UnitedHealth CEO Executed in NYC - Part III

Well, I think he's dreamy!

I hope that they never catch him.

I will repeat my theory.

He was being investigated by DOJ, maybe he was gonna flip and turn witness... someone found out and killed him.

Let's light a candle for our Boo!

He's likely paid for by a foreign government to make it look like a regular pissed off American and y'all are falling for the shit. This CEO was an easy sacrifice for the class war. Rich people don't give a FUCK about our issues.

Yes! That's it! Pay attention to R3.

[quote]He's likely paid for by a foreign government to make it look like a regular pissed off American and y'all are falling for the shit.

Nobody’s “falling for it.” Everyone can see this person is not American.

Why does he look so different in the pictures? In one he looks like the Boston Bomber, another little Italian and now this one King Tut

Would someone kindly synopsize this? I've tried, but the threads are waaaay too long to weed out the pertinent bullet points. What's "known"? Accepted as fact?

[quote]Why does he look so different in the pictures? In one he looks like the Boston Bomber, another little Italian and now this one King Tut

The pictures are all of different people.

The cops have no clue as to the real killer’s identity.

The CEO of UnitedHealthcare was murdered, r9.

Such a strong word, R11. His claim to life was simply denied.

Datalounge has fallen in love!

R3 could very well be right. I thought that was a possibility as well, though I far prefer it's an act of avengement against the insurance mafia.

UHC CEO is no DeGaulle

To the bee-yotch from the other thread, re: My posting about "Monopoly."

1.) It is relevant, as Monopoly money was found in the backpack.

2.) Please don't pretend you have read the book; think everyone else has, too; and know all about the shady history of the game.

Now who's the troglydyte?

"troglodyte."

Well, r12, life was "a pre-existing condition." Benefit denied!

A schlubby CEO with terrible teeth---His plan didn't include dental care, I guess.

R8 the photo at the top of the thread AI…

Arthur Schlesinger’s first wife, Marian Cannon Schlesinger, to whom he was still married in the Kennedy White House years, lived until the ripe old age of 105.

^Oops, wrong thread.

Composite sketch

Link to previous thread

The NYPD have found a second rucksack with vital evidence and can reveal that the killer's name is Professor Plum.

This has been pointed out elsewhere, but in that taxi cab image, the eyebrows look painted on. I wonder if he's wearing makeup.

He’s either Shawn Mendes or Timothee Chalamet- both very “ethnic” looking.

Is there size verificata yet?

Maybe, R26, he was a disgruntled also-ran at the recent Chalamet lookalike contest.

You know what I mean.

I think that's what we all want to know R27!

R25 - In his hostel photo, it looked like he was wearing a prosthetic chin. It looked pointy for his face and there seemed to be an outline, but the photo was poor quality.

R28 PLEASE! Don't sully up this thread with that tiresome, ugly, flop after flop actor's name.

'This money must symbolize the monopoly UHC has created with its over 150 subsidies comprising pharmacies, hospitals, hospice, and insurance,' one Reddit user wrote, prompting widespread agreement from hundreds of others.

'Wait are we sure this ain't Banksy?! The Monopoly money is making this all sound like the greatest performance art of all time…' one person said, joining the clamor of voices noting that the shooter left the board game dollars to send a message.

'He wanted them to find that…' one person said, while another added: 'This dude is taunting the police - not only did he intentionally drop the backpack where they would expect, but he hid it while WANTING it to be found.'

In the aftermath of the murder, Americans flooded the internet with their own personal horror stories about being denied crucial treatment, or even losing a loved one due to being unable to cover the cost of essential care.

The Monopoly money may also be a nod towards UnitedHealthcare's moves to acquire a larger portion of the health insurance industry, giving it a disturbing level of control by potentially squeezing out competition.

In February 2022, the Department of Justice moved to block UnitedHealthcare from acquiring healthcare tech company Change Healthcare Inc, saying the proposed $13 billion transaction would harm competition in commercial health insurance markets. Post-acquisition, United would be able to use its rivals' information to gain an unfair advantage and harm competition in health insurance markets,' the DoJ wrote in a press release at the time.

'The proposed transaction also would eliminate United's only major rival for first-pass claims editing technology — a critical product used to efficiently process health insurance claims and save health insurers billions of dollars each year — and give United a monopoly share in the market.'

Just last month, the DoJ along with four attorney generals, also filed another civil antitrust lawsuit to block UnitedHealthcare's parent company, UnitedHealth Group (UHG) from acquiring a rival provider, Amedisys Inc.

'We are challenging this merger because home health and hospice patients and their families experiencing some of the most difficult moments of their lives deserve affordable, high quality care options,' said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland in the November 12 release.

'The Justice Department will not hesitate to check unlawful consolidation and monopolization in the healthcare market that threatens to harm vulnerable patients, their families, and health care workers.'

They haven't found the electric bike yet...also missing is the gun.

I wonder if this was an intentional one-off or if he has a kill list with more fatcat CEOs on it. It would be fun if he turned out to be like a new Zodiac killer endlessly taunting the police. Maybe the rush of getting away with the first one will entice him to plan more.

Just a quick reminder that the UnitedHealthcare CEO had worked for UnitedHealthcare for 20+ years shaping the company policy responsible for denying and delaying customer medical treatment. Thompson as CEO earned a salary of $10.2 million dollars per annum. At his death, Thompson's net worth is approximately $43 million.

Sir Andrew Philip Witty is the CEO of UnitedHealthcare Group which is the parent company of UnitedHealthcare. UnitedHealthcare Group is a $400 billion dollar company. Witty was paid $23.9 million dollars per annum.

Sir Andrew Philip Witty has spoken out against the public backlash: “We guard against the pressures that exist for unsafe or unnecessary care to be delivered, in a way that makes the whole system too complex and ultimately unsustainable,” he continued. “I have never been more proud of what this company and our colleagues do on behalf of the people in this country. I urge you to tune out the negative messaging you hear on social media.” (see Vanity Fair link for more of the interview)

UnitedHealthcare Group's policy is to deny and delay claims in the hope that their paying customers eventually just give up and don't get the lifesaving medical treatment they require.

Sir Andrew Philip Witty might be next...

Does anyone think the next administration's DOJ will block United Healthcare or UnitedHealth Group from gobbling up anymore of its rival companies?

Or will Trump's DOJ instead allow the fat cat insurance mafia, to get fatter?

r38, It's going to be a free for all...no regulations.

[quote]They haven't found the electric bike yet...also missing is the gun.

So they have nothing.

[quote] So they have nothing.

How about the backpack?

The gun was probably disassembled, parts scattered miles apart.

[quote]Sir Andrew Philip Witty might be next...

Get him.

I heard one expert say the authorities may have a name but won’t release it until they’ll ready to capture him.

Is it known if the dead CEO had a significant other after he separated from the wife?

Given UnitedHealth's propensity for denying subscriber claims (about twice the industry average), have people ever launched a class-action suit against the company?

The CEO was consciously unliving...

That CEO is dead but cash lives on.

I haven't been in NYC since 2015.

I would have guessed that by now you couldn't pay a cabdriver with cash.

I found him!

[quote] by now you couldn't pay a cabdriver with cash.

Drivers prefer cash still. Better yet, just say "I'll give you forty bucks to take me here .."

Op’s pic is a fake right? He’s not some boy bander.

Thanks for the info, r50.

[Quote] Would someone kindly synopsize this? I've tried, but the threads are waaaay too long to weed out the pertinent bullet points. What's "known"?

What’s known is that he’s our boo. Everything else: rank conjecture.

[quote]He’s not some boy bander.

I'm not a boy bander.

What R34 does not mention is that the DOJ did not successfully block the UHG merger with Change Healthcare. Consequently UHG has gained an even larger share of the market. No doubt that some DOJ palms were oiled.

I've been on the provider side for decades and have seen UHG wrap their tentacles around every aspect of healthcare. Conflict of interest after conflict of interest., ad nauseam It's not just the patients who are losing out. Providers render the treatment, UHC delays authorization review until after the patient is discharged, and then ultimately denies authorization so that the providers are left holding the bag. Eventually the providers are bled dry and UHG swoops in to acquire and control the medical groups and hospitals firsthand.

That is so awful, R55.

My cousin married a doctor and quietly let me know he doesn’t want to talk about medicine or illnesses or symptoms and I think I can maybe see the reason a little better now.

I began by thinking, yes, it would obviously become tedious to have people constantly looking to you in social situations as the person who might save them a trip to a doctor’s office but if the office environment is as stressful as that he might desperately need every minute away from it that he can get.

New Yorkers missed a hilarious opportunity to fill their old backpacks with completely random items and hide them around Central Park for the police to find.

R48 I’d guess—no, I know—you are clueless.

[quote]I've been on the provider side for decades and have seen UHG wrap their tentacles around every aspect of healthcare. Conflict of interest after conflict of interest., ad nauseam It's not just the patients who are losing out. Providers render the treatment, UHC delays authorization review until after the patient is discharged, and then ultimately denies authorization so that the providers are left holding the bag. Eventually the providers are bled dry and UHG swoops in to acquire and control the medical groups and hospitals firsthand.

R55 that is very enlightening thank you. One thing that isn't mentioned enough is the very powerful healthcare industry lobby groups that work tirelessly in the background to make sure that no regulations or controls are implemented federally so that companies like UHC retain an iron grip on the industry and are allowed to operate like this so they are able to intentionally bankrupt the providers/medical groups and then purchase the provider. This is what political donations purchase for the industry lobby groups. Trump & co have all stated that they want less regulations so these practices are probably going to get worse.

R5 Right. At least learn the motive. His wife could have put a hit out on him. I’m not saying that is the likely case here but all these likes given to comments because people think this is some heroic action by some Latino hunk avenging his brother removed from a ventilator. Get real. Learn the facts first. We do know a vicious ass assassination happened in broad daylight in New York City. Shit is fucked up.

[quote] they want less regulations so these practices are probably going to get worse.

We need more regulators like Boo.

Sounds like wife isn't a suspect now. Per CNN:

[QUOTE]The detective said at a Friday briefing there is no evidence the shooter and CEO had any prior interactions or the shooting was related to Thompson’s personal life, according to audio of the briefing the NYPD provided to CNN.

I don't think it's some great big conspiracy R60.

The intent of this assassination seems very clear cut - especially with the various supporting props like the bullet casings with the words "deny", delay", "depose" on them, monopoly money etc.

The scenario is: the American model of healthcare industry is not serving Americans and is often doing the opposite of providing healthcare to paying customers. Essentially the American healthcare system is detrimental to the health and finances of Americans as they do not receive the care they need and insurance keeps getting more and more expensive and restrictive. Massive profits yet worse and worse healthcare. Someone has had enough and targeted the CEO of the biggest company UnitedHealthcare which is famed for particularly bad customer treatment and business practices with their deny, delay tactics. The assassin made an example of the CEO. Seems pretty straight forward on paper.

Because most Americans have had experience of fighting with a company like UnitedHealthcare and losing - there is little to no sympathy for what's happened.

I don't condone the assassination but it has happened and I hope that it is the catalyst for a deep conversation about the state of crisis the US healthcare system is in.

This CEO is, to me, no different than a mafia kingpin who got taken out. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[quote] I don't condone the assassination but it has happened and I hope that it is the catalyst for a deep conversation about the state of crisis the US healthcare system is in.

R63, from your lips to god’s ears.

Yes I know it's not going to happen R65. Witty - the CEO of UnitedHealthcare Group (parent company) has already doubled down on the way the company practices and feigned shock and disbelief that this could even happen when they are just trying to make profit at any cost for their shareholders.

These are not good people. These are very bad people.

[quote] The intent of this assassination seems very clear cut - especially with the various supporting props like the bullet casings with the words "deny", delay", "depose"

I heard one expert say today that this could just be a ruse to misdirect investigators.

It could be R67.

R63 you have made the most convincing argument to me if he is some type of martyr.

The slaying is a declaration. The bullet words and Monopoly money are the punctuation.

This act was exquisitely planned, from arrival to place to timing to escape, such that the perp didn't even care if there were security cameras.

Is he still in the US? Yes. He didn't get to JFK, LaGuardia, or Newark to leave.

[quote]The detective said at a Friday briefing there is no evidence the shooter and CEO had any prior interactions or the shooting was related to Thompson’s personal life

The term “no evidence” doesn’t mean the wife's in the clear r62. It’s just words in a press conference. It’s only been a few days, after all.

DL queens are salivating with the hope it's the wife behind this, when that's actually the least interesting and satisfying scenario.

And the one that would please the insurance mafia the most.

Monopoly? Does he mean antitrust? Price fixing by the insurance companies?

The high prices are to pay the Csuite salaries. Just why are they so astronomically high compared to the next few rungs down?

I’m surprised they don’t have one good picture of him. Even the one where is smiling is at an angle. Why don’t they release a sketch, based on his known features?

Yes, I actually said that in the first thread.

It’s interesting that we are so credulous as a species. People say things and our first instinct is just to believe them. It’s one of the reasons why we are where we are politically.

Maybe our boo was misdirecting the fuzz.

^^^ a response to r67

They did, r76, but it looked like that aisle of Lewis chess piece posted earlier in the thread .

Bug eyes, squashed nose, buck teeth.

ISLE, you retarded fool of an autocorrect!

I don't believe they are anywhere close to capturing this guy, nor do they even know his name yet.

I don't know why people are obsessing about the wife. The killer is a mask wearer! He's probably one of those Covid obsessives/ideologues who thinks Big Pharma is trying to kill us all with microchips in vaccines and that Big Insurance wants to cash in on it. Dollars to donuts he's an RFK Jr supporter and it wouldn't surprise me if he's a "long covid" type.

All I know is I’m already ready for some sequels. Can be healthcare, banking, real estate, tech, agribusiness. Plenty of candidates.

[quote] All I know is I’m already ready for some sequels. Can be healthcare, banking, real estate, tech, agribusiness. Plenty of candidates.

Tech broligarchs, please, oh, please. Particularly one involved with electric cars and a certain hellish social media site.

I can't imagine who you mean R84!

"Within hours of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson’s death by a gunman in Midtown Manhattan, the major media went full North Korea, lavishing praise on the sainted business leader. The Washington Post reported that the “smart and affable” Thompson had a “focus on keeping premiums low,” citing an unnamed company staffer who we’re to believe “spoke on condition of anonymity to protect their job.”

The coverage seems more like a knighthood than journalism, which, the saying goes, distinguishes itself from public relations in printing information someone else doesn’t want printed. Facts about Thompson’s life that he would not have wanted published of course exist (I detail some below). But the major media’s obsession with decorum — we mustn't speak ill of the dead! — has rendered it unable to tell the truth about who this man really was."

This is not someone acting on impulse,' she added. 'This is a sign of somebody that is truly narcissistic in nature. They're just trying to really make themselves stand out as this intelligent, smarter than police type figure. That's the motivation here, more than the messaging.'

Coffindaffer also noted the extensive planning that likely went into the attack.

The suspect reportedly spent 10 days in Manhattan, including Thanksgiving, staying in a local youth hostel. Such a timeline suggests meticulous preparation.

'I think he would have practiced. He would have done the route. He knew exactly what he wanted to do. I'm wondering what family might not be noticing that their loved one was gone,' Coffindaffer said. 'I just found the timing very interesting.'

How come NYTimes links don’t work anymore?

cuz it's a shit rag

R87R88, this is the kind of analysis that makes sense. What everyone has pounced on — the style of the killing, right down the choice of a victim who is both high-profile and loathsome — is the message.

R87, R88 ^

And you may have to archive links to the NYTimes first because of the paywall.

One report I read, the expert said he probably wanted to splash the fake money on his body after killing but forgot

[quote] How come NYTimes links don’t work anymore?

Add the Times, then, to links to the Wash. Post, which haven't worked for some time.

Gift links work just fine.

You moron, R82--he was wearing a mask so he wouldn't be recognized. JFC.

grainy pic

The grainy pic of him on the bike. looks like regular bike to me...

A retired New York City Police Department (NYPD) Lieutenant and former NYPD commander are shedding light on the manhunt for the suspect who gunned down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and what investigators are doing to track him down.

“He’s not a professional, but he is calculated. He obviously planned this out to a very good degree as well. He planned his escape route, he planned everything prior to it,” Joe Cardinale told Fox News Digital.

Cardinale added the fact the killer left behind the bullets and left messages on them, like “depose,” makes him think it could be someone involved in a civil suit with UnitedHealthcare or at least connected, making this not a coincidence or “wrong place, wrong time” situation.

The words “deny,” “depose” and “defend” were written on the live rounds and casings left behind by the assassin after the shooting.

New House bill would ban insurers from limiting anesthesia coverage: ‘Purpose of medicine is to prevent pain’

A new House bill would ban health insurers from imposing arbitrary time limits on patients under anesthesia — days after Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield only backed off the move amid outcry.

“We cannot trust insurers to do right by doctors and patients out of the kindness of their hearts,” Rep. Ritchie Torres (D-Bronx), who is sponsoring the bill, told The Post.

“There is a need for legislation that prevents any insurer anywhere in America from micromanaging the length of anesthesia care in a medically necessary surgery,” Torres said. “The purpose of medicine should be to prevent pain, rather than cause it through the denial of anesthesia.”

The congressman’s “Anesthesia for All Act” would prohibit health insurers from determining how long a person can stay under anesthesia, threatening to withhold reimbursement if they go beyond it.

Anesthesia keeps patients from feeling pain during surgery or other procedures through heavy sedation or being temporarily put to sleep.

The proposed law would ensure reimbursement for costs is based on medical necessity as determined by the attending anesthesiologist and prohibit insurers from denying payment solely because the length of surgery or care exceeds their pre-set limit.

The furor over Anthem Blue Cross Shield’s aborted cap erupted about the same time that UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was gunned down and killed in front of the Hilton hotel last week.

Well, shit. That one better pass before Orange Jesus gets in, R100!

Hmmm I wonder if they caught him. This just came thru as an alert.

Don't say a word, lawyer up.

Not sure

Would he still have the gun though? He seemed pretty organized and like he would dismantle the gun right after and leave the pieces in various locations.

The NBC report I just googled said the guy being held possessed the same kind of gun the shooter had.

That suggests a lot of things, one of the being, if you're as clever as the shooter seems to have been so far, wouldn't it seem they would've discarded the gun cleverly by now, too?

Did he want to be caught?

What r105 asked

R88. I would shelter him and the Boston bomber. I said what I said and give no fucks lol.

Just kidding about the Boston bomber.

They’ve got their patsy

And I’ve got mine!

I just saw an interesting product. It was a mask that you pull over your head…looked like it was printed on something stretchy and translucent like pantyhose material, but it had a life size photograph of someone’s face. The kid who put it on, it totally changed his look. Wearing a hoodie, it would be virtually undetectable on security cameras. Next time.

Hmm. You would think they would make an arrest if he has the same eyebrows. Maybe they have to tie him to being in New York first.

CNN — [Breaking news update at 12:07 p.m. ET]

A man being questioned in connection with the fatal shooting nearly a week ago of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO in New York City was found Monday in Pennsylvania with a gun with a suppressor like the one used in the homicide, law enforcement officials briefed on the situation tell CNN.

The 26-year-old was picked up at a McDonald’s in Altoona after an employee thought he looked like the man in New York Police Department photos and called police, the sources said. He had fake IDs, including one NYPD believes was used by the killing suspect in New York, they said.

Altoona police responded to the call, picked up the man and searched him, the sources said. The man also had some documents investigators want to examine as potentially relating to motive, though further details on them were not clear.

Altoona police are waiting for NYPD detectives, who are en route.

Caught!

Late to the party, R114.

Oh Don Juan. You should have gone to Mexico or Canada.

Why, dude? Why?

We all wanted you to get away!

If you had to say something, write a letter and mail it to the NYT, FFS.

It seems like the murder was exactly what it appeared to be: it was ideological. The killer does, indeed, have a manifesto and was prepared to be caught. This guy probably wants what he now has, a platform.

I hope the McDonalds worker gets the $50,000 reward before January 20, 2025.

NYT says it was an elderly patron who tipped off the police.

R119: It wasn't a worker who called in the tip. The NY Times is reporting that it was an "elderly patron."

Ugh, a manifesto. Lame.

"The handwritten manifesto found on the person of the man detained in Altoona criticized health care companies for putting profits above care, according to a senior law enforcement official. "

The crime happened nearly a fucking week ago. Why did Dumbass have the gun with him. Why did he have t he fake IDs. He should have had a place where he stash things that was separate from where ever he lived. And WTF was he wearing? Please tell me he was NOT wearing the same jacket he was photographed with. He coulda got away with it. This shit is basic. BASIC.

How quickly the DL queens turn on him--he goes from "Boo" to "Dumbass" in one breath.

He could have mailed the damned "Manifesto" to the news papers. In fact he should have done that while he was still in t he city. And the other thing: How did he know the guy would be walking to that hotel entrance at that time of morning? Who else was working with this guy to alert him?

I’m surprised they gave kept his name secret. Usually cops reveal that for cash.

Maybe he wanted to get caught?

why was he searched? Did they have a warrant?

R126 it was a scheduled investors’ and analysts’ presentation. Hundreds of people knew he was going to be there. It would have been on their website. Duh.

He was staying at the luxury hotel closest to the Hilton conference center. Anyone could have guessed where he was staying—and the only path from there to the meeting was exactly where he was shot.

This is not rocket science.

He sounds like a hero to me.

Will the early patron get enrolled into a witness protection program?

there are a few lux hotels close to Hilton. Also, you can call up hotels to ask to speak to one of their guests...you say the name and they will say," no such guest" or they will transfer you to their room...so that's how you can find out which hotel he was at

The closest one, with direct mid-block access the conference part of the Hilton is where he was staying. Quite logical, and easily deduced.

^elderly patron

Will UHC still deny the elderly McDonald’s patron’s claims for coronary artery disease meds?

Now we can reflect on all the guessing errors DL sleuths have made in this guy's identity and background.

Eyetalian from Bawlmore.

Yikes!

Luigi Maggione. Sounds Italian.

You think, R139?

This photo of him is doing the rounds on Instagram..

Fuck he’s hot.

[quote] The NY Times is reporting that it was an "elderly patron."

Feckin' tout!!

Our boo … AT BAY!!!

R141! He's guilty...of having an eight-pack!

His Facebook page is still up, won’t be for long. Damn he’s a Penn alum.

[quote]NYT says it was an elderly patron who tipped off the police.

Police at a press conference just said it was a McDonald's employee.

Praying that no jury would ever convict him.

Oh shit he went to UPenn. Wow.

He WAS a Phillywhore

So hot. Wow.

All other potential shooters lay down your weapons, you are all slimy turds compared to this guy. He took out a CEO and looks like *that*.

Another pic from his FB

I want to incarcerate his cock in mouth.

Mmm nips.

Odd that no one from Penn or Baltimore or Honolulu noticed a resemblance to the police pics—so easy to see it’s the same person.

He sort of looks like Eric Menendez

WHAT'S HIS NAME

No. Those two look like dwarves. Stop insulting our boo.

[quote]“There is a need for legislation that prevents any insurer anywhere in America from micromanaging the length of anesthesia care in a medically necessary surgery,” Torres said

Don't worry, that House Bill at R100 will get derailed by the Trannies...who will insist that it specify their gender-affirming procedures are classified as "medically necessary".

Okay here he is. He was a valedictorian!

[Quote] WHAT'S HIS NAME

Keyser Söze, Rose

R157 Luigi Mangione

I think he's got a good case for the defense, especially if it affected somebody close to him who died.

Jury will see him as a vigilante hero.

[Quote] I think he's got a good case for the defense, especially if it affected somebody close to him who died.

It’s truly amazing to me how deluded some people are.

R163 Nah. Luigi's toast.

We may be happy he took out a greedy healthcare CEO, but he's gonna fry for this.

So disappointed. As smart as he is, he could have gotten further away, dumped the weapon, maybe even left the country.

It seems it's probably not going to be someone close to him that died, but rather that he had been navigating the healthcare industry after suffering a back problem of his own. The evidence for this would be: the back X-ray in his Twitter header, and the fact that there are a number of books logged as read on his Goodreads about dealing with back injuries.

They will have to offer him a plea bargain. The DA is taking a risk with a jury trial...there's no sympathy for a dead insurance CEO.

Man, what a story this is. Came right to DL when I saw the pic, lol. But seriously, what happened here?

Luigi may be gay. Seems to be a bit of a libertarian bro type. Went to private school. Cousin may be a politician. Doesn't seem to be from the type of background that would have struggled to pay for the best healthcare.

Maybe he had a psychotic break?

R167 then if it's for his own surgery then people would be like well fuck around and find out. I don't think they would fry him, but they would probably put him away for a while.

Unless he inspires a bunch of protesters to come out in support of him and be like free Luigi! Then you know that yes the system can buckle to a mob.

Okay. Was he carrying Monopoly money because he was crazy or was it really a sign?

R168 you are ridiculous

[Quote] It seems it's probably not going to be someone close to him that died, but rather that he had been navigating the healthcare industry after suffering a back problem of his own.

Do you people understand that you aren’t permitted to murder people because you’re upset someone was denied healthcare coverage or you were denied it yourself?

IMO he saw all the worshipful coverage and kind of wanted to get caught.

He could have got rid of all that incriminating stuff and avoided crowded places like fast food restaurants. It would have been the easiest thing in the world.

I said this on Thursday in the first post. Looks like it's the case. Maybe he was sitting in the Altoona McDonald's waiting to be sighted.

[QUOTE]One thing that's very clear is that the assailant wanted to make a splash. A public killing right before the annual shareholders meeting where in two hours the victim was to give a speech announcing a record $450B profit. Engraved bullet casings.

[QUOTE]I am wondering if the killer might want to get caught. Some of his mistakes were really egregious: dropping a cell phone, water bottle, and candy wrapper, and letting his face be seen on one occasion at the hostel. It's almost as though he deliberately left clues. If he has a cause and he's on a campaign, the investigation/manhunt is going to garner more attention. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some sort of a manifesto appears online.

Was this guy Chuck’s grandson, or great-grandson?

^ First thread, not post.

Freaks like r159 will derail the legislation with their anti-trans obsession

Wait, you mean it's not a transgender illegal alien?

Only one victim, the CEO. Didn't fight the cops. Didn't hurt kids. Didn't hurt elderly. Didn't hurt the female bystander. Could have escaped had he wanted (probably). Hot as fuck.

This guy!!!

No jury can acquit him for murder. It's an open and shut case.

[quote]No jury can acquit him for murder. It's an open and shut case.

So was OJ.

Of course they could, R183. They could ignore all the evidence. They likely won't.

Get one lovelorn woman or gay man on the jury, and it will be a hung outcome.

Nino Mangione is a right-wing talk show host, too

Linky stinky r187, they've already cleared him off the radio station page.

Is Fox News asking why his high-profile, right wing politician, talking head relative didn't turn him in?

they seemed to be hinting at that r189, in one of the news links posted here. Asked why someone didn't recognize him from all of the photos put out there, in the news.

It was Judge "drunkard" Janine asking...

[Quote] So was OJ.

No, not even close. We didn’t live in a surveillance state in the early 90s. And Brentwood wasn’t midtown Manhattan.

R146, Are you mixed up? How can you read my post and think that I support Trump or any of his anti-human rights policies or proposals, not to mention his complete lack of an intellect, of any moral compass, or of any desire to abide by any norms, customs, or laws?

The former prep school valedictorian was caught with a ghost gun that uses 9mm bullets, a silencer, a US passport, four fake IDs with names used during the killer’s stint in New York City and the manifesto, sources said.

Sorry, R146 - my reply was meant for a different thread. I’m not R141/R144/R145.

Omg!

He coulda been a contendah...

Is that really his YT at r196? It was created in Jan 2024 so I guess it might be. Stay tuned

The family also owned a chain of senior rehab facilities. They were milking the system just like UHC

R196: What did he do, hit "post" as he saw the cops pull into McDonald's?

That’s a fake acct. duh

R200 could have been a scheduled upload that he kept delaying but more likely as r201 says to be fake - someone just has a dormant account and renamed it.

Given everything he'd planned, I wonder if there's a planned 'finale' coming. Also am curious how batsh!t his manifesto is.

Lolol.

[QUOTE]Although Luigi Mangione, the alleged CEO assassin, was arrested in Pennsylvania, users were also giving 1-star reviews to McDonald's locations five states over in Altoona, Iowa.

🤣

Well they probably deserve it

Have they released any photos of him? I've only seen him masked up.

No, r207 - they only have the masked pics. Sorry

I think they will eventually release unmasked photos, but I’m not holding my breath R206.

Sorry, the reply was meant for R207.

Mug shot to cum

Hopefully there is a treasure trove of nudes coming once his hookups recognize him.

How sad is it that his last meal as a free man was at McDonald’s?

Guess he wasn't as "anti-corporate" as he claimed, R213.

Someone of Reddit found his goodreads with reviews on the Unabomber’s manifesto.

Why can we state the obvious: Schizophrenia!

[quote]Do you people understand that you aren’t permitted to murder people because you’re upset someone was denied healthcare coverage or you were denied it yourself?

Shut it, Dottie Hinkle.

If he had ditched the jacket and mask, people probably wouldn’t have recognized him.

He's clearly on the spectrum.

His parents will spend all their savings on lawyers instead of health care.

How can you tell he's mentally ill?

R221 Oh, I dunno. Maybe the whole murder thing.

R221 Because he washes his whites with his colors, Rose.

When will they expose his romantic life?

He could always say he was inspired by Trump. With a face and ass like his, he'll benefit from pretty privilege, with a mentally ill cherry of a diagnosis on top.

He’s got it ALL

[quote]He could always say he was inspired by Trump.

I said 5th Avenue, not 6th Avenue!

R219 I think probably schizophrenic.

Maybe he had the whim whams

Is this for real??

No

R230. Yep. I knew it. Classing signs of schizophrenia. Poor thing. Tragic sexy fuck.

Per the Independent, the manifesto was handwritten, r230/r232.

I don't even know which thread to post stuff on anymore. His friends in Hawaii are shocked. More about his back problems which were two years ongoing from a pinched nerve. Isn't this unusual for someone so young?

Pinched nerve?

Did he try acupuncture???

Does that mean he's in pain? Is he getting his meds in prison?

Mangione, 26, cited UnitedHealthcare as one of the biggest companies in the US by market capitalization and slammed the health insurance business in the two-and-a-half page manifesto addressed to “the Feds” and recovered by investigators during his arrest Monday.

“The reality is, these [companies] have gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit,” Mangione wrote, according to the sources.

He apologized for any trauma he inflicted — likely alluding to his alleged execution-style shooting of Thompson, 50, in busy Midtown last week — but said “it had to be done.”

“it had to be done"

This black and white thinking can be indicative of depression with psychotic features.

R239 yikes kinda sounds like me. 😳

Well, we’ll just be good Democrats and let them steamroll over us. As long as we take the high road….

R241 I think you posted this in the wrong thread.

I didn’t. He did what he had to.

Many moons ago, I used to to work in the mental health field and my degrees are in the field. From a distance, it does sound like it's his condition, r240. He's had chronic pain from a pinched nerve that restricts his mobility for two years. That's bad enough for us oldsters, but a 26 year old? That's a major, major life stressor that has ripple effects into all areas of functioning.

A symptom of depression is insomnia, and prolonged periods without sleep can lead to psychosis - either hallucinations or delusions. I'm sure the pain made sleep worse. But the big red flag to me was the social isolation.

He was previously very socially integrated in his community in Hawaii, he had been social at Penn (lots of pictures with friends at gatherings), but suddenly he went radio silent in June or July. Social isolation can be harmful to people in general, but if you're already depressed and stewing in your own deluded thinking, it can be poison. No friends to support you or help or give reality checks so delusions become more crystallized and harder to break through. Black and white thinking.

All conjecture, of course, but I'd place a modest bet.

BTW, I contrasted Mangione with Jamie Raskin's son on the Meet the Mangiones thread. One internalized, the other externalized with destructive results. It seems the difference is that Raskin had a lot of self-awareness about his illness.

[QUOTE]If he were far too idealistic, it could have easily fucked with him emotionally & mentally.

This reminds me of Jamie Raskin's son, also idealistic, in his 2nd year at Harvard Law. Except he internalized, committing suicide at 25.

In a farewell note, Tommy said, "Please forgive me. My illness won today. Look after each other, the animals and the global poor. All my love, Tommy."[76] Two promising lives gone.

"He's had chronic pain from a pinched nerve that restricts his mobility for two years."

Really? Then why am I seeing surfing and rock climbing and hiking all over his socials, and why did I see video of him RUNNING through the streets of New York? This chronic pain of Mr. Mangione's sure does seem to flare up at convenient times-- like, whenever sex is even mentioned to him.

[QUOTE]This chronic pain of Mr. Mangione's sure does seem to flare up at convenient times--whenever sex is even mentioned to him.

I haven't read that commentary about how sex-talk caused flare ups or pain. Could you please provide evidence of occasions when sexual content caused pain when mentioned to him? Why do you believe was a common denominator?

He hurt his back in a surfing accident

There's nothing to indicate that Magione has "had chronic pain from a pinched nerve that restricts his mobility for two years", either r247. That's all conjecture by r244, who's been busy inventing a whole life, community, activities, thoughts for Magione.

This guy was loaded.

[QUOTE]That's all conjecture by [R244], who's been busy inventing a whole life, community, activities, thoughts for Magione.

Did you totally skip about the "conjecture" part, or is your vocabulary so impoverished? You provided no contrary evidence despite damning r244, despite your own.

Does r249 provide anything of value in terms of empirical evidence to counter actual witnesses previously mentioned?

R249 was reminding r244 that the described scenario is all conjecture.

This isn't the way I was hoping I'd gain newfound popularity.

For someone with back problems, that's some worked out body - quite nice tits but the abs look photo-shopped. Or is that how he hurt his back?

The next guy who says it's impossible to get in shape with a bad back we can just point to Luigi!

R296, that actually sounds like a United Healthcare comment denying coverage for back pain.

Explaining the injury that Mangione had suffered after a back condition called spondylolisthesis was worsened by a surfing accident Martin said: 'His spine was kind of misaligned.

'He said his lower vertebrae were almost like a half-inch off, and I think it pinched a nerve.'

Martin told CNN that Mangione, who he described as a bright engineer, suffered from debilitating pain throughout his six month stay at SurfBreak during 2022.

He said a single surf lesson left Mangione 'in bed for a week' afterwards, adding: 'It was really traumatic and difficult, you know, when you’re in your early twenties and you can’t, you know, do some basic things.'

Martin said Mangione and other residents of the co-living space would talk about medical issues and capitalism.

But he insisted the suspected murderer never gave off the impression of being angry or radicalized.

He also said that Mangione did not complain about his back pain and did not appear to be taking any kind of painkillers.

Mangione's health issues are also said to have caused professional problems for the University of Pennsylvania graduate, who worked as an engineer for online car sales company TrueCar after his graduation.

A Reddit poster believed to be Mangione spoke of how he had lived with a back condition called spondylolisthesis since childhood.

Spondylolisthesis sees a bone in the spine, known as a vertebra, slip out. The condition usually affects the lower back and can be extremely painful

r259, you really don't need to post the same thing in multiple threads.

He wasn’t denied coverage if he got the surgery.

R261 Uh, that's not how it works. I had surgery six months ago, and my insurance company is denying coverage for about 70% of it.

He was pre-approved. I’m sure of it.

You messed it up.

Young people can still get in shape with a bad back. It depends on the type of injury. But yes young people can still be in shape with a a bad back and still be in chronic pain from that back injury. When you get past 40 all the bones in your body are more connected as far as a trauma so that shit becomes harder and way more painful.

R263 I was pre-approved, too. Until my insurance company decide certain medications given to me after the procedure weren't "medically necessary."

I find it interesting that he broke away from social contact after his operation. Most people would rely on friends. I am also interested if he was doing any drugs that would prevent him from regular sleep. That really can mess up your brain. And of course his relationship with his family. For example, was he considered a black sheep that they didn’t connect with.

70% of the cost was for meds? Okay then… Moving on…back to Luigi.

R267 is blithely unaware of how ridiculous the cost of healthcare is in the 21st century.

He was the family outcast for going to school in Pennsylvania. Kinda like the niece on The Munsters.R266

This could be a story of what chronic pain does to someone mentally. We need adequate pain management, regardless of whatever effect that may have on addicts.

R268 yes silly me for thinking it odd that medication for surgery would be twice the surgical costs. 🫨

R266 People often retreat and isolate themselves after major surgeries, especially if they're unable to carry out day-to-day tasks and/or their recovery is lengthy.

It's easy to swirl into depression. After my surgery, I was unable to drive for a while, so I was stuck at home, where I was unable to do simple things like go to the mailbox. I became very depressed. I didn't want to see people, I didn't want to socialize. Thankfully, I had friends who continually checked up on me and helped me throughout the process.

I'm certainly not excusing Luigi's actions, but I can understand how his mental state may have deteriorated if he was in extreme pain or had an extended recovery period from surgery. From what his social media posts look like, he seemed to be very active prior to whatever he went through.

R271 Yes, it is quite silly indeed. Educate yourself, darlin'.

I’m hoping it comes out why he was estranged from his family. Including why he apparently didn’t ask them for any help in recovery from back surgery. Plus the family seemed very lazy about locating him. Asking his friends but not contacting police that he was missing.

[quote]He was pre-approved. I’m sure of it. You messed it up.

The Patient Advocate Foundation: Prior authorization does not guarantee payment of the claim.

Ken Klippenstein has posted the transcribed "manifesto." There have been a few fake ones circulating. Klippenstein states that a number of media outlets have it as well, but they have only published a few select sentences.

Here it is—

[quote]To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the (indecipherable) largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these (indecipherable) have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.

As we now know, he never mentioned, to anyone he communicated with, any insurance disputes or issues in arranging what was a successful surgery. Between the friend in Honolulu and his extended email exchanges with the Londoner, there was absolutely no mention of coverage or problems therewith. Neither did it come up in any of his social media.

r276, Brutal and succinct.

People are asking the legitimate question why is Mangione’s manifesto available immediately, but the Nashville school shooters’ manifesto was guarded like the nuclear codes?

One is evidence of a crime subject to a pending criminal proceeding, and one is not. That and the NYPD *love* showmanship and publicity. Luigi, had he been nabbed in NYC, would have gotten the perp walk of all perp walks.

No lies detected, Luigi.

Is he being represented by My Cousin Vinny?

He's so impressed with his own brutal honesty. EYE ROLL

The world stopped on Dec. 4, because an overweight, overpaid person died.

[quote]Is he being represented by My Cousin Vinny?

Well, I'm sure it is a defense that is being seriously considered.

Psychologically it’s interesting he went from pinup through photos (which created crushes), and now he’s just a regular crazy homeless who doesn’t photograph as well.

Looks like he keeps a very clean hole

Per longstanding DL wisdom, R287, the Italian boys invariably have squeaky clean holes.

I very much appreciate his brevity!

His family reported him missing in SF. A month ago.

The Daily Mail (not linked here) is very excited about this finding regarding his mother's "cruelty." Is this Ryan Murphy's "Rosebud" moment for the inevitable miniseries?

[quote] Luigi Mangione's disturbing claim about cruel way his mother made him eat

[quote] The suspected killer of UnitedHealthCare CEO Luigi Mangione claimed his mother made him eat steak with his right hand even though he is left-handed.

[quote] Mangione made the claims in his review of the book The Four-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferris, as reported by the Wall Street Journal.

[quote] Her recalled how his mother Kathleen Zannino Mangione made him eat steak with his right hand 'out of adherence to social norms.' He also mentioned his disdain for 'simply accepting things the way they are.'

[quote] Psychologically it’s interesting he went from pinup through photos (which created crushes), and now he’s just a regular crazy homeless who doesn’t photograph as well.

He's had a rough week. I wonder where he was sleeping at night (if he slept at all?) after he left the hostel.

I'm sure he will be cleaned up and fresh as a daisy for his big TV trial, if it comes to that.

R292 he won’t get a big TV trial as there’s no cameras in court in New York.

Pain meds.made him crazy-been there.

Mangione, 26, was charged with murder, three counts of criminal possession of a weapon, and criminal possession of a forged instrument, a newly-released warrant filed in Manhattan Supreme Court says.

Nice body but he’s really not that cute-common guys.

Who and where is his mom & dad? Does he have them?

Trump will straighten this out.

His hole ain't clean if there's any Sicilian in him.

On the other hand, a Swiss-Italian diplomat used to tell me, "Everything south of Naples is Africa." If you know what I mean.

No, tell us bigot.

Too bad Sondheim's dead; we could've had a new, hot character for an "Assassins" revival that would've been Broadway's newest hit.

[quote]The Daily Mail (not linked here) is very excited about this finding regarding his mother's "cruelty." Is this Ryan Murphy's "Rosebud" moment for the inevitable miniseries?

Patti Lupone IS Kathleen Zannino Mangione!

Luigi Mangione’s college hobby was 3D printing, making ‘much more innocent things,’ former pal reveals

“It’s funny, I recall him being into 3D printing in sophomore year,” said Matthew Levy, who lived next door to Mangione’s dorm room during their freshman year in 2016.

“I mean, he was making much more innocent things then.”

Mangione, 26, allegedly used what appeared to be a 3D-printed ghost gun in last week’s fatal shooting of Brian Thompson on a Manhattan sidewalk, cops have said.

The gun, face masks and rambling writings linking Mangione to the ambush were allegedly found in his possession when he was captured at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania on Monday following a five-day manhunt, authorities said.

Levy, who said he was friends with Mangione for three years in college, was among those shocked by his arrest.

“He’s one of the last people I would have expected,” he told The Post.

“He wasn’t particularly ideological. He never stood out as extreme.”

About nine months ago, “something happened,” possibly linked to Mangione’s back injury “and he just cut everyone off, nobody could reach him,” Levy said.

“I think that’s when his extremist views developed. He was a nice guy. He must have been radicalized at some point.”

Details of Mangione’s 3D printing hobby and past life emerged as investigators continued to piece together a possible motive for the cold-blooded killing – including whether he was allegedly fueled by a vendetta against the medical industry after suffering from chronic back pain.

At the time of his arrest, Mangione was allegedly carrying a handwritten document expressing anger with what he called “parasitic” health insurance companies and a disdain for corporate greed and power.

He wrote that the US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world and that profits of major corporations continue to rise while “our life expectancy” does not, according to a law enforcement bulletin.

In social media posts, Mangione also called “Unabomber” Ted Kaczynski a “political revolutionary,” the bulletin stated.

Mangione was being held in a Pennsylvania lockup while fighting extradition to New York, where he is facing murder charges in Manhattan over Thompson’s slaying

CEO f grr era no sympathy. He’s dead, good

Gets no sympathy from me

None here either-next?

Does DL have any more information regarding rumors that CEO was a COOKIE smeller?

Hé was as stone-cold a killer as luigi, he just did it with insurance denials

Oh no! - now I want to bake cookies…

Thanks R310 And he was rewarded over and over.

I've seen a number of comments online over the past few days saying that the CEO was essentially a mass murderer. Seems like there's zero sympathy for his demise. The general attitude seems to be - he got what was coming to him.

Yeah and MAGA wants us dead is that ok?

How is that related?

Someone said he was schizophrenic-schizoaffective anyway. Even cute guys are sick.

Yeah. I did some time in lock down after a break down.So many handsome men/ straight men. I wondered how they could have any problems. They were sick and many wanted to die. Many attempted suicide some probably did. So complicated.

There’s already a movie in the works about this guy. Maybe Matthew Perry could play…oh…never mind.

Hmm. We haven’t had a radical activist like him in a long time. I hope media can interview him to help us understand him. Otherwise there is no learning.

[quote]Luigi Mangione’s college hobby was 3D printing, making ‘much more innocent things,’ former pal reveals

Luigi's first 3D project.

Such a privileged life he has led. I can only imagine what bits like to realize he will now spend decades in a jail cell. Hopefully, he never gets out.

[quote](Alleged!) Heartthrob Assassin Luigi Mangione Not The Leftist You Were Looking For

Re: 332: reddit figured that out a while back. There were a lot of butthurt far left bros, too. Poor Luigi gave up everything but still couldn't pass their shitty purity tests.

The guy is clearly suffering from some kind of psychotic break. He withdrew from all his social contacts going back to June. He withdrew from family. I have to wonder if he was on medication that contributed to the mental breakdown. And honestly, given his background, education, intelligence and his ability to communicate, I have to believe he is going to commit a Jeffrey Epstein type of "suicide." They don't want him to have a platform or any kind of public opportunity to discuss his beliefs about healthcare in America.

To quote The Beach Boys, wouldn't it be nice if United Health Group waived any prohibition on covering mental health treatment?

In my daydreams.

Go sit in a sandbox^

Poor kid, nobody turned up in court for him, zero family... according to reports

R326, not sure what your problem is. R325 did say it was in her daydreams.

R328. That went way over your head, eh?

It sure did r329. Had to google it, The Beach Boys were before my time.

History is your friend.

She started taking a lot of psychedelics post back surgery and that triggered schizophrenia. The dead end man in the mug shots looks nothing like the kid in uni and Hawaii. His brain broke.

R322. Good take

Wanted’ posters with name, photo of UHC CEO Brian Thompson, other execs spotted in NYC

Videos shared on social media showed “wanted” signs plastered on scaffolding and green boxes featuring a big red X over Thompson’s face appeared on the corner of Canal Street and Centre Street in Lower Manhattan.

Other posters donned the faces of Optum CEO Heather Cianfrocco and UnitedHealth CEO Andrew Witty were seen on green scaffolding on Wall Street, according to video.

The posters warn that “HEALTH CARE CEOS SHOULD NOT FEEL SAFE” and include “DENY… DEFEND… DEPOSE” — the three words found on the bullets allegedly shot by Luigi Mangione, who is accused of gunning down Thompson outside a Midtown hotel last week.

The “hit lists” are considered a fear-mongering social media stunt to incite hysteria, sources told The Post, adding that there’s no actual person with a hit list.

Remains of the posters on Canal Street were torn down by noon Wednesday.