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El Salvador's President is triumphant after his bet on bitcoin comes true

SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador (AP) — As bitcoin reached historic highs, surpassing $100,000 for the first tim e, El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele was triumphant on Thursday about his big bet on the cryptocurrency.

The adoption of bitcoin — which has been legal tender in the Central American nation since 2021 — never quite matched the president’s enthusiasm, but the value of the government’s reported investment now stands at more than $600 million.

Bitcoin has rallied mightily since Donald Trump’s election victory last month, exceeding the $100,000 mark on Wednesday night, just hours after the president-elect said he intends to nominate cryptocurrency advocate Paul Atkins to be the next chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Just two years ago, bitcoin’s volatile value fell below $17,000. Bitcoin fell back below the $100,000 by Thursday afternoon, sitting just above $99,000 by 3 p.m. E.T.

Bukele on Thursday blamed his beleaguered political opposition for causing many Salvadorans to miss out on the bonanza.

There were street protests when the Congress made bitcoin legal tender in June 2021, though that move was not the only motivation for the protesters.

The tiny Central American country has long used the dollar as currency, but Bukele promised bitcoin would provide new opportunities for El Salvador’s unbanked and cut out money transfer services from the remittances Salvadorans abroad send home. The government offered $30 in bitcoin to those who signed up for digital wallets.

Many did so, but quickly cashed out the cryptocurrency.

“It’s important to emphasize that not only did the opposition err resoundingly with bitcoin, but rather, differently from other issues (where they have also been wrong), this time their opposition affected many,” Bukele wrote on Facebook.

Bukele drew an "impressive” comment from Elon Musk on the social media platform X Thursday.

El Salvador’s former Central Bank President Carlos Acevedo pointed out on Thursday that while there has been a gain, it remains an unrealized one until the government’s bitcoin is sold. That said, he credited Bukele’s administration with doing well on the bitcoin move, especially in light of Trump’s election.

Acevedo said “the markets’ optimism that a Trump administration will be friendly with the markets and particularly with bitcoin” explained its sustained rally over the past month.

But the cryptocurrency’s volatility was a persistent risk, he said.

“The average Salvadoran doesn’t use bitcoin, but obviously there are Salvadorans with economic resources who even before had already invested in bitcoin, but it is a small group,” Acevedo said.

Esteban Escamilla, a worker in a clothing store in Santa Tecla, outside the capital San Salvador, said he had cashed out the original $30 of bitcoin offered in 2021.

“I don’t use bitcoin because I don’t have (money) to invest and speculate with, but I know it has gone up a lot,” he said, recognizing that he would have more money now if he had kept it in bitcoin.

Josefa Torres, 45, said as she was doing her grocery shopping that she didn’t have any bitcoin either. “I took out the money and used it for household expenses,” she said.

At the conclusion of meetings between the International Monetary Fund and El Salvador’s government in August, the IMF issued a statement that mentioned the country’s bitcoin holdings.

“While many of the risks have not yet materialized, there is joint recognition that further efforts are needed to enhance transparency and mitigate potential fiscal and financial stability risks from the Bitcoin project,” the IMf said.

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by Anonymousreply 64December 9, 2024 9:14 PM

It has been a good year for dictators, I can tell you that much.

by Anonymousreply 1December 6, 2024 10:10 PM

So did he sell his investment in bitcoin? .. Because one doesn't really get the capital gain on a good investment until you sell it.

by Anonymousreply 2December 6, 2024 10:15 PM

I understand it to be a bet *against* sovereign governments and their currencies. Transaction costs are too high and it's too volatile for it to be a primary currency; that could change, but as of now it's true.

by Anonymousreply 3December 6, 2024 10:29 PM

Bitcoin being a method of payment might be a pipedream, but right now it's doing pretty well as digital gold - a store of value

by Anonymousreply 4December 6, 2024 10:34 PM

The question is *why* is it acting like a store of value.

by Anonymousreply 5December 6, 2024 10:35 PM

The same "why" as any other store of value. People's current belief that it is a store of value.

by Anonymousreply 6December 6, 2024 10:40 PM

I could see putting it into a sovereign investment fund and then his people might prosper. But to give poor people $30 in bitcoin and put the onus on them to save it feels like socializing risk and privatizing reward. Yet another greedy crypto scumbag.

by Anonymousreply 7December 6, 2024 10:42 PM

No; gold has real industrial value and aesthetic value.

Does Bitcoin have either?

by Anonymousreply 8December 6, 2024 10:42 PM

r8 the market is what determines the value of a commodity irrespective of their usefulness.

by Anonymousreply 9December 6, 2024 11:05 PM

If you need to leave your country, good luck taking your gold with you.

You can take your Bitcoin with you anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 10December 6, 2024 11:06 PM

R9 -- nobody is disputing that. The question is *why* the market assigns such and such a value.

R10 -- you can take GLDs and your entire investment portfolio with you, presumably. So how is Bitcoin more portable?

by Anonymousreply 11December 6, 2024 11:11 PM

I'm with R11 - it all seems like a way to launder money to me. It's not tied to anything - just digital.

And so many stupid illogical statement about what it is that never makes any sense - which means it's a fucking scam.

So is the President now going to sell all of it? It will go down again.

by Anonymousreply 12December 6, 2024 11:14 PM

Bitcoin is bullshit. Beanie Babies for incels

by Anonymousreply 13December 6, 2024 11:16 PM

Anyone interested in buying a tulip bulb?

by Anonymousreply 14December 6, 2024 11:19 PM

Buy CAN ALL PET !!

by Anonymousreply 15December 6, 2024 11:23 PM

I am not necessarily a skeptic. I just want someone to articulate a coherent explanation of its worth.

by Anonymousreply 16December 6, 2024 11:37 PM

Shitcoin is a scam

by Anonymousreply 17December 6, 2024 11:40 PM

There is no coherent explanation, other than it is medium to bypass existing banking and finance regulations. I’ll keep my i vestments in actual dollars and euros, thank you very much.

by Anonymousreply 18December 6, 2024 11:41 PM

Dollars and Euros? Assets that are guaranteed to lose value every year due to inflation? Good luck with that.

by Anonymousreply 19December 6, 2024 11:52 PM

"the market is what determines the value of a commodity irrespective of their usefulness."

"The market" is also full of unscrupulous dirtball scumbags like Elmo Musk, Donald Trump and Icky Ramasmarmy, people you wouldn't trust with a cockroach's life, much less your savings, out to fuck you over totally and completely.

This is why all of these clowns all have such hardons for getting rid of regulatory agencies. They want to play musical chairs, and they want to be sure they are the ones controlling the music. Better to piss your money away on alcohol, drugs or hookers than to get it anywhere these god damned thieves.

by Anonymousreply 20December 7, 2024 12:01 AM

Hot? Or not?

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by Anonymousreply 21December 7, 2024 12:08 AM

R14 - LOL - going in with a 17th century reference!

I appreciate the reference - although I suspect it went right over everyone's heads.

by Anonymousreply 22December 7, 2024 12:10 AM

Not, R21.

by Anonymousreply 23December 7, 2024 12:15 AM

R19 how is bitcoin valued—? Tell me, please. In dollars numbnut.

by Anonymousreply 24December 7, 2024 12:24 AM

Bitcoin derives its value in the same way any currency does: by fulfilling the six characteristics of money. Those characteristics are: durability, portability, divisibility, fungibility, scarcity, and acceptability.

by Anonymousreply 25December 7, 2024 12:52 AM

It hardly has any, much less all, of those characteristics. Donbetter.

by Anonymousreply 26December 7, 2024 1:17 AM

I know Mr Don better than you.

by Anonymousreply 27December 7, 2024 1:18 AM

How much is that in drachmas?

by Anonymousreply 28December 7, 2024 1:26 AM

why the fuck is it so high? I want it to crash!!!

by Anonymousreply 29December 7, 2024 1:39 AM

Bitcoin is a figment of TechBros imagination.

It's a made up currency that they collectively decided will have "value."

Exactly like declaring a Tulip Bulb as a medium of currency.

Then they talked it up and tried to get other people on board.

Started out with no/low value, and sold it as the "hottest new currency" to convince other suckers to buy it.

Somehow, it caught on.

And now? Well, the rest is history.

But none of that changes the fact that it's a bullshit figment of the imagination.

And when it falls, it will fall HARD.

Because people will inevitably see that the Emperor Has No Clothes.

But not before the scam artists cash it out and convert it to ACTUAL money, like gold, dollars or Euro.

That's the real scam.

by Anonymousreply 30December 7, 2024 1:41 AM

ALERT WALL STREET!! r30 has cracked the code for making money in the stock market!

Buy Low - Sell High!!

Why has no one on Wall Street heard this before?

by Anonymousreply 31December 7, 2024 2:29 AM

Clearly hit a nerve with R31 for exposing the scam.

by Anonymousreply 32December 7, 2024 2:36 AM

Please wait by your mailbox R32 for your Nobel Prize for this work to better humanity.

by Anonymousreply 33December 7, 2024 2:42 AM

When did progressives become so anti progress. In fact when did progressives become conservatives.

by Anonymousreply 34December 7, 2024 2:50 AM

Any dick pics?

by Anonymousreply 35December 7, 2024 9:45 AM

durability -- it's too soon to declare victory on that, it's only been around for about 15 years

acceptability -- FAIL. Try going to Wal-Mart or the gas station and buying something with it.

by Anonymousreply 36December 7, 2024 11:10 AM

The naysayers in this thread are going to eat their words with regards to crypto. Anyway, I've been investing in Bitcoin and other alt coins since 2017. My portfolio was in the toilet from 2022-2024 (summer). As soon as Trump won, I kid you not, the damn thing shot up like 200%. Specifically with XRP.

There is also speculation, and I can't even believe I'm saying this, that Dogecoin is going to "moon" because of the Musk-Trump-DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) effect.

I wouldn't sleep on crypto or scoff at it if I were you. There is definitely value, there and money to be made. I am a personal witness to it.

Maybe take an hour out of your day to hear other perspectives from those familiar and keep an open mind.

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by Anonymousreply 37December 7, 2024 11:44 AM

[quote] I wouldn't sleep on crypto or scoff at it if I were you. There is definitely value, there and money to be made. I am a personal witness to it.

I hope it crashes to zero.

SOON.

It's worthless garbage, invented by worthless garbage.

by Anonymousreply 38December 7, 2024 11:49 AM

r38 Lol, okay.

by Anonymousreply 39December 7, 2024 11:55 AM

^ Meant to post along with r39.

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by Anonymousreply 40December 7, 2024 11:56 AM

these crypto people all seem really rapey

by Anonymousreply 41December 7, 2024 12:09 PM

Bitcoin is a store of value - it isn't meant to become spendable money and nobody who is into Bitcoin has thought so for many years. It has advantages over gold as a store of value - the industrial applications of gold aren't relevant in that sense, the only thing it has over bitcoin as a SoV is aesthetic. In every other way Bitcoin is superior. Other crypto/blockchain technology has useful applications, but they are usually not related to the token. NFTs would be very pro consumer for example if microtransactions in gaming were done that way - like if the cosmetics or trading cards you would now rent a license from a publisher to access would be actual items you owned and could resell for value or use on different platforms. The idea of owning exclusive digital goods will make a lot more sense to younger people - who currently get bragging rights from having cool Fortnite skins or Roblox asssets. Who already hang out in VR chats, discord, minecraft, and roblox all day. Using the blockchain for tracking various logistics is useful too - like keeping track of timesheets or invoices or using crypto tech as authorization tokens for secure logins. You could build secure online voting systems on blockchain.

R37 is right, Trump's cabinet of crypto conmen will usher in an insane bullrun. All of you have the opportunity to make a ton of money by buying altcoins right now. I don't think a lot of them have a long term future but I don't know why anyone would feel bad about taking a piece of the oligarchs pie for themselves.

by Anonymousreply 42December 7, 2024 12:32 PM

[quote]I don't know why anyone would feel bad about taking a piece of the oligarchs pie for themselves.

r42 Will and did!

Before deciding to dine on the spoils of war, however, it's imperative to educate oneself on the many drawbacks of crypto in order to leverage the medium to your advantage. It's no secret that the crypto space is full of scammers. Just be smart and as is the case with investing in general, never put up what you're not willing to lose.

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by Anonymousreply 43December 7, 2024 3:01 PM

^ Fixed YouTube link. The guy walks through how a rug pull is done.

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by Anonymousreply 44December 7, 2024 3:04 PM

R37 shouldn’t you be on X? DL is beneath you.

by Anonymousreply 45December 7, 2024 4:32 PM

I'm definitely buying crypto. I have put it off for too long, my friend told me to buy Bitcoin when it was 6,000 only. It's now over 100, 000.

What i want to know is which exchange should I use? Coinbase? What about buying a hard wallet?

by Anonymousreply 46December 7, 2024 4:53 PM

r46 's friend is now so rich from bitcoin that they are no longer speaking to him.

DL is mainly a cash in the mattress crowd.

by Anonymousreply 47December 7, 2024 6:36 PM

[quote] Just be smart and as is the case with investing in general, never put up what you're not willing to lose

Hey, that sounds just like Vegas and gambling!

by Anonymousreply 48December 7, 2024 8:51 PM

[quote]DL is mainly a cash in the mattress crowd.

The mattress is where I earned it and the mattress is where I'm keeping it!

by Anonymousreply 49December 7, 2024 8:54 PM

Memba when they said the internet was a nothingburger?

by Anonymousreply 50December 7, 2024 8:57 PM

R44 I know. I've been farming rugpulls on Solana here and there, they dump at 200k/300k mcap like clockwork. Use bots to find tokens near graduation with high activity and exit quickly.

R46 I'd just use Coinbase and buy BTC/ADA/Hbar/XRP/Cake/Uni/Base/Sui - you really only need a wallet to trade stuff that isn't on CEXs or if you're worried about Coinbase itself collapsing. I would focus mostly on BTC for long term savings but if you want to take profits in 3mo-1year then altcoins are likely to be a lot more volatile. The beginning of the real crypto euphoria will start kicking up around inauguration - I wouldn't panic about even quite large corrections in the meantime. If you wanted to bet on something a little less sound, I think there's an inevitable Elon statement based pump coming for DOGE and Pepe will run during inauguration day. Look at anything with a huge gap between current value and previous ATH and then do some digging into whether the crypto crowd is bullish on how they'll do during the Trump era. Buy stocks when tariffs tank them. I thought about buying deportation stocks but that felt a little too grim for me - and who knows how lawsuits and political controversy will impact them. Like GEO.

by Anonymousreply 51December 7, 2024 9:56 PM

r42, IIRC, they were originally saying that crypto would eventually be more than a SoV, that it would be used for daily transactions, like ordering lunch, paying bills, etc. But it has been far too speculative for that sort of thing. Who wants to pay the equivalent of $15 for lunch today, and next week you could be paying the equivalent of $400 for the same meal? So now they're changing their tune and saying, "oh, guess what. We don't really need it for buying daily stuff. We just need it as a SoV."

Ok, got it.

by Anonymousreply 52December 8, 2024 4:44 AM

Technologies evolve and change.

by Anonymousreply 53December 8, 2024 4:58 AM

Ok, it's just that I used to hear about how they get hacked etc...

by Anonymousreply 54December 8, 2024 4:59 AM

Bitcoin itself has not been hacked since its inception. Interfaces, such as wallets, where cryptocurrencies are handled are still vulnerable to attacks. Conversely, people and websites have been hacked as they are much easier targets

Bitcoin is considered hack-proof because the Bitcoin blockchain is constantly reviewed by the entire network. Thus, attacks on the blockchain itself are very unlikely.

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by Anonymousreply 55December 8, 2024 5:07 AM

R52 Centuries ago, gold and silver were used as currency to exchange for goods. Then as time went on, the materials themselves were used to mint new currency, and then later on the dollar was backed by gold (see: The Gold Standard).

There has been speculation that Bitcoin could become a digital gold of sorts and once the USD goes digital it will be backed by Bitcoin similar to the Gold Standard.

R54 What was getting hacked were the CEX (central exchanges) where Bitcoin was traded. People who left their Bitcoin on CEX wallets (which you should never do) lost their Bitcoin due to the CEX hacks. Always buy only from the CEX of your choice (I use Coinbase and Binance.US) and then immediately transfer the crypto to a wallet (software or hardware).

Most wallets are encrypted secured with a "seed phrase" that prevents unauthorized access. Just never share your seed phrase with anyone and and never lose it.

R51 Is right. The high performing alt coins like SOL, XRP, ADA, etc. and meme coins like DOGE and PEPE are forces to be reckoned with. We're in a bull run right now and as silly and annoying as it sounds, the Trump and Elon influence is real. There is a reason Gen Z males broke for Trump. A lot of them are into crypto heavy and Trump built his platform on making the US the "crypto capital of the world."

They're looking to make lots of money and there is a lot of money to be made in the crypto space. They couldn't care less about Trump or Elon's character.

The crypto space can be a crude "bro" space (see below). But I don't really gaf about all of that, I have seen and experienced the high returns personally and will continue to hodl and take profits regardless.

Disclaimer: I'm skeptical about XRP going to $23. Due to its supply, that would make its market cap higher than Bitcoin. The video is just to highlight that crude 4chan-esque disposition I'm talking about.

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by Anonymousreply 56December 8, 2024 5:46 AM

I also wanted to note that there is a significant relationship between AI and crypto that should not be ignored. I forgot to include this:

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by Anonymousreply 57December 8, 2024 8:05 AM

Thank you, I'm going to check out the videos

by Anonymousreply 58December 8, 2024 8:08 AM

R56 I'd be careful with Solana. It's hot right now but I think it could all fall apart. Pumpfun banning livestreams definitely bought Solana some time, but I only buy Solana to use on the network I wouldn't hold it long. BASE and Sui will be the memecoin networks of the near future imo. The solana token itself has over 90 percent of its supply in less than 1 percent of top wallets and has dealt with network shutdowns etc. It's associated with the lowest of the low tier of scams - but betting on racist crackhead coins is kind of fun.

by Anonymousreply 59December 8, 2024 12:18 PM

R56 the trick is to exit the incoming bullrun before major corrections with any tokens you're not really that bullish on. if you wouldn't hold it for years under kamala sell it 3-6 months into trump.

by Anonymousreply 60December 8, 2024 12:19 PM

^^^^ so is it merely a trade, or is it an asset with long term value?

by Anonymousreply 61December 8, 2024 10:20 PM

R61 I don't believe in anything specific long term outside of Bitcoin - I do think other crypto has real utility, but I don't know enough to pick the winners in that regard, which is a different question from who will really benefit from the Trump bullrun.

by Anonymousreply 62December 8, 2024 10:41 PM

Why BTC and not Ether? I've read about Ether's supposedly superior technology, and it's the clear #2.

by Anonymousreply 63December 8, 2024 10:44 PM

R63 I just don't know enough about the tech to be confident that ETH will be the dominant dApp network. I think buying ETH is a great idea. I think ETHs competitors have a lot of room to grow in the short term on the basis of retail coming in during the bullrun getting turned off by gas fees. Bitcoin is simpler to understand because its function is simple.

by Anonymousreply 64December 9, 2024 9:14 PM
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