Do you want the UnitedHealthcare CEO killer to be caught or to get away?

Caught is okay. But not until he’s finished.

He’s the ASSASSIN HERO we both want and deserve

And he’s utterly adorable and good with firearms

🤗❤️🤩❤️🤗

Everyone’s assuming this is really about the health insurance industry. The writing on the shell casings might have been a diversion. The murder could gave nothing to do with his job.

Great Idea. I’ll take let him get away with it this one time as it sends a message but If nothing changes I’ll-I mean he’ll be back.

Caught. You have to be an idiot to think this any kind of justice.

We that being said, I’d hit that.

We wish him well and hope he's making his way to Mar- A-LARDASS.

I understand the impulse to hope he goes after other miscreants, but I personally prefer to imagine that he’s acting out of the pain and sadness of a great personal loss resulting specifically from UnitedHealthcare denying coverage for someone he loved.

That’s the kind of thing that can reach a juror’s heart, if he’s caught and it comes to that. “Madman trying to execute anybody who’s super rich and has lax security” just doesn’t have the pathos.

It works for me R8, pathos or not.

I'd like to see him caught, and then acquitted by jury nullification to send a message to insurance CEOs that it's open season on ALL of them.

Why just insurance CEO’s? They are all vastly overpaid and they protect each other by serving on each other’s boards. Nothing else has restrained their greed. Maybe a hint of revolution will do it.

Understood, R9. I really hope he’s just plain not caught. Ever. In my dream scenario he hops a bus destined for Atlanta, gets off somewhere before that, the person he was talking to on the phone starts their car, he slides into the passenger seat and off they go at just a little over the speed limit.

Same here, r12.

However, if he's caught and convicted, his sentence should be getting fucked or fucking every Datalounger thirsting right now for our boo!

[quote]You have to be an idiot to think this any kind of justice.

Oh honey, our system of justice failed us miserably in the last 4 years. Get used to "street justice" as the only way the rich will be held to account for their voluminous crimes.

It's still dumb because they'll just replace him. This isn't justice. If this murder changed the fates of the un and underinsured I'd be more interested but it doesn't.

I'm with Matt. If the jury acquitted OJ because blacks get fucked over regularly with impunity by the criminal justice system, then a jury could acquit the shooter assuming he killed for the reasons we think he did. If he was hired by the wife or a UHC higher-up who didn't want him testifying about insider trading, then no, of course not.

Who should he target next? gotta be the airlines, those cunts want to charge fees for every fucking thing

they will get them. the pros will use drones as killing machines...they already have in warzones

The Delta CEO who said refunding tickets for cancelled flights was government overreach. Pop that fucker in the face.

Is this now the issue the demoralized left is going to rally around? Murder?

The right feel exactly the same as the left when it comes to health insurance companies, r20. Trust me--your average middle-class Trump voter has also had to deal with delay, deny, defend.

Is this scumbag CEO the new tragic white figure the right wants to unite behind, R20? Or do they need for him to be an illegal first?

We have now moved from life or death health issues to the right to fly. I guess Netflix and Starbucks execs are next?

Let's be serious for a moment. Murder is never justified, and our justice system is already fucked up -it may not survive more fucking-over. But more importantly, the reality is that Trump and his ilk will use this as an excuse to insulate and protect CEOs and billionaires. making them even more powerful and impervious to public opinion. If this were to turn into a wave of assassinations he would not hesitate to declare martial law (or as his followers would write, "Marsha law") and start rounding up his enemies. And their supporters.

Shooting CEOs is not a revolution. It's murder. If you want revolution, you have to go after the people with political power...

R23 - aw shut the fuck up false equivalency troll. Shoo - go back to licking the boots of your corporate masters.

Correct r24

[bold]GUILLOTINE THEM ALL

Yes, murder is never justified. Denying people medicine healthcare and driving them to insanity with medical bills so they lose their home and commit suicide, or they just end up fucking dying because of denied treatments, yeah that's not systemic murder at all. A paperwork holocaust.

Some would kill you kill back at that point. If capital punishment exists, it's pretty rich not drone on about murder.

Reminds me of the Trolley Problem. Would you push a fat man to stop a train?

Pfft no and it simply all depends on scene and circumstances.

R28- what if the fat man had derailed many trains before and previously killed thousands of passengers...fat white man lives matter then?

Did that man really create that problem? Or was the derailing system already put in place and the fat man merely along for the ride because, well he could and that's the way it's been done and, well wait times in Canada and Michael Moore's fat.

R28 are you not hyperbole? Really he single handedly killed people? People died?

verificatia of size meat?

[quote]Who should he target next?

Elon Musk

[quote]Is this now the issue the demoralized left is going to rally around? Murder?

Health insurance denials affect deplorables too.

Not all heroes wear capes. Some wear backpacks

We need to give him a list.

And some wear jackets from Macy’s, which for some reason, are simply flying off the shelves.

That assassin is SO HOT!

R20 In a word, yes.

[Quote]. I guess Netflix and Starbucks execs are next?

No, you fucking ridiculous idiot. No one mentioned them.

We'd take out the CEO of Spectrum, first.

I probably wouldn't have given him a second look on the street, but now that I know he took out the a health industry CEO, I'm positively wet for him!

I don't think he'll be caught and I don't care. He wasn't a mass shooter.

[quote]I'm positively wet for him!

Put a cork in it.

Let that pent-up sexual frutration out, R43!

I'm cool with the assassin getting away. A message has been sent and already it has caused shockwaves. Will the CEOs death change anything? Probably not but it has put the industry on notice and has got these people thinking about their own safety and the consequences of what they do for a job.

This response by the public shows how fucked up our private for profit health care system has gotten, and how an inhumane approach to a human necessity that is our health. The US is the only advanced nation in the world that does not allow for a universal healthcare system managed by the government. Corporate profits have no business in healthcare. Just as money should have no business in politics. It is called corruption and we have become in sensitized to these basic facts.

Voted caught.

Besides the fact that we don't know the WHY (I suspect it may not be for the reason people are assuming), I think even if this is "revenge" for someone's personal loss, vigilantism is counter to everything I believe about civilization and government.

We're already seeing an entire political party abandon that idea. I'm not going to join the bandwagon just because this guy was a scumbag. It's a dangerous road to go down.

People underestimate the benefits of stability in a universe of chaos. We are very privileged to live in the US.

I hope he never gets caught. If he needs someplace to hide he can come to my house. I'll hide him in my bed, under the covers.

Yes you're so right R47. Nobody should ever do anything about anything.

We should all just get on our knees and show deep gratitude because we are very privileged to live in the US where everything is perfect all the time.

I figure I must have R47 on block for a reason.

I think he's in Canada

This isn't the professional model mask.

" but it has put the industry on notice and has got these people thinking about their own safety and the consequences of what they do for a job"

Thinking about their own safety, yes. But it's going a bit far to think that any of them will reconsider their profiteering ways. People like that don't change.

R40, read R17?

[quote] Shooting CEOs is not a revolution. It's murder. If you want revolution, you have to go after the people with political power...

You think CEO’s don’t have political power? You think it’s the politicians who are actually in charge?

Hah!

Agree with R55. Hoodie Bae could have killed 50 United Healthcare office worker underlings instead of the CEO.

Do you think that killing those 50 would have caused Anthem to reverse it's policy on anesthesia, the very next day? If you do, you'd be wrong.

No company cares about it's office workers getting hurt enough to change it's national policies or practices like Anthem did. It might care about getting sued by survivors or families of victims but all office workers are replaceable, faceless little cogs.

Fear for their CEOs on the other hand? Obviously a very different story.

[quote] This response by the public shows how fucked up our private for profit health care system has gotten

And the response by the NYPD shows how fucked up our criminal justice system has gotten. Do you think the thousands of OTHER people shot in NYC received this much attention? Or resources spent t trying to find their attackers?

Are you implying we have two tiers of justice in America, R57?

Their stock keeps going down so it's affecting them!

[quote]The US is the only advanced nation in the world that does not allow for a universal healthcare system managed by the government.

Because we're so afraid that one single person we don't like will get it.

No. Because we value profit over life (except unborn life).

the grass is always greener on the other side, I've heard horror stories about waiting forever to see a specialist in countries with universal healthcare

I don’t know why people are so surprised that the public identifies with this killer. It’s happened before.

I want only the best for my hero

Both things are true R60 and R61.

I'm not sure I want to condone street executions. So I have to say caught. But I also want to know a lot more about the guy he killed. I'm talking personal intimate. What kind of personality? How did he treat people? Was he callous, abusive, bad tempered? Did he drink? I read that he traveled a lot. Was he a big drinker? Was he really smart or just cunning and unprincipled? Did he ever perform acts of kindness? Was he known for being decent? We need to flesh him out more.

If he drank, that would be an issue for you, R66?

You really know your priorities.

[quote]Reminds me of the Trolley Problem. Would you push a fat man to stop a train?

Bitch, it's Datalounge, not Philosophy 101. We'd push a fat man just to LAUGH at him.

Some guy in a YouTube thread claims to know who our boo is.

I’ll be sorry to see this thing move into the next phase when investigators really do know but I’m not betting the YouTube comment guy is positioned to get any part of the $50,000.

There will be plenty of those types, r69, who want us to believe them when they say they know Boo's identity. Of course, someone does. I can only hope he's one or two or three steps ahead of all of them.

Anyone rooting for him to get away is an utter imbecile.

Do you honestly believe that it would stop with this one incident.

As big a villain as you idiots are painting the UnitedHealthcare CEO for being a CEO of an insurance company, I can think of dozens of people that magats and conservatives would paint as villains, starting with Obama, HRC, and Pete Buttigieg.

The man ran a company under the constraints of the current system. If you don't like it, then do something more productive like, oh I don't know, working to get people elected who will change that system - or at least people who are actually trying to make it even worse.

Democrats don't give a shit about changing the system, just like Republicans.

It's going to take a revolution in this country to change anything. Sometimes that's just how it is.

I honestly don't care either way.

Right, R72--they're just all the same. But I guess "that's just how it is." Meanwhile, you can wax poetic about the "revolution" you know isn't coming because isn't that easier? I am bone-tired of hearing that lazy lie that Democrats are just the same as Repugs.

As for R73--okay, Melania.

r74 Democrats haven't done shit to change the American health care system. We had Clinton. We had Obama. We had Biden. And shit just keeps getting worse.

[quote] I am bone-tired of hearing that lazy lie that Democrats are just the same as Repugs.

They're also beholden to corporate interests.

Do you think if Kamala had been elected that our for-profit healthcare system would've been totally dismantled in the next few years? Hahahaha! Keep dreaming.

Clinton tried. And Obama gave us the ACA. The insurance industry itself needs to be brought down, but it's been so propped up--mostly by Repugs--that they're practically invincible. Something R75 admits not at all because she's so busy with her both-sides bullshit.

[quote] And Obama gave us the ACA.

That alone was more than any Repug did. And if it can't control the insurance mafia, at least people have that--for now. But Repugs? They only try to repeal the ACA so that people will then truly have nothing. So why don't you keep dreaming, R76!

r77 Democrats haven't really fought to reform it either.

The creation of the ACA: Dems 1. Repugs 0.

I suppose r75 prefers you-know-who's eight-year "concept of a plan" to Obamacare.

r81 Republicans also suck.

All you cunts who voted “get away” deserve to be murdered by the mafia.

[quote] I've heard horror stories about waiting forever to see a specialist in countries with universal healthcare

I've heard them too. They were clips of Fox News pundits making up stories to scare people. I'm smart enough to know not to believe them.

It can be true, R84. I’m Canadian, and just had a hip replacement after waiting a year-and-a-half, hobbling around on crutches, on morphine and in agony, and I had to keep going into work every day as I’m nowhere near retirement age, unlike most who need new hips. It was [italic]bad[/italic]!

Depending where you live, getting in to see a specialist can take weeks to a year. My province is very bad at the moment, and waiting months is the norm. The system needs an overhaul, but no one but right wing morons wants privatisation!

Still, I’d rather wait for care and vote people in who will improve the system rather than have our socialised medicine undermined. If you have an emergency, if you’re having a baby, if you need cancer treatment, whatever, the thought of payment doesn’t even cross your mind. Our province-based premiums are low and there’s no complicated paperwork. You’ll never go bankrupt here because you get sick, and insurance isn’t tied to your place of employment (which seems barbaric to me).

I work for a Big Ten university and if I want to see my endocrinologist, the next appointment is in eight months. That is with "fantastic" insurance.

Really, R86?? That’s nuts, considering how much Americans have to pay for their insurance!

It would seem all that money really [italic]is[/italic] going to the CEOs and shareholders, then, and not into actual care/retaining practitioners. Vive la révolution! 😡

R85. Your story seems consistent with what I have heard of the European experience of national health care. If you have a critical or life-threatening health problem, you are treated immediately and well. if you have a chronic bit not life-threatening health problem you often face a wait of many months or over a year to be treated.

There are many different kinds of national health care in Europe. Many use private insurance companies, with huge provisos that are not present in the US system. For instance, everyone in Germany is required to have health insurance. The government tightly regulates it, and the insurance companies are only allowed to make 8% profit each year, much of which is understood to be the amount they need to make to pay their employees plus a little extra to keep their shareholders happy. Hospitals, doctors, other health providers, drug companies, and government officials meet once a year to set prices for the upcoming year. People pay the insurance company on a sliding scale depending on their incomes. If a person cannot afford insurance, the government will pay for it. Doctors and hospitals are paid by the insurance companies. That's a very different system than Britain's, in which the government is the provider of health services and employs all the doctors, etc directly.

But, most Western nations are losing population now, and the demographics of the remaining population has changed to be older and more prone to serious health problems. This will create some problems going forward. It's very sad to think that the US, which set up national health care systems in both Germany and Japan after WWII, cannot get its act together, and allows insurance companies to incentivize denial of services.

Are you European R89?

No, but I have researched this topic. There is a good article at Wikipedia that goes through health care country by country and I have linked it below:

R89. Germany has had national health insurance since the Kaiser. Japan has had national health insurance since before World War II.

[quote]Democrats haven't done shit to change the American health care system. We had Clinton. We had Obama. We had Biden. And shit just keeps getting worse.

Yes. Nothing other than instituting universal coverage for people over 65, coverage for the impoverished through Medicaid, and eliminating the practice of denying coverage to persons with existing conditions. Other than that, pretty much nothing t all.

[quote] The man ran a company under the constraints of the current system. If you don't like it, then do something more productive like, oh I don't know, working to get people elected who will change that system - or at least people who are actually trying to make it even worse.

This is almost the only worthwhile thing posted on this topic. America is a national of moronic, degenerate children now.

I want democracy, but let me commit violence if the result isn't what I want.

I don't want any nationalized health insurance but make sure a private company provides my health insurance at no profit, charges low enough premiums that I can afford, and never denies a claim. Otherwise, I'll start shooting. I'll shoot until all the insurance executives are dead. And once they are, I'll...... Well, I don't know---pay out of pocket? I'll think about that once I'm done shooting.

I’m in NJ on Obamacare. I’m basically restricted to seeing in-network doctors, but I use a large medical group for most of my care and I have no trouble making appointments with specialists, nor do I have to worry about whether they take my insurance since they all work for the practice group. . Of course the NYC area has a large number of doctors, so perhaps my experience would be different elsewhere.

firstly, what is the population of Germany and Japan? it's tiny compared to USA, It's easy to govern when your population is small

Wrong. They are smaller than US, but hardly “tiny” in comparison. Germany 85 million, Japan 125 million

Even those covered under commercial insurance coverage are "restricted" to in-network docs, R95. Out-of-network physicians are out-of-pocket or their commercial insurance pays a very limited amount.

I'm on Medicare. Just started it last year. I enrolled in called Medicare Advantage, which I am loving. Medicare combines with a private insurance carrier like Humana or Aetna or Blue Cross or whomever, and since Medicare doesn't cover all your medical expenses, the private carrier supplements. I explain this because it illustrates a truism. America will never get rid of private insurers. Medicare subcontracts with them to insure customers. So all the jingoistic chatter and fear mongering, including ads I have been seeing on TV for the past two years attempting to demonize these combined "Advantage" plans is bullshit. If we had universal insurance it would be subcontracted out to private carriers. And if we were to do the same as they do in Europe, we'd get the National Health Insurance coverage and if we also wanted private insurance to enhance our coverage we can buy it. A friend of mine in the UK has the NHS, and his company, A British company also provides private supplemental insurance. Our government needs to pass laws...if they haven't already done so, to insure that a basic menu of benefits is covered by all insurers. Insurers scream like scalded cats when you insist they have to legally provide the basics, but fuck them. Rooting out garbage insurance companies is important. Get ready because we will see the floodgates open and junk insurance will see its ascendancy with Trump.

r94 is clueless

R94 is also a petulant moron.

The guy needs to be caught. We have invested a lot in this character. But once he is caught that will change. gunning people down in the street is not something I want to be a part of my life. This is not a video game or a movie this is real life. If this had happened to Trump I'd say the same thing...... If you ever lived in a neighborhood where the sound of gunfire was a regular feature of life, or you have had to avoid certain areas because of violence, you'd appreciate why I'm taking this position.

R102, this killing hardly signifies there's going to be open gunfire in the streets. No, I don't appreciate your position. I think it's wet.

It’s interesting that I’m clueless, but you are unable to refute a single argument I make. That makes you the clueless one. And deploy stupid.

It’s also interesting that I’m the petulant one since I’m the one arguing we should complain if we have no political will to change the system. That makes you the petulant one. And deeply stupid. And really unpleasant.

Have they explained the connection between the guy who showed his face in the different but similar attire between and the shooter? I'm curious if they've provided any details as to why they think they are the same guy. If they in fact didn't notice the differences my guess would be that the guy has gotten away.

[quote] If you ever lived in a neighborhood where the sound of gunfire was a regular feature of life, or you have had to avoid certain areas because of violence, you'd appreciate why I'm taking this position.

So no credit for using a silencer?

There aren’t enough bloodsucking CEOs wandering around my neighborhood for your argument to carry much weight with me.

[quote] It’s interesting that I’m clueless, but you are unable to refute a single argument I make. That makes you the clueless one. And deploy stupid.

The quality of your contributions to this discussion is inconsistent with your haughty attitude.

Miss R104 seems to think she's special and that no one has expressed or felt anything she has--because she's a petulant moron AND clueless.

I hope he doesn't off himself before he is arrested.

He’s long gone

NYT reporting someone is being held for questioning in Altoona PA

Suspect was arrested with the gun.

Where’s you God now, Moses?

I’m with R7 but too fearful to post-SHhhhh…

I love Pennsylvania.

R114=MAGAt.

[quote] Where’s you God now, Moses?

Moses, R112?

Moses, Moses, Moses!

DL fanboys:

“I’m Spartacus!”

“I’m Spartacus!”

“I’m Spartacus!”

R118 thank you for my first laugh today!

I am Spartacus!

what an anticlimax!

Still seems like a hero to me

Luigi Maggionne is his name.

They got him-he should have had a better exit plan.

Sean Cody-worthy

I suppose we will soon have verificatia of Italian American Crazy Radical Fuckboy sizemeat.

Welp… he’s in cuffs as we read/type!

he can get away and come live with me.

Thank you r125!

I’m at a bar and people here are buzzing about what the shooter must look like, how hot he is, etc. Basically everything all is queens are buzzing about here.

I pull up your pic and I’ve got my next two rounds of drinks already paid for me!

R122, unfortunately, he’s no hero. Actually, he’s an idiot.

Why?

Because now he will spend 25 to life in RIKERS. It’s one of the absolute worse prisons in the USA, and NOTHING is worth that, nothing!

No he won’t. He would go to state prison, unless the feds charge him separately. Rikers is a city jail — holding facility. And it will closed by the time this kid heads off to prison.

You're assuming they'll find a jury willing to convict him, R130.

He should announce he's running for president. The authorities won't be able to touch him then!

Luigi for POTUS. He has my vote.

After an extensive review of the evidence, including defense exhibit R125, we find the defendant NOT guilty.

Judge: ORDER, ORDER, OR I WILL CLEAR THIS COURTROOM

R102 I get you 100%.

Minus the Trump part. I said what I said. It might need to be done.

Rikers pre-trial, which could be quite some time.

I don't want him to go to Rikers OMG please, no!!!!!! Is there some prison in PA or WTF ever?

Why did he keep the weapon? So stupid

He should have chucked it somewhere on highway

To all you who think the killer is some sort of folk hero: Do you actually want to live in a country where some random person with a gun and a notion that he's been aggrieved in some way or other should be able, on no lawful authority whatsoever, to commit murder, be hailed a hero, and get away with the crime? People who share the idea that vigilante justice is a fine way to run a society ought to try living in a place where rules, laws, and civil rights are unreliable or non-existent. You must be happy that Trump and his gang of crooks and goons is about to take power again, eh? By the end of the next four years, we'll all likely be living in world that's closer to the kind that you seem to want.

R141 (along with the Bible and Sam Huntington) is right: Without order there is no law and without law, there is no order.

[quote] Without order there is no law and without law, there is no order.

Take up that quaint notion of law and order with Donald Dump, R141/R142.

R143, Why? I certainly didn't vote for him.

I'm 141/144.

You didn't have to vote for him to see him erode the very idea of law and order, dear R144.

I can't help but wonder if he was another recipient of a generous MK Ultra education

R141 read the Daniel Penny threads for the grim answer.

R147, that shit’s been over for decades. Video, then computer enabled games took its spot.

The former prep school valedictorian was caught with a ghost gun that uses 9mm bullets, a silencer, a US passport, four fake IDs with names used during the killer’s stint in New York City and the manifesto, sources said.

Online obituaries show he lost a grandmother in 2013 and grandfather in 2017.

His LinkedIn page indicates that he once worked in an assisted-living facility for the elderly for a few months in 2014, while still in high school.

It is unclear if Mangione has yet made any statements to cops.

Mangione also subscribed to anti-capitalist and climate-change causes, according to law-enforcement sources, citing online activity gleaned by authorities.

[R146], Are you mixed up? How can you read my post and think that I support Trump or any of his anti-human and anti-human-rights policies or proposals - or that I don’t deplore his complete lack of a functioning intellect, of any moral compass, or of any desire to abide by any norms, customs, or laws? What’s your problem?

Any statement that is nuanced, rather than a black and white binary, sets off the "you're a magat" simpletons.

The family also owned a chain of senior rehab facilities. They were milking the system just like UHC

R152, can you read? I'm saying that speaking as WITNESSES we will watch him erode the vestiges of law and order.

[quote]Do you actually want to live in a country where some random person with a gun and a notion that he's been aggrieved in some way or other should be able, on no lawful authority whatsoever, to commit murder, be hailed a hero, and get away with the crime?

Well, R141/R142 et. al., we just elected a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, a man who cheats banks, insurance companies, even children's charities, who has promised mass deportations, weaponizing the DOJ to attack political rivals, who stole documents and national secrets that would likely and have gotten others executed, and is most likely guilty of far, far worse crimes. We handed him a get out of jail free card, backed by the highest Court in the land, to do [italic]anything he wants[/italic] without recourse. And we half roughly half the population that thinks he would make a fine dictator, free to "commit murder, be hailed a hero, and get away with the crime". Think about that for a moment and I think you'll come to the realization that the majority of the left and even a good portion of those on the right feel that the rule of law is nothing but a quaint concept for the wealthy and powerful while the rest of us have to live it, and see this assassin as somewhat a folk hero a la Robin Hood.

Just what do you think is going to happen when Trump is inaugurated and declares a state of emergency to begin rounding up brown people? A calm, rational process wherein those impacted voluntarily turn themselves in? Or will we have roving "militias" — or worse, the US military — going around and "collecting" brown people? What if they resist? When Trump declares that the police have absolute immunity from prosecution, do you think they're going to be more or less likely to use lethal force under any and every circumstance? And when it becomes clear that Trump and his goons intend to create a system wherein [italic]even natural born citizens[/italic] of immigrant descent — which if you haven't noticed is everyone other than Native Americans — have no rights, no Constitutional protections, and no system of justice giving you the opportunity to prove your innocence, what happens?

What exactly is the difference between your conjecture of a lawless society and Trump's?

If Altoona couldn't drive him to suicide, nothing will.

Quite big tits

He murdered someone who may have been a piece of shit but had family and friends who cared for him. He should go to prison.

If he was unattractive you dizzy queens wouldn't give a damn.

R160 That is my sentiment as well. If he were average looking or even homely, most people here would be happy he was captured.

R159, what if, as is likely, the CEO's family and friends were also pieces of shit?

As long as we're what-iffing...

What it the CEO was his lover and they had a falling out? The whole "healthcare vigilante" scenario was supposed to be a diversion...

R162, why is it likely? That's dumb dumb talk.