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David Hogg received 'an enormous amount of vitriol' for asking about Dem outreach to young men

DNC candidate and gun control activist David Hogg claimed Tuesday he was attacked for telling Democrats that they needed to reach out more to young men before the election.

Hogg, who announced his candidacy for Democratic National Committee vice chairperson Monday, told MSNBC that he was primarily running out of frustration over Democrats ignoring and even blasting his insistence on reaching out to young men.

"The reason why I’m doing this is, frankly, because we need to build a party that tells people what it needs to hear and not what its consultants are paid just to say whatever people want to hear over and over again where we continue losing," Hogg said on "MSNBC Reports."

He continued, "Throughout the campaign, there were multiple times where I brought up publicly my concerns about young voters, and I was shut down by consultants and messaged by them saying, ‘You don’t know what you are talking about. This is not an issue. This is dumb of you to say,’ and a whole lot of other things that I can’t tell you on TV."

Hogg remarked that he heard the same criticism even while working for the Harris campaign.

"At the DNC, I raised the concern about what are we going to do about young men, and I heard back from people an enormous amount of vitriol," Hogg said. "Why would I ask that question? Why would we focus on that? I think that one thing we need to change in the party is that empathy is not a zero-sum game. We can care about young men and care about young women."

He added, "We have to make sure that we’re building a party not just incorporates those that are critical but make sure that we listen to people who are bringing up things that we may not want to hear in the first place. My reason for doing this is if I’m not given a seat at the table, or if I’m not let in the room, I will break down the door."

Hogg acknowledged that he’s an "underdog" in the race for leadership in his party, but emphasized that he will not let up on criticizing Democrats if it will lead to change.

"I am not going to contort myself or try to change my opinions or my views in order to get other people’s votes. I’m here to make sure I’m promoting what I believe in, which is we need to build a party that is inclusive and representative of young people along with people of all ages," Hogg said.

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President-elect Trump gained support among male voters under 30 by 14 points during the 2024 election with men overall backing Trump by 10 points.

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by Anonymousreply 47December 19, 2024 11:33 AM

David is exactly right!

Good for him, saying this out loud.

The exact same thing happened here on Datalounge during the election.

For some reason, many Democrats just don't want to hear the truth about certain candidates and their political strategy.

You're shouted down, called names, and told to shut the fuck up.

Then when the candidate loses, they're gnashing their teeth, weeping, and saying "I don't know what went wrong."

YOUR FAILURE TO LISTEN.

That's what the fuck went wrong. You thinking you are the smartest person in the room, and not taking any advice or listening to a dissenting opinion. That's what the fuck went wrong.

But those people never learn.

by Anonymousreply 1December 18, 2024 11:59 PM

Wow. Thats very frustrating. If one was more neurotic one might be tempted to believe that both sides’ power players work behind the scenes to ensure whatever candidate the secret society has elected becomes so.

by Anonymousreply 2December 19, 2024 12:00 AM

Still waiting to see David’s hogg.

by Anonymousreply 3December 19, 2024 12:02 AM

We all are, R3. We all are...

by Anonymousreply 4December 19, 2024 12:09 AM

r2 Actually...

You know what, never mind.

by Anonymousreply 5December 19, 2024 12:29 AM

Democrats running on just abortion was such a bad idea, unfortunately it only affects a small minority and it doesn't resonate as much with the entire populace, how many abortions have you had?

by Anonymousreply 6December 19, 2024 12:53 AM

Yes, because a skinny antigun know it all is exactly the way to pull Jake Paul fans over.

by Anonymousreply 7December 19, 2024 12:55 AM

Women are the only important people to us. And we won't change a thing in the future.

by Anonymousreply 8December 19, 2024 1:37 AM

Black trans women r8

by Anonymousreply 9December 19, 2024 1:45 AM

I don't mind David Hogg but as mentioned above, he has blind spot if doesn't realise the irony of a liberal and articulate white Harvard grad with a penis and a very impressive virtual roledex, saying he needs to break down doors to be heard. Also, he doesn't represent the young men who need to be invited in.

by Anonymousreply 10December 19, 2024 1:48 AM

The bros, brahs and brosephs are going to get a rude awakening when they are drafted for war. No more podcasts and Doordash.

by Anonymousreply 11December 19, 2024 1:49 AM

The beard stubble needs to return.

by Anonymousreply 12December 19, 2024 2:09 AM

[quote] Yes, because a skinny antigun know it all is exactly the way to pull Jake Paul fans over.

He wasn't saying that HE needed to be the messenger, asshole.

He said that DEMOCRATS needed to reach out to young men.

It wasn't his job to do it. It was KAMALA's job, and the job of the Democratic Party. Because he saw that nobody was doing it.

PAY ATTENTION, FUCKHEADS!

by Anonymousreply 13December 19, 2024 2:15 AM

Yes, gun nuts are a lost cause, but are all young men gun nuts? That is the question. Is there anything that might appeal to them short of being an idiot gun nut or bigot or dumb fuck grifter? I suspect we can find something, and should not give up in advance as some Democrats are determined to do.

by Anonymousreply 14December 19, 2024 2:27 AM

This is again, the problem with too many women being given leadership positions in the Democratic Party. They do not want to be told they need men. They only want to transition men, not reach out to them.

by Anonymousreply 15December 19, 2024 2:29 AM

[quote] This is again, the problem with too many women being given leadership positions in the Democratic Party. They do not want to be told they need men. They only want to transition men, not reach out to them.

I agree, except with your last point.

They just want to boss men around. They want to tell men what to do, and not the other way around.

Which makes them the worst type of leader.

by Anonymousreply 16December 19, 2024 2:38 AM

R7 Your condensation will ensure the Nazism, I mean Trumpism spreads fast.

by Anonymousreply 17December 19, 2024 5:48 AM

[quote]Still waiting to see David’s hogg.

Don't hold your breath especially if he wants to be considered a serious Democratic Party representative.

(But it would be kind of fun, wouldn't it?)

by Anonymousreply 18December 19, 2024 5:56 AM

I remember hearing him say that and had no problem so I don’t get why all the kickback. ALL I KNOW IS THAT YOUNG MAN IS ADORABLE!!!

by Anonymousreply 19December 19, 2024 6:01 AM

I’m terribly late to this party but did we decide that David Hogg is gay? I just can’t say from here but then I’ve never had very good gaydar.

by Anonymousreply 20December 19, 2024 6:05 AM

[quote][R7] Your condensation will ensure the Nazism, I mean Trumpism spreads fast

R17 Trying to picture how that would work … would it be like evaporation, the way Democrats' support seems to be evaporating among young people and certain minority communities … ?

by Anonymousreply 21December 19, 2024 6:14 AM

He's not saying anything new, but he did have a front row seat. Many articles have talked about how the Dems lost men and may continue to. Some of it may be inflated because there was a woman Dem candidate, but there's still an underlying issue and the losses would still exist, if to a lesser degree.

by Anonymousreply 22December 19, 2024 6:15 AM

Would love to see David Hogg receiving an enormo…

by Anonymousreply 23December 19, 2024 6:18 AM

Yep. Trump went on the bro podcasts and reached out to the incel voters. Harris went on some called Call Her Daddy.

by Anonymousreply 24December 19, 2024 6:23 AM

He’s absolutely correct. It’s like Democrats are too good to bother with the votes of young men. That’s worked out well.

by Anonymousreply 25December 19, 2024 6:49 AM

[quote] R22 Some of it may be inflated because there was a woman Dem candidate

This stupid argument needs to die. A socialist Jewish woman just swept the Mexican election. The UK has had three female PMs and they've all been Tories. Globally, electoral breakthrough for women almost always start on the right, occasionally on the left, and almost never on the centre to centre left - the side that LOVES infantilizing voters and insisting they are too sexist for a female leader.

Well it turns out, when you tell the voters exactly what they want to hear, they don't care what you are. A purebreed Japanese man won three presidential elections in Peru, FFS. His base of support? Peruvian white nationalists.

by Anonymousreply 26December 19, 2024 7:18 AM

There was this narrative that black women carry the Democrats on their backs. They’re like 7% of the US population and running with that narrative and bringing out Cardi and Beyonce and Meg The Stallion wasn’t going broaden that 7%.

by Anonymousreply 27December 19, 2024 7:21 AM

R27 The issue with constantly dismissing minorty groups as insignificant is that they eventually add up.

by Anonymousreply 28December 19, 2024 7:23 AM

Minority groups aren’t adding up when the largest “minority” Hispanics is trending towards Republicans.

Also I saw the Democratic House leadership responding to the budget bill. All three looked sorely in need of a blood transfusion. Jeffries is a good politician but completely lacking in charisma. .Couldn’t at least one of his lieutenants look like they could play hard ball or enjoy a juicy steak?

by Anonymousreply 29December 19, 2024 7:32 AM

Democrats need to dumb it all down. Republicans win on 100% lies and propagabda, I refer you to the "How stupid are people" thread for why.

by Anonymousreply 30December 19, 2024 7:36 AM

R29 Well they added up to the 7 million votes you didn't get from 2020, and they certainly added up to the margins in the 7 swing states you didn't win.

by Anonymousreply 31December 19, 2024 7:45 AM

[R29] Well they added up to the 7 million votes you didn't get from 2020, and they certainly added up to the margins in the 7 swing states you didn't win. But please, keep telling them you don't their votes.

by Anonymousreply 32December 19, 2024 7:46 AM

Fuck "Gen Z young men."

Nobody ever pandered to our generation, and yet somehow, we managed to push Obama over the '08 limit. And we've managed to stay pro-Democrat into our forties.

I would tell both Gen Z men and women to go ahead and go fuck themselves but the Republican party will do a great job doing just that for them!

by Anonymousreply 33December 19, 2024 7:49 AM

[quote] R33 we've managed to stay pro-Democrat into our forties

That's not the flex you think it is, grandpa.

by Anonymousreply 34December 19, 2024 7:51 AM

R34, unfortunately at 41, I'm not the age of grandpas that your trash family is used to.

by Anonymousreply 35December 19, 2024 7:52 AM

R35 Well too bad because your only chance of ever winning over enough allies to stop losing is birthing them yourself, and even then your have to count on that insufferable attitude to not turn your own spawns against you.

by Anonymousreply 36December 19, 2024 8:01 AM

R36, wtf? Go back to Reddit, bitch.

by Anonymousreply 37December 19, 2024 8:03 AM

Grandpa's heard of Reddit, color me impressed.

by Anonymousreply 38December 19, 2024 8:10 AM

R38: Yeah sweetie-pie, Grandpa invented Reddit.

What has your generation invented beyond virginity being typical after 25? 😂

by Anonymousreply 39December 19, 2024 8:13 AM

Damn, so in additon to flexing party loyalty, Millennials are also partial to flexing the business successes of their contemporaries as if they're their personal accomplishments. Ok so you're close in age to the guy who created poor man's Baidu Tieba. Impressive stuff. And?

by Anonymousreply 40December 19, 2024 8:18 AM

R40, brevity is your friend.

by Anonymousreply 41December 19, 2024 8:20 AM

R6, no abortions, but plenty of butt babies!

by Anonymousreply 42December 19, 2024 8:27 AM

That's ok R41, typing is hardly effortful for those of us who grew up around computers.

by Anonymousreply 43December 19, 2024 8:34 AM

R43, and that's just it! Your generation [italic]didn't[italic] grow up around computers. They grew up with iPads and cell phones. No wonder you all are even worse than elderly people when it comes to typing and needing IT help for very simple thing.

by Anonymousreply 44December 19, 2024 8:42 AM

And Obama said he tried to warn the Dems how they needed to,listen to people about how the trans issue was impacting the dems Harris folks . He said they refused to,listen.

This is a party that is far far from fixing the leaks that sunk them.

And liberal idiots will go on talking about how we almost won, How the shut results 3-0 were not that bad.

by Anonymousreply 45December 19, 2024 9:13 AM

BOSS HOGG!

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by Anonymousreply 46December 19, 2024 9:31 AM

I hope that David wins the DNC Vice-Chair position.

But somehow, I think that articles like this will hurt his chances.

People are going to label him as a "troublemaker," and maybe not vote for him.

by Anonymousreply 47December 19, 2024 11:33 AM
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