Why conservatives condemn Luigi Mangione and celebrate Daniel Penny

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Because Daniel Penny killed a black man.

That's why MAGATS love him.

They love when black people get murdered by white vigilantes.

Luigi killed a rich white guy.

The media really hates that, and so does corporate America.

That's why Luigi became public enemy #1.

R2 nailed it. And that's why the right loves Penny.

Girls! Girls!

You're both fucked in the head assholes.

Two Eye-talian heroes!

A white man killing a black man.

A person of color killing a white man.

[quote]A person of color killing a white man.

If you're somehow posting here from 1858, sure.

A different perspective...

Penny stepped in to stop a man who was threatening fellow passengers on the subway. Anyone who takes public transportation would know what I mean. However, he should have let go once the guy was incapacitated.

Luigi stalked, ambushed, and shot a man in the back

Trump, Vance, and Musk are the types of rich assholes Luigi would target.

OP you really don't sound very smart.

One was pre-meditated murder, the other was not. If you don’t see the difference between the two, you’re either deliberately being obtuse or you’re just an idiot

R11, agreed, this is why I don't really sympathize with Luigi. Didn't he also not even use United Healthcare? Daniel Penny stepped in when Jordan was demonstrating a clear threat to the other passengers. The other passengers even helped Daniel restrain him. He was acting erratic and saying that someone was going to die today. That's a very different scenario from the one Luigi was in. This had nothing to do with race. Yes, MAGA and the squad types are making this about race, but they are idiots.

Premeditation, not to mention that the guy that was killed was threatening to kill people.

That said, I like Luigi. Stop with the divisive bs, I am surprisngly happy how (mostly) apolitical this thing has become. Plenty of people from both sides liking Luigi.

Minus social media, most people do not support Luigi, 60% disapprove of his actions (as they should). Social media is just portraying a false picture. There is a generational divide but that isn't surprising.

because conservatives have shitty taste in everything

Happy to celebrate both equally

R8 Thank you

kill poor people = good

kill rich people = bad

[quote]The killing of Jordan Neely, by contrast, represents a defense of the moral order in the conservative mind. By acting belligerently and threatening passengers on the train, Neely had become a force of chaos and disruption. If the state wasn’t going to intervene to protect the moral order against someone like Penny, then citizens would eventually be forced to act.

why I hate all conservatives. it is the SCOPE of these events that matters. the "disorder" neely presents can't compare with the malfeasance and cruel greed that Thompson does - though well within the law on paper.

[quote]“conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

wonderful quote

In Seattle recently, a Jordan Neely type stabbed a bus driver to death. Please stop treating Jordan Neely like some harmless, wee innocent little baby.

Also, for some perspective on Brian Thompson:

Washington Post on Brian Thompson as a well liked, hard working man who tried to provide better service to customers while avoiding the public limelight.

He helped keep thousands of hospitals and healthcare providers open during the pandemic by getting then emergency relief from the federal government. That helped him get his position as CEO of UnitedHealth.

Congress set aside billions of dollars in emergency payments for health care organizations that were suddenly struggling to meet payroll amid the national shutdown in March 2020. But federal officials could not find a partner that could get the money to organizations that desperately needed it. Thompson told federal officials that his massive company’s banking arm could rush emergency funds to hospitals and other providers — and said it could be done within a week.

“In the face of so many people saying this can’t be done, honestly Brian was the guy who made it happen,” said Stephen Parente, a finance professor at the University of Minnesota and former Trump administration health official who worked with Thompson during that time.

More than $135 billion would eventually be distributed through the UnitedHealth-backed fund, which was credited with keeping thousands of hospitals and other health-care providers afloat during the pandemic.

One year after engineering the payments, Thompson would be elevated to the top job at UnitedHealthcare — the nation’s largest health insurer, which provides coverage to about 50 million Americans. He would make “consumerism” his focus, colleagues have said, often invoking the need for the sprawling insurer to focus on individual patients.

And also for that, he was killed by Luigi.

I think it’s both. They prefer to see a “dangerous Black” shot to a white success story, but there’s also the fact that Penny stepped up and defended others whereas Luigi shot someone because he was mad.

Let me be frank. This is why we lost in November, or at least part of it. Why? Turn OP’s question on its head. Why do we celebrate Luigi but condemn Penny?

Many of us have been trapped on train cars with nuts and would have been relieved to have someone step in and incapacitate the nut. But because Penny is white and the nut was black, it’s a “racist hate crime.”

Yet those same people crying racism are happy to see someone shot down in cold blood because healthcare unfairness.

Let me be clear, I think our healthcare policy is scandalous. But if you want to see why mainstream America is turning its back on liberalism, a lot of it is right here in this thread. If you care to look.

I love them both so much ❤️

R22 you nailed it. I'm seeing so many influencers call the Neely death a tragedy and they always have to state he was a black man. Why? What does the perpetrator's race have to do with anything? Nothing. There is 0 evidence whatsoever that he was targeted because of his race. If Neely was white, nobody would care that he was killed, there wouldn't be any empty think pieces on how his death was a "tragedy". Except the part of the left that always sympathizes with the aggressor instead of the victim.

R22, also, Julia Salazar has called Neely's death a lynching. WTF is wrong with these people? It's like they like losing.

R24, I think he did in fact die in part because he’s black. We have radicalized class in America. The fact that poor blacks let their adult children run around the subway menacing people isn’t a black thing. It’s a poverty thing.

So I think it is indeed a tragedy. People who knew him better said he was all bark and no bite. But…how in the hell would the people trapped in that car with him know that?

Old school liberalism would not make the dead nut a saint. Or Neely a monster. We would say — if we weee rising black folks out of poverty and oroviding decent mental healthcare, this likely never would have happened.

But we have to be carbon copy MAGAs on this.

^^^ racialized, not radicalized.

R24 If he was white, he would be alive. This story is unique. I’d be interested if there were related stories of mentally ill white people being killed by the public.

The OP may not understand the differences but I bet the voters of America do.

R26, I don't think that's true. He had a big criminal record.

[quote] Jordan Neely had a long criminal record, including: 42 arrests, petty larceny, jumping subway turnstiles, theft, and three unprovoked assaults on women in the subway between 2019 and 2021

R28, it’s possible you’re right. I posited that in another Penny thread — Penny may have seen blackness as heightened danger.

But for another reason too. Because if he were white, there’s a greater chance his parents or siblings would have intervened and either got him care or institutionalized him.

[quote] If he was white, he would be alive

The fact is this homeless person was threatening to kill others and the other passengers indicated they felt unsafe and some of them even joined Penny in restraining him. I don't think anyone cared that he was black. It was the fact that he was posing a violent threat to others.

Leftist America:

Black = good

Blond = bad

Gimme money so we can right racism and not audit me…audits are racist

Black passengers on the train were helping Penny restrain Neely. This wasn't a race issue.

R26, he was bark AND bite.

R22, u you oi didnt read the article.

[quote]If Neely was white, nobody would care that he was killed, there wouldn't be any empty think pieces on how his death

Not one shred of evidence of that. Neely was killed because he was perceived as dangerous, but the judgement of that danger fell entirely in a young civilian’s hands. Let’s continue your fatuous experiment. Neely Is now white, and penny is black. No fucking way would he have gotten off Scot free like he did. Got it?

[quote]think he did in fact die in part because he’s black. We have radicalized class in America

Penny is also at the end of a list of young creeps who think rising up and killing others they deem “dangerous” only by their own fiat. Mangione is not

Penny was an amateur trying to help. If there had been trained and armed police on the subway the mentally ill attackers would never be seriously hurt.

OK never might be a stretch

r2 ended the thread

Republicans don't consider crimes committed by businessmen to be crimes.

Crimes are only street crimes.

Pickpocketing or shoplifting is a crime to them, but a manager stealing the tips of all his employees is just business.

Breaking into a man's car and stealing his stereo is a crime to them, but Trump refusing to pay his contractors is just business, not theft of services.

[quote]Republicans don't consider crimes committed by businessmen to be crimes.

indeed, even citing white collar crime to them makes them deeply uncomfortable

[quote]Crimes are only street crimes.

that they are largely unaffected by

[quote]Pickpocketing or shoplifting is a crime to them, but a manager stealing the tips of all his employees is just business.

my sister works like that, "if I did it it's allowed"

[quote]Breaking into a man's car and stealing his stereo is a crime to them, but Trump refusing to pay his contractors is just business, not theft of services.

that conservatives would oddly back this imbecile suddenly makes more sense now

“conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

That's why they don't really consider Trump to be a criminal. His crimes are all fraud and money laundering, which they don't consider crimes, no matter who winds up suffering as a result.

As long as those doing the suffering are not them, R44.

IF Trump didn't pay his contractors, it's okay with the Trumpsters, as long as they are not one of the contractors Trump didn't pay.

And who knows, Americans are so fucking stupid that if Trump fucked them over, they'd consider it an honor to be fucked over by such a great and wonderful human being.

[quote]The fact is this homeless person was threatening to kill others and the other passengers indicated they felt unsafe

the homeless part is what? he's more dangerous? less worthy of life? again, the damage he may have wrought in his unfortunate existence pales in comparison to venal chads like thompson

If the blond guy hadn't killed him, could the homeless guy potentially have killed more people on the subway train than the CEO's ruthless DENY/DEFUND/DEPOSE policies did?

Let's do some math.

Those who are so pro killing strangers walking the streets , deemed to be bad or threats, should be real careful the next gay male STD related outbreak or epidemic.

Then butch it up fag^

[quote]The fact is this homeless person was threatening to kill others

then kill him, right?

Didn't Orange Jesus threaten to kill Liz Cheney?

Yes, r50, although he was still alive when authorities showed up. He had a history of attacking women and was in and out of jail.

A history of attacking women? OMG!

so vigilante style. . . . .at the hands of private citizens. . . . . sort of like how Brian thompson was killed. . . . .

R50, no, Penny went too far, but at the same time, if someone is threating to kill people and acting erratically, you absolutely should strike first. It's an act of self-defense. None of this would have been a problem of American public transit wasn't a complete joke and if it was as safe as transit in Europe and Asia.

American public transit doesn't exist outside of New York City and transit in NYC is less orderly than in other countries because they spend money on social services and health care while we spend it on PPP fraud and obsolete military boondoggles.

No, most of the American budget goes to healthcare plus social security, medicare and medicaid. It does not go to the military. And we also outsource a lot of jobs that should be done internally to non-profit contractors.

They also celebrated Kyle Rittenhouse, which is even more confounding since he actively sought out a situation where he could kill with impunity.

[quote]American public transit doesn't exist outside of New York City

?

OP = Helen Keller.

"American public transit doesn't exist outside of New York City."

Spoken like your typical, narrow minded, bigoted, know-it-all yet highly "sophisticated" Manhattanite.

Oh for god's sake, Where in America do the majority of the citizens of a given area commute to work by public transit besides New York

[quote]you absolutely should strike first

Maybe in shitlike floriduh, but I sure as fuck don’t. And it’s the subway. Just leave the car

[quote]American public transit doesn't exist outside of New York City and transit in NYC is less orderly than in other countries

Oh, what you REALLY mean is that outside of NYC, Poor people ride public transit and who the fuck cares about their sorry asses. Got it

R58, again, even if a minor, it’s okay to kill with impunity if it is poor or disadvantaged people. You’re doing society a favor. If you kill a rich person it is a heinous crime

R62, go eat shit. We know what you mean and you mean, “it shouldn’t matter if a crazy homeless man is killed, no matter the scenario or killer

Both men are in a better place. And the world is a better place without them.

But that's not what you said, asshole @R62. You said, and I make a verbatim quote: American public transit doesn't exist outside of New York City."

What you said @R56 and R62 are two completely different things. And what you said @R56 was stupid and ignorant. Public transit exists in just about every city over 250,000 people, even in the car-centric USA.

Perhaps if you had given it a moment's thought instead of spewing out your verbal diarrhea @R56 and instead said what you did @R62, we wouldn't be jumping on your shit.

Mean what you say and say what you mean, douchebro R62.

I hope none of the Queens of WEHO who were terrified when 4 trucks with signs rode thru their neighborhood a few weeks ago lare blasé about safety on mass trans you don’t use.

[quote]Public transit exists in just about every city over 250,000 people, even in the car-centric USA

And by and large is utilized by the poor and marginalized - people r62 clearly couldn’t give a fuck about

I love it when DL denizens are calling each cunts over public transport.

Never change.

I ride it. You probably haven’t since you rode the short bus

[quote]In Seattle recently, a [bold]Jordan Neely type[/bold] stabbed a bus driver to death. Please stop treating Jordan Neely like some harmless, wee innocent little baby.

Your Klan hood is showing, dear.

Penny looks like Rand Paul Jr.

he likely is

[quote]In Seattle recently, a Jordan Neely type stabbed a bus driver to death.

god DAMN the US has a bunch of fucking cutn racists in it

R44, there’s also the rape stuff, but I imagine many people don’t consider that a crime either.

apparently they don't

Luigi shot a man in the BACK in cold blood.

That is not the same story for Penny or even Rittenhouse.

You cannot celebrate a cold blooded murder and then say Daniel Penny and Rittenhouse are Nazi assholes.

I am certainly and will never be conservative but I am no longer a liberal at this point. Is there a non-binary identity for politics today?

Sadly, conservatives win again and this is why we have another 4 years of fucking Trump.

The liberal logic has collapsed.

Self-defense vs Cold Blooded Murder. Even Rittenhouse was self-defense.

Two black man HELPED Penny. No charges were brought against them.

I celebrate Daniel Penny AND Luigi Mangione both r79

Will R81 be praising the patriot riders or up in arms and demanding extra police if the haters start riding the streets taking shots at gay men they think a risk to god and humanity?

[quote]You cannot celebrate a cold blooded murder and then say Daniel Penny and Rittenhouse are Nazi assholes.

yes, you can and we are.

[quote]Self-defense vs Cold Blooded Murder.

both as defined by you personally? go fuck yourself

I love the smell of self-proclaimed patriotic, Christian, God-fearing, peace-loving Americans twisting themselves into all sorts of pretzel shapes as they try to rationalize their bloodlust, vengeance and love of violence.

It's almost as if they don't believe their own bullshit and hype.

fuck off, you'd eat daniel penny's shit because he kills poor people

I’d rim Daniel Penny’s sweet sweet hole for hours because he is hero who defended people r85

FIFY

Blocked. Happy when threads like this occur where the scum can be eliminated from the feed

[quote] both as defined by you personally? go fuck yourself

I'm not R80 but your post is ridiculous. R80 was going by the law. Which says that what Luigi did was murder AND terrorism.

R80, I'm still a Democrat but I am more center-left about things whereas I was way more liberal during the Obama years. The years since 2016 show us how the Democratic Party acts when it's dominated by the progressive wing of the party. No thanks!

Center-left, liberal? What???

[quote] Which says that what Luigi did was murder AND terrorism

Fatuous

It's easy. Luigi killed one of their own. Penny killed someone they considered a lowlife, a parasite, a drag on society (aka their tax dollars).

Poor limp r87

What are you doing on Datalounge if you cannot vigorously defend your position?

Lay your head on my breast…..shhhh shhhh

"The years since 2016 show us how the Democratic Party acts when it's dominated by the progressive wing of the party."

But not a single comment from you about how the Republican Party acts when it's dominated by right-wing Christo fascists.

Interesting.

R93, I have posted about that many times actually, Not on this thread but on others. We all already know that. Most of us on this forum vote Dem. Yes, the Republican party is by far the bigger threat. But that doesn't mean progressives aren't one The more they dominate our party, the more we lose. I voted for Kamala and liked her more than Biden but most swing voters felt she was too liberal. That's a problem.

Progressives dominate nothing. Stop the fox news claptrap

And at this point in history, ANYTHING that trump supports one should be deeply suspicious of. And ANYTHING trump is against one should be well-inclined towards

[quote] Progressives dominate nothing. Stop the fox news claptrap

So progressives don't dominate academia?

I have nothing of value to say here except for the fact that I'd much rather eat Luigi's ass than I would Daniel's.

[quote]So progressives don't dominate academia?

since when the fuck is academia a branch of the fucking government, asshole?

"So progressives don't dominate academia?"

They may dominate in some departments in some schools.

But obviously, religious watchers of Faux News would never know that distinction, because they're all blithering idiots, like R97.

[quote] since when the fuck is academia a branch of the fucking government, asshole?

We weren't strictly talking about government. Stop trolling.

yes we were

Progressives absolutely dominated the Biden Administration. They form the biggest part of "the groups" that Dems consult with. And it was Elizabeth Warren staffers who filled Biden's administration.

yet the supreme court was not dominated, nor was congress per se

R104, yeah, they definitely don't dominate congress or the supreme court. But the problem here is that Biden did try to appease the progressive wing of the party and it only hurt him and Kamala in the long run. Kamala was perceived as too liberal by the majority of swing voters.

Kamala was perceived as too liberal by the majority of swing voters who refused to believe a black woman would make a better president than a convicted felon, narcissistic, bloviating manchild with the emotional maturity of a 12 year old tween girl.

R106, I don't disagree with you. But we on DL don't constitute the majority of Americans and that is how they feel.

[quote]Kamala was perceived as too liberal by the majority of swing voters

Not by any doing of her or biden’s doing. It was the 24/7 lie machine that the GOP spewed forth. No democratic candidates ran on trans issues, yet that was the ONLY thing the opposition spoke of

R108. a lot of the rancor was over Kamala's previous stances in the 2020 run. Frankly, she didn't have enough time to break away from the Biden administration and stand on her own two feet. She did far better than anyone else could in less than 100 days. But those past stanced did her.

Those past stanced did her?

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible . . .

The Trump ads for this made a huge impact on the swing vote.

I hate that. Lies and hate. Lies and hate

I celebrate them both. A cold blooded murder? And how would you define Brian's murders? Computer and quota driven? So that makes them warm and fuzzy?

Instead of handing out denials Brian's employees should have been handing out lethal doses of morphine.

Morphine costs money r114

Better to let United Healthcare insureds die in agony

Kamala lost because a lot of the Democrats who came out for Biden did not come out for her. We don't know why yet. Or at least I haven't seen an explanation as to why. I'm sure it's a mix. Some didn't because they thought of her as too liberal. I'm sure a lot didn't because they thought of her and the Biden administration as too close to Israel and the slaughter of Gazans. Almost nothing fits into this dumb DL construct of "these kids today"

????

This is such a foolish argument, debate, analysis. Maybe OP, because Daniel Penny didn’t wake up and decide to pre-meditate a murder on a NYC subway. The fact that he is a white Marine just lionized him amongst the brain dead right. There is a lot of brain dead on the left too, hence the OP and this stupid ass thread that I have now allowed to achieve 118 comments.

[quote] I'm sure a lot didn't because they thought of her and the Biden administration as too close to Israel and the slaughter of Gazan

It was mainly Muslims who did this. And maybe some college students. Nobody else was motivated by Gaza enough to stay at home.

[quote] I'm sure a lot didn't because they thought of her and the Biden administration as too close to Israel and the slaughter of Gazan

It was mainly Muslims who did this. And maybe some college students. Nobody else was motivated by Gaza enough to stay at home.

Young voters made the difference for Biden in states like Georgia and Arizona in 2020. It's entirely possible the Muslim vote cost her Michigan. Don't be so dismissive.

Michigan, sure, but not other states. And I hope those Muslims in Michigan are happy with themselves now.

Muslims have no right of being in any way offended or threatened with any action they may have to make to protect their rights or rights in any way that makes any of them

makes any of them...what?

[quote]Lucille Bluth's eyeballs

What is the raisin equivalent of an eyeball?