Chicago to be ground zero for mass deportations, Trump border czar tells Illinois Republicans

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OP you seem very desperate to post thread after thread the last short while.

Maybe so, R2, but it's still worth discussion. I wonder what parts of Chicago will get hit. There's a lot of space and O'Hare probably has capacity for flights, camps, and people, and it's eerie to even post that. We have to face this, though.

r2 do fuck off.

r3 it makes me sick to my stomach. I fear we're about to witness human rights violations on a massive scale.

Well, fuck, this is something the governors of Florida and Texas should pay for, and pay for it from state coffers, since they're the ones who set that crisis into motion in the first place.

Gee—I had thought they would start in Miami-Dade, and with poultry factories in Arkansas and South Carolina. Funny how things work out.

It's strategic move. It causes discord in a Blue State, and they can blame the governor and Mayor if it screws up the peace and the economy. They can also learn form their mistakes so they don't make them again in places where they bend the knee like FL and TX.

"We have to face this, though."

Spoken like the gutless, spineless dipshit you and Trump are.

Really? Do tell.

Chicago has been doing so well without maga help. In fact Chicago shows what the Dems can do on their own.

We have to face that Trumpies are going to do it, r8. Jesus Christ, put the pipe down or whatever the fuck is making you paranoid.

R8 we need more tough talking Internet posters., well played and continue the fight.

So says the armchair warrior and keyboard soldier at R12.

Such a hate boner for Chicago. San Francisco is so 5 years ago.

Welp, we tried to have a discussion here!

To be fair, we don't know what these "ground zeros" will look like. JFK, LAX, DFW, ATL, O'Hare and arguably Phoenix and Miami are SPRAWLING airports that could likely handle "ground zero" operations like this. Homan was speaking to a very specialized audience with the IL GOP, so the messaging was likely local.

LAX—no. The old airport out in Ontario—have at it!

Let them eat cake.

R13 you need a better crystal ball. The one you have now does not work for shit.

And here I was thinking it would be Broward county, FL which has a 70% Hispanic population. Nothing this BOZO says can be given credence

After reading the article, I'm wondering how they're going to speed up the courts. Homan says everyone will get due process. Naive to believe this? Also interesting that the "dreamers" are going to be told to stay without their parents, or leave with them. That's going to be hard to bear.

The immigration courts are 10 years behind in the docket as is. Ain’t gonna fix that, much less handle the new batches.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. You have to start somewhere.

I suggest yours takes you to the nearest nursery school, you dumb child.

[quote] The immigration courts are 10 years behind in the docket as is. Ain’t gonna fix that, much less handle the new batches.

The U.S. sent men to the moon and back using 1960s technology, less than ten years after President Kennedy set the goal. The country can figure out how to accomplish this goal and make it happen.

Sure, Jan.

R23, may your next step be right off the nearest steep cliff.

You won't be missed by anyone at the troll farm.

But see, that's the problem ,r25. Only a third of the country wants to figure out how to make this happen, a third will push back, and a third will just sit there.

Works for me. Someone has to do the work others don’t want. Someone has to help push up the birth rate. I don’t want to live in an utterly stagnant economy—for that you can go hang in Japan and see how well it has worked for them.

This guy, Homan, is the originator of the family separation policy.

Some things are more important than money. America will learn this the hard way, as will you, r29.

True r28, whatever this becomes, it won't look like the 1960s space program, at all, in any way. It will be much messier and much more convoluted.

However, it almost certainly will happen, or at least begin. A majority of Americans will continue to vote for mass deportations until they actually happen. Once they do start happening, in their inevitable messy, half-assed, overall legal but with lots of errors and injustices way, people may or may not change their minds about the whole thing. But they won't be argued out of it in advance.

What we can do is point out all the hypocrisies that r6 is getting at. No reason to accept a little system where Trump voters and Trump cronies get little winks and nods, that this doesn't mean you guys. That's one thing we should all insist on. But trying to prevent the whole thing will almost certainly fail. For one major reason, this is one of the very few times that the whores and grifters in the Trump Cult will actually have the law on their side.

Deportation is going to be brutally painful and ugly no matter how they do it. No way to stop it now. If you know people here illegally, please encourage them to take their families and seek asylum elsewhere before they might be torn apart and in camps. I suspect it will be worse than anything we have seen so far. And no amount of protesting and outrage will matter this time.

Can I be sent back to England?

[quote] If you know people here illegally, please encourage them to take their families and seek asylum elsewhere before they might be torn apart and in camps.

That would help facilitate the overall endeavor to have as many people as possible leave on their own. I think every effort should made with a combination of carrots and sticks to encourage it, leaving physical deportation as a last resort.

R32 where do propose where these deportees will be sent?

Where do you propose these deportees will be sent? —amended

Just drop them off in Cicero.

I don't propose anything r36. But the incoming Trump admin I assume will deport them back to their country of origin. Do you have an alternative to that, that a majority of Americans will accept? What should happen when an asylum claim is rejected? Anything at all?

And that's part of the problem here, and why a majority of Americans simply don't believe us on this issue. Our objections and alternatives always seem so mushy, veering between saying we totally support a well regulated border and a legal asylum system but balking at the results of that when the legal answer is deportation. We either don't know what we want, or don't want to admit what we want.

Again, the American people might well change their minds when they actually see mass deportation in action. But these objections in advance simply aren't going to work.

Here you go, r39

Yea—just send a few million to Panama and the Bahamas. Don’t be a dupe.

Yup, looks like the kind of mess that is inevitable once this all gets started r40. But convincing me it's going to be a mess isn't going to accomplish jackshit. I already know it will. Getting a majority of Americans to agree and to care is going to be the tricky bit.

The won’t agree; they will care.

I would think someone here illegally would want some say as to where they will seek asylum. They would need to research and figure that out what is best for their families. But if they wait for deportation, they will have no say in anything and will be treated as criminals.

Just another cash grab grift like Iraq was. So many people are going to get rich from this.

Subcontracts for everyone!

I'd love it if he did that, r47, but that sounds like an invitation for Trump to suspend the rule of law, Berlin 1933-34 style.

R48 Dems thinking ways to become important once again.

Pardon all the illegals.:-)

Sadly many Dems think this way.

that seems like a phenomenally stupid idea r47. He won't, which is good, but the fact that people even think it's a good idea is part of the problem here.

Pritzer better get his fat ass in gear

Oh yeah, I forgot one of our longtime racist trolls is from Chicago. Hi, bigoted cunt!

R52 Sadly, the thing about racists is they don't mind being called one.

Yeah, but others can see them identified for what they are so the racist crazy can't stealth.

"...but that sounds like an invitation for Trump to suspend the rule of law, Berlin 1933-34 style."

Trump is going to do that anyway, so Biden should just beat him to the punch and do it.

Yeah, that’s the ticket!

r49 is also:]

[quote]I'm proudly a retarded troll.

[quote]Trump is going to do that anyway, so Biden should just beat him to the punch and do it.

It would be self-immolation for the Dems, so it's better to leave the GOP to keep doing that to themselves.

It’s just Dems showing that they have not learned a single fucking thing. Nothing more or less. Or as the previous and future potus once said—-it is what it is.

Pardon all the illegals though may be the best they can come up with.

This Dem Chicagoan wouldn't live in a red state on a bet. Time to donate to legal defense funds and volunteer.

Fuck Trump and all his sympathizers on this board. No one cares if Branbdon Johnson is prosecuted. We;d be relieved

[quote] No one cares if Branbdon Johnson is prosecuted. We;d be relieved

Black and poor people in Chicago will be relieved to see illegals removed.

r61 is also:

*77 Nobel Prize Winners Write Message To The Senate: Don’t Confirm RFK Jr.*

[quote]The use of a letter signed by a list of people who are supposed to be experts no longer works as a tactic. The use of the letter falsely calling Hunter’s laptop disinformation killed it.

Why Chicago?

Oh brother ^

You're broadcasting your stupidity when you use gutter tabloid words like "dem" and "illegals", r59. Don't you want to be taken seriously?

I learned that only a moron would need to spell the whole word when “dem “ would do. Unless of course you did not understand what ‘ dem” means. And I can’t believe you are that dumb, so it’s an objection based on drama.

You want to explain how they are the opposite of illegals then go for it. Because you only have two choices legal or illegal.

And please I and I doubt anyone else here gives even a little shit how you feel about them being taken seriously.

Only a petulant child would object to gop or dem being used..

Now grown the fuck up.

R64 explain. Is Chicago a hub of illegal aliens? Why not start in Houston or LA?

Dem is Brooklynese for them. Who’s the dumb one?

Your helpless 67.

Oh dear, r69. Try and exude *some* sense of intelligence.

It was intentional, just for 67–keep it on their level.

so much inane arguing in DL threads lately.

They better not come down to JOLLY-ETTE!

[quote]Is Chicago a hub of illegal aliens?

After Gov. Abbott decided to give the people of Chicago a taste of what it's like being overrun by illegals, yes.

As I dimly recall Pritzker has said he'll prevent this from happening.

So, maybe Donald head to head with the IL national guard will be start of the civil war?

Goodness, someone is belligerent and on an asshole tear today.

[quote]As I dimly recall Pritzker has said he'll prevent this from happening. So, maybe Donald head to head with the IL national guard will be start of the civil war?

Pritzker can follow his dream of being another George Wallace, trying to block federal authority, but we already know how that story ends.

The city or the Broadway show.

[quote]Works for me. Someone has to do the work others don’t want. Someone has to help push up the birth rate. I don’t want to live in an utterly stagnant economy—for that you can go hang in Japan and see how well it has worked for them.

FYI Japan is the 4th largest economy in the word. Beat only by the US, China and Germany. And right now their economy has a higher growth rate than Germany.

Japan had over a decade of deadness. It it rapidly losing population. Germany is in recession. India will soon pass Japan.

That's just it, they're not dead r80. They're just resting, and really it's not like anyone is actually starving, or really anything horrible. And that declining population should provide a bit more room for everybody. It was always pretty crowded.

[quote]It it rapidly losing population.

And that's not such a bad thing.

With AI, automation and robotics, human work is shifting into other areas. And a smaller work force will be needed.

We need fewer people in this world.

The driver of climate change is people.

Not if you want your economy to expand.

An ever expanding economy needs an ever expanding population.

It's a Ponzi scheme.

Tell us R82, when is enough enough?

^ Sorry that post is for R83 not R82

I can't wait for crime to go down in Chicago!

[quote] Gee—I had thought they would start in Miami-Dade, and with poultry factories in Arkansas and South Carolina. Funny how things work out.

Indeed. They are starting in a blue state where they believe the migrant population is not living up to their full potential as terrorized, illegally low-wage workers.

[quote]I can't wait for crime to go down in Chicago!

Crime was on the ballot in the last mayoral election, in that it was made crystal clear to voters that voting for Johnson meant voting for higher crime. The people of Chicago with their eyes open chose higher crime. When the electorate literally votes in favor of more crime, it's not going to go down, even with the proper roundups and deportations of illegals. The only way for crime to be reduced to an acceptable level would be for Chicagoans to change their ways and vote against crime, but that's highly unlikely.

[quote] Just drop them off in Cicero.

Nowadays they'd blend right in. In fact, they may already be in Cicero and Berwyn.

So, he's planning on starting in Illinois or is he planning on using Chicago as some sort of staging area?

Please start in Chicago. I can't wait for the Prtizkers to piss their pants as their housekeeping expenses at Hyatt skyrocket. Estimates are that some 20% of cleaning and maintenance staffs in hotels are undocumented workers.

Oh, I also hope they get fined up the ass for hiring undocumented workers.

Notice in ALL the discussions by the rethugs that there is NEVER any mention of penalties for employers who hire those dirty illegals who are stealing American jobs. Oh no.

They kind of have Stockholm syndrome and accept the crime and corruption. I think the second part has become less of a thing with the old guard dying off, but crime is a concern for sure.

A majority of New Yorkers don't have a problem with taking care of the issue.

Let's see how many support it when the reality hits, the backlogs start piling up, and this turns into hundreds of thousands waiting for their "due process" in concentration camps that will be given some other fancy name. Either this will pile up into a logistical mess, or they will have to suspend "due process" and just fly people out. And while many will be ok with that to get the job done, enough won't be.

R82, you’re a complete idiot.

You are literally arguing for the human species to deliberately drive itself to extinction.

No, you're the fucking idiot. We don't need endless growth. Billionaires do. We're raping the earth, leaving large parts of the world behind, and need to scale the fuck down to take care of what we have. Nationalist, hyper-capitalist bullshit is what's in the way of this, along with idiots like you who can't fucking rise to the occasion of doing some actual thinking.

You don’t know what it’s like to visit mom on Christmas and drive past Yogi Bears Central American Campground.

R94 You are an idiot arguing for over population.

The world now has 8.2 billion people.

25 years ago the population was 6.20 billion

Were we worse off 25 years ago with 2 billion fewer people?

These people talking shit about Chicago crack me up.

Does Chicago have crime? Yes.

Is Chicago America’s most beautiful, most convenient, most affordable big city? Yes, it is also that.

Two things can be true so let’s stop acting like Chicago is Flint or Detroit. It’s far from that and very much on a similar plane to New York City.

Detroit is different than Chicago. Chicago has a vibrant core whereas Detroit life is more focused on the suburbs. Chicago has Mexican food, Detroit has Middle Eastern food. I’ll say as bad as rap as it gets it’s very underrated.

[quote] Were we worse off 25 years ago with 2 billion fewer people?

Yes we were. The world has never been more peaceful or better fed than it is right now. And that’s across the globe, not just in the West.

You’re trying to plan for a doomsday that is most likely not even going to happen.

This climate change bullshit is globalist nonsense. You know it’s true, even though you would never admit it.

The ozone layer back in the 80s was supposed to destroy humanity at some point. We managed to fix that in a few years.

Sometime after 911, all anybody could talk about was peak oil, and how we were about to run out of natural resources. Turns out that peak is a considerable amount of time into the future.

California was supposed to be in the midst of a drought that would take us back to Dust Bowl times. That didn’t happen.

It’s all fucking doom and gloom. And no, we don’t need to drive the human race towards extinction in order to fix a problem that is probabky never even going to come to pass.

Wake the fuck up.

What a bunch of unsubstantiated, anecdotal, propagandist nonsense, r100. This is what not rising to the occasion of actual thinking looks like. Get out of your silo.

Also: r100 is just a very long way of saying "I've got mine, Jack"

[Quote] Chicago to be ground zero for mass deportations

That makes NO sense. Why the hell are they going to fly two airplanes into mass deportations???

Wonder if the Mexican cartels can pull up to Chicago to make things a bit more interesting.

R100's shallow logic is fucking dangerously tempting to believe, so:

[quote]You’re trying to plan for a doomsday that is most likely not even going to happen.

It's not a doomsday. It's a slow descent of isolated events that add up to a big change over time. California had fires in the 80's, but not to the point that major cities has visible smoke a few times a year. Europe had floods and heat waves.

[quote]This climate change bullshit is globalist nonsense. You know it’s true, even though you would never admit it.

This is the anecdotal bullshit. You have no authority to make this statement, because you'd sure as hell brag about your qualifications of you did.

[quote] The ozone layer back in the 80s was supposed to destroy humanity at some point. We managed to fix that in a few years.

It took 30 years, global cooperation. and Antarctica did not get out of this unscathed.

[quote]Sometime after 911, all anybody could talk about was peak oil, and how we were about to run out of natural resources. Turns out that peak is a considerable amount of time into the future.

Could you link to the numbers that have been run on this? I guess you've missed all the money the middle east is throwing into diversifying their economies before the oil runs out, China starting to hold on to resources required to make microchips, water issues in localities all over the world, etc..

[quote] California was supposed to be in the midst of a drought that would take us back to Dust Bowl times. That didn’t happen.

See above comment on fires. Malibu is on fire IN JANUARY, for fuck's sake.

[quote]It’s all fucking doom and gloom. And no, we don’t need to drive the human race towards extinction in order to fix a problem that is probabky never even going to come to pass.

I'm sorry it's not dramatic for you.

[quote]Wake the fuck up.

You wake the fuck up. This is about your comfort and isolation, not actual facts.

Well, whatever it’s about, your extreme far left BULLSHIT has driven non-issue Americans so far to the fucking right that we are about to watch our whole damn country taken down by a reality tv game show host and his fascist, kleptocrat cabal.

Nice work.

Are you, okay r106? You type intoxicated, and I know getting smacked is bad for the old ego and all. Hope you find the peace you need.

Also, R106, watch this video before you pass out. It's not the far left you should be mad at. That's the intellectually lazy way out.

It's the out of touch Dem consultants who fucked us over from the safety of their fifth home, paid for by our donations.

It’s too bad we can’t interface immigrants who want to do work with land and/or properties in Chicago in marginal areas.

[quote]Your helpless 67.

Yet, you still haven't addressed the question. I'm not a Chicagoan. I'm a Houstonian and it seems far more suited to this Trumpian endeavor.

Lots of reasons given upthread.

R67 Chicago one of the most heavily Democratic cites in the country makes perfect sense. They can not only go after various branches of MS-13 or similar they would be doing it in a dem run city that seemed to be incapable of dealing with the massive number of killings and shootings on its own.

Chicago, not so much Detroit Cleveland Boston . Is a perfect choice.

Nice "you made me hit you" energy, r106.

Now kindly go fuck yourself with a rotary saw.

[quote] Please start in Chicago. I can't wait for the Prtizkers to piss their pants as their housekeeping expenses at Hyatt skyrocket. Estimates are that some 20% of cleaning and maintenance staffs in hotels are undocumented workers.

The same for whatever is left of Trump's hospitality business.

I imagine the illegals who work at the hideous Trump Tower will be conventionally overlooked.

People want deportations.

I see it said online that Chicago spent over $500 million dollars on illegals. The mayor and his crew can't help themselves. Any normal person would have demanded that the federal government come in immediately and deport them all.

Does Chicago even have MS-13 or Tren de Aragua? I grew up there but those were never talked about. We had gangs but with groups like the various Disciples or Latin Kings.

Over 100 different criminal gangs in Chicago. Chicago is a great place to start if you are going to start, R118

Chicago has the strongest infrastructure and the most available building space of all US major cities with a largest population of immigrants. The rest is just propaganda. They're not going to be able to deport the Southside.

If I were on the clock and worked for the new admin I’d suggest making one crime heavy city, one known to be really full of crime and dangerous, then I’d work to turn that one city into the safest city in the country.

A city that was safe to walk the streets at 3 am. I bet lots of residents would love safe streets.

The streets are largely safe on the Northside, which they will take credit for.