Gen Z Men Are Getting Honest About Why Conservatism Is Growing More Popular

7. "Gen Z male here and lifelong Democrat. Trump benefited from the fact that young white men are struggling to define what it means to be a successful man in an era where women no longer will settle for any old man."

"Men still feel like they must be a protector/provider for a partner, but women no longer need that. They can look after themselves. That results in frustrated men who can’t connect with women’s expectations and an easily tapped pool of resentment for right-wing politics."—arkansastraveller

8. "I'm a 21-year-old trans man from the deep south. The men who I know are becoming more conservative because they are given explicit permission to be. When Trump got elected in 2016, the country showed men that they could do anything they wanted and still be one of the most powerful people in the world."

"Additionally, they aren't in complete control anymore, and they don't like that. No one likes change, but they are turning that dislike into hatred of everyone who is different from them."—knox77

9. "The left has a serious messaging problem when it comes to including men in their vision for an inclusive future. Even since I was in high school, during the end of the Obama years, I remember this specific point often coming up. The issues of specifically young men are often entirely dismissed or discredited due to our historical privileges, and modern-day young men are feeling left behind because they ARE being left behind."

"Identity politics, lumping together large groups of people based on non-important factors (race, gender, etc.), and making sweeping generalized statements about those groups, is modern racism. Prejudice, at the very least. And that applies to every racial demographic. When the Democrats tell Black voters how they should think and feel, or tell Latino/a's they are LatinX, instead of actually listening to the wants and needs of these groups, they can't be surprised when Trump (who refers to everyone as simply 'Americans' and not by their race) is more appealing to them. The Democrats treat people like statistics, like data. Trump treats them as people, even if he is lying to their face."

10. "From what I understand of my neighbors, coworkers, and peers, it's that they feel attacked now. Basically, straight, white, cisgender, Christian men, in particular, feel like they get the blame for issues of systemic racism, classism, sexism, and religious bias."

"They feel like people invalidate their struggles when they point to the privilege that straight, white, cisgender, Christian men have. They feel like people judge them in a bad light. So why not turn to the conservative side and tell them what they want to hear? Why not turn to the side that says they truly are under attack and their way of life needs to be protected? I realize that I can be privileged in society under general terms but that doesn't mean my life is struggle-free or even easy. I think a lot of younger men haven't been open to having these conversations or doing the self-reflection on this with an open mind. It's easier to just listen to the assholes who are telling them what they want to hear."

11. "I think it's simply because the old talk radio shows of the past have moved to podcasts on the internet where they are pushed as targeted content."

12. "There is no one smoking gun to this, but I'd say most reasons fall under two umbrellas: simmering resistance to feminism and a not-so-much pro-conservative, as much as anti-establishment sentiment."

13. "Most of my friends are just entering adulthood and are working minimum wage jobs while the prices are getting higher. They can hardly afford basic life necessities, are unable to buy a house, and feel cheated as the economy grows worse."

"They have girlfriends as well who they aren’t able to wed because of how high prices are and how low they are being paid. They all cited these as reasons why they voted for Trump."

14. "The Democratic Party has been proudly campaigning that they are the party of literally everyone but men for decades now. We realize that many types of people have problems, but if you want men's votes, you need to actually provide solutions to their issues as well."

"Conservatives at least speak to the grievances and concerns of men, so they have essentially become the only home. Also, browbeating men as bigots and oppressors if we don't vote for Democrats is also not a great way to win our vote. Do better, Democrats!"

15. "These young guys are listening to right-wing podcasts that are genuinely corrupting their reality. They’re obsessed with masculinity because they’re TOLD to be obsessed with it. They’re TOLD people hate them. It’s very sad."

16. "Feels like education plays a role. The lack of people wanting to learn and actually form their own opinions versus just absorbing intense fast-paced content." —jadeeatsbeans

17. "Men are becoming more conservative because it feels like the left is discriminating against men. In my opinion, the #MeToo movement is a prime example of that. As a man, I face big-time backlash any time I attempt to talk to a woman!" —Anonymous

And finally...

18. "This is another HUGE reason why Gen Z is going to the other side. If you say absolutely anything that questions any part of the Democratic Party or platform, there is no discourse, there is no discussion. Extremists within the party automatically assume you must be for the other side and call you a racist, homophobe, fascist, bigot, Nazi, and ultimately, so many people are sick of it."

"No, claiming Dems ran a bad candidate and a flawed campaign doesn't mean you're on the right; it means you recognize this 2024 approach failed. You aren't a Nazi; you aren't a bigot, you aren't a racist, and you aren't a homophobe if you recognize the 2024 Dem campaign was flawed. However, calling someone every one of those things for disagreeing will, and did, push millions to the right."

The problem is for the most part the media portrays the facts. Perhaps some bias as it involves corporate interests or even an on air personality's preference for a particular candidate, but when you just let it out there and report the news--Republicans always seem like the villains. To those on the left, to those on the right, even their hardcore base. THATS BECAUSE THEY ARE. They actually are in most regards. So repubs convince the general public, and shame liberals to acknowledge this nonexistent. Then also because the media is a profit making business they also going to obsess over stories featuring superficial identity politics, cause celebrate, things that are only niche popular but are polarizing amongst the general public. So then people don't take the media seriously, while having falsely convinced themselves that there is a liberal media bias. Liberals need to learn how to fight back on misinformation.

acknowledge this nonexistent bias*

summarize this 25 paragraph article*

young straight men can't get laid which is making them deranged just like you would be if you were nearing your mid 20s and no man ever agreed to fuck you despite trying your very best to attract one. i'm shocked there aren't way more mass shootings then there are. inceldom is affecting more than a third of the straight male population. it's as big as the fentanyl crisis.

r6 oh dear - than

r6 the center of the modern right wing movement is the sexual domination of women - moreso than racism or any other thing. this is how they won latino men too.

I have said this before

The problem is the elevation of women into leadership roles

Women have an obsession with accommodating. They are singularly obsessed with it. It is their way of “sticking it to the man”.

The Ivy League presidents - all women - proved this when they could not condemn outright anti-Jewish bigotry in front of Congress. Because the bigots were POCs, they had to be ACCOMMODATED.

r9 I call it phony social equity. Not only does it undermine the system, but also--people who may be cautious but still open to a female leader, they then get completely turned off which they would not have done so if the rules were applied evenly.

[quote] young straight men can't get laid which is making them deranged just like you would be if you were nearing your mid 20s and no man ever agreed to fuck you despite trying your very best to attract one.

They haven't "tried their best". They post their flabby torso dirty mirror pics on dating apps then swipe to the hottest chicks and get pissy when those hot chicks have better options.

This generation of men is terminally online and I've never seen such lack of skill in every arena of life--social, fitness, health, sexual etc. Try getting them to do anything that doesn't have a cheat code is next to impossible. They've been raised on instant gratification; open your phone, watch anything you want, get any piece of information you want, view the hottest women the world has to offer .

Sexual attraction is more nuanced and complex than a video game, dating app or smartphone.

Little retards.

Too bad no one has thought to Luigi Andrew Tate.

Oh no, my poh widdle feelings.

I wanna play video games all day with semen-encrusted hands and can't understand why I am undateable?

Its simple. You cannot win over men carrying a narrative that men are bad.

You can say it’s sexism all you want and it’s all about men being evil. I think it’s about men being understood.

Cardi B has been able to interview Joe Biden in 2020 and then speak at Kamal’s rally this year after openly admitting to drugging and robbing men when she was a stripper.

This idea that one side is more evil than the other is false.

I share Malcolm X’s views of both parties.

R11 Meh that’s just a sweeping stereotype. It’s the same stereotype that Gen Z women are all purple haired and non binary.

I think the biggest issue with Gen Z dating is they’re all too fat to have dating and social lives. Obesity statistics are the closest insight to explain that in my opinion.

I didn’t check but I’ll bet you the statistics of sexually active Gen Z aligns closely with the normal weight Gen Z population.

r15 You know its funny. Thats how I know she had mad charisma in that the press never bashed her about that. Because men who pay to see pussy deserved to be robbed right? She better actually a hope her own wrath of MeToo in the terms of straight males who used to hit up that club, doesn't formulate, with all the liars and grifters that it would attract. I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened yet.

Angry, poor, lonely young men are driving this force. And I’m terrified.

R19 Right only the men who can get pregnant are the strong ones.

I told you guys before the election, when he was going on all the bro podcasts, that the incels would be a force in the election.

r21 and DL told you they don't vote. It's not just incels though. The democrats have a young male problem when they shouldn't especially when you look at the demographics. Many young black and brown men hate both parties equally, when on policy they should be in our pocket. It's a messaging issue and they need to fix it before it's too late.

R21, terrible

R11 it doesn’t matter if it’s their “fault” - the human mind doesn’t accept being excluded from the mating game

I am going to use an example. The Daniel Penny case, and the responses from candidates like AOC. Who is she exactly is she speaking2? The donor class? Let sleeping dogs lie. Because I'm tell you something. Black men are tired as hell as being regarded as victims. Thats what this running away from liberalism is about. It's not so much embrace of conservative philosophy but an exhaustion of victimization which subtly translates to feminization. It's become psychological. You have all these black celebrities reaching the highest of heights that you now tell us are gay deviants. Then every other story is some black male being victimized. When many of these victims are not even representative of the average black male. And they care about injustice but the entire narrative is victimization that is when you aren't portraying black men as the big boogeyman.

I have a few Gen Zers on my staff. They always tell me they don't believe what I see on social media or what is written about Gen Z. The media narrative isn't a wholly accurate picture of who this generation is. And they're right, I'm GenX and I remember the articles written about us, when we were the hot new generation, and while there were some commonalities it wasn't like everyone born in the late 60s/70s were alike.

r25 The main narratives about Black men in the US since this countries inception have been a) Black men are dangerous savages out to harm innocent, pure, White women, b) criminals up to no good, c) perpetual victims who are so weak and incapable, they need to be rescued by the same racial demographic that has been demonizing his very existence for centuries.

It's no wonder a bunch of them are either becoming apolitical or running to the right. The Democrats need to quickly accept the fact that they can no longer depend on the Black male vote as a guaranteed win and start taking them seriously if they intend to win another election ever again.

^*country's

Also, social media has proven conservative women to be more attractive than liberals and many young men who live online have taken notice.

Did you see the election reactions? MAGA chicks were generally hotter and appeared saner than the homely, deranged feminists on the left, who shaved their heads on camera and threatened to divorce their husbands. One woman even killed her infirmed father she was caring for over the election results.

In short, why put up with a crazy, man-hating, masculine, liberal woman, when you can have a pretty, feminine, conservative woman who appreciates her man?

r29 I don't do histrionics. This is such a bullshit ass post.

If you liars can’t get laid, maybe take a fucking shower and put down the video game console.

Most of them seem to spend all of their time on line soaking in the hate and fear instead of going outside for a walk to maybe meet someone.

There is a subreddit I read, it's dedicated to early retirement. The amount of men who want to retire early so they can devote more time to video games..,,

Im telling you, the internet has fucked a huge portion of men.

R29 nailed it.

Nothing a well-timed all-out war with a draft will not solve.

Losers who are a part of a losing effort , who helped drive a losing effort, and will be a part of a losing effort for years to come, sit around and discuss why others are losers.

Oddly i just saw this on IG and it touched upon everything I said

*women being elevated into leadership roles

*women then demanding everyone else be accommodated and blaming men for everything

-This touches onto one of Freudian psychology’s most famous theories: castration anxiety. That was why Dylan Mulvaney triggered such a strong reaction. A literal example of castration anxiety. Who elevated Dylan Mulvaney at Bud Light? A female marketing executive.

That bossy female at R36 in her pants suit with her arms crossed and screaming at the guy, just says it all.

That IS the modern day workplace, and men are fucking sick of it.

I certainly know that I was sick of it, and that's why I quit my job.

I'll never work for another female ever again.

Love the “gay deviants” reference, you fucking dumb cunt.

[quote] summarize this 25 paragraph article*

Young men want to be handed everything. Right-wing bad actors like Rogan and Tate have convinced them that their lives are not easy because of women, the Left, Democrats and POC. The white ones are also told they are ENTITLED to opportunity, prosperity and sexual gratification because they are men and the Left and feminism have stolen their entitlement. Sexual predation is normalized and seen as power. All manner of bad behavior is deemed acceptable when your President, his confederates and your favorite podcasters are all liars, thieves, drunkards, rapists and sex traffickers.

R39 fucking wins.

Thread closed.

R39 nailed it as a rant.

I'm halfway between (a) interested to explore why this is happening, and (b) fuck them, enough anthropological takes on it, enough catering-to and caring about their perspective whatsoever when they plainly don't give a shit about any other demographic outside their own. Fuck them. And they won and we'll all collectively experience the consequences.

Our business is to out-organize, out-work and out-vote them the next time. For now, that remains possible and maybe even probable.

[quote]they're constantly trying to top each other

Pics please.

Trump, his current cabinet choices, Joe Rogan, et al, represent one thing: the victory of the class clown.

Interesting/funny for about 15 minutes, then they get boring and devolve into run-of-the-mill assholes.

[quote] Trump, his current cabinet choices, Joe Rogan, et al, represent one thing: the victory of the class clown.

To me, they're more like the school bullies and the mean girls.

They won again.

They always win.

School bullies go into finance or some blue-collar gig like police or fire.

Mean girls become meanie moms and lord over the PTA and neighborhood associations.

Neither group goes into politics.

I don’t think R39 nailed it. First, telling young white men they're entitled is exactly the kind of lefty talk that drives them to the right. Women are now far outpacing men in higher education, which means young men are being left behind economically. On top of that, college educated women don’t want to date non college educated men. So now young men not only make less money but also can’t also find wives and girlfriends. The left tells them they’re entitled, privileged, and have nothing to complain about due to historic racism and sexism that doesn’t seem to actually be benefitting them personally. The left also rants about the evils of toxic masculinity and touts dumb slogans like “the future is female.” At the same time, the right tells them their anger is justified. It’s not really rocket science to see why young men are siding with the right here.

If a white guy wants a girlfriend, he can have a girlfriend. The issue is a bunch of, at best, white 5s want to only date white 10s, and that ain't happening unless you have a bank account that can add a couple of points to that white 5.

That's the way it's always been, and that's the way it's always going to be. Women are transactional, if you're not bringing something to the table then they're not giving it up - unless they're 30 and all their other friends are married and you're the last guy available with working sperm.

Stay in your lane, white 5s, go out with the fat girls or white girl 5s. There's pussy out there, you just have to go to the c-squad.

[quote] The issue is a bunch of, at best, white 5s want to only date white 10s, and that ain't happening unless you have a bank account that can add a couple of points to that white 5.

[quote] Stay in your lane, white 5s, go out with the fat girls or white girl 5s. There's pussy out there, you just have to go to the c-squad.

Oriental females will fuck any white guy (no matter what they look like, as long as they're white), so there's that.

White losers can always get a date with them.

And we all know the closet cases end up with them too.

"First, telling young white men they're entitled is exactly the kind of lefty talk that drives them to the right."

So how do you explain the white male presidential candidate who pretended to fellate a microphone on a campaign stop a couple of days before the election? Not only did it generate little press, the clown who did it went on to win the election.

If that ain't white privilege, I don't know what is. If the black female candidate had done it, the cable news channels would have gone apoplectic with non stop coverage for a week and the prissy white evangelicals who dominate the Republican Party would have tripped over themselves condemning her for such a ghastly act.

Exactly, R49. So Trump-voting young white males can bash the hell out of every other demographic (and they do, constantly) but if we smack talk in their direction at all, OOOOH NOOOO we're "alienating" them and driving them further into MAGA's arms.

Got it.

[quote] So how do you explain the white male presidential candidate who pretended to fellate a microphone

He’s not a young white man. He’s an old white politician and billionaire. Yes, he has white privilege and gets away with a ton. But he also has nothing in common with Gen Z men. You think any Gen Z guy who mimicked a sex act at his job wouldn’t get canned in this day and age?

[quote]Women are now far outpacing men in higher education, which means young men are being left behind economically.

Oh, please -- young men used to have everything handed to them, and now that they have to work a little harder (because they're also competing with women), they can't be bothered, and want to whine and pout.

Ask any straight woman: men have [italic]always[/italic] been the weaker sex. You guys have no idea the lengths to which women go not to rub it in your faces that most of you are idiots.

R37 is permanently unemployed.

ewww, Gen Z guys have cummy hands. Wash your hands, Gen Z😂😂

The right took over when the media STOPPED caring about p rofit and started seeing propaganda as a loss leader.

All the sexualized fantasies about GenZ masculinity is all nonsense. We already know from countless surveys they don't have sex anymore, being too fat and financially dependent on their parents. Unfortunately, they also vote in the same pattern as their GenX parents, because they have no indepence of mind. Dumb as bricks, they don't know how ANYTHING works.

[quote]I certainly know that I was sick of it, and that's why I quit my job.

Sure, Jan.

[quote] On top of that, college educated women don’t want to date non college educated men.

R46 educated women are actually the ones who are more likely to date and marry uneducated men. All those nurses and teachers are dating and marrying blue collar guys.

R55 You know what you just introduced an interesting perspective. The no brain of their own. Gen Z is basically fringe version of groups in previous generations. They are millennials on crack, the religious right on mass hysteria, misogynist on nazism.

R24 it does matter if it's your fault you're a failure in life.

Ah DL R49 explains the election. Harris lost because of white privilege. I knew it would not take liberals long to find someone to blame this 3-0 loss on.

I can feel 2028 turning already.

[quote]The white ones are also told they are ENTITLED to opportunity, prosperity and sexual gratification because they are men and the Left and feminism have stolen their entitlement.

r39 The Black ones are definitely told this, as well. Just take a trip into the Black red pill manosphere and see exactly how toxic they are.

Black men and Black women already had issues with being against each other, and this specific corner of the internet capitalized on that tension for profit. Now, we hate each other even more and Black men stay talking shit about Black women and how "unmarryable"we are on the internet. Mission accomplished.

Under no circumstances will we be giving men of other races passes when they're guilty of the exact same problem. The Black and Latino men know exactly what they're doing. They're angry and blame women for all of their problems and these platforms have vindicated them by giving them spaces to air their grievances. Now, we can't get them to shut-up.

Overall, it's mainly Millennial men behind this and Gen Z men look up to them as mentors.

I am watching the height of machismo and Americanism, the Army-Navy game. During the National Anthem, the camera focused on.......... Donald Trump and JD Vance who are in attendance. Who should be there? The President! But, instead, all optics of patriotism are on the traitor and his ass-licker, the antithesis of liberty and democracy. Optics give the message that Trump is the defender, strong and determined, and Biden is weak and more suited for the Kennedy Center Honors. For young men, the contrast is stark.

So now Trump and Musk are going to fix all of their problems?

His last army navy game and Joe is a no show. It’s a long game , the weather is cool, and he would not be in a lux box, so maybe at his age like me watching from home makes more sense.

He let trump have the prime time stage. Maybe that is fitting.but it’s still sad.

R64, the game is being played at Northwest Stadium in Landover, Md, home of the NFL Commanders. They have luxury boxes, so he could watch from inside.

R61 Perhaps but it needs to be pointed out. Joe Rogan is not a millennial. He is balding old Gen Xer; bitch dam near a boomer.

R65 Biden has never attended the game. But when the president does attend he is not sitting high up in a lux box.

He does the coin toss

And at half time the potus crosses from one stands to the other stands to watch the rest of the game with the other side.

Is it any surprise that a generation with no intellectual discipline at all is veeeeing in this direction?

It’s not their fault, tbh. They grew up in an era in which you don’t need to exert yourself at all to get information or otherwise get what you want. So they have no critical thinking skills at all.

Couple this with a lack of social skills due to being surrounded by immersive entertainment, and an over-reliance on passive, internet-based socializing, and you get Generation Rogan.

Again, it’s not their fault. They are like the people plugged into the matrix. They were born into this.

At the end of his program “Connections,” BBC science reporter James Burke predicted that there was an information revolution coming, and there would be a handful who understood the technology and would control it to dominate the rest. That was in 1978.

^^^ veering

[quote] “Nobody wants to grow up to be Gavin Newsom or Andrew Cuomo.”

Welp.

R61, the white ones are told they are entitled to economic opportunity and prosperity. I don't think there has ever been a time when young Black men were made to feel entitled to economic opportunity and prosperity. If you isolate the sexual gratification part of the messaging I think that is consistent across culture and ethnicity. However, I think the assault on DEI is specifically targeting and amplifying the grievance of young white men, that their birthright has been stolen by women, POC and transgenders.

[quote] He’s not a young white man. He’s an old white politician and billionaire.

Now he’s a billionaire?

r66 Fresh n' Fit are Millennials. Those are the types young red-pilled Black and Latino men, specifically, look up to. And they are simply awful.

[quote] Oriental females will fuck any white guy (no matter what they look like, as long as they're white), so there's that.

This is just a racist stereotype. "Asian" women are among the most desired by men of all races. Asian women can be, and are, discriminating in choosing partners.

r71 The Black men are definitely told the same about economic opportunity and prosperity. The delivery of the messaging is just different and reminiscent of the likes of Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X. They are told that liberal White men have elevated "their women" (read: Black women) over them in the workplace and academia as a way to weaken and emasculate the Black man from economic prosperity.

In other words, red-pilled Black men are told to blame us (Black women) for their failures because we "sold the Black man out" to the White man in exchange for a hand out. And now this election has made all of this drama in the community super worse.

I don't think you realize how dark and toxic these online Black manosphere spaces really are. It's Defcon 1 out here.

The far left is not exactly welcoming to heterosexual Caucasian males. Could that be it?

Many of us , and not just the really old timers will never live long enough to see another Dem president.

R76, they don’t like homosexual Caucasian men either.

R75, it is way more nuanced than you are suggesting. The presumed inferiority of Black men is baked into the pie. To the extent Black men are pitted against Black women that is the intended consequence of centuries of racist violence, discrimination and degradation. The fragility of the Black male Gen Z ego is owing to different factors than their white counterparts.

[quote] If you say absolutely anything that questions any part of the Democratic Party or platform, there is no discourse, there is no discussion.

Sorry but this is utter horseshit.

Everyone shits on the Democrats. Leftists. Rightists. Centrists. Everyoneists.

When people say Democrats, they mean the Left in general - at least the ones who don’t dub themselves progressives, which the country REALLY hates.

They’re mad because they’re not the first choice of anyone anymore.

Now they’re expected to work for good grades, make an effort to get into a college/university and do the work to graduate once they get there.

If they go to a trade school, they’re expected to put in the effort to pass their classes and get a job.

If they even bother to get jobs, they are expected to put in an EFFORT to show up, work and stay off social media and quit gaming at work.

This is just too much effort, so idiots like Rogaine and rapist Tate tell these fools that having to WORK in order to make money is because women and minorities hate them.

They’re mad because they’re now being expected to put in EFFORT to get what they want and they’re too immature to cope.

The self-pity is really astonishing.

But all the post-election advice being doled out the Democrats seems to boil down to: actively shit on your base voters in the hope that people who hate. you might vote for you.

Harris tried it - hard. And it didn't work.

From what I’ve seen, I think a lot of Gen Z men grew up without fathers and without a healthy male role models in their lives, so they turned to misogynist podcasters like Tate, Rogan, etc. I think a lot of them grew up in dysfunctional single mother homes which is probably why they fetishize the “trad wife” trope.

Basically, Gen Z has daddy issues.

I do agree that the left has done a terrible job of reaching out to young, white men, especially poor white men.

Unless you're black, female, or a tranny...the Democrats don't have a lot to offer.

What the hell is everyone talking about? Women are not working harder than men. Even with higher education levels.

I don’t know where everyone is getting this narrative that men are sitting at home collecting unemployment eating potato chips and playing video games while women are running the world in shoulder pads.

Even with higher education levels, only a quarter of women earn more than their husbands which hasn’t changed since 2009 AND with higher education levels, more single women, and delayed marriage and children, women still want to work less than men and they do, which is why the gender pay gap is there. On top of women still not replacing men in dangerous or shitty but high paying jobs or even tough jobs.

Again this anti-male narrative is why lefts are losing.

[quote]First, telling young white men they're entitled is exactly the kind of lefty talk that drives them to the right. Women are now far outpacing men in higher education, which means young men are being left behind economically.

And how is that happening? Have women suddenly been handed some kind of special pill, that makes them smarter and more adept? Most college/uni campuses in this country weren't even co-ed until the 1970s. Women have only recently been handed the opportunity to advance via education, and they've grabbed it and run with it, to high results. Good. What's stopping the men, who always had that privilege? Nothing that I can see.

[quote]On top of that, college educated women don’t want to date non college educated men. So now young men not only make less money but also can’t also find wives and girlfriends. The left tells them they’re entitled, privileged, and have nothing to complain about due to historic racism and sexism that doesn’t seem to actually be benefitting them personally.

It's not benefitting them personally - not anymore. And that's good, opportunity should be spread around...white men aren't disadvantaged. If they buck up, stop self-pitying and compete with everyone else out there, and they might get somewhere. And get laid in the process.

Single men still work longer than single women according to statistics.

There was a study I read once that said lesbians who live with men are less likely to earn more and work less than lesbians who live independently.

R87 Yeah affirmative action.

Dear Gen Z men:

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

(PS: Don't forget to vote!)

But will add to my post at r87 ^^ that the Dems could dial back their scolding messaging quite a bit. Finger-wagging at men (of all races) that they are entitled and privileged - when that isn't the case as much anymore - is definitely alienating a large number of them.

There is a way to create messaging that can bring them back to the fold, be more positive with less divisiveness, and note opportunities for everyone. You don't need to rub faces in the issues that cultural changes have brought on. You create policies that help people live with that, and adapt to it positively. The Republicans will never be able to offer this.

R87 Disagree. Less men getting college degrees will make college less relevant. Women are not and do not want to be the primary breadwinners of the country and do not have the work drive or ethic to replace men.

There’s already a movement happening that college is overpriced bullshit.

Men maintaining or growing in blue collar labor, union jobs, and trade jobs just makes the middle stronger which is where the votes are.

R87, No special pill was handed to women making them smarter. They have always been smarter. The world will be a better place once women completely take over.

Why all this time wasted on straight men v women? They all hate us….

FFS r87 white men have had Affirmative Action for CENTURIES. It's called being white and male. They still have plenty of social and economic advantages, lots.

They've gotten soft and lazy, and scared to compete. All while women and POC have made huge positive headway with the few handouts they've been thrown in recent decades.

Get your lazy ass off your momma's basement couch, adapt to the reality of the world and get busy. Things would improve overnight.

r93 agree about women's higher intelligence. But the world won't be any better if one gender controls the other. Balance is key. Both genders want many of the same things: peace, housing, stability, sex/love, opportunity. The successful political future party will get this and capitalize on it.

It's simple. People are getting dumber and dumber. If something doesn't change the USA will be a country of cretins by the end of the century.

[quote] Men maintaining or growing in blue collar labor, union jobs, and trade jobs just makes the middle stronger which is where the votes are.

That sector is not growing. Gen Z males don't want to work. They expect to get rich doing what they enjoy doing. They certainly don't want jobs where they have to report to work at 8:00am and work for 8 hours five days a week.

Oldest story in the book. When women obtain or pursue power, men freak out. They vilify them (Clinton) or ridicule them (Harris) and if that fails, they pout and whine. American men are unable to deal with a world that doesn’t revolve around them.

There are lots of women elected into positions of power, in the US and elsewhere. At least 3 women were elected to the Senate from the swing states on the very night Trump won last month. It's much too easy to just blame this on men not wanting to vote for women, and it also permits introspection to be dodged.

You need to give voters a reason to vote for your candidate. They have to see their lives improved in some way.

What were the top 3 offerings the Harris campaign had for Gen Z men?

Seems the Republican Congressional women are not a shining example of the world being a better place when women take over.

[quote] What were the top 3 offerings the Harris campaign had for Gen Z men?

- $25,000 grant to buy a house

- Tax cuts for middle-class and working-class

- Investment in education and increasing access to higher learning and skilled trades.

All intended to assist Gen Z males with the launch into adulthood. None of the above will happen under Trump. Quality of education, affordability of everything and pathways to homeownership will diminish under Trump. Any meaningful tax relief will be reserved for corporations and the rich. Everyone will be more miserable under Trump.

[quote]If something doesn't change the USA will be a country of cretins by the end of the century.

I'm sorry to break it to you R96 but it already is a country of badly educated cretins. And like you say - it's only going to get worse.

While women in some cases may be more emotional they are usually more practical and have better sense in my opinion. They also are not as driven by sex as much as men so they do less stupid unnecessary things that can cause bigger problems.

[quote]Unless you're black, female, or a tranny...the Democrats don't have a lot to offer.

Yeah the way that Biden singlehandedly saved the pension of the Teamsters. Only benefitted black female trannies.

Can someone point to one instance - or even two - where a powerful elected Democrat finger-wagged at men and blamed them for all the evils in the world?

Cause I can point to powerful, elected Republicans who did and said some fucked up shit.

100% spot on R105.

Personal experience only. Speaking to just the entitlement which may not be the right world but 'expectations' men had when I was growing up. My father and 3 brothers all cheated as if nothing. They all had base wives or girlfriends but still actively sought other women at all times. My mother and 2 sisters being completely aware this behavior. It wasn't til the little homo brother (me) found it appalling that they started to feel shame about it. Or even have conversations about it. My father never fully stopped but all my brothers eventually did as they got older and we had many conversations about it. They honestly never thought it was something they shouldn't do. Yet both my sisters went on to become MAGA wives. Seems silly now that I ever cared enough to speak out.

[quote]Gen Z Men Are Getting Honest About Why Conservatism Is Growing More Popular

The answer is simple. These uppity women won't have sex with them now that they are educated, have jobs, and can earn money and live on our own, rather than having to put up with pieces of garbage. We can't even get them pregnant and force them into marriages to be our bang nanny, bang maids, and bang cooks. We're glad Roe was overturned so now they HAVE to have the baby and they're stuck with us.

Also, our fragile egos cannot put up with women who contradict us and won't just do what we tell them.

We've pretended to be openminded and support their bullshit feminist causes, but now that conservatives are taking over, we don't have to bother pretending any more.

^Marry me

[quote]All intended to assist Gen Z males with the launch into adulthood.

Those three offerings were fine r101, and would have been helpful to a lot of younger people. But younger, Gen Z males don't want to launch into adulthood it seems. They enjoy the whiny, self-pitying misery they are mostly stuck in.

Someone (Scott Galloway?) reminded that boys develop socially more slowly than girls, and aren't as ready to launch as late teens; he advocated use of high school "red shirting" to either keep unready males back from college for a year, or send them off travelling for a gap year before school, much like European kids do now. Practices that can help bridge the male-female maturity and readiness gap.

the 1st comment at r95 was meant for r89, not r87. Sorry.

[quote]All intended to assist Gen Z males with the launch into adulthood.

Seriously?

So-called "Failure to launch" used to be a rarity - or at least rare enough that it was the butt of jokes in movies. For generations, we all simply "launched" without fanfare. Now, people need assistance, a cleared launch pad, and mission control making all the decisions for them.

If these idiots weren't going to make my life so much worse with their childishness and tantrums, I simply laugh.

As it is, I actually have to care that they're incompetent as adults, immature as people, and entitled as fuck.

[quote]Did you see the election reactions? MAGA chicks were generally hotter and appeared saner than the homely, deranged feminists on the left, who shaved their heads on camera and threatened to divorce their husbands.

The breathtaking beauty of MTG! Boebert! Sarah Huckabee Sanders! Kim Guilfoyle! So hot and so SANE!

The MAGA philosophy and moder-day conservatism is wholly rooted in misogyny and racism. I just read that there won't be any House Committee female chairs for the first time in decades. Progress!

R39 wis hands down

R112 It's rent, buddy. Check the average rent for a shared house or apartment wherever you live. Then think back to what it was 25 years ago.

R101 these are useful ideas (of course that can be debated like any public policy) and I agree, better than what Trump was offering. Of course they would help young women as well (and probably just as much) as young men, except perhaps the programme to increase access to skilled trades.

But how effective was the messaging targeted at young men to bring these policies to their attention? I know there are people like Hasan Piker out there but was there a sustained effort to get the pitch out to this audience using people like him?

I also think Obama really, really fucked up when he went out to scold black men for being unenthusiastic about Harris and called them all sexists. Even if he has a point (debatable), that conversation really didn't need to be started in that way, at that time just a few weeks before the election. When you want people to vote for you you need to win them over by showing them how their lives will be made better, not using one member of the elite to shame them for not liking another member of the elite. It wasn't quite as bad as Hilary's 'deplorables' moment, but it was from the same stable.

[quote]8. I'm a 21-year-old trans man from the deep south. It's me. Hi, I'm the problem. It's me.

[quote] They’re mad because they’re not the first choice of anyone anymore.

Not really. Dems bend over backward for every other group. Meanwhile, males have the highest rate of suicide in the country and women have higher rates when it comes to education. The Left has made it clear that men are responsible for all the evils in the world. They’re basically worthless and have contributed nothing. You’re admitting that they should just stay with the other side. Unfortunately, the rest of the country is joining the other side as well. Are you going to say that they too are upset that they’re not the first choice anymore? The Left has a real problem degrading men and categorizing everyone else, attaching privilege and victimization to groups. They don’t see people as individuals. In that sense, it’s very communistic and it’s going to continue being a real problem for them in the future. This collectivist bs has to end.

[quote] The MAGA philosophy and moder-day conservatism is wholly rooted in misogyny and racism.

Then why are the majority women and now minorities voting for it? You need to dig deeper.

Boys have been structured to feel lousy about themselves since the 1970s in the effort to elevate girls to what we were told would be parity. Women wimping out on passage of the ERA made me shrug off that sex’s serious concerns.

Oh bullshit. Men are such Victims! Not. Anyway, you can wait until hell freezes over before you find one "honest" conservative. Conservatism by its nature is not honest so cannot be honestly admitted.

[quote][R112] It's rent, buddy. Check the average rent for a shared house or apartment wherever you live. Then think back to what it was 25 years ago.

Failure to launch is about a lot more than simply not moving out.

If the cost of housing is an issue, you can live at your parents' home, but still have a full-time career job, pay your own bills, cook and clean and NOT depend on mommy to wipe your butt for you.

Failure to launch is about not being a competent adult on your own who is unable to manage, let alone pay, yhour own bills or handle the bare minimum of household chores involving cooking, cleaning, laundry, and yes BATHING daily without help from your mommy and daddy.

Sure, it's a failure of parents not to require children to be reponsible and held accountable. Helicopter parents are reaping what they sowed, but the rest of us are also being punished right along with them.

I'm not convinced that needing help to bathe and cook as an adult is a widespread problem in Gen Z. They're probably better prepared domestically than Boomer men were.

Straight white men are still on top of the food chain. But I will hand it to the rich and powerful straight white guys who have masterfully convinced the regular white guys and now an entirely new generation of white guys that they're being fucked over by people who don't have the power to fuck them over. You're not getting pussy; you're not a billionaire because you can't get your content creator gig off the ground; yeah, let's blame all those others.

I just find it fascinating how the same people who constantly chant 'fuck your feelings' and owning the libs and feasting on liberal tears, can't take some gentle ribbing.

It's not even that. You'd think they would know that most of the media they consume is billionaire propaganda and not to be trusted, but they seem to have no awareness of that at all. We've managed to raise a generation of people who know nothing of human nature.

[quote]This is just too much effort, so idiots like Rogaine and rapist Tate tell these fools that having to WORK in order to make money is because women and minorities hate them.

r82 Question. I can understand the Andrew Tate hate because he's an objectively horrid human being, but I don't quite understand the Joe Rogan hate. I've watched some of his content and haven't seen him say anything remotely offensive. It's just a bunch of cigars and rambling about DMT, elevated states of consciousness, health, and mancave conspiracy theory rants about topics such as the Black Knight satellite.

What is the gripe with him, specifically?

Maybe the reason is not that they are stupid or brain washed or incels or insecure or.... Maybe Conservative ideas simply resonate more with them than what the Left is offering them these days.

R61 Have you ever watched divestor channels? That Cynthia G and women like her hate black men more than the KKK lol

What do conservatives wish to “conserve”, anyway?

A past in which white males were unquestionably at the top of the food chain. And everybody else knew their place.

It’s not exactly rocket science to see why that would appeal to the current generation of young white men, who are now being told they have to compete on an even playing field with women and POC.

Why is this even a question?

People of all races are tired of Dems beating the racism drum. The world has moved on.,

The Democratic Party has labeled itself the party of females and POC. White men are the devil. Why should they vote for Democrats. Latinos and black men are now jumping ship also. Calling men names is not the answer either. Losers, stupid, brainwashed … Just more dumb strategy from the party of the smart people.

Can you please point to an incident of a powerful elected Democrat calling men names. Can you please show me where the Dems "labeled" themselves the party of females and POC?

They never did it. They made room for these groups, sure. But they never, ever, ever said that white men weren't welcome. It's the Rs who accuse them of that.

By the way, none of this is the reason Trump won. He got as many votes in 2024 as he got in 2020. It was the Biden Dem voter base who didn't show up. Why? I'm not sure. I think it was a combo of Gaza and inflation.

It was a combination of Dem voters staying home and movement of POC to Trump. This was especially notable in big cities. It affected the popular vote not so much the electoral vote. Harris toned it down but the Democrats have been identity politics central for years.

Maybe you got the hint when Biden said he’d only pick a black female for VP? No other candidates need apply.

R132 Obama doesn't call anyone names in this clip, but it's catastrophically tone-deaf anyway. He attacks black men for not voting for Harris, and calls their reasons 'excuses' to hide their misogyny. He suggests they like 'putting women down' and goes on to call their decision 'not acceptable to me'.

Errrm, excuse me, but aren't we supposed to pretend politicians are public servants? Where tf does he get off telling voters their choices are 'unacceptable' to him? Isn't that just another way of saying 'We're entitled to your vote?'

What possessed him to do this just before an election?

Obama might be right that misogyny is the determining factor in the decision of a significant number of black men to abandon Harris for Trump, I don't know, but even if he was, this was still a really stupid thing to say in that way just before the election. Which campaign has ever won by scolding and talking down to voters?

r39 nailed it

r131, good luck with all those tarrifs

R134, scolding seems to be the default mode of Progressives, and by extension, much of the Democratic party.

My simplistic take is that women don't mind being scolded by politicians and talking heads because they identify with the scolder (the "Mom"). But very few men respond well to scolding.

There's a big difference in tone between, "suit up and let's go, because we're gonna do great things" and "look at you! You should be ashamed of yourself!"

You could deliver the same message, but with a different tone, and probably get better results. But the Progressives ain't ready for that discussion.

I love the narrative that Trump's win was some sweeping change win. He won because a bunch of lazy Biden voters stayed at home. This was not some sweeping change/generational shift election. This was not Ronald Reagan in 1980.

I see a lot of you taking your grievances with social media and influencers and grafting that onto the Democratic Party and blaming the party for crazy social media shit.

I'm sorry that the Democratic Party isn't racist enough for you, or anti-trans enough for you, or anti-gay enough for you, or is too cozy with black people for you, or isn't pro-white guy enough for you.

But stop trying to frame Trump's 1.3-point national/250,000-vote swing state win as some repudiation of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party does not hate white men, young or otherwise. Look behind the scenes at who's running everything.

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The country took one look at the Dems and gave the GOP a massive 3-0 win. A fucking sweep. Th Dems could not even win one battleground state.

You can put as big a happy face on that as you want.

R95 And white women have always been the primary beneficiaries of white male privilege. You forget that the biggest anti-women’s suffrage groups were women who didn’t want the responsibility. Polls showed men weren’t fighting women’s voting rights.

But men get blamed for that just like they get blamed for anti-abortion despite more women being the leaders of just about every single pro-life organization and activism.

Women went into the workforce not just because of oppression but that the housewife role was minimized to nothing through advanced technology. Women have always been working, the privilege women just started working.

R134 Harris is anti-black male and there’s proof of it in her resume.

Black men are the only voters who have the biggest track record of voting for the party of the gays and women and still get shit on. I can see why there was a bigger conservative group this election.

“the party of gays and women”

Houston, we have a problem but we have discovered the source of the problem.

Because they’re stupid and lazy. Most of all they want an Autocratic “Daddy” to fix their problems.

[quote]The country took one look at the Dems and gave the GOP a massive 3-0 win. A fucking sweep.

Massive? Do you also believe Grinder inches?

The Republicans were always expected to take back the Senate based on the seats up for election. The best the Democrats were hoping for was 52/48 with an R majority. The House is pretty much where it was before, and you would think with the massive gerrymandering in red states, their numbers would have been even higher.

You're right; the Republicans took all three, but not overwhelmingly, and they will govern like they have a mandate - which they don't and will be their undoing in '26.

"The country took one look at the Dems and gave the GOP a massive 3-0 win. A fucking sweep."

I took one look at R139 and almost puked my guts out. Can anybody be such a sniveling cocksucker in real life? "Daddy Donald, please protect poor little me."

Bitch please, Donald Trump and the assholes he's installing in his cabinet can barely run their own lives, much less this nation and its citizens. Unfortunately, the moron at R139's vote counts the same as someone who is sane.

"Conservatism" = bigotry + racism

R145 I love it the Dems lose the WH, the Senate, the House, and for decades the courts and dancing Dems will put a happy face on that by explaining its not as bad as it looks.

Baaaaaaaaaaaa

MAGA TRASH ALERT MAGA TRASH ALERT MAGA TRASH ALERT lane R148

r148 Because the Democrat Party is now the out of touch with the common man party. There is a reason that most of their constituents are highly educated and raking in six figures.

I don't know when the Democrats lost so much of the working class, but they really are heavily dependent on elevating incidents of sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and racism because that is now the main way they are retaining voters at this point.

"There is a reason that most of their constituents are highly educated and raking in six figures."

Link, please. Otherwise you're just pulling shit out of your prolapsed asshole. And citing a quote by some Faux News does not count. You are delusional as your deranged commie namesake.

Another moron who believes Donald J. Trump is a populist and out to help the working man. We'll see what a friend Trump & Company is of the working man in 2028, when Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid have been gutted; worker protections watered down, child labor laws overturned, overtime laws have been decimated; health care is only for the extremely wealthy and the many, many slums of American are far worse than anything Dickens could describe.

The goal of the 2nd Trump administration is the elimination of the working/middle classes, and gullible, low IQ assholes like you will march in lockstep unison with him every step of the way.

[quote]Link, please.

r151 You really could've looked this up yourself but sure. I'm also not going to argue with you because you genuinely seem like a terrible person who likes to argue in bad faith.

^ That 58% of lower income voters is, no doubt, coming from their Black voting bloc. If Democrats were to lose a chunk of the Black vote to 3rd party candidates and/or Republicans, you'd notice that most of their constituents are, indeed, high income. That is why I said they have to elevate incidents of racism. It really is the only factor retaining most of their lower income voters.

But let's not allow reality to get in the way of a good tantrum on the internet.

Ooh, here's a good one from the NYT. Be sure to take your beta blockers before viewing, r151.

[quote]Liberal Hypocrisy is Fueling American Inequality. Here’s How. | NYT Opinion

Pompous blowhard alert @R152/R153/R154.

The only hyprocisy in America today is Trump and Republicans, dressed in their finest faux patriotism and faux Chrisianity, pretending to be concerned about the "average American." The only thing these liars, thieves and con artists want to do is strip the US Trrasury completely bare leaving 98% of Americans destitute.

Self proclaimed pseudo "intellectuals" naming themselves after a pervert who got his rocks off by watching people being tortured, are apparently fine with that.

[quote]Self proclaimed pseudo "intellectuals" naming themselves after a pervert who got his rocks off by watching people being tortured, are apparently fine with that.

What are you talking about? I named myself after an anime character. I was watching the show when I created my account.

Some Z bro is triggered af

[quote]The goal of the 2nd Trump administration

...was to keep Donald Trump from going to jail and to go on a revenge tour. Goal #1 accomplished. Goal #2 to commence January 20 at 12:00 PM.

Now that he's admitted that he can't do anything about $6 eggs, I'll just sit back and laugh and laugh and laugh at all the poors. Dumb dumbs.

Laughing at the poor..and you wonder why Dems lose elections. I’m hoping Dems pull it together in 26 and take over the House. But the party is so full of deluded losers that may not happen.

Why shouldn't I laugh at a bunch of people who continue to vote against their own interests because a snake oil salesman, who hates the same people they hate, sold them a bill of goods. Suffer.

The billionaires are to blame for the truly unprecedented campaign of lies. The bloodbath that will ensue when the public takes them on will be something that makes Robespierre look like a humanitarian.

r161 = one of the few in this thread who actually has some sense.

R161 Yes, in the United Soviet States of America, and in your dreams.

Poor young straight guys. Life is so tough. Boo hoo.

Figure it out and learn to cope, like we had to.

Gloria Steinem caught a lot of shit for diagnosing one reason why Hillary lost in 2016: "The girls wanted to be where the boys were, and the boys were with Bernie."

But she's correct. Straight women want dick and a meal ticket — entirely on their terms.

They want unlimited professional power but also the ability to turn that off on a dime and be completely paid for.

Can't blame 'em. If I had a pussy, I'd try to cash in too.

^Wow! I'd never looked at it like that. But I've known so many whip smart intelligent women with ambition easily revert to being taken care of at the first opportunity. Many becoming Karens.

R163 has no concept of what is really going on. The lies Trump had to spin all pointed to a demand for government control of prices, but we're supposed to believe this means conservative principles are triumphant? They are not and never will be.

The public wants MORE regulation of private business, not less. And the public is going to get its way sooner or later.

There’s a strange double standard in hetero gender relations. Young women have lots of power and can do anything a man can do… but also want to be pampered and coddled by a man. For example, men are still expected to pay for date nights despite Gen Z women earning more than Gen Z men on average.

Because the heteros haven’t been able to normalize and modernize their relationships, young women want all of the best of liberated modernity and also all the best of “tradition.” Of course, that means that young men and young women alike end up desperately unhappy with their lots in life.

Add in the toxic dynamic of online dating, and it gets even worse.

[quote]R6 … if you were nearing your mid 20s and no man ever agreed to fuck you despite trying your very best to attract one

Can’t the incels hire an escort??

[quote]Now that he's admitted that he can't do anything about $6 eggs

It’s the VICE President who controls the price of eggs.

Can Mr. Trump pardon DL heartthrob Chris Watts?

When the price of eggs doesn’t come down, the working people are quickly going to get tired of seeing Elon Musk’s hideous face on TV every day.

None of the Magats on DL are hetero. They are all gay. Very gay, even when married to women.

Pish tosh R174, they clearly know everything about women, like R166 and R169

"[R161] = one of the few in this thread who actually has some sense.

—mao"

So says the admitted fan of purple unicorns festooned with pretty bows and glitter.

R165 And this is why I said in this thread all the male bashing in the name of female empowerment will all fail because that’s exactly what a lot of women’s goals are. They want to be independent women until they find the right man so they’re never going to dominate society. You can say they’re dominating society right now and it’s on the brink of collapse.

r170 no, it's pretty expensive - and a lot of people find that idea humiliating or not sufficient. it isn't about just doing sex, it's about what knowing you are repulsive and completely unwanted does to their self-esteem and perception of women combined with a torrent of online propaganda designed to radicalize them.

Male aggression/testosterone aren't going away. The Democratic Party is sorely lacking in both qualities. Enough with the white man evil patriarchy mantra. What kind of aggressive male wants to be a punching bag? He'd rather vote for a con man like Trump.

You're a bigger fake/fraud than Trump himself, turd @R179. Stop with the faux machismo. You're making yourself look more stupid than you already are.

So many opinions, essays, hot takes, wrong takes, deep dives and cray cray about this topic. Good, I guess. The reality of Nov 5, why it went the way it did and what it means for American politics in the near future, does need to be considered with clear eyes. And this long depressing winter of 2024-25 is the least wrong time to try to hash it out.

[quote]Laughing at the poor..and you wonder why Dems lose elections.

No one is laughing at the poor...they're laughing at the idiocy of those who believed that Trump would actually be able to lower grocery or egg prices, and voted thusly. And it wasn't just poor folks who believed this, it was those from every class.

I didn't believe it, not even when Kamala said it. And I'm poor.

But having a couple of college degrees helps.

[quote]So says the admitted fan of purple unicorns festooned with pretty bows and glitter.

r176 What the blazes are you even on about, here?

This is an interesting article from April 21, 2016 (pre-Trumpism era). I think many liberals, on DL specifically, would do well to give it a read-through and perhaps attempt at even the smallest act of introspection.

If you truly care about this country and winning elections, I don't understand why doing so is such an unthinkable practice to many individuals.

^ For those with less time, here's a video summary of the article I posted at r185.

Americans have long been individualistic, anti-intellectual, and anti-institutional. The highest political crime is hypocrisy, so many go easier on politicians who actively do terrible things than those who seek insincere or fall short of unimpeachable moral purity.

So here we are, with liberals ripped apart for making voters feel bad about themselves, even while helping them with health care, student loans, infrastructure, and tax relief.

Getting 100% the government we deserve.

R185, that was sobering. I think, though, for a lot of my friends and acquaintances, they would rather lose elections sure in the certainty that they're smart, and they're right, than win elections by appealing to people they consider their moral and intellectual inferiors. Unfortunately, that's just what happened.

Dump the Trans.

Nonsense R188. Trumpists are not downtrodden. They are arrogant and violent and have been in a war against "liberals" for decades. And what was the great crime of liberals, you ask? They were different and therefore bad. And no amount of accommodating this nonsense would win an election. The country was turning liberal as the mislabeled "greatest generation" - cannon fodder they didn't organize World War II, just fought it - died. And suddenly conservatives made a comeback. Why? Because billionaires funded the largest campaign of deception and disinformation in the history of the world to make these morons think that all moral virtue was bound up with their white maleness, along witha continual assault on public schools and education and the ridiculous glorification of STEM and academic cheating that GWBush, himself a neo-feudalist white collar criminal, made happen.

What's funny to me is that most people are liberal without knowing they're liberal.

(Forgive me -- I may have posted this rant on DL before.)

My fantasy conversation?

Do you think it's OK to have sex without being married? If so, you're a liberal.

Do you think it's OK to smoke pot or eat gummies? If so, you're a liberal.

Do you think interracial marriage is OK? If so, you're a liberal.

Do you think that if you get a girl pregnant, it's OK not to marry her? If so, you're a liberal.

Do you think that if you're hurt on the job, you should get worker's comp? If so, you're a liberal. In fact, it you think you should get unemployment, Social Security, or Medicare, you're a liberal.

Yada, yada, yada, you get the idea. People don't know what it means to be liberal, because they've been focused on all the ridiculously over-the-top bullshit the Republicans put out there to distract them. We have to remind them every single day of all the now-ordinary things they take for granted that are due to liberal policies.

And BTW, if you've never been drafted into the military, thank a liberal Boomer. And if you go to the polls to vote for the first time when you're 18, thank a liberal Boomer.

You're welcome.

Indeed, when liberal policies are described to random people without giving party affiliation inevitably they are approved of. What the GOP is good at is bullshit, and LOTS of it, and this cycle, acknowledging discomfort and pain.

That's one of the things I've never understood about Trump. All he truly wants is to be adored by Hollywood. If he used his powers to get some real shit done beyond lining his pockets, he would get some Hollywood love.

R191 That list belongs in 1961, not 2024.

women are not being taken care of, they are very smart, that is the illusion that society has to create so that those submissive straight guys do not get their egos hurt. society can not make males perceive and realize that ghey have a real disadvantage, beginning by that fact that in nature motherhood is a right, while fatherhood a privileg, not all males can become fathers.

my straight cousin has been married with like three women and has had a bunch of relationships short and long term with them. he told me that the female is going to maje the men have the illusion that he has the power in the relationship.

they will get the man to work and support the house. he brings the money and has a wife that cooked and clean for him. wrong!!! that is until she gets pissed off and starts telling him that she is not his slave and start to complain about how the man does do nothing at home. even though he is the one that has to work his ass to support the house. it is at that moment when the straight man realizes that he has no real power and that he never really had it. now she won’t cook and do laundry for him, but he still has to go out and make money. if not, he is threatened with not seeing his kids, being dump out of the house, accuse of not being man enough for the family, given warning that she is going to live him for a better man etc etc etc. now the poor straight guy, who thought he was the dominant one see that he is pretty much being exploited. he understands that when she cooked and did laundry for him, it was because she had to, otherwise he would be nothing more than a slave, that she uses to pay the bills, for security and protection and as a sex toy.

if you truly believe that straight guys are these dominant alpha males that have a lot of control, no, they don’t.

i can tell you stories about me and my straight cousin, that whise age is the sane as mine, and how was it like growing up next to him and seeing the shit show that these miserable straight guys have to endure in order to be accepted by girls.

I was watching a focus group of young black men who were going to vote for Trump. It's wasn't about masculity or being anti-woke, or femanism. It was about "I want to make a lot of money and Trump makes a lot of money" Ergo, I am voting for the guy who knows how to make a lot of money because that means I will make a lot of money if I am on his side of things. It was that simple. Nothing else mattered. They don't see Democrats as means to personal wealth. I am sure it's the same for young white males.

r195 is up in here smokin' out the window. The whole post seemed very personal.

I have stared a virtual DL prayer group. All faiths and no faiths are welcome, All who love the US are welcome. Nazis, progressives, commies by invite only.

“Dead Lord for the love and future of the Democratic Party don’t let this be a dirty bomb (s) that arrived during Bidens term. Lord dont let this be how the Democratic Party ends”

Say that 3 times each night and PM me $3 and God will help.

He got his money by stealing it from rubes like THEM.

Some people just deserved to be fleeced. Idiots

Jesus -- some of you guys need to put down the pipe.

It's just fascinating how much white people want to be oppressed.

[quote]I was watching a focus group of young black men who were going to vote for Trump. It's wasn't about masculity or being anti-woke, or femanism. It was about "I want to make a lot of money and Trump makes a lot of money" Ergo, I am voting for the guy who knows how to make a lot of money because that means I will make a lot of money if I am on his side of things. It was that simple. Nothing else mattered. They don't see Democrats as means to personal wealth. I am sure it's the same for young white males.

Those young black men and young white men who believe that are going to be pissed once they realize the man is a wolf in sheep's clothing who hasn't done a damn thing to improve their lives. None of them will ever be another Donald Trump or get away with all the things he has. If they did half of the things Trump has, they'd be serving lengthy sentences in prison. Bad political decisions have consequences and the next four years will be a harsh life lesson for young voters not to make the same mistake again.

You have more faith in humanity R202 than I do. My guess is those men will NOT learn a lesson and instead double down and blame "libs" for not getting what they think they so rightfully deserve.

Once the WH, MAGA, the right wing dominated media, the congress, the MAGA led courts, and the progressive ps themselves etc etc have their go at it for 2-3 years progressives will be as popular as lepers or those with the plague or smallpox were back in the day.

Gen Z men need to learn how to eat pussy and be a partner to women in marriage/a relationship.

If you are using women as a masturbation device, you really are not in a marriage or relationship.

r202 Gen Z males are heavily into crypto, and they believe Trump, who is openly pro-crypto, will loosen regulations for cryptocurrency companies allowing them to reach huge gains with their crypto investments. And they may be onto something. You see what happened to Bitcoin after he was elected in November (see below).

I'd be lying if I said I, myself, didn't make huge gains in crypto investments when he was president and immediately after he got elected. XRP in particular shocked the hell out of me last month. That's my only silver lining to him getting back in office and I'm hodling onto it. Gotta stay positive somehow.

[quote]If you are using women as a masturbation device

r205 That's not a Gen Z men problem. That's a man problem. Since the dawn of time. Hell, even some DLer admitted in another thread that while he was closeted, he only used his ex-wife as a "masturbation device." Pure savagery. And purely male in nature.

[quote] I have stared a virtual DL prayer group.

Nice people don't stare.

Bunch of horseshit. Never has conservatism in American politics and history been more genius than now. It is steeped in every variety of bigotry and conspiracy trolling ignoring facts, truth, and of course history. It has become vile.

Here's a great piece related to this in the NYT.

Gift article.

MAGA makes some people a lot of money, including billionaires and the media. It’s easy and profitable to fool the rubes, as it always has been (now on a monumental scale)

[quote]progressives will be as popular as lepers or those with the plague or smallpox were back in the day

Your command of English is coming along nicely!

[quote] Do you also believe Grinder inches?

Oh, dear.

Everyone's acting like the country was super happy with everything that happened the last time Trump was president.

He was hated. He'll be hated once again.

Americans have the memory of goldfish.

When Gen Z's graduated from high school knowing nothing, they went to colleges where 90% of the instructors were Left. After being brainwashed with Liberalism for four years and now living in the real world, they know they were conned. This is the backlash. So Sad, too bad, bitches !!

[quote]After being brainwashed with Liberalism for four years

This is one of the funnier self-delusions of the Maga chuds.

Professors can barely get their students to do the required reading.

The idea that they can "brainwash" anyone is laughable.

R82 clap clap 👏

If only I had been brainwashed and told not to let R214's old man stick his dick in me, I would be so much better off. So would the world.

Little Gen Z boys and little Gen Z girls deserve each other. They're both stupid fucking cunts.

R213 can you explain why trumps ,popularity went up from 2016 to 2020 and then up again from 2020 to 2024 ( as measure by surveys) if he is so nationally hated?

We who live in the Blue Bubble , including me, were so out of touch and thus so surprised that Harris and the Dems were shut out 0-3 and trump and the gop rode to another and complete victory.

We are not popular enough with the country and in the past two months our numbers have shrunk some more.

Lying to others is one thing lying to ourselves is beyond stupid.

We are just not that popular.

Speak for yourself r219 you dumb CUUUNT! WE is YOU.

Was never under any delusion how roughly 50% of the country was pro Trump which coincides with 60% of Americans who don't have a 4 year college degree. With those numbers it was almost inevitable. Even most of the non-partisan political folk who were never got it wrong before, predicting his win in 2016 got it wrong this time.

What part of the Dems are just not that popular do you disagree with?

OK I was not talking about you. You were the one DL poster warning us that trump would win a 0-3 fucking sweep.

I bet you have lots of posts warning us of the coming defeat?

What is why the constant name calling on DL?

The only solace I have is that Dems have been hated before. We lost mightily with McGovern in the 70s and the blowout of the Mondale ticket in 1984, and then the disaster of Dukakis in the 80s….so I know a Dem can eventually win again (if there are elections…which is still debatable)

The truth (which nobody ever liked to say) is that this country is a mostly conservative country and always has been. Most social progress is a result of activism/court decisions not the vote of the people.

Young men have always leaned conservative..:but I do think that has been turbocharged with Joe Rogan/Jordan Peterson/Andrew Tate. The Dems HAVE to counter this and can’t just say “we will out-vote them”

As we have seen…that strategy doesn’t work.

Left leaning guys are more likely to get laid. Why not lead with that?

[quote]Young men have always leaned conservative

You're funny, R222! How old are you, anyway?

LMFAO, Boomers only cared about that because they were the ones most likely to be drafted. Have they ever fought like that again later in life for a group they were not a part of?

They are the reason the way that they are because everybody has made excuses for them their whole lives. Their parents, their teachers, and now their bosses are supposed to hold their hands and be really, really impressed about how 'they're changing the system' by...... not working I suppose.

Gen Z has barely experienced conservativism, particularly the wacko Evangelical/crony capitalism we have now. Just wait, they will be running from it in no time.

Everybody who's not in power is more popular than the people who are. About three months into the oncoming Trump disaster, he will be loathed.

But there'll be a 30% kernel of true believers who won't budge.

So his negatives will never go below what Biden's were.

R227, maybe their beloved Trump can send them to go fight for Putin in Ukraine!

NO, if history is prologue, Trump will be sending all those Pennsylvania Polish-Americans to Belarus to fight Poland. That or Trump is going to put the P-As in camps like the Japanese...

[quote] Left leaning guys are more likely to get laid

They’re not. Women don’t like pussified men.

[quote] Everybody who's not in power is more popular than the people who are. About three months into the oncoming Trump disaster, he will be loathed.

Nope. You simply don’t understand how hated the Left is right now in America.

Yeah it's a woman's world in many ways now and older males have run from the building. They don't want it.They know better. They're making their way in the gray economy, side hustles, whatever. They don't want to be around women. The young ones - you have to feel for them - they don't know what's really going on. They're confused by it all.

Like any of you MFers know anything about how straight women think or who they want to date. Hell, none of you know anything about what young straight men think, either.

Of course, that never kept gay men from blasting their opinions, did it?

Gay site gonna gay opiniate, toots. Why you here?

In the online dating market, for women as well as gay and straight men, looks trump all. Numerous people have tested this theory by running M4W ads featuring fake profiles of a gorgeous stud with a horrible, half literate self-description (child rapist, Nazi, etc). These fake profiles get plenty of responses from women.

Let's not pretend that a big dumb Ole Miss quarterback, posing glistening and shirtless in his football pants, wouldn't be a big hit on Grindr even if his profile said "trump 24 make america grate again lol"

To get all the news that's [bold]not[/bold] fit to print, hon.

Holy shit, the catastrophic-thinking equivalencies. They can only come from one kind of brain.

"You simply don’t understand how hated the Left is right now in America."

Said from the echo chamber that is R232's mind.

11% of respondents in the US see themselves as far left. 19% see themselves as far right, no math major but that looks like almost double to me. (2023)

And the Dems lost 0-3 in the most recent election.

More like r232s toilet bowl

In 2020, Biden won by more than Trump did in 2024. The Dems got the Senate and got two seats in GEORGIA. Any sweeping judgement you want to make about the Dems applies double for the Rs. But you'll never see that because, to you, the Rs are the legitimate rulers of the US and the Dems are alien interlopers.

[quote]Young men have always leaned conservative..:but I do think that has been turbocharged with Joe Rogan/Jordan Peterson/Andrew Tate.

Young men have always leaned conservative, while more and more young women have broken free from that leaning and are more progressive. There really is a gender split there, as time goes on and it becomes more pronounced you will see the pendulum swing back left again.

There certainly are some trolls on here pushing "the 2024 election was a certifiable disaster for Democrats/Liberals/Progressives" very, very hard.

I'm looking at the cunt @R240.

What's the fuck is their agenda, other than being Republican stool pigeons.

To demoralize, r244, and try to push us MORE to the right and insanity.

They can FOADIAGF

It's a dark time right now, and will be up until January 20th....and beyond that for a while. But remember, MAGA world is riding high now, with their "YUGE" victory last month and their loud victory laps. But come Jan 20th, the reality sets in and the real work begins. Old Joe will be fully gone, and they won't have that scapegoat to kick around anymore - it will ALL be on their shoulders, all the mistakes, missteps, and other BS.

People forget that Trump started out strong in 2016, but what were his popularity ratings by the time he left in 2021? Oh that's right...in the toilet. He'd successfully squandered any good will he'd bought himself. I see no reason the same won't happen here, twice as quickly this time. The downward slope will be steep and harsh.

[quote]Young men have always leaned conservative

Never has that been the case, young people in general have leaned liberal

Yeah, R247 -- there are a lot more idiots on DL now than there used to be.

And I've been here since 2004.

R244 exactly it’s not like we lost all four the House, Senate, Delaware and the White House. Losing all four would have been really bad.

And DL Dems want to already proclaim Harris the nominee going forward , have her give the rebuttal for the State of the Union , proving they know how to pick a real winner for 2028.

With the way unruly Repubs in the House are acting, Dems will have a slim majority for part of the time! Spartz from Indiana just announced she was leaving the caucus, for some kind of weird, word salad excuse only a MAGA would make. If only a couple of Repubs become ill, or can't be in DC for a vote, the Dems could take the lead there.

R249, I don't know who you are, or why you think you are such an expert on the Democratic Party, or why you seem to think you can accurately predict what is going to happen in the next 4 years.

Might I suggest you sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and save your manic energy and hysteria for a time closer to November of 2028, say December of 2027. We certainly don't want to listen to your horseshit for the next 4 god damned years.

r236 The same is true for men. Out of boredom and morbid curiosity, I recently ran my own little experiment on Tinder (W4M) where I had a really shitty and downright misandrist bio. The entire profile was intentionally looming with red flags. It still managed to get thousands of likes and one super like that stood out: "I appreciate your honesty." I also used my real photos and I am very physically unattractive. Objectively. Didn't matter.

Gen Z, Millennial, and weirdly/creepily enough, many Gen X men are down bad. It's pitiful.

^ Wait, 60+ is Boomer, right? Throw Boomer straight men in there, too.

R252, absolutely.

I don't know about lesbians. Do good looks triumph over personality?

In any case, Repubs are not less likely to date. The opposite: Republicans/Conservatives are more likely to be married, and have children. But my point was, in the dating market people talk a good game about Trumptards and such, but if a man is gorgeous/beefcake/a stud, all the political grandstanding often goes out the window.

What effect political views have on the prospects of weak-chinned flabsters, I don't know. I imagine shitty political views would just be the shit-icing on the crapcake. But would having good politics override their poor aesthetics?

[quote]I don't know about lesbians. Do good looks triumph over personality?

r254 I can't speak for others but for me it's a bonus. But I do find that if she's physically attractive, I'm more likely to pause and read her profile. If I see signs we wouldn't be compatible based on that, I don't care if she looks like Ana De Armas, I'm swiping left. If she's not physically attractive to me (and yes, I stay within my league), I'm swiping left.

It seems like men don't really care how horrid someone's personality is. A horny man has some of most concerningly, yet hilariously, low standards if all he wants is sex. Looks don't really factor into that either. That's how I knew all of those men were just thirsty. Because ain't no way, lol. I look like Skeletor in the face.