Does this map make anyone else depressed?

Is that red coastal bit of Southern California Orange County?

oh please, you can go anywhere you want and if anyone complains, you tell them to fuck right off.

Don't play the oppressed victim. And anyway even most Republicans don't care if you're gay - it's only the Christian types so just avoid them.

What's interesting to me are the blue swaths in Utah, Western Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, and the Miami Area.

I'm guessing that's Salt Lake City that's blue, which is surprising to me. There's also a big patch of blue in Eastern Utah. I wonder what that's all about?

And then there's that big patch of blue in Western Alaska. That looks like the Nome area, which is mainly Native Alaskans.

Also, Jackson Wyoming. Good for them.

If i'm not mistaken, it also looks like far Northeastern Minnesota. Is that the Duluth area?

Only one state went entirely blue in every county: Hawaii.

It should only make you depress if you don’t understand how the population is spread through out this country. And yes we have an electoral problem but it’s exacerbated by the mere fact that most of the country lives in small concentrated areas compared to the total area of the country at large.

The electoral college needs to be abolished. Even though I think a demagogue like Trump would also fair well in a popular vote, ultimately it affects how the democrats can campaign and its complete fucking bias. The Democrats cannot maximize potential. It’s bullshit. It should be one person = one vote. The democrats can never sell a populist message because so much of the base is coastal California and the northeast. While much of the Republican base is actually spread evenly area wise. It’s already bad enough Iowa gets two senators.

Hawaii, everyone!

Why would you feel depressed?

Land cannot vote...yet.

[quote] I'm guessing that's Salt Lake City that's blue, which is surprising to me. There's also a big patch of blue in Eastern Utah. I wonder what that's all about?

I looked it up, and it's Grand County, Utah.

Moab is the largest city.

I think some factors for voting blue might be:

Grand County has the lowest percentage of members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) among all Utah counties. About 26% of Grand County residents identify as Latter-day Saints, significantly lower than the 62% of Utah as a whole.

The highest vote share any Republican has received in the county in the last nine elections was 51.1% (by George W. Bush in 2004); Joe Biden's 53.9% was the highest vote share for any nominee of either party since 1988, as well as the highest for a Democrat in the county since 1936. In 2024, Kamala Harris became the first Democratic presidential nominee to win Grand County despite losing the presidential election since 1900.

Grand County is one of only thirteen counties to have voted for Obama in 2008, Romney in 2012, Trump in 2016, and Biden in 2020.

Moab has a significant environmentalist population due to nearby Arches National Park and Canyonlands National Park.

Most of New England is blue with the exception of Maine.

[quote] Land cannot vote

The standard US map presents a distortion in the election results. In the pic below, we show at top a standard map from the 2016 presidential election, the last time Trump won. The second map below that, shows the adjustment for population density. For example, red state Wyoming has just under 600,000 people in the entire state, yet it represents a big red blotch on the standard map. (Almost) nobody lives in the western middle of the country, and that land painted red also distorts the map.

The country is close to 50/50, and the standard map at OP is often used to distort that fact.

[quote]What's interesting to me are the blue swaths in Utah, Western Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, and the Miami Area.

The blue counties in deep south states are either large urban counties or reliably Democratic rural majority-Black counties, like those in the Delta region of Mississippi.

We're an interracial gay couple who have road tripped to small towns in 41 states in the last decade. Without exception, everyone we've met has been great.

[quote]I think a demagogue like Trump would also fair well in a popular vote

R5, the word you should have used is "fare." Please make a note of it.

R11 it looks like those countries in Western Mississippi are all along the MS river.

They look like small town areas, and they're heavily populated by AA people, which could explain why they all voted blue.

Unfortunately, they're not numerous enough to overcome the white vote in that state.

All of the areas in green indicate a majority of black people.

Redder areas indicate a majority of white people.

They're not numerous because the whites push them out.

What is more shocking to me is Tampa, St. Pete, and Jacksonville FL going red. That makes no sense.

Most of those areas are low population. And that is an older map of the 2024 election results. Trumps popular vote is just under 50% , I think 49.8% and Harris is at 48.5%

R15:

[quote] TAMPA, Fla. - With almost all votes counted, former President Donald Trump soundly defeated Vice President Kamala Harris in Florida – and that includes wins in every Tampa Bay area county.

[quote] Statewide, Trump received about 56 percent of the vote compared to 43 percent for Harris.

[quote] Harris only carried six of Florida's 67 counties: Alachua, Broward, Gadsden, Leon, Orange and Palm Beach.

It seems like Miami is the only non-MAGA area of Florida.

Gee, OP. Maybe you should move to one of those underpopulated red squares. But I fear it won't help you with your loneliness.

r17, to be even more precise, Miami and Miami-Dade County is a definitely a Latino MAGA stronghold, if you look closely at OP's map. Broward County (Fort Lauderdale) and West Palm Beach County are the remaining majority Democratic counties in South Florida.

I can go anywhere I want in the United States. I don't need to be sheltered by a community to feel safe.

Boo hoo

If I didn’t move among people who are different to me I would limit myself severely.

Stop OP, no on lives in most of the red area and no one sane would really want to visit there anyway.

Plus, the map isn't representative of the real breakdown. Most of the bright red counties are actually reddish-purple, with a mix of people living and voting in them. Similarly, there are many parts of New England that are purpley-blue, due to Trump supporters there.

There are very few counties or spots that are nearly pure blue, with perhaps Washington DC, Middlesex County in MA, parts of Vermont and Washington state being the exceptions. Same for the red areas.

This is largely where the money and IQ points are. Land doesn’t vote, people do. I know it’s hard for half of the country to understand.

If you were to overlay a map of county GDPs over the red/blue one, you'll notice that many of the blue areas - though not expansive in land area - are the country's economic hubs and places that jobs are concentrated in. The U.S. is a huge country, but over 80% of the population resides in urban metropolitan areas.

Most Americans of any stripe are friendly.

I think it’s best to be in a blue bubble in a red state - micro not macro, community over country. I live in blue Broward County in south Florida.

The map of red vs blue has been very consistent over the last 15 years. The current difference in the popular vote results between Trump and Harris is at 1.3%. About 10% of the voters who voted Democrat in 2020 didn't show up to vote in 2024. The Trump numbers, while they went up a bit in some demographics, dropped in others.

Yes, OP: Kamala, Robert De Niro, Sunny Hostin, Rachel Maddow, Rosie O'Donnell . . .

I lived in one of the blue counties for four years (Shelby, in TN). Move there now and see how friendly it is.

I think the key is hat Tampa, St. Pete, and Jax do not have urban economies, despite being technically cities. They are not productive but extractive economies, meaning people move there to lose money and die, not to live like in most big cities.

And I say that as a former resident of Tampa

Indeed I remember when bus drivers there made $11 an hour and the Hillsborough County Commission voted to located an elementary school on a SuperFund toxic waste site.

But they had a 24 hour hotline for building code change approvals.

NJ looks like it's bearly holding on.

Bob Martinez was mayor

Cows don’t vote

OP that map shows why I choose to live in Hawaii. It's the most isolated chain of islands in the world and it has been solid blue since it became a state in 1959. Good track record. Hawaiian residents are more concerned with local politics than national politics. It very much matters who is governing/running the state locally. We have very specific problems and needs and residents don't seem to care all that much about what is happening in DC. I'm not saying that's a great thing, but that is the read I get with regard to our political scene. We manage to survive.

Gerrymandering also plays into the redness. I have friends that live in Columbia, Missouri which is very liberal/Democratic but that city's voting district are pie wedges that extend way out into rural red areas to dilute Democratic votes. My friends House rep was that fucking nutcase Vicky Hartzler who was from south of KC.

[quote] Harris only carried six of Florida's 67 counties: Alachua, Broward, Gadsden, Leon, Orange and Palm Beach.

I love that Mar-A-Lago is in Palm Beach, and the majority voted for KAMALA HARRIS!

It's an interesting phenomenon that the majority of people who know or have worked with Trump, are against him.

[quote] Hawaii. It's the most isolated chain of islands in the world and it has been solid blue since it became a state in 1959. Good track record

Hawaii is a majority minority state. One of the few in the nation.

It's extremely multi cultural.

Beyond that, people who live there MUST get along. They live on an island. If you don't cooperate with each other, you can't survive.

They are more likely to understand the concepts of fairness, equality, and respect.

Stop fucking whining about nothing OP. You are old enough to understand what this map is really telling you. And it has nothing to do with being isolated.

R12 people are too naive and busy to notice two men passing through-you couldn’t live there comfortably..

I live in one of those blue counties, but work in an adjacent red county. I’m really thinking about moving up my retirement. It’s just so depressing driving into work and seeing all the Trump shit everywhere.

That map is outdated. For example, Orange County, CA is still red in it, but it ultimately ended up being blue.

Also, the percentages are wrong.

Trump: 49.9%

Harris: 48.4%

Alas it will continue in this direction for a while

R15 and R31

Jacksonville Florida has always been red. VERY red. It did go for Biden (51/47), but that was largely because of the Black population of the west side of Duval County.

[quote[Biden takes Duval, 1st time in decades county goes blue in presidential election. The last time a Democratic candidate took Duval in a presidential election was President Jimmy Carter. That was back in 1976.

They couldn't get LGBT discrimination protections in Jacksonville until 2017, and then it was fought over for years, repealed, and three years later reinstated. Jacksonville WAS finally moving in the "right" direction, but I guess that's been limited in the trump years (Duval, 50/48, trump.). St. John's County, just south of Duval and a big suburb - so to speak - of Jacksonville, was 65/34 trump.

[quote]Cows don’t vote

I disagree. Have you seen some of the diehard MAGA fraus at Trump rallies? Those cows do vote.

R3: Wrong. Look at Massachusetts.

R48 klassy lady

This map is a misrepresentation, as many of these land swaths have no one on them or very few people, relatively.

Hawaii's population has declined for the seventh consecutive year.

[quote]Beyond that, people who live there MUST get along. They live on an island. If you don't cooperate with each other, you can't survive.

The majority of New York state's population lives on islands (Manhattan, Long, and Staten). How's that working out?

Yes, but my ass is parked in Massachusetts.

[quote] R3 Wrong. Look at Massachusetts.

The entire state went blue?

Wow, that's impressive if true.

Massachusetts is much larger than Hawaii, and has ten times more people.

For all its faults, you gotta love MassHoles!

All of Rhode Island as well, and nearly all of Vermont. More than half of NH.

On the other hand, look at OK and WV.

Shitholes R57.

[quote]Look at Massachusetts.

Biden won by 33% and Harris won by 25%. It's not clear if the state will continue to move to the right in the future, but if it did, it would take a while before the GOP had enough to win.

R59 a lot of post-election stats were showing that New Jersey was dangerously close to turning red in this past election.

Considering that it's full of the same type of people as Pennsylvania, that could be a real possibility.

When you show maps colored by population centers, you see that, large swaths of what is colored red here, don't actually have any people living there compared to the big cities.

These red/blue maps are utterly misleading. See link for what happens when you color based on where people actually live

Democrats can't have a female President. They lose every time. Brings out the misogyny and makes Trump look good for being a male.

The fuq? He ran against Hilary and Kamala.

This country is very anti woman president! Nooooo. Women and guns and decision making and soldiers and war and being number #1 , that's a man's job! It might have a shit with Tulsi Gabbard on the Republican ticket as Vice President.

If Dems want to lose again they should nominate AOC.

Sadly the Dems will nominate a white male next time. This anti female, anti minority, anti gay America cannot last forever

If AOC gets the 2028 nomination, I may turn Republican or not vote. I can't stand her, especially the baby doll voice.

I live alone because I like it!

OP’s map is not misleading. It provides the most basic function of a map, which is showing location. People see all the red and don’t like it and want something to show how many instead. “How many” is different that “where”. You can have a different graphic that satisfies people’s desire to see the combination of how many and where, but that doesn’t invalidate a map that just represents location (specifically, the location of where each party had more votes than the other one.) it’s useful to show where in blue states there are areas that have more Republican voters than Democratic and where in red states there are more Democratic voters than Republican. It’s just location.

[quote]Sadly the Dems will nominate a white male next time. This anti female, anti minority, anti gay America cannot last forever

My have the tables have turned. Several weeks ago, there was a thread insisting that the only way Democrats will win is to nominate a White male in perpetuity to remain competitive, obvious shifting demographics be damned. American attitudes will change over time and the strategies used to win one election won't neccessarily work in another. Once Trump overplays his hand, fucks up the economy and implements far-right policies that do nothing to benefit the country, the people who voted for him because "he's against men in women's bathrooms" won't be worried about such trivial bullshit.

[quote]If AOC gets the 2028 nomination, I may turn Republican or not vote. I can't stand her, especially the baby doll voice.

That's a right-wing wet dream that isn't going to happen. AOC would not make it past the primaries if she did decide to run for president. 2028 is an eternity away politically and we still have to get through Donald Trump's chaos and destruction first. If he managed to con that many Americans into voting for him again, whose to say he wouldn't pull some anti-constitutional stunt to make it easier for him and his party to limit the fairness of future elections?

The only way we got a Black man as president is because GWB screwed up so horribly. If it weren't a Black man, it would have been a White woman.

Trump will likely screw up even worse this time around, but Dems will not take the chance

It would be less depressing if it were drawn with population density.

Many states have empty land.

The entire state of Wyoming, which has 2 senators by the way, has 500K people in total.

There are fewer people in total in N Dakota, S Dakota, Wyoming, Nebraska, and Arkansas than in NYC - 10 senators.

R69, see R61

When you show maps colored by population centers, you see that, large swaths of what is colored red here, don't actually have any people living there compared to the big cities.

As R66 said, it's NOT misleading.

All of that red means that Democrats are totally outnumbered in most of the country, except for large urban areas.

Doesn't anyone else find it sad that people of like mind are all crammed into such small spaces in the country? And that the only place we'll be able to feel comfortable around each other, is in the big cities?

The minute we leave the urban areas, we're surrounded by MAGATS.

In EVERY SINGLE STATE, except Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Hawaii.

I find that fucking sad.

The map IS accurate, because it means that Democrats occupy only a small amount of land area, compared to Republicans.

Republicans control the land area, and that impacts legislation as well. Anywhere in red, follows RED STATE laws.

Remember that.

[quote]In EVERY SINGLE STATE, except Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Hawaii.

There are diehard Trumpers in central Massachusetts (outside Worcester) and in western Mass. They are outnumbered by the liberal voters but they are out there, and tend to be loud about where they stand. I have friends and family who live in these areas.

There are probably progressive leaning folks in the diehard red areas, but they will tend to hide their beliefs and leanings, for social (and perhaps, physical) safety reasons.

R52, Not sure why you posted this. The reason for the decline is the cost of living and lack of decent job opportunities. The median price for a home on the main island of Oahu - where the decent jobs are - is north of 1M. Prices for groceries, fuel, houses, rentals and cars are really high. Finding a decent, affordable rental home is difficult` to even find.

It has been suggested by our wonderful government that owners do not want to rent their vacant 2nd home properties to the local people and It's true. Local renters have bad habits like trashing the shit out of rentals, skipping the rent for a year, having hoards of people move in with them for profit, and having old shitty cars all over the front of the houses. There is talk about having a vacant home 'tax' that will make owning a 2nd home subject to a new, high, nasty tax rate ... (I'm guessing) as punishment for refusing to rent your 2nd home. There are so many anti-this-that-bullshit laws and taxes in Hawaii and on everyone. Tourists are finally beginning to realize that the people who have lived in Hawaii for eons don't want them there at all. The problem is that the economy IS tourism. I'm a lifelong resident, don't hate tourists but have a little old 2nd home there.that I use as my own getaway place on a different island. I'm pissed about the idea I'm going to be taxed to death for not renting it out. How am I supposed to use it if there is a damn renter in there. It's all so stupid but that is Hawaii. Taxed to death. It has a lot to do with why people leave for Las Vegas, and the west coast. I left after college when I couldn't get a job that paid more than minimum wage. I moved back because good or bad it's my home.

Moving to Hawaii sounds great if you are in Minnesota and have to shovel snow to get out of your house. You should know that on average, people that move there don't last more than a 6 months to a year before moving back to where they came from. They run out of money, can't find decent work, or just give up due to the general cost of living and anti-newcomer attitudes.

R71 Don't you think that might be changing with so many people working remotely? The days of reporting to an office 5 days a week are over for many people. Most of my friends are working from home these days and they love it to the point of saying they'd never go back. Elon, Vivek and The Donald might have other ideas though.

The truth is, the U.S. has always been a conservative nation.

It's just that in the mid-20th century, liberals managed to take over new inventions like film, radio, television, etc. which they utilized as their propaganda machine.

But now in the 21st century, legacy media is going extinct and conservatives have managed to utilize the internet/social media to their great advantage.

Thus, conservatives will rule again this century.

Republicans control more counties, but those blue spots combined hold a disproportionate amount of this country's economic output and gross domestic product. The results of this election will not change the decades long trends that have taken place in this country. America's population is increasingly urbanized/suburbanized, jobs are increasingly concentrated in those areas and metro areas account for much of the growth. There's no rush or influx of jobs to rural areas and you're doubly screwed if there isn't a midsized community (say a place with 10-25k population) nearby. They can vote MAGA 'til the cows come home, but Trump can't and won't "fix" it.

[quote]There's no rush or influx of jobs to rural areas and you're doubly screwed if there isn't a midsized community (say a place with 10-25k population) nearby. They can vote MAGA 'til the cows come home, but Trump can't and won't "fix" it.

I agree that both parties have failed to address the problems of the people in the small towns and rural areas. Considering how important they are to Trump's support, he would be wise in this term to divert most of the federal money going to large urban areas to where it's needed, those small towns and rural areas. We'll have to wait to see what happens.

[quote]Republicans control more counties, but those blue spots combined hold a disproportionate amount of this country's economic output and gross domestic product.

The blue counties don't control the economic output and gross domestic product attributable to those locations. The economic output is controlled by rich people who may or may not even live there.

Masasc husetts used to have lots of Republicans. They voted for Mitt Romney, after all, not realizing what a crazy nutjob he really was (during his tenuse for example, he refused to grant a single liquor license). The legislature wsa 85% Democratic, which is why it wasn't a total disaster, but they absolutely do not understand the pure evil which Republicanism is in a place like North Carolina.

Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New Jersey are very confusing to me.

All four of those states have a lot of Italians, who can easily be swayed to vote MAGA.

Think: Long Island, Staten Island, etc. Racist, small minded, and Conservative.

So why aren't NJ, Conn, and Rhode Island more prone to vote Republican, like Pennsylvania and rural New York?

They surprise me in a good way, in that they haven't fallen for Republican lies, deceit, and misinformation.

But does anyone know why that is?

I mean, I think about Italians in CT and Rhode Island, and I think about all the racist trashy Southie assholes who live in Boston, and all of the racist trashy Guidos who live in New Jersey, and I immediately think ----> they're going to vote for Trump.

But those states held firmly Blue.

Can anyone venture a guess as to why this is?

The red is mostly land. The blue is people.

Depressed? Lord henny. Get yourself a hobby or something.

[quote]Can anyone venture a guess as to why this is?

R79 Could the reason be that the northeast U.S. and New England are much better educated overall than other parts of the country? Or conservatives in those regions are less MAGA-inclined? Or just pure luck?

Pennsylvania is never a surprise to me. The state is a combo of metro Philadelphia, metro Pittsburgh and the worst of Kentucky/imported deep south views in between. Rural, upstate New York isn't surprising either.

Be grateful if you live in a firmly blue state with a bit of a cushion to the coming madness of Trump and red state style leadership at the highest levels of the federal government..

[quote]OP’s map is not misleading. It provides the most basic function of a map, which is showing location. People see all the red and don’t like it and want something to show how many instead. “How many” is different that “where”.

The map may not be technically misleading, but it provides an incomplete picture from which most people would draw an inaccurate conclusion.

Oh wait...

Misleading: giving the wrong idea or impression.

Also, it's not simply a map intended to convey geography. It is an infographic - "graphic visual representations of information, data, or knowledge intended to present information quickly and clearly. They can improve cognition by using graphics to enhance the human visual system's ability to see patterns and trends."

R79 as noted by another poster, they’re smarter than you. A lot smarter. In Massachusetts, anyway, they’re a lot healthier, in better shape with less disease incidence (and better outcomes thanks to the best medical care in the country.) Their children attend the best public school system in the US. And few states can claim as many world-class colleges and universities which are increasingly engines of prosperity for the local area. It’s a nice place to be, too: the ocean and mountains are within two hours of everyone in the state.

But maybe most importantly, they don’t as a rule refer to neighbors they don’t know (as here) as racist, trashy, or assholes or even racist, trashy guidos. They choose, unlike too many people and far more often among Republican politicians, not to stereotype others. It’s stupid but then so is a lot of this country. No need to confirm that - we’re all too aware of it reading some of the threads here.

R51, right, land doesn’t vote.

r79 what you said is stereotypical, but kind of true, about those groups that live in MA and CT, and other parts of New England.

They don't make up as much of the electorate as you believe, there aren't as many of them around as there used to be. A lot of the conservative "old Italians" have died out in recent years. Their children and grandchildren went off to college, intermarried with other ethnic groups, moved out the pricy burbs and went more progressive.

There is an interesting discussion of a panel at Yale on this topic, linked below.

Pertinent paragraph:

"Because the winners of a statewide election might receive a thin majority or only a plurality of votes cast, coloring that state entirely red or entirely blue reveals little about the overall electorate. Even the reddest or bluest states are really shades of purple. Similarly, coloring dozens of lower-population rural districts one color and a handful of isolated urban districts with much higher populations another color, creates a misleading impression of a state’s partisan makeup.

“You almost couldn’t put together a graphic with less information than the red-blue map,” Gerber said."

Whoops- left off the link.

r78 Massachusetts has elected several moderate Republican governors in recent decades, who were really liked by the electorate: Romney, Charlie Baker, and the popular Bill Weld back in the 80s-90s. These men today would be called "RINOs" by the MAGA coalition; Romney is regularly reviled as such.

The love for moderate Repub governors doesn't represent a high number of registered Republicans in the state at all - the opposite is true. But Massachusetts Democrats like divided, balanced government, they routinely cross over to vote for moderate Republicans. They like the fiscal stability the represent - the MA State Legislature is notoriously tax-happy and spendy.

Romney wasn't weird re the liquor licenses, he is a practicing Mormon and that probably informed those decisions more than any political leanings.

To better illustrate the "purple" nature of the US described in r87, see this map and the one in the following post. You can see how "purple" the country actually is, with the various shades across the landscape.

This map shows the voting pattern distribution by shade, by state (2020 results here only):

Great link, you can play with the map by year (2024 is available here), and by shading: purple, greenish, or greyscale.

Greyscale IMO really shows up the gradient:

Using a single color for a whole state fails to show where in the state there is majority of Democrats and where there is a majority of Republicans.

Normal people don’t have the bizarre and literal fear that others may misinterpret the size of a geographical area as being an inductor of population. Normal people know that when someone sees Wyoming on a map of the U.S. they don’t say, “Gosh, look how big that rectangle is on the map. There must hundreds of millions of people living in Wyoming!” Normal people know, and know that others know, that there are large areas of the U.S. with few people living there, and small areas with a huge number of people.

[Quote] The electoral college needs to be abolished.

Of course. The problem is, we need the consent of the people who benefit the most from it to do so.

So, no. We are stuck with this vestige of slavery.

It all came down to 229,766 votes.

Trump barely won, even with a GLOBAL political movement away from incumbent governments due to inflation. Don't buy the mandate hype that Republicans and some in the media are trying to peddle. There was no political realignment. It was all due to inflation, with immigration playing a smaller role. Obama in 2008 was an actual realignment, and even that only lasted for 2 years.

r94 I guess that's why most magats can't be considered normal.

[quote]Obama in 2008 was an actual realignment, and even that only lasted for 2 years.

Ah, the good 'ol days of the Tea Party and the anti-Affordable Care Act voters screaming "socialism." And we thought Republicans couldn't get any crazier than that back then. We were so naive.

R98 And we were told by the media brain trust that the rise of the Tea Party was "economic anxiety" on the part of the working class. That was BS then, just like it's BS now to blame $8 eggs on Trump's win.

It's always been about the racism and sexism with a lot of Americans. Not that most of them would ever admit that to a reporter or pollster. Instead they lie and say it's the economy. I live in Reno--these fucking casinos are full all the time now. If these people are so impoverished and can't afford eggs, why are they shoving $100 bills into slot machines?

Not that I mind, it means less ill have to pay in property taxes. Please Flyovers, come visit my city and leave behind your 💰.

Misinformation runs rampant and to be honest, a good chunk of the American electorate has no idea how government functions and couldn't tell you what policies the candidates are running on beyond the one-line talking points: "Mass deportations," "The economy is bad," "The U.S. has the worst inflation rates among highly-developed countries" and so on. Lies, bullshit, or a combination of the two. They're about to learn that Trump is no savior who can lower prices at the grocery store, end wars and deport record numbers of illegals without negatively impacting the economy. Government services will get worse because he's stocked his cabinet and administration with incompetent people who are only capable of kissing his ass. Unfortunately we all have to suffer the consequences of the stupidity, but it is the only way Trump supporters will realize they've been fucked over royally. And there will still be a few holdouts who will never blame their dear leader even though they will end up struggling more than they were when he took office.

[quote]Trump barely won, even with a GLOBAL political movement away from incumbent governments due to inflation. Don't buy the mandate hype that Republicans and some in the media are trying to peddle. There was no political realignment. It was all due to inflation, with immigration playing a smaller role. Obama in 2008 was an actual realignment, and even that only lasted for 2 years.

We're is this GLOBAL political movement away from incumbent governments due to inflation.?

If you're talking about Europe it's due to immigration. And if you don't think there's a political realignment to the right, you're a fool.

[quote]I mean, I think about Italians in CT and Rhode Island, and I think about all the racist trashy Southie assholes who live in Boston, and all of the racist trashy Guidos who live in New Jersey, and I immediately think ----> they're going to vote for Trump.

I can only speak for NJ. The TRASH lives in Camden, Atlantic City, Newark etc. All Democrat shitholes.

I was staying at a motel in Jasper, Alabama twenty years ago. I had a gay pride sticker on my car (which most Alabamans at that time did not recognize). But someone did and the drivers of a pickup truck parked next to me discussed how they were going to kill me when I emerged from my room (they didn't know which one, of course). The same could easily happen today. R2 does NOT KNOW this country, not at all. And it probably a conservative gun nut.

What is more interesting is the numbers. It is a very close popular vote where there is a high concentration of Dems and the rest of the country is all trumpeters spread thinly like peanut butter.

It's economics, blue fairs better than red.

Bumper stickers on cars are like waving a red flag in front of a bull R103. My sister and her hubby live in Pittsburgh and like to go to some hippie town in West Virginny periodicallyto hike and relax. They almost got ran off the road into a ditch by some screaming redneck triggered by a Biden/Harris 2020 sticker on their car.

We shouldn't be intimidated by them but at the same time know they're angry, armed, and easily triggered. Be careful.

[quote] Trump barely won, even with a GLOBAL political movement away from incumbent governments due to inflation. Don't buy the mandate hype that Republicans and some in the media are trying to peddle.

But the map is all red, and that means I have a mandate!

^^^Mr. Pres-elect, the only mandate you have is being an perpetual, insufferable asshole.

How did you escape being attacked, R103?

Left at 3 a.m.

R40 LOL.

I recall when Gore lost Tenn. the media made such a big deal of it.

How times have changed...

This map makes me feel great.

What the map tells me is that Democratic voters are lazy. The ones who do vote equal the entire country of retardlicans. Get off your lazy asses and vote like you did in 2020.