Trump is unhappy with the Electoral College

I hope he does away with it.

I hope does away with himself.

R1, he no more has the power to get rid of the Electoral College than he does the 14th Amendment.

r3 Sadly he has every speck of power her wants. Congress and the Supreme Court lick his hole every time he says so.

He’d need 3/4 of both houses of Congress, then 3/4 of the states. Not gonna happen.

I meant 2/3 vote of both houses & the states.

Changing the EC would require 2/3 votes of both houses of Congress and 75% of state legislatures. Red states would never give it up.

It would be interesting if Trump was tricked or manipulated into trying to do it by Executive Order, but it wouldn't be constitutional. Besides, his handlers would never let it happen. Dementia sufferers can be stratospherically obstinate, but they'd slip him the mickey before he put pen to paper.

R2's post made me giggle.

But the Presidential election is based exclusively on the electoral college results. The popular vote is a nice to know but it doesn't change the results.

Or is that wrong?

That’s correct, R9.

But the popular vote within a state determines which set of electors are chosen.

r11 Somewhat

Get rid of the Electoral College and the thugs never win another election. With or without Vlad/Leon’s help.

Of course, he’s too fucking stupid to know that. Maybe the qult will take it up and demand their states vote to abolish it.

They’re that fucking dumb to listen to that fool without understanding the consequences.

Thanks that's what I thought R10. The other thing is that no-one can "get rid" of the popular vote because it's simply how many people voted for one candidate or for the other candidate. Whoever gets the most votes therefore wins the popular vote. Trump is so full of shit.

According to this recent Pew poll "More than six-in-ten Americans (63%) would instead prefer to see the winner of the presidential election be the person who wins the most votes nationally".

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Unhappy is his default mode.

I would love this, our country would be better off!

Although a moot point because it would never happen, a popular vote only presidential election would be a terrible idea. If you think there’s already too much money in politics, think how much more would be spent if every vote is at a premium. And in very close elections, there would be endless recounts in every state to maximize every last vote. Yes, like eliminating Daylight Saving Time, an idea that sounds great in theory but one that would be disastrous in practice.

A majority of Americans have polled as pro-choice and have been for decades. EC is going nowhere, popular or not.

The Electoral College gives smaller states more influence than they otherwise would have. And certainly enough of them to never agree to a needed constitutional amendment in the wholly improbable possibility the choice would ever get to the individual states.

The problem is these proportional geographic representation schemes were conceived when our societies were more agrarian and there were more sizeable population distribution. Since industrialisation and post-industrialisation, this has caused sparsely-populated areas to get disproportional representation that is strangle-holding politics. It's no accident that the Civil War took place when industrial wealth was starting to overtake farming wealth in the US.

People are sweet when they think we'll still do anything "by the constitution."

I often wonder what the founding fathers would think about the EC, the SCOTUS, and the bizarre turn our nation has taken. Would they feel some responsibility?

There's a lot of Trumpism that's warped Jefferson.

Why doesn't he just put a tariff on it?

Ahhhhh, the memories of a similar dream....

[quote] And in very close elections, there would be endless recounts in every state to maximize every last vote.

The exact opposite is true. With the electoral vote it’s much easier to steal an election, because all it takes is a few thousand votes in one location to tip it. With a popular vote stealing an election would require counterfeiting a million votes nationwide. When Biden won he won the popular vote by millions. But if 20,000 people in swing states had switched their votes Trump would have been reelected.

It would also improve turnout, because people who don’t live inswing state feel their vote is only symbolic and often stay home.

[Quote] Trump is unhappy

Shocking! Novel! Unprecedented!

R27, instead of a recount in a handful of the Florida counties we had in 2000, there would be a nationwide recount of EVERY county in EVERY state if the national vote was close in a pure popular vote system. All the chaos & delay we experienced in 2000 would be multiplied by a factor of thousands without the Electoral College.

The EC is absurd in 2024.