Joe Scarborough having ANOTHER meltdown

I noticed Mika coloring on her legal pad during his rant. COLORING.

These two can’t go away quickly enough.

The nerve of them being so smug about this. They have no clue how pissed off their viewers are. Still blaming other people. The viewers can see through their BS. No amount of trying to shift blame is going to work. This is going to backfire big time.

FDR. Not Kennedy. You must’ve written this before you had your Morning Joe.

Ah, yes FDR. I stand corrected.

I wonder what Zbig would think of his thin skinned daughter??

He's turning over in his grave right now.

Mika is so full of BS. Just 2 weeks before the election she was talking daily about all the woman that were killed with the abortion ban Trump backed by his Supreme Court pics. She would name the actual victims. Now it's been weeks of total silence on that issue. [bold]So is that on background too Mika?

Unlike FDR, R 5.

Scarborough is a fucking asshole.

Thank you for watching so that I don’t have to.

Thank you, R8.

She’s despicable.

Mika raising her voice at the audience on cam is not a good look. She comes off as even more condescending and entitled than the first time they did this. Do they really think their viewers are that stupid? This is the 3rd time now where she has tried to shift the blame. No one is buying it except her mirror, mirror on the wall.

[quote]Do they really think their viewers are that stupid?

Yes they do R13.

Cant wait to see the second round of ratings drop in the next few days.

They have little to no credibility now after licking Trump's asshole. How long before the show is just cancelled and they are replaced? That would be the best thing to do. Get rid of them.

Why are you giving them your attention, OP? They aren't worth your time, brother.

Punch and delete.

Mika 'this was a private meeting' hahahahaha. Then blabbing it on air with the smugness they displayed makes them even more craven.

How about providing a link to this meltdown, OP?

Legacy media is dead. I don't know why anyone, regardless of political affiliation, even bothers watching Fox, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

No link for me, thank you.

[QUOTE] The nerve of them being so smug about this. They have no clue how pissed off their viewers are. Still blaming other people.

Meh. Any viewer who ever took Morning Joe seriously has IQ of room temperature.

There is no link yet since it just happened live on the air. YouTube not showing anything yet

Here is the link that OP was too lazy to type out.

Evidently, he’s unaware that he needs his audience. Otherwise, he’s doing his show in his basement.

Actually that is their basement, they do shows from their house with a cheesy backdrop similar to the studio. You can tell if you take a closer look.

"we chose to let you know....but we could have kept quite" No Joe you could not have kept it quite. You went to Fart Lago, everyone there would see you. Don Jr probably would have leaked it to the press and it would be the only thing worse you could have done is be discovered meeting with Trump secretly before you got ahead of the story.

What story will he tell us tomorrow? And how will it be our fault?

“You people just can’t appreciate how much integrity we have.”

Not a good look.

I thought Frum’s comment was fair. Everyone mocks Jeanine Pirro for being drunk on the air. It was even a running bit on SNL.

However, I can see how MSNBC was uncomfortable with Frum’s remark, and his conclusion that Mika’s comments were motivated by fear were a bit of a stretch. But to open the show with a 20 minute tirade is an overreaction

Ha Ha, their goose is cooked. No one watches anymore and they're hated by MAGA, so they can't get a show on Fox/Newsmax. It's only a matter of time before they're replaced.

R29, the arrogance of these people is astounding.

Why wouldn’t they meet with the newly elected President of the US? Are they leaders in some imaginary Freedom Fighters group? I don’t get the outrage. Are they supposed to pretend Trump won’t be President for the next 4 years. And how does not reporting on Trump with inside info help anyone? I don’t want to listen to hysterical podcaster forecasting martial law, concentration camps and Nazi takeovers 24/7, thank you.

Is this going to be like when we couldn’t criticize the Harris campaign without being called MAGA? That worked out so well for everyone.

Hi Mika R34. You and your douchebag husband are screwed.

Mika has the same cold Euro-decadence to her look that Niko of the Velvet Underground had.

The two of them just seem so brittle and insecure now, it leaps off the screen. I’m sure David Frum’s clapback piece about their on-air fear and obeisance, got under their skin.

Why are they even still doing this gig? Love getting up at 3AM everyday? 🙄 Still don't have enough money?

I don’t get the glee in their demise. I like the guests on the show and will be sad if it ends. The left continues to meltdown with Trump Derangement Syndrome. It’s scary when you need sanity to confront a threat like Trump.

Their egos took over the show. Poor Willie, he seems so sweet and balanced and he has to work with those two. Mika is such a condescending cunt to Willie in her 'Go Willie' it's your turn, and I've determined it. She also in her Know Your Value crapoola, pointed out 'Willie was making more than me!' - it was after that, she started fucking the boss.

Now they’re fucking themselves! It’s awesome watching their surprise and wild attempts to avoid any accountability eat them alive. Fuck those cunts.

Scarborough loves the sound of his own voice.

Willie was Tucker Carlson's sidekick when he had an MSNBC show years ago. He always leaves that out of his bio.

Hi Mika R39. You and your obnoxious husband screwed the pooch. You and Joe destroyed any little bit of credibility you had. Just know your value dear.

I stopped watching MJ and other shows immediately after the election. It was just too raw and I knew I didn’t want to hear Joe tear into the Dems as part of the autopsy.

But after their little asslicking hajj I couldn’t return to MJ. Reading about their public tirades since only confirmed I made the right decision. I’m not gleeful about their troubles though, but rather disappointed and concerned. Disappointed that in the weeks before the election MJ’s anti-Trump stance was so emphatic, emotional and clear I don’t get how they turned it around to go on their asslicking hajj. And I’m concerned that if MJ goes away, if MSNBC goes away, that is a hole in the resistance that will most likely not get filled.

Intrigued by this thread, I went to go watch this morning’s show on my DVR. Alas, I’d forgotten I’d deleted that scheduled recording a couple weeks ago.

The "couple weeks ago" you made the smart, sane choice.

"And you, Scarecrow...!"

Mr. and Mrs. Scarborough bowed and scraped to Trump just like the Scarecrow did to Oz in TWOO.

Mika and Joe were shitting bricks of fear after Trump won.

Even if one were to indulge the reasons Scarborough does here for seeing Trump in person, I can't be convinced fear wasn't at least a part of why they did it.

Same with Bezos.

To be fair, R43, those were the days when Willie wore his hair over his forehead like the Three Stooges.

R9 Lame.

Personally, I think whatever post-election change of tone was necessary they could’ve just established on the air - I mean, Trump’s second term is now a reality. End of. Why they thought they had to go kiss the ring…is just mind-boggling.

Never watched it. Never will.

I gave up on them years ago. I like most of the guests and regulars, but could not stomach the hosts.

I rarely listen but happened to tune in at the precise moment of his rant - it was really a WTF moment.

Ha!

Good!

These two feckless cunts helped that orange slob get elected in 2016 by putting him on air to run his mouth any time he called in.

They laughed and encouraged his cray like it was all a big joke. Now, like the pusillanimous bitches they are, they're back licking his taint and begging forgiveness. Fuck the both of them with a bilge hook.

Zero integrity, zero intelligence, zero courage and zero class.

They cannot be cancelled and taken off the air soon enough.

[quote] Why wouldn’t they meet with the newly elected President of the US?

They weren’t meeting him for purposes of journalism. They are not reporters. Let reporters interview Trump “on background “ They met him to bend the knee.

They have a history with him. They were friends First they enabled his rise, then they cut off all contact, then they called him a fascist threat to democracy. Finally, after he wins, they bend the knee.

To call that some kind of selfless act of journalism is an insult to actual reporters.

If their bullshit excuse of meeting him on background was purely for journalistic standards, why did Mika suddenly stop talking about all the woman dying for lack of abortion care? She was posting the real name of woman dying each week because of Trumps Supreme Court, now that he won, total SILENCE.

I guess women don't have value now. Nice message to send to her daughters.

Jen and Angie from IHIP News (love these ladies) have given Morning Joe a rip at Joe's shouting at the audience and Mika's ass licking - particularly where she defends Fox News.

The comments are absolutely brutal and if they equate to future viewer numbers- Morning Joe show's days are numbered because they don't have any credibility left.

This is going to be the start of their right wing rebirth. They'll claim the reaction to this made them realise that "the left" are big evil meanies, and actually poor wittle Trump has been treated unfairly, and they're just being "honest" and please Lachlan, let me take over for Hegseth.

Yep, Joe is going to proclaim the left is too woke and they are just being honest as new show hosts in OAN or Fox equivalent.

"Mika has moral clarity when the situation suits her"

Barely got though the video-sad. They know they fucked up and we know they know.

Richer than any cake I’ve ever had. Lol

No link you dumb cunt?

[QUOTE]Mika and Joe were shitting bricks of fear after Trump won.

[QUOTE]Even if one were to indulge the reasons Scarborough does here for seeing Trump in person, I can't be convinced fear wasn't at least a part of why they did it.

According to George Conway, it's terror.

[QUOTE]Sadly, Brian’s reporting is correct. Over the past week I heard from two entirely separate very reliable sources, with some vivid detail, that they are absolutely terrified of Trump.

[QUOTE]Brian Stelter‬ ‪@brianstelter.bsky.social‬ New reporting: According to two sources with direct knowledge, Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski were credibly concerned that they could face governmental and legal harassment from the incoming Trump administration. www.cnn.com/2024/11/19/m...

Funny, because apparently Scarborough took a dig at Conway during this morning's rant. I'll link in the next post.

The more they try to explain the worse they make this-they’re idiots.

I love watching the implosion-even Dump is laughing

[QUOTE]Joe just called me and we had a nice talk. We yelled at each other a little—that’s just who we are—but it was a good conversation, and I found it reassuring.

Great link-we all agree. Those two phonies need to go.

Funny how Stelter‬ ‪ and Conway both specify they spoke to two sources. Gee, wonder who they could be.

And if the fear is true (sounds more to me like a PR claim) how exactly does sucking up to Trump help? He's not loyal even to his most sycophantic toadies, and by doing this they've lost the support of anyone who might've otherwise supported them.

[QUOTE]And if the fear is true (sounds more to me like a PR claim) how exactly does sucking up to Trump help?

I can't believe you're even asking this question. Have you forgotten Vance compared Trump to Hitler? Or Rubio calling him a con artist in 2016? Or the Senatrice's many proclamations before their famous golf outing?

r70 Have you forgotten that Trump shows zero loyalty to his underlings?

Kowtowing works, r71, even if it's only in the short term. Vance will be VP, Rubio will be Secretary of State, and the Senatrice's live boy assignations will remain hidden from public scrutiny.

Because they are of use to Trump. Unless these two do actually get a job on a right wing channel they aren't of any use to him, especially now their audience has deserted them.

R54 NAILS it.

If they were scared before the ring kiss they must be really scared now because they’ve lost all their support.They had a good thing going for a long time-what fools.

Want to wager on how long it'll take before Mika files for divorce?

Want to wager on where Joe will end up? Mika will go back to local TV news, where?

Mika will try to make herself the victim, Joe beat her, Joe cheated on her, Joe demeaned her on air, etc etc. She'll write a book and try for her a solo talk show, Know Your Value - Wronged Women In The Workplace.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mika is banging Ramon, the pool boy. Joe is to self absorbed to notice or care.

Joe will immediately marry again. This time, someone younger, significantly more feminine, with bigger tits (fake or otherwise). And he’ll run for office in Alabama, MAYBE winning. Or head some stupid new law firm in Alabama. “We fight for you!” He’ll try suing the government for removing fluoride from the water, leaving Alabamians unable to pay for dental work. But another intern of his will be found dead in his office, naked with legs splayed. Only to defend himself will Joe be forced to disrobe publically, revealing a lack of testicles and a clit.

Would ANYONE believe that Joe beat Mika? It’s clearly gotta be the other way around.

Was Mika considered hot back in the day, or did she fall more in the category of "a handsome woman"?

[QUOTE] Want to wager on where Joe will end up? Mika will go back to local TV news, where?

They have a combined net worth of like $50 million. Employment or the lack thereof = not an issue in this situation.

Joe is a RepubliCON operative who offered a safe space for candidate Trump during the 2016 Presidential campaign.

Platforming an unsuitable candidate for President got us this!

Joe and Mike fucked around and found out. They lost a huge percentage of their audience. And people don't like it.

So, Joe and Mika, deal with the consequences.

They went to Maralago to kiss Trump's ass and they know it.

Totally different scenario to invite a politician on your program to ask seriously about J6, 34 felony convictions and RUSHER RUSHER RUSHER than swanning around in the magat cathouse.

Fire this duplicitous, murderous, blowhard. Send his simpering sidekick home as well. They have zero credibility.

WE DON'T NEED A LECTURE FROM YOU, JOE!

Scarborough is insulting our intelligence with his lame excuses. We’re not stupid. Did he forget we’re not the ones in the cult?

Joe has always been a windbag.

I’ve never personally met the orange felon. But I have a good measure of the man. That Joe didn’t feel he did says a lot about Joe.

Not much to measure 🍄 !!!

Joe is full of crap. In 2016 he gave Trump unlimited appearances for ratings. He is a real. conservative and an egotistical maniac. He speaks over Mika all the time as he is a misogynist. Tries to be the smartest one on the room. Nobody from Alabama is the smartest anywhere.

Also when Journalist David Frum said "if you're too drunk for Fox News, you're very, very drunk indeed" Mika apologized to Fox News for his statement. If this don't make you aware of Joe and Mika's fear of Trump nothing will.

The measure of the man? Where the fuck has Joe been for the past 10 years? There is no measure of NO man in Trump. Joe is so full of shit trying to make excuses for his stupid blunder

Joe thinks he can bullshit his way out of this like he used to do with Repugs. Problem is Dems as a whole are more educated and NOT buying what he is selling.

ADVICE: Get Mika some pom poms, seems all she does is cheer her husband like he's some famous football star when in reality he's more like the water boy.

Neither have to work ever again-it’s ego keeping them on screen.

Joe and Mika relationship is purely transactional-they belong with Dump.

I used to enjoy watching his show for the past five years. Would put him on first thing in the morning, to get my day started. Occasionally I would switch to CNN and watch John Berman, just to make sure my dick was working (Joe, Geist and the others didn't do it for me).

Once MJ came clean about his trip to Mar A Largo after election day, I switched to CNN permanently. That was just a total turn-off for me. I felt as though I was personally betrayed by MJ, since I vested so much time and interest in them for the past five years (can't explain it, but that's how I felt).

Now yesterday on 'The View', they're reporting MJ has lost 38% of their audience since they announced their trip to Trump's. I was actually happy to hear that. You reap what you sow, and their reaping is hardly over.

R82, you don’t understand. Important people like these must work, they must be in the public eye. Appearing at cocktail parties isn’t enough, and when they’re has-beens, the invitations will get less and less.

Their absence is for preplanned Bill Clinton interview? Just like R97-really enjoyed the show and them for a long while and John Berman still does it for me ( his hair should be closer shaved on the sides-would take years off) BUT MIKA AND JOE HAVE TO GO!

Appeasement of dictators doesn’t work-right France? Dump and friends are laughing at the middle aged TV couple.So am I.

R99 I think they're (his make-up people) are making Berman's hair go too gray too early. They need to darken it and leave a little gray in between. His face and body is way too young for the white hair. Shaved on the sides would do him wonders.

Still, he makes me pop an erection when he's doing a segment. Something the guys at MJ can't do these days (if ever).

[quote]Intrigued by this thread, I went to go watch this morning’s show on my DVR. Alas, I’d forgotten I’d deleted that scheduled recording a couple weeks ago.

Like you, R45, I cancelled recording MJ weeks ago and only watched Joe's self-debasement this afternoon on line. What a load of Redneck Riviera bull shit, all in service to the infamous "audience of one!" Joe and Mika went to Florida, and all their waning audience got was lectured. You sure told us, Joe.

Side note: The only print medium he seemed to cite approvingly was The New York Post. Hmmm.

It appears the fate of NBC/MSNBC is in the timid hands of Kristen Welker; we'll know when she addresses donald as "sir" during their "Meet The Press" interview.

Kristen Welker is more worthless than Chuck Todd. And I used to think no one was more useless than Chuck.

Where’s the precious Bill Clinton interview? By Monday it’ll be dated, Joe.

Who is the Joe Scarborough troll who posts this shit and all of the replies daily?

Is it the dumb as shit Condi troll?

Go away, R105, the adults are talking.

Welkner is a good girl. Obedient. She was instructed to not fact check during the Vice Presidential debate and she did what she was told.

No-they realize they are not dating material anymore so they will be together forever.

[QUOTE] Also when Journalist David Frum said "if you're too drunk for Fox News, you're very, very drunk indeed" Mika apologized to Fox News for his statement. If this don't make you aware of Joe and Mika's fear of Trump nothing will.

I was told she was instructed to read that apology by the network, it was not her choice to do so.

The Frum remark is kind of stupid but I don't see how it's offensive. Unless MSNBC thanks it will alienate Fox Viewers that are also a segment of their audience? Do any of them even watch MSNBC?

Mika’s mom was a famous tree sculptor and bitch all her money and art work when she past.

How could Mika’s amazing parents have produced such a shallow narcissistic daughter? Very Easily

No empathy for those two.They have houses everywhere and I’m barely holding on to one.

Knowing your worth includes knowing when to give up and offer ash, mouf and pushy to those in power.

What an important lesson to observe.

[QUOTE]The Frum remark is kind of stupid

In what sense, r109?

There is much talk going around of them moving to Fox News.

The Frum remake is a great joke because Fox News is a joke their viewers don’t get.

I would love to watch Mika try surviving one day at Fox. Please God let that happen.

So they've lost 36% of their viewership. How terribly sad for whoever owns them.

Well the rumor talk is that Scarborough is also angling to take over Marco Rubio's seat in Florida when he leaves to work for the Dump administration. That's where Mika and Joe have one of their houses anyways. That why it was so easy to just go barrow a cup of sugar at Fart Lago on background.

I would love to see Mika take a job and go down in flames at Fox. I am sure they thinks she could handle it, but once they start telling her what to say, what to wear, what to talk about she would have a real meltdown on the air as she tries to explain why she's leaving so soon. Could be a Tammy Faey moment.

She's no Jessica Tarlov that's for sure.

Isn't Mika pushing 60 at this point? That's not a "ladies of Fox" look they usually go for.

Morning Joe is dragging down MSNBC:

Reminds me of an evil version of the old character from "Up".

On any given day, put him on mute and watch those cherubic lips move 100mph. Angry little Aries man. Online news without a hot little mouth to go along with it is better than that show.

According to this linked article, "Morning Joe has seen less of a drop than other shows on MSNBC. A review of the ratings shows that between the third quarter (pre-election and Trump meeting) and November, Morning Joe lost 14% of its audience. All of MSNBC’s prime time shows were down more, with the 9 p.m. hour hosted by Alex Wagner and Rachel Maddow (on Mondays) down 32%. Chris Hayes was down 15%, Joy Reid 30%, and Lawrence O’Donnell 24%. Nicolle Wallace, who regularly leads the network in the ratings, was also down some 14%."

Also, "While the immediate drop was borne out in the data, looking at the full week before the announcement compared to after, Morning Joe viewership held steady. During the week of the announcement, the show averaged 691,000 total viewers, which was only a 1.7% decline from the previous week’s average of 703,000. Both weeks were way down from the show’s previous quarter average of 1.14 million viewers."

R118, past what?

Joe and Mika have definitely shot themselves in the foot with their lame defense of the visit, but once Trump actually gets back in the WH and attempts to implement his nutso plans, MSNBC will probably go back up in the ratings with the outrage people will feel. That Joe and Mika seem to want to save themselves, yeah Trump/Elon have something specific on them, probably in relation to the offed intern. Mika likes the high life, and feeling important I think even more than Joe. Her appearance on The View, all teary eyed and outraged was some 'good' acting, lol. Joe seems arrogant, but more down to Earth. I love that Rachel Maddow is apparently outraged with their antics, but get she can't come out and brutally attack them. Wish she would.

I WILL NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANY OF THIS!!!!

At this point, R118, I think it’s Trump that owns them.

MSNBC’s stars need to remember their roots. They rise to indie fame on radio and writing blogs and articles against the Bush administration. They didn’t make a lot of money, so they could say what they thought. They either need to risk their fame and fortune to go back to basics, or we need to start cultivating the next generation to hold Republicans to account.

They're both operatives for the Republicans and have done their part to get it elected. Twice.

Candidate Trump was a featured guest on their program 16 times during the 2016 campaign.

If he spent an hour visiting during the 2016 campaign, that is a whopping 16 hours of airtime. 1/2 that, still an unacceptable 8 hours of free airtime.

I suspect there is some backstory to the network’s sensitivity about criticizing Fox News. I can’t stomach even a minute of Fox News, but I imagine they don’t have nice things to say about MSNBC. Perhaps they are trying to negotiate a truce?

I would pay cash money to see them move to Fox, hypocrite Mika being forced to wear short skirts with the oiled up leg porn gal look.

No more scarves and constant sighing, Mika. The Fox crowd expects their bimbos to put out.

R124 Article is disinformation-lies. DL is crawling with George Santos type Trumpers.

Fox doesn’t necessarily want 58 yr old ‘’Mika’’ but they do want her viewers and many would follow.

R139, Gid are you a morob.Morning Joe!s audience usually well under a million gave Trump 16 houes of airtime when he ran for President- And that was enough for Trump to garner millions and millions of votes. If only they had ignited his candidacy for President. The Dems would have nailed it.

Maybe Joe is planning to run for president 2028?

God… moron. …ignored.. posting in a bumpy car..bad idea

Their audience had enough of them, which did not happen in 2016. MSNBC should get rid of them, but I suppose it depends on what kind of contracts they have.

R6 I realized that back in the early days when Imus was over and Joe and Willie were getting their feet wet-she did the news. Her timidity became obvious along with a pretense to be ‘’professional’’ and desperately needing to be the center of attention which is clear in every show. Similar to the days when Kathy Lee believed the world revolved around her.

[quote] [R124] Article is disinformation-lies. DL is crawling with George Santos type Trumpers.

You sound well-grounded in facts.

This is fun.

Joe Scarborough for president would not be my choice, but it’s intriguing. He would probably have to run as a Democrat, but hawkish on the deficit, immigration, and crime while progressive on social sissies and the general size of government. I think he’s much more comfortable being a critic, though. Republicans didn’t do any of his pet passions when he was a Representative. But he would have beat Trump now or in 2016 and could probably beat Vance.

Completely insane. Why would Democrats nominate a conservative Republican? Republicans would never pick a Trump critic. Not in Joe’s lifetime

[quote]God… moron. …ignored..

Happily.

[quote]social sissies

Ru's next "big" hit?

[QUOTE]MSNBC should get rid of them

That will never happen. MJ is the go-to program for Congress and the Senate.

Maybe MSNBC should merge with Politico and shift towards insider political news rather than whatever they think they are doing now. I enjoy the commentary, but wish the country had sources for both objective news and insider news that was separate from editorial and analysis.

There is no such thing as political news that is separate from analysis, unless you just want a transcription of whatever politicians and their spokesmen say, which is pretty useless.

The problem is not with journalists. It’s that our politics are so divided that there is nothing that happens in DC that is not totally politicized. And for that I blame the Republicans. There are plenty of pragmatic moderate Democrats. Very rare to find a Republican who doesn’t tow the party line which has moved very far to the right.

There is always a spin of some kind based on what is covered, what details are provided, what is conjectured. But there is definitely interesting political horse race news that is not pure propaganda either.

The same is true with “news news.” Unfortunately, the right had attacked journalism because they don’t like the truth and the left theorizes about how there is no such thing as truth. The result is that Americans mostly believe what they choose.

[quote] But there is definitely interesting political horse race news that is not pure propaganda either.

Disagree that any such news is “interesting.”

Also disagree that the left argues there’s no such thing as truth. Most of them try to be accurate. Some bias is inevitable, particularly in avoiding giving any attention to the few arguments on the right that are not manipulation and propaganda. But the left is not deliberately peddling lies.

R110, past what? Wtf are you talking about?

I think Scarborough and company KNOW this show is history and most everything on MSNBC will change drastically in the coming year. So he’s dumping everything into what’s left.

I think MSNBC should bring back Greta Van Susteren!

Permitting candidate Trump to pontificate for 16 hours of airtime positioned him to appear qualified for the presidency.

He didn't deserve the airtime but he was gifted the airtime because Joe is a Republican operative and Trump has long standing personal and professional relationships with NBC and MSNBC.

[quote]I think MSNBC should bring back Greta Van Susteren

Or me. I can read a teleprompter with the best of them!

Isn't SUE SIMMONS available? She'd be divine!

^That Sue Simmons clip will always make me laugh. 🤣

If they really wanted to change things up, Replace Joe with Keith Olbermann and maybe Medi Hassan. You know, actual progressives? What a concept.