Joe Biden: "The Most Tragic Figure in American Politics"

Carville lamented that Biden’s problems are “all so f--cking self-inflicted.”

“I actually feel for Biden, and he knows that he f--ked up,” he added. “And he wasn’t crooked, he didn’t pursue bad policies, he is the most tolerant, loving, caring, non-prejudiced person you could imagine and this is what he’s faced with. It’s a f--king shame.”

Despite singling out Biden in this instance, Carville has also been highly critical of the campaign run by Harris after she took over as the Democratic nominee.

Old people telling the President he's too old to serve.

Got it.

Old people including Sister Nancy. Old people doesn't include orange, orange is three years younger than the President but IT isn't people.

Did Mr. Carville name any of the "frickin' talented people" who would have been running?

Joe Biden is not the most tragic figure in American politics. Tragedy implies that somebody deserves empathy. Biden does not.

Joe Biden is a silly, stupid old fool. He deserves to be violently shaken and slapped.

Would an early exit decision by Biden have made him a more popular president? Maybe. But if not, any democrat running to succeed an unpopular democratic president would have faced major tailwinds.

You lost me at "legendary Democratic strategist".

Fuck off and die, Daily Beast.

How old are you, R7? Prior to winning in 1992, the Democrats had lost five of the last six presidential elections, winning only in the post-Watergate election of ‘76, when the Republicans ran a lackluster, non-elected, incumbent. All but one of those five defeats were lopsided losses. So yeah, getting an Arkansas governor elected in 1992 confers on Carville some real bona fides.

R2 You see I hate when liberals become conservatives. Because your big beautiful brain should tell you something. In fact, the FACT that other old people are calling him out proves this isn’t agism. Biden is a tragic figure and completely ruined his legacy.

R5 Touche.

Limp. Lame. Flaccccccidddd

A conservative but I agree with this take. Biden is a conman.

I thought William Henry Harrison won that accolade, after dying one month into his term.

Courtesy r11 in another thread:

“President Biden has been so disrespected it astonishes.”

The only good thing about Biden’s loss is how much beautiful it will be to see him become a loathed, reviled figure, and then to be ceremoniously forgotten.

Or James Garfield, shot by a would-be assassin in his first year of office, then dying at the hands of a crackpot physician.

I would give that distinction to John F. Kennedy, married to a common harlot who expected wheelchairs to be provided for her at whim.

Unless he was hollering this from the rooftops in 2022 I have no interest in what this gasbag has to say.

I mean fuck, for two days in July the pundits wanted to run Mike Bloomberg and Mitt motherfucking Romney as the Democratic candidate.

Yeah let's just turn into the second-place old white dude party. Why the fuck not.

Bitch, please. People were saying the same thing about Jimmy Carter back in December of 1980. And this old ass fool is old enough to remember. Fast foward 44 years and people are crying crocodile tears for Carter.

Drama queens, the whole lot of them

At least Carter put down some serious threats to his renomination in the persons of Ted Kennedy & Jerry Brown.

Biden said from the get-go he was going to be a "transitional" President . Where were any ELECTABLE Democratic candidates for the primary elections? I'm tired of these armchair critics trying to lay all of this shit at President Biden's feet. The turnaround Biden has lead the nation through has been a major feat.

I loathe dirtbag drumpf and his gang for infecting our electoral process with foreign interference, and the nation with all of this poisonous division.

R 21 here: I meant any other electable candidates.

He was a transitional President. The transition was to Trump.

His filthy soul is too evil for hell itself.

Instead of playing Monday Morning Quarterback for the next year, these old buffoons would be better off predicting the effect of m the upcoming Trump administration on the American public.

R17 I tend to agree. And even though I love my Momala because I have a soft spot for strong successful black women, she is guilty too. They all are.

Even if true, how is this helping? Biden was supposed to be a one term president but Jill convinced him he should run and would win. She didn’t want to go back to taking care of Joe. It’s tragic for them but Democrats need to move on.

This old goat needs to climb aboard his mobility scooter and drive it off the nearest steep cliff. No one, including his cunt wife, would miss him.

Ans have him take that useless waste of molecules Nancy Pelosi along for the ride.

At what point does ripping on Biden become elder abuse?

If he was supposed to be a one-term president, R26, where was the clamor in the party, in the base, pre-June 27, for him not to run?

He should have prosecuted Trump for Jan. 6. The country would have supported him.

R28 Who knows.

I often think of what Obama once said... “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f–k things up”.

Elder on elder abuse. You will have observed President Biden's critics are middle aged and older.

The party was too weak to nudge him out. That kind of timidity should go out with the elders. The should put Pete and AOC up front to speak for the party. You know, copy from who beat you but build trust.

[quote] Fast foward 44 years and people are crying crocodile tears for Carter.

I read this and thought, “holy shit, did Carter die?” Nope, he’s still around.

[quote] [R17] I tend to agree. And even though I love my Momala because I have a soft spot for strong successful black women, she is guilty too. They all are.

I will never allow Kamala Harris to be faulted for this. She executed as well as she possibly could have contending with all the barriers and bigotry as well as the constraints placed on her. She only had 100 days to clean up Joe's mess and she couldn't distance herself from him because of party politics. Black women are always being asked to make lemonade out of lemons.

Democrats desperately don’t want to make people mad at them. They didn’t stand up to Biden because it would make them look unfair to the elderly. And they approved Kamala because they didn’t want to look bigoted.

Bey that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about covering up Biden’s mental decline. Now fuck off you frivolous cunt. don’t get me Beyhive.

They didn’t stand up to Biden because of Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy in 1980. It severely weakened the sitting president. HOWEVER organizations need to stop letting past history dictate completely different scenarios. Let the past guide you, don’t let it lead you.

I blame Pete. If he hadn't caved to Biden, things would have gone differently.

Can Carville please shut the fuck up, please and thank you.

The most tragic figure in American politics is whoever told Carville to wear that shirt.

ANYONE suggestion we need AOC to the rescue, a still-shiny spectacular do-nothing, is seriously mentally ill, or knows absolutely nothing about politics.

AOC spent over 18 million bucks in her district in 2020 and got fewer votes than Biden did in her district and about 50% fewer votes than Nancy Pelosi got in her district. In 2022, out of every winning House incumbent in NY state she received the fewest votes.

Her pretty face gets the tv camera's attention, but she has accomplished precious little, is a poor team player, gets underwhelming support with her own voters and has done little to distinguish herself in office. WHY on earth is she always listed as some Democratic savior?

He was always an asshole. Ask Anita Hill.

Is Biden morphing into Andy Warhol?

Does he get the Ruth Bader Ginsburg Award for staying too long at the party with dire consequences?

Dana Carvey right on the money as Biden. No empathy for Biden or his people.. Get him gone and install the criminal then we’ll see what we have to do to survive. Won’t be tuning in for Biden funeral though- will be busy surviving Little Orange Dicktator.

R47 Well in’t that special.

Yes R46.

Last October Carville was all about the Harris landslide.

R50, I think Carville, like so many others, was just trying to rally voters. I think he - like Plouffe & the campaign insiders, including Harris - knew better of their real chances.

A lot of Biden’s issues were his own doing, When he makes a mistake it’s huge. Hunter is a complete disaster. I can’t think of a more fucked up child of a President.

And, R52, he knew that when he ran for president in ‘20. If he valued his surviving son more than his lifelong ambition, he would never have sought the office then.

When is carville the gargoyle going to bow out?

Were you saying that, R54, when he was among the most vocal of those calling for Biden to leave the race post-June 27?

I had hoped he would drop out, but Ukraine and Oct. 7 probably made him think it was impossible. For better or worse, that old school foreign policy expertise has fallen by the wayside. Americans, most especially those enthralled by Trump, simply don’t see how the post-WWIi economic dominance is a result of tilting the world in our favor with carrots, sticks, and the nearly universal currency. Biden gets that, but Americans just think we have a huge economy because we are better than everyone else. Hard lessons ahead.

Well part of that was everything being done seccretly through the CIA instead of selling Americans on world involvement.

A great tragedy - among others - in Biden’s life is that he finally reached his lifelong ambition to be president when he was just too old.

There was nothing wrong with Biden having attained the Presidency at 78.

Refusing to step down at 82 proves however he never deserved the Presidency.

It would have been better if he had not been born.

[quote]It would have been better if he had not been born.

Not true!

I started one of his YouTube videos last month and within the first few minutes he was yelling, “and weuh gon git dose bastuds!!”

It’s not 1992 anymore and I just don’t see him as anything more than a relic that legacy media props up.

Biden’s tragedy will be nothing compared to ours. The billionaires are going to chop America up piece by piece over the next 4 years. Biden might feel bad, and he certainly has one of the better legislative presidencies, but he is not going to have to live with this.

On the other hand, Biden - aided by not having to wage much of a campaign - may have been the only Democrat who could have won in ‘20. And all those who contributed to Trump winning in ‘16; e.g., Berniecrats, Jill Stein voters, shoulder much more responsibility for the unfolding tragedy than does Biden.

The current tragedy is 100% Biden’s.

Filthy soul. Hell itself.

More Richard II than Lear

I truly don’t get the Carville hate at all. He is on our side, he always has been, he is progressive — he just refuses to call himself one because you can’t win with that label in this country.

He was THE most vocal critic of Biden from the very beginning. He attacked Dump harder than almost anyone else. I won’t be surprised if Carville is fucking arrested for being a MFing patriot. Why don’t you point your fucking poison at the people who deserve, aka BIDEN?? And PUTIN? And DUMP? And MUSK? They are all traitors. Maybe Kamala too, I’m still deciding. Look at all the Dems getting in line now. Fucking Fetterman saying how much he loves Musk?!?!?? Ro saying he’s excited about DOGE?!? These are our Traitors, anyone who bends the knee to these fucks. I fail to see how Carville has even once bent the knee or kissed the fucking ring.

Carville doesn’t worship Biden at all. He is merely saying that this did NOT have to be this way. Had Biden not LIED about running for one term, we could have (maybe) won it. We DO have a deep bench of talent. America instead has been fucking conquered by Putin. It is over for real now. We have literally not one leader fighting for us. They’re either too scared or too bribed, or both. And Russia is now working on the rest of the West too. We had a good run, now it’s time to say goodbye. Sorry/not sorry — this is reality. I am fairly certain we will see leaders tried and executed for treason.

They are building camps, 3 that I know of, they plan to keep deportees there and NOT ship them out, they will instead use them to pick our produce. These are ***Nazis*** taking over. This is going to be a Holocaust. And there’s no where to run, even if you have money, they are taking over *everywhere* now. We had our shot to stop it, and we fucking failed. Elon believes humanity needs an “extinction event” to evolve lololol. Buckle up mother fuckers. Unless Biden grows a pair and has some of them offed by SpecOps, we done fucked.

Doesn't matter who ran against Trump. This election was always going to be stolen for Trump.

It is easier to blame Biden who has been working his elderly ASS off than to blame the tens of millions of Democrats, Gen Z morons and deadly non-voters who just couldn't be bothered to drag their asses to the voting booth even given the guaranteed generational calamity that Trump will deliver!

Fuck you assholes!

Fuck you James Carville!

R66, you should go to work for Trump. You’re great at scaring people and demoralizing them. That’s what he lives for.

I agree with R67. That has seemed so obvious to me, since the day after election day, when Kamala "lost".

I thought it would be obvious to mostly everyone, but apparently, I am in a small minority.

I really do with Carville would just stroke out or die. He's another one who pretends to know lots of things, but knows little to nothing. He was ranting and raving that there was no way Trump could win. He should go into hiding and hang his ugly head in shame, just like so many other know-nothing fools who said Trump would lose mightily.

Yes and no r26. The real reason was that Dr Jill just couldn’t stand the idea of going back to flying commercial.

[quote]Historians searching for the real reason the Bidens clung to power too long may look no further than the looming loss of Air Force One. After flying private a few times with gilded friends, I am convinced it’s the single most seductive experience in the world. You realize there is no one you wouldn’t kill, betray, or sleep with to ensure a lifetime of luxe relief from the armpit of mass transit.

R56 I remember reading somewhere that inside the Biden camp there was never a plan not to run in 2024. I think he used the transitional president line to get the nomination and then used everything he could to justify going for another term ("look at out midterms results!", "I am the only one who has beaten Trump!", "I wasn't going to run until Trump came back!", "the economy is growing!"). He strikes me as the type of person with a bit of a chip on his shoulder who thought he deserved two terms and his place in history. There are no signs that after being sworn in her ever really considered not running again, especially given the way that instead of building Kamala Harris up they made no effort to improve her standing with voters and gave her impossible assignments like fixing the border.

Every successful and non-successful President shares all of those traits, r73.

r73 100% agree.

Actually, r5, President Biden is a perfect example of a Shakespearean Tragic Figure, to wit: A man in a high position who falls from that height due to an internal flaw. Some might say that Joe's "internal flaw" is pride.

R73, A "bit" of a chip?!

I will always blame Obama, which I've posted here before. Think about it.

Vice-President Biden goes against Trump in 2016 and wins. Eight years later, whoever then is VP succeeds Biden for another eight years of Democratic leadership.

But nooooo. Barack wanted to play the history-making Queen-Maker, and we see how HRC turned out.

Then, like a slow learner, Biden does the very same thing by promoting Kamala, and America once again rejects a woman for President.

As the line in "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" sardonically says, "Welcome to Hell."

Biden most certainly would have lost the Democratic nomination to Hillary Clinton if he had decided to run in 2016. If Hillary had decided not to run, he would have certainly lost to Bernie Sanders.

People just don’t like him.

In Obama's defense, no one took Biden - who'd been futilely running for the top job since the '80s - too seriously as a viable presidential contender.

R77 Why do you assume Biden wins in 2016? He scraped over the line in 2020 in the midst of Covid and with Trump being a disaster. He was fortunate to be able to campaign from his basement and not have to do as many campaign events. Other than that he's had a very poor record in presidential politics and running essentially as third Obama term in 2016 would not have guaranteed success when a lot of people wanted change. He wasn't even terribly popular in 2016, hence him not running against Clinton.

R78, 2020.

And Hillary would never have challenged Biden for the nomination. Not if Joe had had Obama's imprimatur.

Bernie? Be serious, FGS.

I’ve blocked R78, so don’t know what R81 is responding to, but there is no way that, having so narrowly lost out in ‘08, Hillary was not running in ‘16. She left Foggy Bottom after one term to position herself for that race.

No, r80. It had nothing to do with your notion of "popular." Please don't act like either HRC or the unknown Trump were more popular than him AT THAT TIME.

You ignore the impact that the promotion and blessing of the VERY popular Barack Obama might have had, all that "most experienced, most qualified" blather he instead lavished on the very UNPOPULAR Hillary.

Yeah, yeah, Covid. Whatever. Explain 2024, then.

R83 People forget now, but Hillary was popular after her term as Secretary of State. Go and look at the polls in 2013-15 for the Democratic Nomination and she is miles ahead, at 60% in most polls while Joe is in the mid-teens. It made no sense for Obama to endorse Joe, a twice-failed presidential candidate who had been a VP that always put his foot in his mouth, over her, who he admired and respected.

They both would have "lost" against Trump because the election was rigged. Just like this past one.

The reason Biden won in 2020 is because Covid caused massive mail-in voting...it circumvented the machines which were all set, programmed, and rarin' to go!

It's why Trump freaked out over mail-in voting. Notice Trump didn't freak out about it this year???

Anyway, Covid saved us. As I've written in these threads before, I suspect Biden actually won by a much greater margin than 7 million votes.

A recount in any swing state would have verified that.

And remember the recount in Arizona? They found no extra votes for Trump. They did, however, find a few extra for Biden, but you didn't hear much about those!!

[quote]We had a good run, now it’s time to say goodbye. Sorry/not sorry — this is reality. I am fairly certain we will see leaders tried and executed for treason. They are building camps, 3 that I know of, they plan to keep deportees there and NOT ship them out, they will instead use them to pick our produce. These are ***Nazis*** taking over. This is going to be a Holocaust. And there’s no where to run, even if you have money, they are taking over *everywhere* now.

You're hopelessly criminally insane.

No, you are R86. You pushed for a man you know to be both mentally ill and mentally incompetent to be put in charge of our government. Every Trump voter deserves being unalived because none of them can pretend they thought he was able to perform it. But of course that won't happen and everything that does happen they will pretend to be surprised about even though they consciously voted for it. Not an honest person in the bunch.

I remember when he was Obamas vice president and hot

I mean everyone has a death wish, but Trump voters have a death wish for civilization and I take exception to that.

R84 Hillary “won” in 2016. And I say that because the Dems were playing checkers while Trump was playing chess. He played directly to low propensity voters in swing states and it worked out. The margins were much slimmer than Trump v. Harris. Much much slimmer. That’s why she still won 3 million more votes than him.

He was not "playing chess." He was desperately lying lying the moron he is.

“ unalived “ r87 ? use actual words pls

An insurrectionist is ineligible to hold public office. So whatever they're doing with the transfer of power is illegal to start with.

This is all on Joe Biden. He's the one joyfully leaving us with a fascist dictator, whereas he will probably relocate to Paris or so to enjoy the rest of his life.

That’s a funny picture. Biden looks thrilled while Trump looks miserable.,Actually Trump looks miserable since he won. Is it really so much fun being President?

R94, yeah, it's possible that Trump doesn't really want to be President. He may not want the burdens and responsibilities of governing. As former Republican Congressman Will Hurd said last year, the main reason Trump ran for President again was to make his legal problems go away.

I always thought that pile up of charges against him was a bad idea. No one could stop the private civil suits but some of the other cases. Biden should have made a deal to pardon him if he went away. Oh well.

Carville lost me with his long monologues about how Dump wipes his ass

[quote] As former Republican Congressman Will Hurd said last year, the main reason Trump ran for President again was to make his legal problems go away.

Which is why the root cause of a second Trump term is those who wanted to get political revenge using the courts instead of just letting it go and letting Trump fade away into retirement.

Nonsense R98. Trump has been in legal jeopardy his whole life and it was gaining momentum.

Indeed, he would have pardoned himself in 2021 if that were the case. Stop excusing this evil pos.