Ramaswamy tells federal workers: Get back to office 8 to 6

Sociopath says what?

Traffic is already worse than pre pandemic levels. Agencies don’t have space. Good luck, Vivek.

If they're planning on moving jobs out of Washington that means they plan on hiring new office space elsewhere. How exactly is that efficient, rather than just allowing people to WFH? They don't even have the legacy cost of the existing office space to hide behind here.

Many federal workers were working remotely before the pandemic lock-down occurred.

It’s not efficient, but it allows them to replace many federal workers with people screened for MAGA values in red states, or to eliminate their jobs when they don’t want to move to bumfuck.

I despise these two cretins.

Firing, or forced quitting, of qualified individuals because your flaccid cheeks are chapped just because they aren't in-office so you can't have their morale deadened to the point they want to die is sociopathic.

You cannot replace them or their contribution with rando bootlickers. And only clueless chodes who have no idea how govt actually functions could possibly believe that there are that many people who do nothing and need to be let go.

Is it normal to work 8-6 in the Public Service in America? How's the work, life balance?

Remember the recent story, about the lady who died at her desk and wasn't found for almost a week R7? And no one noticed or cared?

That sums up the " ...work, life balance...".

R7 core hours must be covered. Normally the work day when reporting into the office can start ans early as 7 am and the last check out was 6 pm. The employee might work 5x8 or 4x 10 that sort of thing.

Core hours were like 9-3. The above was called flexi time

Yeah

Do they expect 25% of the workforce to quit because they have to return to office? That’s not going to happen.

[quote] Remember the recent story, about the lady who died at her desk and wasn't found for almost a week [R7]? And no one noticed or cared?

That’s terrible!

We need that racist Karen on the airline shuttle bus to yell at Viveka and put him in his place.

R8, R9 thanks.

Actually the number of federal employees has barely changed for decades (even though the country's population has grown in that time).

It's at the state and local level that the number of government workers has risen. But Vivek can't be bothered with facts.

Adding two hours to the typical daily 9-5 is not conducive to a good work model.

8am to 6pm are private sector hours. Government is 9am to 4:30pm.

When was the last time he put in an actual 40 hour work week, with actual work?

Has he ever?

The 10 hour work day is a corporate scam, intended to coerce the lower level workers to put in extra hours. Trust me, with my experience in corporate, the upper level managers and CEOs were always taking 2 hour lunches, doctors appointments, golf outings, etc.

[quote] Do they expect 25% of the workforce to quit because they have to return to office? That’s not going to happen.

5 days a week isn't going to work for me. I got 3 years before I'm fully vested in my maximum pension benefit, so you got three options, Viveka:

(1) I continue to WFH; (2) I get a ADA medical accommodation to continue to WFH; -or (3) I go out on disability.

Which do you prefer?

Very truly yours,

Patricia Vendor Management

A lot of Feds would have put off retirement back in the day if they could have worked from home. No committing into DC would have been like being given a giant bump in pay and in reducing stress.

I would expect to see a large number of retirements. And some of the younger quiting who never realized that working from home was not always going to be a given.

Then reorganizing and a hiring freeze. The kicker will be Congress. Many in Congress love the feds who vote for them in areas where there are lots of feds and many in Congress love certain programs a lot.

Many federal workers were "working" remotely before the pandemic lock-down occurred.

The ones who can find better jobs, WILL.

Ramsmarmy and Muskhole will end up with a bunch of brain dead maggots.

Just wait until contractors don’t get paid, people don’t get ther IRS refunds and businesses can’t get their carry back refunds. Oooo, honey.

YOU won’t get paid, either. So I guess that will work out real well for you.

And how in the fuck are these pricks in charge of ANYTHING?

R23 You miss the point of all this bullshit. It is to destroy the workings of the federal government, not make it work more efficient. Sure there is a lot of bureaucracy in the government, but it is there for a reason. It is geared to make things work, to employ qualified and experienced people, and to work for the betterment of the government and the nation. The people Trump wants to appoint fit none of that criteria.

[quote]Adding two hours to the typical daily 9-5 is not conducive to a good work model.

And force me to rewrite my song.

Pussy. Make it an even 7am -7pm. Go big or go home.

Noticeably quiet: donald-appointed, holdover Postmaster General Louis DeJoy.

What's DeGrinch up to these days besides raising USPS fees across the board for the holidays? (Rates increased on October 8th and are claimed to be "temporary." Righttt!)

R24, not so fast. I’ve worked for and around government much of my life. There is indeed a shit-ton of graft, greed, games, and grease. However, I’ve always just seen it as “the cost of doing business”. Yes, people find ways to make money off the Fed, big time. As long as the government continues to function and serve, I can’t be bothered to care too too much. Biden invested in infrastructure, there’s construction projects everywhere now, it can and does work when it’s done properly.

So is there fat that should be trimmed? 100%. Is there abuse that should be dealt with? 100%. But putting these jamokes in charge— these UNELECTED jamokes I might add — is ludicrous. They aren’t great at making money, and they sure as fuck don’t care about being servants for the people. They weren’t elected, they aren’t great businessmen, AND they are Fascists, so we be fucked.

If the mission of the government is “of the people, for the people, by the people” then it can’t be these clowns. OR, since Elon likes to pretend he’s such a great businessman, write a new mission statement, do a fucking rebrand. Redo: Mission, Vision, Values, Purpose. He wouldn’t dare to do that because then he’d have to actually show his ass. But it sure as fuck would help us all get on the same goddamn page!

America!!!!! You’ve just been conquered!!!!! The whole world knows it, except you!!! Everyone around the globe reviles most Americans because we allowed this to happen and now it’s going to come to the rest of the west too. To the world….i am so sorry. I fought so fucking hard to stop this. They crushed us.

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that's patently false

oops forgot the quote

[quote]They aren’t great at making money

[quote]America!!!!! You’ve just been conquered!!!!! The whole world knows it, except you!!! Everyone around the globe reviles most Americans because we allowed this to happen and now it’s going to come to the rest of the west too. To the world….i am so sorry. I fought so fucking hard to stop this. They crushed us.

This.

By what authority will he exercise this nonsense. God Trump has unleashed idiocy.

They have a lot of workers because the feds have a shit ton of forms that must be completed for every little thing. Cut back on the red tape, asshole.

They should both be forced to sit in a cubicle exactly as long as the workers they demand be there. No, "work" is not flying around in a private jet surrounded by sycophants. Let them see exactly what it is, and let them enjoy each and every tedious, fucked up minute of it.

This is apparently what we get after Fox & co spend decades bashing and demonizing “the government.” Hurt it. Weaken it. Destroy it. Crush it. Trump voters have been cognitively and culturally conditioned to WANT exactly this.

It was always possible for America to end up in this pitiful place after all that conditioning— and the moment has arrived.

Reagan. Look to Reagan.

R27 I hadn't heard about the postal rate increase. Usually we have some old shut ins here complaining that stamps are two cents more.

The Fux consuming maggots will be the first ones screaming when their SS/SSDI payments are late, too.

Watch.

The thought will never enter into their dead space brains that destroying the hated government means THEY personally will not get THEIR benefits like Social Security, Medicare or tax refunds.

Serves them right. I’m going to be doing a lot of “YOU voted for this shit, so I don’t want to hear it” quite a bit. Fuck them.

^ The assholes at Fox will find some way to blame that on Democrats. And the cult will believe it.

But at least I take pleasure in that the MAGAts will be suffering too. 😀

Let them blame us. Clearly, facts don’t win arguments. Maybe an empty belly or an eviction notice will,

R39 Exactly what I was thinking. Ingraham, Watters, Piro and Hannity will be telling viewers its the fault of Biden and Harris' time in office, and they will believe them.

Why is MAGA not rebellious towards two extremely wealthy men attacking working folk? Is it because they are unemployed?

Wait until planes start crashing.

This entire thing could have all been avoided if Biden would have just had merrick garland investigate trump for the insurrection from day 1 of Biden's term in office. Instead Biden told garland to lay off of trump in the hopes the repugs wouldn't go after his useless junkie, piece of shit son, hunter. trump would have been in jail, if Biden would have put the country first.

In fact garland had to be SHAMED into starting to investigate trump. That mother fucker waited until the last moment (when he knew that trump's case would NEVER go to court). Thank you Joe. You killed democracy for your junkie son, who you ended up pardoning anyway.

Can you imagine any other country refusing to investigate the ring leader of one of the worst crimes in a country's history and also originating from the highest office in the land? You would call that country a banana republic. What Biden did was a sin. America will NEVER recover from what he did. It's the end of America as we know it.

I blame Garland period.

HE ALONE dicked around and had to be forced to even get Jack Smith to come in because HE refused to do his damn job.

It’s shameful. Dumb fucker and his reluctance to hold that traitor to the same standard you or I would be held to.

I blame the assholes who are actually doing this shit

So we're gonna wind up with an army of 25yo fintechbros running the United States government from top to bottom.

What could possibly go wrong??

asshole wants people to work ten hour days? GTFO

[quote] By what authority will he exercise this nonsense. God Trump has unleashed idiocy.

Interesting question for SCOTUS. I don't know if the President has constitutional authority to 'outsource' a critical government oversight role to a government agency that is not created and empowered by federal legislation. Dump and Leon are not attorneys and Viveka never practiced law. It is possible they don't know Drumpf has no constitutional authority to create this new "department." Its role would have to be demonstrably advisory only -- it could not issue rules, directives or guidance -- to survive a legal challenge.

Then someone needs to challenge it, noon on January 20th.

I hate these fucking Republicans. They are miserable and they want everybody else to be miserable, too.

It's a resource grab and we're not included

I think a lot of Trump voters’ mentality is that of people who are fed up with A1 and automation already and, if anything, they’re the ones who’ll want to see a return to a federal government providing better service with easier-to-access customer service communicated by real people who exhibit courtesy, speaking articulately, provide fast responses and demonstrate great problem-solving skills. Good luck with that if these 2 clowns get their way and decide that slashing everybody and everything in half is going to allow our fed government’s services and communications to function for Americans more successfully.

Republicans have always been against government workers, viewing them as freeloaders, lazy, etc. But they are the first to complain if the roads have potholes or there are delays at airports etc. so they want to complain but don’t recognize how government keep things moving and communities safe.

Trump 2.0 is going to be a shit show.

And of course, rubes like Congress collect a government salary and benefits. Cut them off and see how they like it.

There's quite a few posts here fantasizing that the rubes will finally "get it" when the world is collapsing around their ears.

They'll never get it. They'll die as stupid as they live.

R54 Whenever the Republicans cause a government shutdown, they always make sure that Congress gets paid. The rest of us can go eat cat food while we wait for a delayed paycheck.

Precisely, r55.

Look at the latest hurricanes. President Biden stepped up, called the governors, and sent FEMA workers to aid the affected communities. Nonetheless, MAGAts believed and spread as truth the Republican lies that the Biden Administration was ignoring the disaster.

"Firing federal workers will be good for them"...

The largest number of federal employees are working for the military in some capacity. Department of Defense, Department of Veteran Affairs, and Department of Homeland Security. These are ALSO the federal jobs that are the most widely spread out across the country. Even those hillbilly senators from red states (Markwayne Mullins and Tommy Tuberville, I'm talking about you) are likely to start hearing from their constituents when the local military bases and VA hospitals start shutting down. So, if this is supposed to be some sort of across-the-board cut, I don't think it's likely to get anywhere in Congress. Bureaucracy tends to accrete redundant personnel over time, but it also carries institutional knowledge that enables various activities to happen seamlessly.

Russia has won the cold war.

[quote]Look at the latest hurricanes. President Biden stepped up, called the governors, and sent FEMA workers to aid the affected communities. Nonetheless, MAGAts believed and spread as truth the Republican lies that the Biden Administration was ignoring the disaster.

MAGAts now want to block disaster relief:

The hardline conservative House Freedom Caucus came out against “unpaid” disaster aid legislation in an official statement on Wednesday, urging “not one more cent to the Biden administration.”

In the statement on Wednesday evening, the caucus urged their colleagues against passing “a whopping $100 billion unpaid disaster supplemental funding bill,” accusing Democrats of using the measure “to cement their own unrelated priorities.”

[quote]I blame Garland period. HE ALONE dicked around and had to be forced to even get Jack Smith to come in because HE refused to do his damn job.

He was doing what Biden wanted. And if he wasn't Biden should have gotten rid of him. He was a damned fool.

The ball drops on BIden's doorstep. He allowed trump to get away with one of the most serious crimes to ever happen on American most other country's soil and from highest office in the land no doubt. Then he pardoned his no good, junkie son. Once again, he could have gotten rid of garland at any time. But he didn't want to, because he was happy with garland.

Biden sentenced us to a form of life in prison, while his family has enough money to live however they want

[quote]asshole wants people to work ten hour days? GTFO

Most nurses have been working 12 hour shifts, 3 days a week for years. Your week is done in tree shifts, and then you're open to picking up overtime (if you want) on the other four days.

As a matter of fact, more and more nurses' unions are putting this in their contracts now. They'd rather do three 12 hour shifts per week (7 -7) than do 5 days at 7 or 8 hours. I know a number of friends and relatives (females and males) who have been doing this and loving this.

And Feds do compresses schedules also. The point isn’t to draw in completely unrelated sectors like NURSING, but to look at the federal workforce. Especially how these two don’t get it.

R62, Like too many before him in government, Biden was and is still essentially worshipful of The Office of the Presidency, to be defended but even more so protected and preserved in reality and reputation.

Never mind if the occupant is a traitor. "The Club" is small in number, so get along they will. BTW, would you care for a cough drop?

Can’t trust any of them. Republicans or Democrats.

[quote] So we're gonna wind up with an army of 25yo fintechbros running the United States government from top to bottom.

But that won't happen. There is no money or prestige in middle tier government jobs, that's why most thinking Presidents would never disturb that part of the federal bureaucracy. There are no coveted jobs in the government -- that are not replaced with every new President. These are career people who cannot, or do not, want to get jobs in the private sector. When vital government functions screech to a halt, or provide inferior service (i.e. USPS) we know who to thank.

I despise people like Vivek and Leon, who want to tear things up and burn things down, especially things that they cannot personally monetize. They contribute worse than nothing to the world by causing more problems than we started with, just for fun. Because *they can*.

Chaos-lovers and anarchy-bringers are evil.

Remember a couple of weeks back there was some deputy sheriff or something who said he wouldn't respond to calls from Democrats? Well, expect that en masse from the hyper-partisan right-wingers who will be the ones left after the purges.

I’ve worked in corporate America for decades and have been thru any # of restructures and revolving door at executive level. And here’s an observation that has never proven wrong:

When new leaders are hired, those whose philosophy is to not doing anything drastic in the first 6 months-year are successful. They’ve taken time to get to know the company and the staff and they don’t assume that everyone is incompetent or that the organization needs to be burned to the ground.

Those who storm in with big plans to make big changes from day 1 always fail. I can’t think of one who was still at the company a year after they were hired.

Same will happen here. They will fail and move on with their lives after doing massive damage and we’ll be left cleaning up their mess.

r70 But their intention is to cause massive damage, and then use said damage as proof that the public sector is incompetent and needs to be outsourced to the private sector, or shut down in that particular area.

It's easy to tear shit down but really, really difficult to put the pieces back together.

It will be the red state takers that suffer the most, too, and they fucking deserve it.

They wanted this, they voted for it and they have been begging for it.

Well, beware of what you wish for as you will certainly get it.

Work 8 to 6?? No government worker gets paid enough to do that crap

Federal employees work 40 hours a week. If you start at 8 you're out at 4:30 unless you work 9 hours for 8 days, 8 hours for 1 day and get the 10th day off in a 2-week period.

Many employees would be happy to work 10 hour days for 4 days a week.

But if employees work more than 80 hours in a pay period they get overtime if they are covered by the FLSA which peons all are.

This dodgy bs is just defund the police for foreign born cyber criminals with plans to steal America’s tax dollars.

R66: Shut the fuck up.

It seems like they want states to control their own. Not sure how poor states will like this. Unless they are going to subsidize them which is socialism. You can’t just cut government and then expect jobs. These are not great thinkers.

They've chased this car for at least 45 years.

"the most mistrusted words in the English language are 'I'm from the United States government, and I'm here to help." (Ronald Reagan's go-to stump speech).

Well they're about to finally catch the car and hand the federal government over to the cast of Idiocracy.

Should be entertaining in a mass slaughter sort of way.

R56, that no longer obtains, and hasn't for 20 years at least; the days where on the 70s TV series "Good Times" they demonstrated an extreme effect of poverty by having an old woman buying cat food she intends on eating?

I wish.

I can't afford to eat as well as my cats do, and the vets who care for my animals are so much better than the doctors/PAs/NPs on my insurance plan.

Check out the Petsmart link, and know their Christmas sales prices are significantly lower than the other 11 months of the year.

These honor graduates of the Dunning-Kruger University will have us back to the centuries of yellow fever, heavy intestinal worm loads, beribery, scurvy, polio, rubella, leaded water, maggots and thrips in your oatmeal and candy bars, petrochemical plant explosions, teratogens causing catastrophic birth defects and all the other ass-backwards denials of medico-scientific enlightenment.

Back in the early-to-mid 90s I was a piping design drafter at a Fortune 10 refinery on the Mississippi River. Over a five year period I cannot tell you how many three-headed turtles, one-legged frogs, salamanders with weird tumorlike growths on their bodies, and unnaturally GIGANTIC cottonmouth water moccasins I saw regularly in the bayou that snaked through the plant which emptied into the river.

Yet the company refused to pay relocation costs to the poor black people living in the neighborhoods adjacent to the plant; they only paid the value of the house at that time. And the state rolled over and wouldn't force the company to deal fairly with those people. So the company bought the square mile or so area, evicted the residents, and turned those areas into greenspace.

1890s, here we come!

So, what-- 9 to 9.5 hours of work for 8 hours pay? Fuck that guy. As a rank-and-file civil servant, I can tell you management already resorts to every dirty trick to squeeze unpaid labor out of us as it is. I really hope Americans push back immediately and forcefully against the exploitation these blood suckers have shown they are planning for us.

Why should I go back in the office if I'm only going to be shit canned January 20th, 2025.

Fuck this greasy swine.

There is a lot of noise out here but Vivek and Elon have no legal authority, nor will they have access to the kind of data that informs any decisions to make any kind of cuts in staffing. Keep in mind that while the media hype is alarmist and inaccurate, these jerks and even the cabinet nominees do not operate in a vacuum. There are stakeholders. Lots of them. And powerful lobbies. And members of Congress. If we want to fight back we have to start with exposing them and raising hell to create our own kind of hype. Shining a spotlight on things they'd rather we not talk about is the best way to put the brakes on.

I will also add that as heinous and disgusting as Kash Patel is, he cannot become FBI director until 2027. Unless Trump fires Wray and without legal justification, and investigative hearings he can't fire him.

Think again, R84.

All these big plans the Bobsey Twins have, and the Project 2025 guys, and at some point they will come up against Trump's ego. People he listens to will complain and the arguing will begin and he will start turning on them. I put Vivek at the top of Trump's hit list when the time comes.

Some people still don't get it. The incoming Administration is out to destroy. Not govern. Not construct. Not compromise. Not improve. Not maintain.

NOT CARE A FLYING FIG ABOUT YOU, ME, THE REST OF US, OR THE WORLD!

They to a one regard the entire Federal Government as their newly-acquired piggy bank, ready to be broken open. Privatize and give over to Wall Street the monies for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, etc.

MAGA: Make Americans Grovel Again.

We are about to witness at the very least MAJOR concerted efforts to ruin---via deportations, firings, program eliminations, price increases---the 99%.

R86 gets it. Trump is impatient and petty and doesn’t like to be blamed for anything. He fired Comey because he wouldn’t say Trump was not being investigated. As soon as someone with real power gets on his way, he backs down.

Trump already did a trial run effectively destroying NIFA in his first term.

Between having destroyed NIFA, deporting all the farm workers putting a tariff on food, the dodgy boys are going to make America starve again like Ukraine under Stalin.

Slave drivers thinking they have slaves at their disposal

This shit is why I put in for early retirement on Jan 31st.

I didn’t want to. I was scheduled to skill up a new team in my department (the team asked for me), but I’m not willing to stick around and risk my healthcare and $100/month pension for these dumb fucks.

Fuck them. And I certainly don’t intend to abide by any “you can’t work in this industry” shit they expect from me once I’m gone.

[quote]Unless Trump fires Wray and without legal justification, and investigative hearings he can't fire him.

You know he's gonna try to fire Wray by tweet.

Will the rest of DC go along with that? Guess we're about to find out.

[quote]We are about to witness at the very least MAJOR concerted efforts to ruin---via deportations, firings, program eliminations, price increases---the 99%.

But boy are they going to take care of the 1%:

"A bill introduced by Sen. Cynthia Lummis (R-WY) would require the U.S. Treasury to buy one million Bitcoins over five years and be held for at least 20 years. As of Friday night, Bitcoin was trading at $100,000, which means purchasing that many Bitcoins at that rate would cost $100 billion.

“They want a bailout – implicit or explicit – if the house of cards crashes down,” said Chris Hayes, while pointing out that the currency is extremely volatile. “To that end, after Republicans took back the Senate with the help of money from the crypto industry, they now have a plan to return the favor. And I want you to listen because no one is really talking about this, but the elements of the plot are just there in plain sight.”

The federal government buying Bitcoin is insane. The problem with crypto is similar to, oh, the 1920s stock market. If the price goes up, there is insufficient money to pay everybody out at once. And once people start selling, the price goes down. You can’t get your money, and panic ensues.

This is what we get for choosing the greediest, dumbest person when given two options.

Dodgy crypto criminals

The media is alarmist and they hype everything. We know this. They've been up his ass since 2015 as far as political shit. But it might very well be that the main thing we get criticized f or, is the thing that can save i=us. We are a t angled mess of special interests. Powerful special interests. Entrenched interests. And if these Project 2025 guys think they can just wave a wand, or if Vivek and Leon think they can summarily fire people, they will discover that they have written checks with their mouths that their asses can't cash. So right now the media is hyping his nominees undigested. They are not assigning any scrutiny to them or very little. And of course they try to be "balanced " when talking about rapists nominated for Defense Secretary, or Ambassadorships.

WaPo: Federal employees scramble to insulate themselves from Trump’s purge

"As President-elect Donald Trump’s transition teams move into federal agencies, thousands of civil servants — and some of the Biden appointees they work for — are scrambling to insulate themselves from the new administration’s promised purge. Federal employees are scrubbing their Facebook and X accounts for any negative posts about Trump.

For the first time, some civil servants are taking out liability insurance to cover lawyers if they’re demoted or fired.

One meteorologist at the National Weather Service recently deleted all references on his social media accounts to the threats climate change poses for extreme weather, along with any mention of union support. An information technology employee at Social Security who supports gay rights locked down their Facebook account and deleted X after the election, removing all posts that were anti-Trump, pro-gay rights and pro-Ukraine."

I feel like we're waiting to be rescued from this inevitable disaster about to befall us. Dystopian nightmare from which we'll never recover.

No one is going to recuse us, R98. We will have to tough it out.

Returning to the office is a "dystopian nightmare?"

Not going to rescue us either.

Waiting to be rescued how DL.