Volleyball player claims she suffered brain bleed after being struck unconscious by trans opponent

Take your agenda elsewhere, cunt.

Murdoch NY Post syndication links give SEO and clickdollars to people who hate gay men, too.

McNabb said the transgender player never apologized to her after his kill shot caused her brain bleed, eyesight loss and other injuries & wrecked her athletic career, and the incident started to attract publicity.

[quote]However, she said in the documentary that she did receive a text from him after her story began to draw publicity. It read: “Wow I really am living rent free in your head, aren’t I?

Nice.

Sweetheart r1 putting on your sister's panties doesn't make you a woman and you're scaring the children. Brain bleeds are treacherous and I hope she recovers. She's not an athlete now but she is a warrior for taking the fight to grotesqueries in women's prisons and spaces.

Trannies get clicks. But certainly getting severely domed is typical and usual volleyball risk?

Payton… name checks out.

If you had to choose would you rather get a punch to the head by a man or a woman r5? Who's going to do more damage?

You know what you're doing. And so do we. Expect pushback. Every time.

R7 - where’s the alleged transgender volleyball player in this story? My partner’s sister is built like a brick shithouse and has laid out guys a foot taller than her. As a male, I couldn’t take out a fly. It’s not necessarily the punch in a case like this that causes the damage, but the connection your head makes with the floor. Maybe Payton is just too delicate to play sports?

Oh, do we another JK Rowling situation where some anti-trans crank overreacted? Shocker.

Transgender people... a fraction of 1% of the population, yet 30% of the culture wars. MAKE IT STOP

This story for example. It's that sports league's business, what rules it wants to set and decides to set. The entire nation does not need to be rubbernecking, armchair-warrioring, and opining out the yin-yang about it.

Nobody cares about your pet issue,.OP. They care about you going away.

Women need to stop participating in sports that allow male players, FULL STOP! It is the only way this insanity will end. I don't understand women, they enable, allow and go along with the most destructive shit.

The trans agenda seems to be circling the drain.

The anti trans one here is, for sure.

Protect women & girls. Males do not belong in female sports. Transwomen are male.

Maybe three posters I. This thread, but definitely one person with a major axe to grind. Most people on DL don't care either way.

R9 A man gave her a concussion, a neck injury and two black eyes. Yet you blame her.

I care. No swingin' dicks in the ladies' locker room!

Which sock puppet is this, OP?

R13, they can lose their scholarships and be barred from athletics.

I agree that this would end the craziness, but it shouldn’t be left to teenaged girls and young women.

It’s on administrators, and Biden (or whoever the fuck is running the show) has kind of fucked them with Title IX, though the pushback is now in action and lawsuits are forming.

[quote] The trans agenda seems to be circling the drain.

Is the trans agenda as evil as the gay agenda?

0.6% of people are trans. A tiny subset are playing sports. An even tinier portion are playing sports well enough to compete at the collegiate level.

This is much ado about nothing

If trump/ gop could pull it off they somehow would leave this issue of trans men in women sports alive and well into the 2028 election. Make it an election issue once again.

I doubt they will though. My guess is by spring this will be fixed, and while most on DL may not give a fuck, the voters will be happy.

But happy voters in 2025 is not nearly important as angry voters in 2028

Progressive driving toward the cliff as hard and fast as they can——Trump may step in a save them,

R24, no the GOP needs a new bogeyman each election. It will so some other group of "dangerous people."

[quote]It’s not necessarily the punch in a case like this that causes the damage, but the connection your head makes with the floor. Maybe Payton is just too delicate to play sports

I don’t think anyone with XY chromosomes should play in women’s sports, but the anti-trans brigade are reaching for straws in this case. Whether she was injured by being hit by the ball or hitting the ground, that could have also occurred with another female opponent. She needs to play on a special team where the girls all wear helmets.

[Quote] Sweetheart [R1] putting on your sister's panties doesn't make you a woman and you're scaring the children.

Well, you certainly showed r1 that you don’t have an agenda!

So we need video of the event to determine - this could have just been a bad injury no matter who the other side was. I saw a still photo of the court and the players - there doesn't appear to be one super large overly built He-man like woman on the other team.

There are head injuries in women's volleyball often - usually concussions.

If she hit her head on the floor, then this is really a bad faith argument. This sounds like an accident and she's looking for someone to blame and to use the notoriety somehow.

I'm not in favor of trans competing in women's sports, but I'm even more against bad faith arguments and creating controversy for political and personal purposes.

Bullshit R38. Girls and women are being injured, they are losing rankings and titles to men and losing scholarships. Plus, it is all about mentally ill men manipulating the rest of us.

This is much ado about nothing

And yet there's AWAYS something in the news about trannies, once again it's me me me, that's the problem, me me me look at me and my tranniness ain't I pretty!

That text sent to her was over the top— like pouring salt in the wound.

What kind of asshole says that?

[quote] Is the trans agenda as evil as the gay agenda?

No, because the gay agenda doesn’t put others at risk or demand to be let into women’s spaces nor calls for mutilating and drugging gay children. It doesn’t try to override anyone else’s rights.

R3 Oh see hell no. That is hella disrespectful 😂. These trans stay getting out of pocket. They do this shit everyday with someone somewhere. It’s a mental fucking disorder they have. They is no way my daughter would be competing against boys. All the testosterone that comes out with competitive energy. Fuck no. This shit defies any common sense.

R29 was for R23.

[quote] You know what you're doing. And so do we. Expect pushback. Every time.

Oh no! Not the PUSHBACK!!!

We never hear about trans men in sports. Weird.

A shot to the head with a volleyball is going to do the same damage to a man as it would a woman. The offending player’s sex is irrelevant in this case.

[quote]Is the trans agenda as evil as the gay agenda?

Our gay agenda not to be killed?

Sorry this happened to her. Ugly men in dresses and earrings, begone!

Again, R18, where is this alleged man that did this to her? We have a story with allegations it no proof it even happened. Or if it did happen, that it was a trans person who hit her.

[quote] We never hear about trans men in sports. Weird.

Because the GOP made it an issue specifically to bring suburban women back into its fold: "Save girls sports!"

They've kept this player anonymous. They don't zoom in on him so the public doesn't know what he looks like.

You all don't realize how fast a spiked volleyball is traveling.

Probably clocked at 60 mph or more.

That can do some real damage, especially with the power of a male-born athlete behind it.

[quote] A shot to the head with a volleyball is going to do the same damage to a man as it would a woman. The offending player’s sex is irrelevant in this case.

Imagine being this stupid.

[quote] We never hear about trans men in sports. Weird.

Because they will never be able to beat men. Women are born with different body types, different lung capacity and body fiber. Taking testosterone doesn’t matter. Women have been separated because men are biologically stronger.

Watch this.

Spiked volleyball speed by a male player = 134 kph, which translates to about 83 mph.

^ So weird that this has to be spelled out.

Here is a running list of biological women who’ve been displaced by biological men in sporting competitions.

For the “this never happens”/“it’s only a tiny percentage” crowd.

[quote]Imagine being this stupid.

You think men have extra “head cushioning”?

Unless a woman being injured is somehow worse to you than a man being injured which is just some sexist bullshit.

Well here's the actual video footage.

Thanks, R50. Fuck, that was brutal.

even if she was on hormones, her muscles are larger, as is her heart and lungs, which will always give her advantages in strength. I support trans rights, but there has to be another answer. Can they reorganize to group men and women into categories of weight, height and strength? it's not fair what happened to this young girl, but on the other hand I've had many female friends who had their athletic career ended from an injury by another woman player. IDK. This is where compassion comes in...and it seems no one has it anymore. They just want to scrap and fight and hate.....

It’s a brave selfless act to put standing up for men in women sports over winning elections. That shows a true level of commitment and support..

I hope the anti-trans Op is going to tell this

buttercup to stay away from skiing then also.

How do we know that’s a trans player? A YouTube channel that believes in the Illuminati isn’t exactly proof.

Biological woman are able to spike balls at that speed. Again, doesn’t matter.

You play sports you run the risk of being injured.

Brain bleeds can happen indoors like hotel rooms so OP &

this player should sleep outside in a tent just for safety reasons.

R52, your solution of organizing categories regardless of sex according to height and hormones will still result in men winning.

Why is this small male demographic so important that we have to dismantle women's athletics for them?

There are lots of co ed sports events and leagues. The trans men who want to compete against women should find some.

Cunt.

Don’t trans advocates realize that trans women in women’s sports makes people anti-trans?

r61 is also:

*THEATRE GOSSIP #577: The "Maybe a Happy Ending for Darren Criss?" Edition*

[quote][quote]Call her Madame Rose!

[quote]Mammy Rose, actually.

Stalker Alert Stalker Alert

^Troll Alert Troll Alert

Trollin' trollin' trollin'

Left wingers really need to take Biology 101. It’s embarrassing how much they don’t know about the human body.

What did R62 say about me? I have that user blocked.

A man is going to throw shit at a higher velocity than women. Duh.

Again, maybe give people posting on this thread, tops. It's all variation on the same theme.

Isn’t the volleyball net lower in the women’s game? R9 take a woman UFC fighter who is at the top of her game and fights at 135 lbs then take the top male fighter who also fights at that weight and he’s at the top of his game. Have them fight and see how quickly the male would destroy her and she would be lucky if he didn’t kill her.

R47, trolling website. It also lists ballet as a sport. The whole thing is laughable

[quote] A man is going to throw shit at a higher velocity than women. Duh.

All men? Men on estrogen?

The Olympics lady boxer also cried foul when the Egyptian boxer whopped her good.

They claimed the Egyptian boxer just MUST be a man. But, nope, she's all woman.

Whenever a woman is a strong athlete, they accuse her of being a man

Algerian R73 and yes he’s a man.

R74, no she's not. A woman genetically, physically, and by self identification.

Certainly wasn't a problem in the previous Olympics. Suddenly became a problem when she started winning in this Olympics.

Let’s hope this issue never goes away and all continue the good fight. It’s a gift.

R75 and he failed 2 genetic tests before the Olympics and a leaked report from French and Algerian hospitals both confirmed he has internal testes and a micro penis. He’s male with a DSD.

[quote] [R75] and he failed 2 genetic tests before the Olympics and a leaked report from French and Algerian hospitals both confirmed he has internal testes and a micro penis. He’s male with a DSD.

Sure...and yet the Olympics let her box and Algeria let her represent the country. Utter BS

Read up on the Algerian boxer and see that all those claims of genetic tests and such were false.

I support the trans community in every manner, however, I agree that female sports should be played among females, and male sports played with males.

That said, I also believe that sports should ALSO include a segment for sports to be participated in, by trans athletes.

The issue here is that there aren’t enough trans male or females for this to actually happen.

Don’t come for me with outrage! Again, I support trans & trans athletes, however, it’s unfair to expect biological female athletes to compete with now trans females who were once biological males, just like it’s unfair for biological males, to compete with trans males, who were once biological females.

They let laurel hubbard, a biological man compete in the women’s division r78.

Wikipedia R79? The two tests that showed Khelif was male were done in India and Israel both by labs that meet IOC and the CAS standards. Both said he was male. The latest leaked test came from a two separate French and Algerian endocrinologists at different hospital who tested Kheilf in 2023 and concluded he was a male, well before the 2024 Olympic Games.

R80 is the most sensible post on this thread.

Well put R80. I agree.

Then, of course, youll have to define a woman. As soon as an XX person has some extra testosterone, she's called a man and told not to compete.

The progressives are Flat Earthers on this point.

85 posts in 12 hours.

Transphobia chum.

Great job, everybody.

[quote] Bullshit [R38]. Girls and women are being injured, they are losing rankings and titles to men and losing scholarships. Plus, it is all about mentally ill men manipulating the rest of us.

And speaking of mentally ill men trying to manipulate us...

99.9% of women have a testosterone level of 0-2.4 mnol. The male range is 9-32 mnol.

JFC, the volleyball incident happened 2 years ago! There are so few trans people in women’s sports that the anti-trans movement has to recycle old news stories. Also, the audience that right wing media caters to are currently obsessed with drones, and seem to have lost interest in the “trans menace.”

Kamala lost. There's a reason for that. Democrats were on the wrong side of the trans issue and we are going to keep losing until we make a change...California Liberal Policies don't fly in Pennsylvania or Michigan. ..LGB...Drop the TEE.

It’s our revenge for every emasculating “pretty sneaky, sis” type TV commercial we had to endure as the fall out boys to women’s lib culture growing up in the 1970s. Now that Father Nature is giving you a bloody nose, you want to take your jacks and go home! Well, sorry, darlin’, either follow through with the ERA or quitcha bitchin’!

r80: , just like it’s unfair for biological males, to compete with trans males, who were once biological females."

the females have a high chance of getting injured. testosterone can only do so much for a 5"2" female.

This pro trans stuff is turning off quite a few progressives.

R93 Because it’s fucking idiotic. Women have to be protected to a certain degree. That should trump MTF trans protected class as females.

You guys notice the new trend when arguing with a trans activist. And mind you none of these people are actual trans themselves. Is to get all belligerent and overly dramatically self righteous to proclaim you will not argue with a transphobic bigot.

[quote] 99.9% of women have a testosterone level of 0-2.4 mnol. The male range is 9-32 mnol.

Trans female testosterone is in the standard female range, according to competition rules

[quote] Women have to be protected to a certain degree.

Apparently only in sports but not in reproductive health

[quote] Kamala lost. There's a reason for that. Democrats were on the wrong side of the trans issue and we are going to keep losing until we make a change...California Liberal Policies don't fly in Pennsylvania or Michigan. ..LGB...Drop the TEE.

This issue had almost no bearing on the ultimate election results

R97 That too. Nice try. I’m not a conservative.

No one EVER has cared about women and women's sports as much as conservatives when it comes to trans in sports...all 5 of them

Oh my sweet summer child r79 resorting to Wikipedia for trans stuff. Dear heart. Look at you, honey.

R101, that wiki article lists all its sources...unlike you

I just want to see Lia Thomas' HUGE COCK!

[quote] Trans female testosterone is in the standard female range, according to competition rules

Olympic rules had trans women be at 10 mnol or below to compete. If 99.9% of women have mnol levels between 0-2.4 mnol then 5-10 is at the minimum over double what most women have. Also if a trans woman went through a male puberty those changes the body goes through are irreversible. The male heart and lungs don’t shrink if you transition. The male hips don’t spread with transition.

Women are clearly FED UP.

[quote] San Jose State transgender controversy: 7 women's volleyball players reportedly enter transfer portal after turbulent season

[italic]Several teams refused to play the Spartans this season, including Boise State during the Mountain West conference tournament[/italic]

Seven members of the San Jose State women's volleyball team are entering the transfer portal following a season that saw one player out a transgender teammate, according to the San Francisco Chronicle's Marisa Ingemi.

Nayeli T’ia, Mari Lawton, Ava Martin, Laurel Barsocchini, Kiyana Faupula, Jade Epps and Teya Nguyen are reportedly the players leaving the Spartans program as they seek a "fresh restart."

Brooke Slusser, who advocated for the disqualification of a volleyball teammate who allegedly was born male but now identifies as a transgender female, is out of eligibility, as is the transgender player.

The Spartans went 14-7 this past season and finished second in the Mountain West conference. They did not advance to the NCAA tournament after losing to Colorado State in the conference tournament championship match. Seven of their wins came via forfeit after Boise State (three), Wyoming (two), Nevada and Utah State all refused to play.

Boise State withdrew from the conference tournament in November in order to avoid playing San Jose State, saying in a statement, "[The players] should not have to forgo this opportunity while waiting for a more thoughtful and better system that serves all athletes."

San Jose State has said that all of its women’s volleyball players are eligible to participate under NCAA and Mountain West Conference rules.

The NCAA allows transgender women’s athletes to compete if they meet the eligibility criteria set by their sport’s individual governing body. For women’s volleyball, that means transgender women’s athletes must submit documentation of their testosterone levels for at least the previous year to prove they do not exceed the “normal female reference range for their age group.”

In November, Boise State sisters Kiersten and Katelyn Van Kirk and a handful of other current Mountain West players filed a lawsuit against the league seeking emergency injunctive relief. The lawsuit sought to ban the San Jose State player believed to be transgender, to strip the Spartans of six league wins obtained by forfeit and prevent the team from participating in the Mountain West tournament.

U.S. District Judge Kato Crews rejected the players’ request, arguing that the late timing placed “a heavy lift” on the Mountain West and that the “plaintiffs “could have sought injunctive relief much earlier.” That ruling was upheld by an appeals court.

[quote]Women have to be protected to a certain degree.

Women have to be protected [italic]from men[/italic] to a certain degree.

R94? FIFY

[quote]R29 Girls and women are being injured, they are losing rankings and titles to men and losing scholarships.

DL really IS an effective place for you to bring these stories, as we’re all so welcoming to fraus here!

Girls’ Volleyball Teams are a big charity most (if not all) of us donate to.

r107 Yes, we gay men at DL think about the effect of trans athletes on women's sports ALL THE TIME. It's basically all we think about or care about. That must be the reason that there is a new thread about it every day or so on DL, right?

Snorrrrrr

One of the few good things about Trump will be watching him dismantle this trans nonsense. Even the little things like banning the phrase "gender identity" from the federal level. And Trump will be invalidating passports for all those men in dresses who got their passport gender switched to F.

I heard a psychiatrist recently claim that many trans people are in fact autistic. That is the thing that makes them go bonkers when they’re challenged. Judging by many of the responses here, that seems plausible.

A lot of people don't know this but men in dresses with no medical degrees are actually experts in gynecology, endocrinology, and psychology. Don't believe it? Go ask them. Lot's of free medical advice.

The players in the article at R105 have the right idea.

The only way to fight Trans-intrusion into female sports, is to REFUSE TO PLAY with them.

Just walk out, or forfeit the game.

It will send a strong message to colleges and universities.

It's over.

R110 Bitch look like Sandra Bullock on crack.

[Quote] Murdoch NY Post syndication links give SEO and clickdollars to people who hate gay men, too.

Pete Repete is back!!!

Female athletes who agree to play against teams with trannies hate themselves and deserve to have some sense knocked into them by big-dicked hairy "women".

They could always just walk off the field and refuse to play against men.

Why should women who have only four years to compete REFUSE TO PLAY, prostate haver? Not everyone can afford or are able to just up and transfer. The whiny men who took scholarships away from real women, and the coaches who supported it, are welcome to make a Prostate League.

I’m now ashamed of my prostate.

r118 really feels he's making a very important point.

Good Lord!

R 118 is making a good point. Women shouldn't have to quit competing just because all the woke virtue signalers think with heterosexual tranvestic men are more important than sports fairness.

The worst part of modern day Datalounge are the incessant trans bait threads from CUNTservative females, Russian bots or Mumsnet refugees.

I would say the worst part of modern DL are the gays who want to suck gurldick and defend these tranny twats.

They either don't know history or they are rewriting it. This what they post online about GAY MEN--------------------->>"What is really disgusting is the ever growing number of gays who have thrown trans people under the bus. [bold] After all WE have done for THEM in achieving their rights! Bunch of heinous backstabbers!![/bold]

[quote] The worst part of modern day Datalounge are the incessant trans bait threads from CUNTservative females, Russian bots or Mumsnet refugees.

The worst part of modern day Datalounge are people who think anyone who disagrees with them must be CUNTservative females, Russian bots or Mumsnet refugees.

MtF trans fucking HATE us. They post online all day about how much they hate "cis - gay faggots".

I have a very hard time believing that anybody at DL who is pro-trans is actually gay themselves.

r126 I have a very hard time believing that someone who makes such a strong statement of fact didn't provide us with numerous examples drawn from reliable (ie not X, FOX, and Truth Social) sources, to back up his statement. That's the way people of intellectual integrity operate.

^^^^^ case in point

Just go to their own mtf forums on reddit if you want numerous examples of them hating us- plenty there from the (lipstick wearing) horses mouths.

An anonymous forum is not a reputable source of anything. A reliable source is someone making a statement under his or her real name, preferable in an interview, where we can see the interviewer and the respondent. I certainly wouldn't take what I read on DL as representing accurate information on someone like Blake Lively or Meghan Markle.

[quote]That's the way people of intellectual integrity operate.

Maybe Datalounge isn't for you.

Lies, stupidity, angst, sadness, depression, worry, fear, more depression and lots of Gay QAnon

This is the DL. I don’t think anyone ever pays $1.99 a month to learn about intellectual integrity here.

MTFs are still men -- that's why they're so obnoxious.

They need to learn that, from a "cis" woman, that kind of behavior wouldn't be considered feminine.

A woman I went to college with told me most of the cis women in her roller derby league quit the sport when it was overrun with MTFs, because the injuries they were getting were much worse

Sounds like a whole lot of made up garbage R134.

This was a good 10-15 years ago btw

She was very apologetic about it

R96 testosterone is not primarily why men are way stronger than women

R138, do tell!

R96 Testosterone is definitely why, at puberty, males develop (on average) longer limbs & greater height, stronger bones, more muscle, greater lung capacity & oxygen consumption, bigger hearts.

All these attributes confer athletic advantages, and don’t disappear with hormone “therapy.” Males' bones, hearts & lungs don’t shrink with hormone therapy for MTF athletes. And except for hemaglobin (Hgb), hormone therapy doesn’t put transwomen within the female range on most of these attributes.

[quote]In transwomen, hormone therapy rapidly reduces Hgb to levels seen in cisgender women. Hormone therapy decreases strength, LBM (lean body mass) and muscle area, yet values remain above that observed in cisgender women, even after 36 months. These findings suggest that strength may be well preserved in transwomen

Trump just declared there are ONLY two genders. He also says there will be NO men in womens sports. Also kicking out transgenders from the military.

Yes, r141 and the average American knows he's correct. We all do.

This issue is pushing everyone to the right.

No, this issue is pushing most people to Common Sense. Democrat Party policy on the issue apparently runs through trans and pharm donors, what else could explain it? It's bad if a president-elect stating that there are two genders is big news.

[quote]This issue is pushing everyone to the right.

There is nothing more regressive and misogynistic than carrying water for the Gender Identity Movement. You deceive yourself believing there is an ounce of progressive thought in having men define what a woman is.

👏👏👏 r145

r145, I think in most cases, people are defining what they themselves believe themselves to be. They are not making decisions for or about other people. Sometimes, that's called self-determination, and yes, that's often considered i a progressive ideal. You (or anyone else for that matter) are unlikely to make those people making this determination, for themselves, happier or more fulfilled by determining what they are allowed to believe themselves to be, for them.

I think, it I'm reading you correctly, you are saying, only a person born with a vagina knows what it is to be a woman. A person who, perhaps has endured a lifetime of misogyny and second-class citizenship, which she has to fight against from childhood onward.

Now, for one second, imagine a person, who, wildly effeminate and desperately unhappy in the skin of the person that society has deemed him to be, makes a different choice for himself. He is also going to endure a lifetime of misogyny and second-class citizenship, and will also have been fighting against that since childhood. That's how I see it from the outside. I can't understand that person's decision, but I also can't understand why that person now has to be the enemy of all women, or at least the women who have taken up this issue as the hill they're going to die on.

[quote]I think in most cases, people are defining what they themselves believe themselves to be. They are not making decisions for or about other people.

Oh, if ONLY it were so!

The rest of your term paper is guileless and introduces issues unrelated to big hairy men demanding society, the government, medical professionals and female athletes among others accept that they are actually and legally female, which on its face is a preposterous notion to everyone not deeply committed to pretending it is reasonable.

And these BIG HAIRY MEN doing all that you say above add up to how many? Billions, millions, thousands, or what is more likely, a few hundred? Because, this is, after all, also a matter of proportion and ratios to total populations. I recognize that actual cannibals exist, but I don't obsess about them, because I know that their numbers are very few in proportion to the entire population.

PS You'll be happy to know I never "transed' a single child or adult, for that matter

Who fucking cares if it's only a few hundred? You would care if your niece lost a scholarship to one of these oafs. Or if you knew a female inmate who was impregnated by one of these people. It's always the fucking TRA m.o to say it never happens...but then when cases are presented to say it doesn't happen that much, and then say "oh who cares? It's no one I know." Someday you will have to answer for why you thought it was a good idea to sterillize and mutilate kids, and why you think it's alright to lock up male sex predators with women.

If it's so few dysphoric men demanding to be legally female why are you so devoted to this sad and ridiculous idea? Since you cannot defend the demands of the trans you think falling back on, "BUT it is so FEW people! What does it matter?" isn't a tacit surrender on your part?

Because hundreds of threads and thousands of posts have been devoted to this topic - which makes it seem as though the people arguing against any sort of human rights for trans people are the obsessed ones. I'm merely presenting counter arguments to the prevailing narrative on these threads, which, according to those who count such things, are started by and contributed to by very very few posters who continually repost in the same threads. Those counter-arguments appear threatening to some, apparently.

Are all people who disagree with you threatening?

[quote]DL really IS an effective place for you to bring these stories, as we’re all so welcoming to fraus here!

Frau doesn’t mean just any female. It’s an archetype.

r153 Not at all. But if I write one post and 10 answers pile on immediately, those seem likely to be the responses of one person, and the vehemence of the responses would seem to indicate that the person(s) writing them seem threatened. .

The vast majority of DL posters avoid all topics of trans interest, because they are very one-sided, but I like to peek my head in periodically to see what the flavor of the minute is going to be.

Human rights? What fucking rights don't trans people have? They have the same rights as anyone, and in fact, more. Who else is allowed to self identify into taking things that aren't theirs? The woman of the year was a man, at least two olympic women's categories were won by men, STEM jobs are taken by men and then written up like women. No other people are afforded such privileges. The emperor is naked and everyone knows it. By the way, I doubt these straight men in dresses would argue for you, not sure why you argue for them.

These MTFs wouldn't piss on a gay man if he was on fire.

Menluvinguy you are a stooge.

This is the argument whenever this comes up:

That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.

t’s just so convenient for trans as a group, isn’t it? That these men discovered their womanhood only after actual women threw themselves into the paths of horses first in order to get these fancy modern rights. So curious, how the same men who would have been banal conservative husbands - maybe cheating on their wives - suddenly found their true feminine selves . And in an era where being female can actually be a boon? How interesting that the ratio of AGPs to HSTSes increased in countries that legalized gay marriage! Oh, what a strange and funny coincidence!

And the female to males are worse. How lucky it is for them that the same conceited bimbos who would have been anorexic a decade before - hysteric before that, and possessed before that - want to be gay men! Now, when being HIV+ is no longer a death sentence. Now, when they can be married legally! When the draft has been dead in America for 50 odd years! It’s almost as if these people have choices that the actual people born into such sexes never got to make. How fucking lucky for them.

Is she Nancy Mace's little sister?

If you have a penis, you're a man. It's just that simple.

If you want to pretend to be a woman, and have the world indulge your fantasy, you need to get that shit cut off. That's the least you can do to "fix" your life, since it's so tragic.

Years ago, back when I lived in St. Pete (and got out a lot more), I met many MTFs. They told me that FL is a great place to transition, although I don't know why. I saw an MTF a couple months ago, a real nut job who was bellowing that the cold temperature in the county office where we were sitting was the "government's fault -- they can't do anything right!" And on and on. I got up from the chair next to him and s-l-o-w-l-y walked away. In fact, I could tell you all kinds of stories about MTFs I've encountered in the 20+ years I've lived down here. And I think they honestly believed they were passing. Pul-eeeze.

I don't think MTF must get their junk cut off. I do think MTF do not belong in women's competitive sports, with or without junk.

I think it’s great that some DL members R155 put values and what is right above winning elections.

Elections come and go there will always be another one most likely