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Angelina is sublime.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | December 10, 2024 8:24 PM |
Just saw this movie. It was wonderful and I was surprised.
Is there a reason nobody here is discussing it, or did I somehow miss the main thread?
by Anonymous | reply 2 | December 13, 2024 3:11 AM |
I forgot it's on Netflix now. I'll get back to you.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | December 13, 2024 3:40 AM |
I guess I'll watch it at some point. I'm old. I remember Maria Callas and her great love Aristotle Onassis. Callas had a gorgeous voice. I hated the fact that they cast Angelina in that role. IMO she was completely wrong for the part.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | December 13, 2024 3:43 AM |
[quote]IMO she was completely wrong for the part.
How so?
by Anonymous | reply 5 | December 13, 2024 3:49 AM |
I lasted 15 minutes. It might be a good movie but I couldn't believe that bony Angelina as Maria. Maria was curvaceous and sexy.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | December 13, 2024 4:58 AM |
R6 Someone like a Salma Hayek type, physically, would have worked better. Someone emotional and passionate. I associate neither term with Angelina. She is dead and gone but back in the day, the fabulous Greek actress, Irene Pappas would have been perfect, except she and Maria were contemporaries.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | December 13, 2024 5:03 AM |
Perhaps it helped that I knew nothing whatsoever about Maria Callas until I watched this movie.
But I really enjoyed it.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | December 13, 2024 1:14 PM |
R2 Dataloungers (male portion) hates Angelina more than they hate Hitler and Trump combined. That's probably why
by Anonymous | reply 9 | December 13, 2024 1:27 PM |
Is it a good movie even if you can’t stand Angie?
by Anonymous | reply 10 | December 13, 2024 1:41 PM |
And what's wrong with me?
by Anonymous | reply 11 | December 13, 2024 1:46 PM |
Maria was only curvaceous before she got famous, and she was never sexy. Elegant, sure.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | December 13, 2024 1:48 PM |
She was from Brooklyn. Immigrant!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 13 | December 13, 2024 10:41 PM |
It was a creative turn for Angelina Jolie. The film captured Maria Callas looking back on her life- especially under the male gaze- during her last days. The Mandrax motif was interesting. Onassis (and other men, like the French reporter) was her Man Dracula... siphoning away her confidence. When Marilyn was on stage, Maria commented on her voice and Onassis said: "no one cares about her voice, just like no one cares about your body" was shade. After that, she started to quietly disappear; drowning in her memories. She started off not ever wanting to listen to her own voice on record, but ended up leaning onto it as her last resort.
Angelina Jolie gave Maria range. You saw the change more when the 3rd Act began and Maria felt liberated by her sister telling her to close the door to her past. Maria responded that she "can't" because "that's the way the music gets in". I love that ending when Maria last sings. It's true Callas was a little bit fatter, but this story is during her final days of drugging herself - which is what the first act felt like: a meandering.
The cinematography was really good; some nice shots here and there. The beginning lacks close-ups, but it fits as her character is meant to be distant/withdrawn at that point in the story.
It was a poignant requiem for Maria Callas. Deserving of Oscar consideration.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | December 14, 2024 5:02 PM |
SHE IS FABULOUS!
by Anonymous | reply 15 | December 14, 2024 5:28 PM |
I wouldn’t call Maria‘s voice gorgeous. But definitely dramatic.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | December 14, 2024 6:01 PM |
r6 Her flawed voice embodied emotional depth, unique character, technical mastery despite limitations, compelling dramatic interpretation, and had significant cultural impact as that is why so many were drawn to it and her.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | December 14, 2024 6:06 PM |
^ @ r16
by Anonymous | reply 19 | December 14, 2024 6:06 PM |
Maria has it longueurs, but it's a worthy film. Callas lost 80 pounds mid-career and critics have often pointed to that weight loss to explain her diminishing vocal abilities. I thought Jolie was excellent. "I go out to dine, to be adored. I don't actually eat" (I paraphrase) suggests the quality of the script. Callas's adolescence as depicted in the film explains much about her artistic failures and her temperament. If your mother pimps you out to entertain Nazis and Fascists, I imagine that you begin to associate your singing with degradation and loss of control over your own decisions.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | December 14, 2024 6:20 PM |
r20 "If your mother pimps you out to entertain Nazis and Fascists, I imagine that you begin to associate your singing with degradation and loss of control over your own decisions." Her life story.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | December 14, 2024 6:32 PM |
I'm so tired of these biopics. They're so formulaic. It currently has a 63 Meta Score and the reviews for Angelina are positive, but the film itself is meh apparently.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | December 14, 2024 6:46 PM |
I rather enjoyed it. The end was pretty stirring. Well told and eloquent, Angelina is in her Grand Dame phase with this. I'm a big Callas fan and definitely approve. She should do more roles with this kind of scope.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | December 15, 2024 1:16 AM |
AJ was very good. But the movie is pretentious and very boring.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | December 15, 2024 1:24 AM |
R24 Oh so like Jackie and Spencer? I mean, were we expecting some kind of revelation from the same director?
by Anonymous | reply 25 | December 15, 2024 1:29 AM |
It's not at all a pretentious or boring movie. It was excellent. The musical choices were superb. Angelina was great as Maria. A gem from Pablo Larrain! If reviews are anything to go by, it is 73% on RT, not 63.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | December 15, 2024 1:32 AM |
Agreed r1 and the script was well written. The director told a beautiful story. Maria is an eloquent piece.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | December 15, 2024 1:36 AM |
I'm kind of all Romaned out by Gladiator 2. Not into flat musicals either. This one would be it for me. It was like a hallucination blended with her music.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | December 15, 2024 1:48 AM |
My favorite film this year. Quiet and emotive. It's just right for Maria Callas.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | December 15, 2024 1:51 AM |
R30 yeah, because if anyone was "demure" it was La Callas
by Anonymous | reply 31 | December 15, 2024 2:54 AM |
I also only lasted about 15 minutes - boooooring
by Anonymous | reply 32 | December 15, 2024 4:34 AM |
I loved it visually, wonderful locations, grand rooms, some terrific imagery. I liked some of the dialog. But seeing Maria depressed and adrift through the last weeks of her life makes for an inert, overlong movie. I remained interested but was never moved or convinced.
And while Jolie certainly knows how to act the diva, when you see clips of the real Maria Callas at the end of the movie, you realize how inadequate Jolie is. Callas had a remarkably expressive face, Jolie barely changes expression. Callas had warmth, humor, life — she was a zesty, bigger than life, temperamental Greek. Jolie is a cold fish.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | December 15, 2024 4:41 AM |
One of the best movies of the year. AJ really nailed Callas.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | December 15, 2024 4:52 AM |
Just watched it.
I kinda loved it. It was like a gentle waltz through a woman's life, who happened to have an extraordinary gift.
It was quite enjoyable. Angie was damn good, but I think the director was the star.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | December 15, 2024 5:35 AM |
I love Jolie and I love opera.
But this movie was a slow-moving bore
by Anonymous | reply 36 | December 15, 2024 6:10 AM |
Jolie was terrible in the opera scenes.
Her “acting” didn’t come close to the fire Callas brought to the stage.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | December 15, 2024 6:11 AM |
NON. Ecrasez l'infame!!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 38 | December 15, 2024 6:22 AM |
R22 is clueless. Whatever the film’s merits, it’s the opposte of formulaic.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | December 15, 2024 6:36 AM |
Jolie is emotionally intense in the movie but not fiery like Callas was. I never for a second forgot that I was watching an Anglo actress downplaying a Greek woman. But I liked the film as a whole.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | December 15, 2024 6:38 AM |
R26 Maria had a 63 Metascore which has currently dropped to 61⬇️
by Anonymous | reply 41 | December 15, 2024 6:53 AM |
[Quote] I'm so tired of these biopics. They're so formulaic. It currently has a 63 Meta Score and the reviews for Angelina are positive, but the film itself is meh apparently.
[Quote] R22 is clueless. Whatever the film’s merits, it’s the opposte of formulaic.
Actually, R39 I wasn't specifically speaking of Maria which I haven't seen but biopics in general. as being formulaic;
by Anonymous | reply 42 | December 15, 2024 8:34 AM |
R42, this one really isn't. It's chronicles the last week of Maria's life as she tries to (maybe) sing one last time. We get flashbacks to very specific points in her life in between the comings and goings of that final week.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | December 15, 2024 9:15 AM |
Half the film is her hallucinating. It’s not a biopic—it’s an observation of her psyche in the last week of her life.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | December 15, 2024 9:22 AM |
I couldn't take more than 10 minutes of those perpetually pursed "I'm-playing-a-legendary-diva" duck lips. I just find her too hammy and ungenuine. She just never rings true. And I don't even like Callas.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | December 15, 2024 1:03 PM |
I think AJ is a good actress. But completely miscast in this part.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | December 15, 2024 1:11 PM |
Am I the only one that's surprised Pablo Larrain is straight?
by Anonymous | reply 47 | December 15, 2024 2:10 PM |
R1 Is she really? I think I might check it out. People talk a lot of shit about Angie but she is one of the beautiful ones that can actually act.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | December 15, 2024 2:56 PM |
R43 I watched it on Netflix and found it both formulaic, cliched. boring and pointless. We see her life via flashback as we watch her sad last days in her lavish apartment. What about this film did you find original to say nothing of interesting?
by Anonymous | reply 50 | December 15, 2024 5:21 PM |
In structure and narrative, it sounds a lot like La Vie en Rose. How similar is it?
by Anonymous | reply 51 | December 15, 2024 8:00 PM |
Not as good.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | December 15, 2024 8:05 PM |
Fuck this bitch and this movie! Gia was Jolie's only good movie, and that's because she was surrounded by an amazing supporting cast.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | December 15, 2024 8:11 PM |
R51 less actual flashback, more end-of-life dream fever. Otherwise, of similar quality, although Edith is inherently more of an emotiional investment than Maria. Tilt goes to Cotilliard.
That’s the way it is…
by Anonymous | reply 54 | December 15, 2024 8:11 PM |
Angie was heavily being touted for the Oscar. But that was before the film was released.
This appears to be a strong year for actresses. I suspect she will be left off the list.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | December 15, 2024 8:15 PM |
She was awesome in Mr. and Mrs. Smith R53.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | December 15, 2024 8:18 PM |
Yes—i loved when she yelled out: Watch out, he’s got a nug!
by Anonymous | reply 57 | December 15, 2024 8:48 PM |
I'll have to watch it. I don't mind an actor playing a famous person if they're believable. I thought Angela Bassett as Tina Turner did a worthy job.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | December 15, 2024 9:22 PM |
Wow, not good. I like Angelina but she was a zombie in this. Granted, portraying the last days of Callas sounded like a lugubrious idea in the first place but even the flashbacks were lifeless. I couldn't finish it.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | December 15, 2024 10:02 PM |
R58 did you not read the thread? This is no biopic. There’s no house with a view in Baldwin Hills. There’s no coffee shop scene.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | December 15, 2024 10:27 PM |
Every movie about Callas has been the same: few weeks before her death and she hallucinates about her life
by Anonymous | reply 61 | December 15, 2024 11:51 PM |
Which other movies? Ass
by Anonymous | reply 62 | December 15, 2024 11:51 PM |
R62, fuck you
Two movies are:
Callas Forever (by Zeffirelli) and Maria by Callas
by Anonymous | reply 63 | December 16, 2024 12:00 AM |
Do they have La Divina dying a suicide OD or the frauen preferred "broken heart" ?
by Anonymous | reply 64 | December 16, 2024 12:16 AM |
[quote]This appears to be a strong year for actresses. I suspect she will be left off the list.
I think she'll still make it, just because so many Oscar voters will watch it on Netflix. It helped Bradley Cooper last year to get nominated.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | December 16, 2024 12:26 AM |
Neither of the two movies—one of which is over 20 years old, the other of which is a documentary—covers only a weeks before her death with hallucinations about her life.
Take a hike.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | December 16, 2024 12:32 AM |
R64 she dropped dead, just like in life.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | December 16, 2024 12:33 AM |
It is a terrible movie and she is not up to the task. It’s even worse than the same director’s godawful Diana film.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | December 16, 2024 1:00 AM |
I'm sorry, OP, but I don't speak jive.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | December 16, 2024 1:35 AM |
The film is getting terrible reviews. I wonder what Faye is thinking.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | December 16, 2024 1:55 PM |
[quote] Neither of the two movies—one of which is over 20 years old, the other of which is a documentary—covers only a weeks before her death with hallucinations about her life.
Callas Forever absolutely does
by Anonymous | reply 72 | December 16, 2024 5:01 PM |
Entirely different storylines. You must high on Madax.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | December 16, 2024 5:05 PM |
Angelina is not winning the Oscar, but she's likely to be nominated.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | December 16, 2024 5:08 PM |
[quote] Neither of the two movies—one of which is over 20 years old, the other of which is a documentary—covers only a weeks before her death with hallucinations about her life.
Who cares if one is 20 years old and one is documentary? The original challenge was "Which other movies? Ass"
And here are two other movies, ass.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | December 16, 2024 5:27 PM |
Merde.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | December 16, 2024 5:29 PM |
R75. can’t read between lines—bless its heart.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | December 17, 2024 1:28 AM |
R77, realizing he looks stupid not knowing there were other movies about Maria Callas, changes the question, hoping no one will notice.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | December 17, 2024 3:28 AM |
I'm watching it now and so far I like it. I'm hoping to see her butler naked by the end. Pierfrancesco Favino is fucking hawt.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | December 17, 2024 3:54 AM |
Angelina, too much lips and not enough nose.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | December 17, 2024 3:56 AM |
We Took Angelina Jolie to the Opera. She Found ‘a Poetry to It All.’
by Anonymous | reply 81 | December 17, 2024 7:49 AM |
^ at least it would do some BO
by Anonymous | reply 83 | December 17, 2024 3:46 PM |
On this one, I agreed with The Times: "But what we get here isn’t interesting, and it’s not told in an interesting way." I was bored shitless, got tired of the design porn, and thought Jolie was ridiculous to the point of Camp in the part.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | December 17, 2024 3:51 PM |
BUMP^^^
by Anonymous | reply 85 | December 17, 2024 10:48 PM |
It's clear why Jolie wanted to do it: she gets to look fabulous in practically every scene and emote heavily. But she looks and seems nothing whatsoever like Callas., and it's a pretty bland performance.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | December 18, 2024 2:11 AM |
The weird thing is even though it's not very good, while I watched it I kept thinking about how much i would have loved it as a young gayling. Maria callas says ridiculously self-important things about her voice and her fame, and everyone else around her does the same thing. Then she orders everyone around her to do difficult and non-essential tasks to please her, and they do them just to make her happy.
It's the gay fantasy of being a princess from outer space, basically. Everyone bows down to your wishes, everyone agrees you are the most fabulous thing in the universe (and takes turns with you declaring it in flowery language), and yet you're still not happy.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | December 18, 2024 5:03 PM |
I'd rather watch a biography of Faye Dunaway. She's far crazier than Maria ever was
Michael McDonald nabs a short-lived gig as Faye Dunaway's comedy coach after a chance encounter at one of his shows.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | December 18, 2024 8:48 PM |
The purpose of this movie is to show that Angelina Jolie is every bit the grande dame that she imagines Maria Callas to be. She swans around with faux elegance, every inch a pretentious movie star.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | December 18, 2024 8:52 PM |
Does Angelina just speak in her voice or does she put on some sort of accent?
by Anonymous | reply 90 | December 18, 2024 8:53 PM |
Maria Callas was born in the United States and her family later moved to Greece. Angelina speaks with a slight Grecian accent which is perfectly acceptable. The problem with the film is that it's just not interesting and it has absolutely no depth whatsoever.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | December 18, 2024 10:04 PM |
[Quote] Callas had warmth, humor, life — she was a zesty, bigger than life, temperamental Greek. Jolie is a cold fish.
I had to stop reading and quote r33 here because they're exactly right...she did not capture Callas AT ALL and this is why she was poorly cast. She barely emotes with her face too, not sure if she's had work done and it's inhibited her acting...then again she was never a good actress.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | December 19, 2024 1:22 AM |
Ennui
by Anonymous | reply 93 | December 19, 2024 1:24 AM |
Thank you Neville
by Anonymous | reply 94 | December 19, 2024 3:34 AM |
Saint Angelina was deeply concerned about the effect the "deep pain" she expressed in the film would have on her children. She is so inexcusably, dully, pathetically full of shit. Absolutely anybody else would have been better in this role.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | December 19, 2024 6:46 PM |
Is Angie over? Seems like it. The movie bombed. Her personal life eclipsed her professional life years ago. Even beauties, maybe especially beauties, age out.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | December 20, 2024 11:27 PM |
[quote]She barely emotes with her face too, not sure if she's had work done
She has had a shit ton of work done.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | December 21, 2024 12:34 AM |
Is Angie over?
According to IMDB she has one film in production and three in pre-production. Plus if she gets an Oscar nomination for Maria ...
by Anonymous | reply 98 | December 21, 2024 1:28 AM |
She has never done that many films. She picks and chooses for quality
by Anonymous | reply 99 | December 21, 2024 1:52 AM |
if Eternals, The Tourist, By the Sea, Salt, Those Who Wish Me Dead and Wanted are quality I dread to think what she turned down R99. Her filmography is singularly underwhelming.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | December 21, 2024 2:42 AM |
"By the Sea" has to be the biggest snoozefest in cinematic history. Brad drinks a lot and Angie looks at a couple through a hole in the wall. For hours!
by Anonymous | reply 101 | December 21, 2024 4:50 AM |
My father had a lot of Maria Callas records, I'm sure when I watch the music will be familiar to me.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | December 21, 2024 5:13 AM |
I loved it. Jolie will be nominated for an Oscar and may win a globe because they reward movie stars over actual talent but she won’t win best actress. Callas was not a conventional beauty, but like Barbra what she had worked for her. I found her magnetic and charismatic in the clips at the end—and she isn’t even singing or speaking. She also had flawless skin before Botox and fillers and everything that is ruining faces on screens now. Jolie never disappeared in the role, but she was better than usual.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | December 21, 2024 2:26 PM |
I thought she was atrocious.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | December 21, 2024 2:35 PM |
[quote] I couldn't believe that bony Angelina as Maria. Maria was curvaceous and sexy.
It seemed to me that Jolie had pretty much the same body type as Callas had (after Callas's weight loss, of course), and also, the bulk of the movie is supposed to take place during the last two weeks of Callas's life, when I would think it's very likely she was somewhat thinner and frailer than in her prime. And I felt Jolie's approximation of Callas's unique way of speaking, with that indescribable accent, was perfect.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | December 21, 2024 2:36 PM |
R103, it seems to me you contradicted yourself about three or four times in the course of one post. What's that all about?
by Anonymous | reply 106 | December 21, 2024 2:37 PM |
R103 I loved the movie. Jolie was good but not great. The real Callas looked different. Is that basic enough for you?
by Anonymous | reply 107 | December 21, 2024 2:48 PM |
Okay, R107. Then I disagree with you. I think Jolie very much disappeared into the role, but I realize that's very subjective.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | December 21, 2024 2:52 PM |
The movie is a monotonous bore
by Anonymous | reply 109 | December 21, 2024 4:25 PM |
The underwhelming response to the movie makes me think that Angelina is not a shoe in for an Oscar nomination. I think Mikey Madison (Anora), Demi Moore, Nicole Kidman, Cynthia Erivo, Amy Adams and Jean Marie Baptiste are more likely to get a nomination than Angelina.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | December 22, 2024 10:51 PM |
[quote]...Angelina is not a shoe in for an Oscar nomination.
Oh, dear!
by Anonymous | reply 111 | December 23, 2024 1:10 AM |
Shoulda hired Anne Hathaway or Gaga- someone who could actually sing.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | December 23, 2024 3:53 AM |
Why should they have done that in this case, R112, when the vast majority of singing heard in the movie is the actual voice of Callas? Also, OF COURSE, neither Hathaway nor Gaga could adequately sing opera.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | December 23, 2024 6:03 AM |
R114, another terrible Maria Callas biopic. I usually adore Zeffirelli's films, but that sucked
by Anonymous | reply 115 | December 23, 2024 3:17 PM |
Agreed, R115. I suppose it had its moment, but it was awful overall. As I've mentioned, Zeffirelli's old bio film of Callas is vastly superior.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | December 23, 2024 3:21 PM |
Wow. Go Miss Jolie. I'm 20 and started playing in my orchestra a couple of years ago. I particularly like Maria Callas' music. It's raw emotion. Saw the movie last night and was amazed at Angelina Jolie's portrayal. It was a beautiful movie from beginning to amazing end. Love Maria Callas more now. Of course and Angelina who really went in with that role!
by Anonymous | reply 117 | December 23, 2024 4:03 PM |
Agree r58 Angela made that movie memorable. She didn't look anything like Tina, but she gave it all. Angelina did the same here. Truly an emotional performance. I watched it a couple of times now. It's streaming!
by Anonymous | reply 118 | December 23, 2024 4:16 PM |
Angelina and Timothee Chalamet will both be nominated for their performances, despite both of their movies getting lukewarm reviews. Oscar voters can't resist a decent performance in a biopic. Renee Zellwegger won for an adequate performance in a terrible film.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | December 23, 2024 6:53 PM |
R119: Chalamet will be this year’s Taron Egerton.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | December 23, 2024 9:52 PM |
I thought Angelina was good, but the film seemed unnecessary.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | December 23, 2024 9:55 PM |
[quote] 'm 20 and started playing in my orchestra a couple of years ago.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | December 23, 2024 10:01 PM |
[quote] 'm 20 and started playing in my orchestra a couple of years ago.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | December 23, 2024 10:01 PM |
[quote] I'm 20 and started playing in my orchestra a couple of years ago.
and I'm the Queen of Sheba
by Anonymous | reply 124 | December 23, 2024 10:01 PM |
Angelina walked around with a scowl on her face. Does that make her good in the movie?
by Anonymous | reply 125 | December 23, 2024 10:02 PM |
The movie bored me blind
by Anonymous | reply 126 | December 23, 2024 10:47 PM |
R117 & r118= Angelina’s publicist
by Anonymous | reply 127 | December 23, 2024 11:02 PM |
r88 Is that fairly recent?
by Anonymous | reply 128 | December 24, 2024 3:11 PM |
r127 I'm so glad we don't live in the old days where you had to be FORCED to be around stupid people like you. I wouldn't hit you in the head with a broken violin. You are worthless.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | December 25, 2024 10:40 AM |