Xer.

Well actually if you've been told as a new hire that you're not going to get certain holidays off in your first year of employment, it's pretty stupid to go ahead and make that request and even stupider to pout about it. Someone has to work those hours and as a new hire, you're going to have to put in the time and effort because the folks who already have ARE going to ask for and get that time off. That's how seniority works.

And, go ahead and request that time off that you've already been told you're not gonna get but then don't pout when you don't get it. Especially in a hospital/medical environment where there very much has to be people working to cover shifts so people get care. If you need holidays off, then you need to find a work environment where you're guaranteed to not have to work them.

I'm thinking of signing off early today to make my next two-days off into two-days and a half. My supervisor is gone until next year, and I'm really just here closing out tickets. If I end early, does that make my a bad employee? I'm a millennial if it matters.

^ *me

Last Christmas, my nephew was the on-call doctor patients could phone in if they had issues. There were at least a dozen phone calls, and he spent as much time with each one of the patients as they needed.

He apologized; then he said it was part of the job he elected to pursue. He is 37 years old with two young daughters. He understands the sacrifices you need to make when you are in the medical field.

Taking a phone call, such a huge sacrifice.

I routinely worked 60 hours/week and more before I retired. The only reason I did it was because I loved my work just that much. For the last 10 years of my working life I had moved our offices to a tower right next to my condo building. If I had had a commute to and from work I would probably have still worked close to the same amount of time, but I would have just put in the extra hours at home.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to put in extra hours working. We all have to have a life that makes us happy. My happiness partially came from my work. Other people feel differently about their work and I can certainly understand that. Not everyone has a job they love.

[quote]He understands the sacrifices you need to make when you are in the medical field.

r177 Because he's a physician. You can't and will not survive medical school without understanding this. By the time you graduate, it becomes embedded into your character and you do it without even realizing. Medical school is basically boot camp for physicians.

Also, 37 is a millennial. That's class of 2005. A year behind me.

Gen Z piously claiming that they want the time off to spend it with their families . . . is a "Sure, Jan" moment.