Democrats still don't agree on the seriousness of their political problem

[quote]A number of Democratic leaders are downplaying the strength of Donald Trump's victory over Vice President Kamala Harris

Many on DL, too.

They don't realize or want to believe that everything changed on November 5th.

If everything changing means it’s come down to hokey tropes like “brand” then the republic is beyond saving anyway.

I simply don’t want to hear sanders anymore. He’s an effective politician but his quotes in these types of articles go nowhere.

However can Democrats learn to reach across the aisle to lunatics and Nazis??

The seriousness is that Americans, writ large and on average, fucking suck. How you do you get a nation of apathetic, selfish assholes to care about a functioning republic if they're willing to throw it all away cause the eggs and the Doordash is too damn high?

Not to mention, here once again, the press is being anti-Democratic by framing it as the party is in denial about their "problem". Not if a problem even exists, just that there is one and "they" won't do anything about it or some other stupid shit.

However can good Americans learn to reach across the aisle to lunatics, and commies, and those who hate America and want to see trump voters dead.

Their view is as valid to them as yours is to you,

The Dems will reach across and recruit or learn to pray every four years that they have not been fucked once again by the EC and the American voters.

The Dems are now the minority party

AOC For President!

Ken Martin promises to be the next Howard Dean if elected as party chair. He wants to campaign in all 50 states and campaign in rural areas. This is what Dean did and it paid off in big dividends. Obama got rid of Dean for some reason, and Democrats have been getting clobbered in rural areas.

Martin has a better track record of winning than Ben Wikler in WI, who's also running for party chair. Under Martin's leadership, Democrats have taken over all branches of government in MN. Wikler couldn't even deliver WI for Harris.

The Dems should have enacted policies which paid attention to the needs of the American family, rather than just allowing the trans lunacy ( men competing against women), the women's right to choose exclusivity ( their only real issue), an ignoring of the migration dilemma, and a total ignoring of the non-swing states ( look how that benefitted them) which led to the defeat of down ballot Dems, as voters were convinced that their votes didn't matter.

Fuck Joe Biden. A friend of mine who is a congressional aide revealed to me— the Democratic Party may be permanently damaged from this. Because now a good portion of the American electorate believes the election actually was stolen in 2020 and Trump successfully avenged his crooks. It’s sad. It’s not going to be pretty these next four years.

FUCK JOE BIDEN.

Congressional aides are never wrong.

[Quote] A number of Democratic leaders are downplaying the strength of Donald Trump's victory over Vice President Kamala Harris as the inevitable result of an inflation-fueled anti-incumbent backlash that shaped elections worldwide.

Anyone who claims this wasn’t at least part of the problem is a fool.

But it’s more than just this. Democrats have to figure out how to deal with the relentless rightwing propaganda being belched out by Fox News and other rightwing “media outlets” or they will be a permanent opposition party.

Someone needs to audit the books so to speak. The numbers just don’t make sense.

So Bernie's gonna start an American "Labour Party". Maybe Jeremy Corbin could come over and lend a helping hand.

R14: Considering Corbin has left/was cleared out of the Labour Party, I'm not sure Sanders or anyone would want his "help".

That’s the point.

R16: You made it extremely badly then.

I didn’t make it, dickhole, I just explained it.

Here’s the real problem. Americans are willing to vote on a convicted felon pathological liar con artist based on “vibes”. No discussion of policy is going to change this for them. The Democratic Party doesn’t have the vibe because, frankly, a lot of people disliked Biden simply because he was old and looked it and Harris wasn’t male and white enough, though infinitely more qualified than the opponents. No amount of message is going to get through the right wing echo machine, since the US media is almost entirely right leaning and the public love the hostility and mean-spiritedness. People like the negativity and I’ve come to conclude that most people in this pathetic country are shit, for lack of a better word. It’s a different world we live in and no amount of adjustment to the message will even get through now.

Let's not forget American voters inherent stupidity, R19.

Recent reports say Latino male voters opted for Trump because they saw him as anti-establishment.

How the fuck is a billionaire who attended an Ivy League school who inherited millions of dollars from his daddy anti-establishment? Trump is the embodiment of establishment.

r20 They mean corporatism politics. They mean respectability politics. I am almost willing to move to Portugal. Thats how dumb down this country has become.

Or, you know, they needed to demand a hand count in battleground states.

Dems need to chill with the self-flagellation. July is too late to switch candidates, it’s that simple. Joe might have lost too but giving someone 100 days to run is simply not enough. We’re lucky it wasn’t worse.

Craven far leftists and far centrists are grabbing at the chance to “remake the party” because they didn’t like it anyway. It’s not necessary. We do need way better digital outreach and more dedication to combating lies and propaganda but that is really it. We should have pride in our values because they are good.

Winning or losing is all that matters in the short term. But these things look a lot different years later. No one is defending the legacy of the Bushes or Nixon, and Republicans mostly ignore Reagan’s values that weren’t tax cuts. Just like they will forget Trump once it’s possible.

I'm with those who say this was destined to be a "boot Biden the incumbent" election, it became a close one thanks to Harris, and it was not a wholesale national rejection of All Things Democrat.

It's fucking discouraging in the meantime, though, and the next few years are looking horrible.

Trump may crash the economy well before midterms, so much of this handwringing may be for naught.

Or not. R9 has pointed out what the Democratic Party has become to huge swaths of voters. Those who raised these concerns or even questions were shamed and as incorrigible bigots, often by their own party. They didn’t vote for Trump so much as against Democrats.

Keep insulting them and calling them backwoods morons and you’ll see more moderates turning their backs by voting Republican or staying home.

The Trump campaign’s “She’s for they/them; he’s for us” was a stroke of brilliant simplicity. It wasn’t about just non-binary demands on revising concepts of gender and the accompanying grammatical mandates; it was about the top-down, inorganic, cultural shifts that have come directly out of the alignment of progressivism and academia that people don’t want. They’ve tried telling Democrats this to no avail.

Until November 5th.

^Well said.

ILY Torta. You and this old broad:

12/2 Elizabeth Warren on X: Over 74 million Americans voted for Democrats in this election. They don’t expect us to roll over & play dead. And progressive policies—like paid sick leave, minimum wage increases, and abortion rights—won ballot measures around the country. I’m staying in the fight. --Trump’s tax breaks for the rich were so big Republicans had to use budget gimmicks and accounting tricks in order to hide the true cost. Next year, Democrats in Congress should flat out reject Trump's Tax Scam 2.0, and the junk math Republicans use to try to sell this thing.

The Democrats had a strategic and a tactical problem, which they refused to recognize.

1 - They blame Kamala Harris for not being presidential material. As if that has stopped W. Bush, Trump, Carter, or Reagan. She was more qualified than the sainted Obama, about as qualified as Bill Clinton. Yet, it was HER, not the fact she was a black woman. Democrats choose to run unelectable candidates, like AOC.

2 - She faced a barrage of negative ads microtargeted at her coalition - especially black and Latino men. TPM wrote about it in late September. They were very negative, along the lines of Bush II's phone calls in S. Carolina primary that McCain had fathered a black child. NASTY STUFF.

Yet, the Democrats refused to fight fire with fire. They went with feel-good ads for maximum persuasiveness. Even negative ads you saw on the Internet or the convention found difficulty getting distributed.

You may ask why the Democrats do not feel they can respond to negative advertising. It works. Lying works.

Trump will for sure crash the economy as quickly as possible, unless his dementia is so bad that he forgets he promised to do tariffs and spend billions on deporting all of the country’s farm labor.

The Dems’ problem isn’t old age—there are plenty of older as well as younger, bright, intelligent, charismatic and hardworking workers including politicians across our country, always have been.

It’s just that we’ve had the misfortune of several of these elders being on the intense-media spotlight last several years alienating and stubbornly ignoring the wishes of many—Biden, Feinstein, Sanders, McConnell, Ginsburg, et al.—just all seemingly not being self-aware enough to stop hogging their world stage and permitting a newer or at least more diverse and compromising wave of Dems take the center-stage in their Party.

Their optics just have become bad. Including, most Americans don’t prioritize their progressives’ obsession with their special pronouns, purple-haired trans identities being prioritized and having their abortions taxes-supported. They kind of just want to pay their rents and mortgages, and spend less than $100 in a week for paper towels and coffee.

It was the border.

Wondered how many responses we'd get to before "let's shit on the trans" started.

Speaking of trans people, Republicans were told and believed that Harris was aggressively pushing trans rights, when she did no such thing. Other than just stating that all trans people should curl up and die, how was Harris supposed to combat blatantly false messaging? (trans rights, open borders, etc.)

It was the trannies.

r29 The democrats should have created ads looping over and over Trump making fun of Nancy Pelosi's husband almost being murdered. The dems are living in a 90s world, where respectability politics mattered, you know cause JESUS. FAKE ASS WACK ASS HYPOCRITICAL CONSERVATIVE CUNTS.

So, the media has gone silent on the multiple BOMB THREATS targeting heavily Democratic areas on Election Day? The same bomb threats that originated in Russia?

Nothing on an active ATTACK in the US from Russia? Nothing?

The Democrats gave a problem, all right, it’s the goddamned legacy media ignoring an act of war to once again, suck up to Putin’s bitches.

Fuck these poorly concealed Putin propaganda pieces.

r36 Russian mob coming.

Trump won the national vote by 1.5 points and the swing states by 250,000 votes. No matter how many articles phrase it that way, there was no sweeping victory. The only thing that changed on November 5 was that the Democrats returned to form and decided that voting and democracy were unimportant.

Everyone on here and elsewhere blaming Biden and Harris and Obama and Pelosi, need to place blame where it truly belongs with a bunch of lazy ass voters who decided to stay at home this time.

The left is fundamentally lazy, narcissistic and unorganized

[quote] Recent reports say Latino male voters opted for Trump because they saw him as anti-establishment.

Latino male voters are FUCKING IDIOTS and should not be allowed to vote.

Dumb fuckers.

I agree that this wasn't a blowout election. The Republicans picked up a few seats in the Senate. There's probably going to be a two seat difference in the House. No need for dramatics.

r36

[quote]The Democrats have a problem, all right, it’s the goddamned legacy media ignoring an act of war to once again, suck up to Putin’s bitches.[/quote]

I don't think it's just that. It's an unwillingness or inability to do dirty work. The bald truth is that the fractured nature of social media allows for surreptitious, untruthful, and inflammatory attacks. Such lies and attacks are extremely effective if they target the right person.

Even in the early 2010s, I was at a backyard lunch where I was handed [bold] a pamphlet consisting of stapled and mimeographed(??) pages. It blamed everything on the Eternal Jew.[/bold] I was so surprised my graphic artist friend had such a thing, that [bold] I asked if I could keep it.[/bold]

The other women started talking about disconnected topics and someone quietly took it from my hands. Did I fail a test? I was never invited again.

I learned that a) they were deeply aware of the criminality their little pamphlet could lead to, and b) it was socially unacceptable. Now they have permission and a platform. And c) the little girl who had been my flower girl said "Jews" with such ferality, I was shocked. I had never seen a 10-year-old visage twist into the expression she displayed.

[quote]Latino male voters are FUCKING IDIOTS and should not be allowed to vote.

[quote]Dumb fuckers.

Yeah, that’s the ticket r40.

Alternatively, the Democratic Party could get its head out of its collective ass and start figuring out how to connect with the voters that it needs. How hard could it be, ffs? America's genius is supposed to be in marketing. Read the fucking room, and then sell to it.

Many Democrats want to DOUBLE DOWN on the trans bullshit!

It's not gonna make a goddamn what they overhaul if they don't

𝑎) find a way to combat social media disinformation. A hundred different troll messages were deployed online to targeted constituencies to either discourage voting altogether or to get people to vote for someone other than the Dem candidate. Forms of dissatisfaction are extremely easy to market, and people ate that shit up. And...

𝑏) address themselves to finding out exactly how and in what precincts the actual vote was electronically skewed to register more votes for Trump - just enough to be able to eke out a win in the swing states. This election was not a straightforward win for the Repugs, and people need to stop pretending that it was.

r44 - I agree with you on everything.

In particular, I find the audit of the swing states to be significant. How did Trump manage to end up just above the recount threshold in all those states? In the past, it was largely considered taboo to suggest that elections could be manipulated, mainly because both parties believed such claims would discourage voter turnout. However, Trump made these allegations for four years, and his turnout did not seem to be affected.for four years and his turnout was not affected.

The Dems go from its ok we lost but we won the popular vote, as if that meant anything, to ok we lost but we almost won the popular vote.

This is how the Dems will fight back ignoring reality and actual results and down playing the fact that the gop now owns the press that counts, the house, the senate, the WH with a soon to be president that grows more popular after his recent win not less popular.

“It was not so bad we made it to their lines and we almost won—-let’s try the same thing once again”

General Pickett , also ignoring reality, before Longstreet told him to sit down and shut up

[quote]Congressional aides are never wrong.

That's true, but one thing is for sure, had Biden and that useless merrick garland had trump investigated for the insurrection, trump would have been in jail and NEVER would have been able to run for president. Although he probably would have tried it and the democrats would have let him. They're so useless.

Instead Joe Biden was more worried about his useless, piece of shit, junkie son. He was hoping if the authorities didn't investigate trump for one of the worst crimes to happen on American soil and from the highest office in the land, no less, they wouldn't go after that shitbag hunter. Even when the repugs went after Joe's shitbag son, he should have gotten garland to go after trump. BUT NO. Biden's that useless old, school type of democrat who has been letting the repugs get away with crimes for 5 decades. Those fucking idiot old school dimwits always just want to "move ahead". God damn. They never fucking learn. NEVER. He wouldn't even fight for his own son. God damn.

And now America has lost democracy and Joe pardoned his piece of shit son anyway (which I have no problem with. trump would have done the same thing & so would I). But Joe, being the fucking idiot that he is, had just recently said that he WOULD NEVER PARDON HIS SON. He should have just shut the fuck up. But he can't help himself. He ALWAYS steps in shit.

[quote]Congressional aides are never wrong.

Tell that to Sen. Cardin!

And while the Dems bitch and moan and discuss trans vs no trans or why it was a close race despite getting destroyed, Trump is studying the South Korean govt for tips on how to eliminate internal enemies that want to do a democracy harm.

Arguing over budgets and shit

There is the GOP playbook for 2028 and saving democracy.

[quote] The seriousness is that Americans, writ large and on average, fucking suck. How you do you get a nation of apathetic, selfish assholes to care about a functioning republic if they're willing to throw it all away cause the eggs and the Doordash is too damn high

The big irony here is that voters trusted Trump more with democracy than Kamala. It';s fucking disgusting.

[quote] ow the fuck is a billionaire who attended an Ivy League school who inherited millions of dollars from his daddy anti-establishment?

It is the same thing with Bernie. The man is a career politician with minimal accomplishments who somehow managed to convince people he was anti-establishment. Obama had far more of a claim to being anti-establishment than Bernie.

Trump is the most radical sounding president in modern U.S. history. A right wing populaist rebel ready to remake the country.

Dems are pussies, already talking about what went wrong, there should be mass executions of the Republicans.

[quote] This election was not a straightforward win for the Repugs, and people need to stop pretending that it was.

If Kamala's internal polls showed Trump ahead at every step of the campaign, why do you think the actual election would have turned out differently?

Too busy fighting about the right big word to use to scare the bully. Hint, it won’t work. Try harder.

R47 Oh Fuck off. When repubs had two consecutive deafening losses in a row, all they did was double down on obstructionism and bigotry.

Democrats do need a whole 180 in branding and messaging however.

“Democrats do need a whole 180 in branding and messaging however”

So R57 after that internet tough guy “Oh fuck off” you go and agree 100%. with me.

Doesn't anyone have a functioning memory?

In 2004 - the Rs won the White House and seemed to have gained eternal hold on the Senate.

It didn't last.

In 2016, the Rs won the Federal Trifecta.

That too didn't last.

Listen - it sucks right now. It really does. Trump has power and he's gonna do shitty shitty things with it. But let's not lose our shit.

Everyone that studies history knows that if something happened in the past even several times it’s always going to happen the exact same way in the future.

"Alternatively, the Democratic Party could get its head out of its collective ass and start figuring out how to connect with the voters that it needs."

How the fuck do you engage the huge number of white, black and Latino men who see women as the "inferior sex" and think a woman does not have the physical strength and stamina to be President. In other words, how do you combat centuries of bias against women and rampant, ignorant stupidity and sexism on the part of men. Also, a lot of men have unresolved "mommy issues" which would prevent them from voting for a female President and basically hate women.

Hillary and Kamala would have been infinitely better Presidents than that god damned jack ass Donald Trump.

Republican over reach will bring the pendulum back like, well, clockwork.

R61 Maybe democrats can’t stop celebrating single mama culture which does not make the off spring they produce more progressive, enlightened or educated. It makes them more economically burdened, provincial, and conservative. But sadly that ship has already sailed.

[quote]How the fuck do you engage the huge number of white, black and Latino men who see women as the "inferior sex" and think a woman does not have the physical strength and stamina to be President.

Hillary won the popular vote.

And Latinos? The President of Mexico is a woman.

The point is: men do vote for women. They do for offices all over the US.

Fact the facts: Kamala was a lousy candidate associated with an unpopular President. Maybe her loss wasn't the result of misogyny.

^Face the facts...

It's almost as if Biden's priority was making sure the family was okay, everything else he left to his aides.

Jill and her daughter got to go to Chuck's coronation

Jill and Joe went to Liz's wedding

They attended all the fancy meetings in Europe, Jill held hands with Macron when Joe froze.

Hunter was taken care of. Probably got a special Christmas present too. What the poor thing went through.

One granddaughter got a White House wedding.

Did you see the Christmas decorations?

And left us with the country a mess, Ukraine in tatters and about to be massacred, and Trump on the rampage.

R63 can* stop

Kamala didn't run a campaign based on her gender or her race.

She reached out to Republicans and swing voters relentlessly. She did not make Trump's unfitness the center of her campaign. She even abandoned the whole "republicans are weird" thing.

She ran the exact campaign that centrist pundits and commentators say they want.

And she lost.

People were mad about inflation and Biden (for reasons I don't understand, actually) was really unpopular. It was the Democratic base that didn't show up. Those three things spelled doom.

You're an idiot, R63. Just stop posting stupid shit already.

NOBODY but NOBODY in the Democratic Party is celebrating single mama culture.

Maybe some of the bitches and hos in your milieu who spend their gubmint checks on weaves and shit celebrate single motherhood. But NOBODY in the Democratic Party is celebrating and advocating for single motherhood.

Or perhaps you just have your own unresolved mommy issues.

R61 JHC the Dems did not lose those many men who voted for trump because Harris was shit at doing benches or dead lifts. They were not voting for Joe either. Nor Pete nor any of the rest.

So easy to say it was them and their hatred of women rather than anything the wrong with Dems.

One senile dem said his uncle was eaten by cannibals, and never corrected it, and the other said she supported federal prisoners getting sex changes at tax payer expense while in prison , and she never corrected that,

The Dems are now the minority party . The GOP is more popular. An honest dem starts with that.

People proposing the Democrats change are determined to avoid seeing how the Dems already are.

The Democratic party they seem to have in mind is one created by Fox News propaganda.

The dilemma here is how to get people to realize the Democratic party already is what they claim they want from it.

R69 I know not a single person who receives welfare. Perhaps my brother in laws youngest sister is the only person I do know who gets it. I am talking about a larger cultural thing.

Unpopular losers.

R71 I don’t avoid seeing the Dems as they are.

Without clear thinking and information Democracy cannot really function. If one party were to try to deal with the media and its spread of disinformation that same media would use its platform to protect itself. Funny how the people most enthusiastic about freedom of speech are in charge of what speech gets perpetuated. More and more i think freedom is a bullshit word with a meaning that wobbles around to serve the utterer. Not unlike God.

Speaking of Fox News propaganda, there's the Republican at R73

Link to the garbage you're spewing, R70. Otherwise you're just pulling shit out of your prolapsed asshole.

And the link has to be to a reputable news source. Not Joe Rogan's cousin's sister's blog.

In an era when cash can buy Trump a 24/7/365 noismaker that can spin Republicans as the party of the middle class, the only lesson to learn is that Dems need a 24/7/365 platform that will counter the mad Russian invasion of our media.

R75 my bad I guess popular and winners is how you see the dem party today. It’s a fucking joke. 0-5. Skunked. Shot Out

House Senate White House Federal Courts Supreme Court.

Call me names all you want but that above is your fucking reality for a party that also has fewer members than the GOP.

Thanks your local progressive

Sweetie, it's your reality too. The Fascist Trump admin won't be cool with faggots who are on their side. We'll all be in the camps, dear.

Gallup - Party Affiliation - Nov. 2024:

The advice in these articles wont win jack shit! Dems will lose again and again if they keep trying to play to the middle. They did it with Hillary and lost, they did it with Kamala and lost again. [bold]Trump won because he tapped into hate. Republicans hate woman, they hate Immigrants, they hate LGBTQ, they hate diversity, they hate science and they hate an honest reporters and the press. [/bold]

The only way Democrats can win is if they beat them at their own game. Moving more and more to the center does not work. [bold]Hate Works!

R81 Who do you suggest they hate on?

So your plan is for the Dems to hate more?

The rich?

Today in NPR's politics newsletter:

[quote]The margin for the popular vote in this year’s presidential election is the second-closest since 1968, and it’s still tightening. With 96% of the vote in, Trump has 49.97% and Vice President Harris has 48.36%, according to the Associated Press. These results show that Trump doesn't exactly have the "unprecedented and powerful mandate" he claimed on election night. The margin shows how closely divided the country is politically and that any shift to the right is marginal.

Obama did irreparable damage by getting rid of Howard Dean as party chair. His 50 State policy was making good progress in rural areas in all 50 states when he was chair of the Democratic party. Ever since Dean was fired, Democrats have been struggling to win races in more than half the country. If we had kept Dean, we could be in control of the House and the presidency right now.

50 State solution is a RHINO plan. Give it up already. Kamala had a huge ground game, Trump has almost none. Dean did not exist the same time as social media and Joe Rogan influencers.

R86 Remember when Dems branded Dean as a lunatic for his fiery impassioned speech at one of his primary rallies. They simply hate raw masculinity. And I love Obama’s sophistication, scholarly masculinity and as a black man I respect him so much but it needs to be addressed.

2084

Q mom why only three parties to vote for the GOP and the Greens and the No Nothings ?

A Doris when I was a child there was another party called..….

[quote] Trump has power and he's gonna do shitty shitty things with it. But let's not lose our shit.

Why not?

This is the perfect time to lose our shit.

[quote] Dems need a 24/7/365 platform that will counter the mad Russian invasion of our media.

We tried this already.

Rachel Maddow worked for that media outlet before joining MSNBC.

The problem is that Democrats aren't stupid, and we don't just willingly and blindly believe what we are told.

We do our research and we look for facts.

Republican Fox News MAGATS are brain dead.

They care nothing about facts.

All they want is an echo chamber that will spew out the same lies and bullshit over and over again, because it's what they want to hear.

Even if you laid the bare facts in front of these people, they wouldn't care.

Because it's not what they want to hear.

That's why the Fox propaganda channel works on MAGATS.

Democrats still don't agree on the seriousness of voting.

R90 You don't understand what's going on.

Median age of the Fox viewer: 68

(CNN: 67. MSNBC: 72 - source the LA Times)

Fox News influence is way overrated.

R92 Yes. Say it again now. These young people who would have been on our side a generation ago are not watching Fox News. Someone posted on here, that Jewish millennial blogger, can’t think of his name, made an excellent point. A lot of online media, lifestyle channels, podcasts what have you, that aren’t inherently political have been branded with right wing philosophy, even in subtle ways. Then you add actual purposeful misinformation on political sites. It’s rough out here in these cyber streets. Buckle up Gen Z. They gon learn.

r82, people do not only hate the lemon they were sold, BUT THE SALESMAN WHO SOLD IT TO THEM AS WELL.

Mr. Murdoch is the enemy of the people.

He needs to be targeted.

Exit polls are always preliminary but over half the 2024 electorate was over 45. The over 65s (the Fox viewers) make up 30% of the electorate.

[quote]The over 65s (the Fox viewers)

Might want to check your stats.

Oh? How so. Are Fox viewers young and vital?

No, but the over 65 voter likes their healthcare, Social Security and tends to vote Democratic.

It's true that the bulk of Trumps support came from GenX and older but lots and lots of old people are republican

[quote]The over 65s (the Fox viewers) make up 30% of the electorate.

CNN and MSNBC viewership combined is greater than FOX. And in the viewership of ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX News is truly small in comparison.

David Muir gets well over 7 million viewers a night. Sean Hannity might get 3 million on a good day.

And BTW: Joe Rogan averages 11 million listeners per show.

The world is changing.

[quote]Mr. Murdoch is the enemy of the people.

He's 93 years old and retired.

^ Should read: "Add in the viewership of..."

[quote] Mr. Murdoch is the enemy of the people.

[quote] He's 93 years old and retired.

That doesn't make him any less evil and dangerous.

He's responsible for Fox News infecting the brains of Americans, as well as bringing about the rise of Trump.

He needs to pay for that.

Murdoch is a fucking wicked man.

1) What happened to 5 million Biden voters?

2) Non-college-educated white voters turned out hard for Trump.

3) Black and Brown numbers were down. Hispanic men broke for Trump, but Hispanic women more or less canceled that out. Trump made progress with black men, but there was no huge shift.

Trump is back in the White House for one reason and one reason only, non-college-educated white voters. I'm going to make a guess and assume that 40% of them are unreachable to Democrats. Out of the remaining 60%, half would entertain voting Democratic if the republican shits the bed; a charismatic, game-changing candidate may sway the other half.

But Democrats are in this constant delicate dance to try to appeal to progressive urban whites, conservative blacks, and Hispanics, younger and super progressive blacks and Hispanics, moderates, and independents. They couldn't pay me enough to run the DNC.

R100 These old theater queens have been shouting “It’s Fox News fault” for so long at any and every democratic loss that they don’t even realize Fox News has minimal impact nowadays. No more than CNN or MMBC. David Muir is a great news anchor.

No, it is not Fox New's fault.

It is the Fox/Marketing/Analytics/Advertising 24/7/365 propaganda behemoth by design.

I only hope that Elton Moose doesn't get to buy the spun off MSNBC.

No one has ever accused Dems of being bright; no one has ever accused Repubs of being bright. ; no one has ever accused American voters of being bright.

[quote]It is the Fox/Marketing/Analytics/Advert - ising 24/7/365 propaganda behemoth by design.

24/7/365 in old age homes.

You are so, so out of touch.

[quote]You are so, so out of touch.

Lachlan, are you in denial?

Daddy got a personal visit from Trump on October 18th.

What was he doing in the office??

When a poster doesn't have a valid argument, they do what R109 is doing there.

When a poster is posting bullshit, they force a diversion and do what r110 is doing here.

No 111. RE: Fox. Facts are facts: see posts R100. See post R92. Do you want to dispute those numbers?

Here's another one for that indicates the decline of viewership of cable news:

"Nielsen data showed TV viewership of the presidential election coverage fell by a quarter from four years ago, with the three largest cable news networks — CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News — all reporting a drop from 2020.

Fell by a quarter.

But keep blaming Fox for what happened on November 6th.

Before Election Day: "Latinos should vote how we want because, unlike the Republicans, we are not racist."

After Election Day: "Ugh, Latinos are so stupid, and what's up with that machismo culture?"

The Trump Era to come will do the Democratic Party's task for it, because Trump is poised, with his coterie of ignorant bigots, to ruin our economy with tariffs; destroy Social Security and Medicare to pay for tax breaks for the 1%; increase prices via deportations of workers; kill citizens from banning vaccinations and the ACA; spend millions upon millions on bogus political investigations; and more.

Privatization for cronies, aka Putinism, will replace the Social Contract. Musk will own NASA.

Trump has no, and never did have any, plans to do anything positive or helpful or advancing for America, our national security, scientific research, industrial innovation, not even road repair.

Too late, people will realize what they did on November 5th, and what future they threw away.

Your point, r113? Optimism gave way to reality.

They’ll just cling ever more tightly to their orange messiah, r114, and Fux will tell them it’s all Democrats fault.

Legacy media will echo the bullshit, blaming Democrats instead of asking the brain dead how the bell the MINORITY PARTY can affect anything.

Logic and reason have no place here. Just hate and fear.

As long as the myopic Dems keep blaming Trump and Fox News for their failures, they will be guaranteed continued failure. Get you fucking heads out of your asses and start working for the people, not just the coastal elites.

FOAD, r117.

Fux IS Russian propaganda. It has nothing to do with “working for the people”. Thanks to the Democrats, the US has the WORLD’S strongest recovery, yet all the maggots ignore it because Fux tells them to.

Black Friday was record breaking in revenue THANKS TO DEMOCRATS and low unemployment. But Fux ignores that and screams about Joe pardoning Hunter.

Fux and dumb Russian spouting propaganda cunts like YOU are the problem. Stuff your “elitist” bullshit right up your unfuckable hole.

[quote]No, it is not Fox New's fault.

Except more people watch Fox News than any other "cable" network. It's in every airport, sports bar, gym, military mess hall, you name it, if there is a TV with news on in a public space it's always Fox. After Dump won the election they got a 20% INCREASE in viewership. MSNBC lost 40% of it's viewers.

R117 has never been to the coast. Watches Fox News all day. If he had been to California outside of the big cities he would realize the vast majority of people on the coast live in small towns, suburbs and rural areas. 40% of CA voters are Republican.

R120 has no idea what the term " coastal elites" means.

[quote]coastal elite: the group of educated, professional people living mainly in cities on the western or northeastern coasts of the U.S. who have liberal political views and are often considered to have advantages that most ordinary Americans do not have

The major media are on the coasts. The federal government is near the coast. Cape Canaveral is on the coast. Wall Street, close by. The Ivy League, Stanford, Berkeley. Silicon Valley.

Yeah, it's a shame.

The sad reality is that there are more conservatives in the US than not. The Dems will always have to shuck and jive to keep those centrists voting for them while the Rs can literally erect a swastika on the National Mall and no one cares.

Dems lost the presidency by like 1.5%....in 2020 Republicans lost by 4.4%

Donald Trump is a "coastal elite"

This the Democrats plan. "It's going to suck so bad under Trump they will have to come back to us."

And in 2022 after the so called blue wave, the media said the same fucking thing about the Republican Party.

R127 the Dems defying those who said it would take months for them to come up with a plan.

The Democrats don’t have a plan, nor should they a month after the election. Even the Tea Party strategy, which deflated the most popular president of the 21st century, didn’t begin until a month after the inauguration. If Democrats were smart, they would follow that plan.

I don't see any reason we should treat this criminal as legitimate. The Rs start assaulting a D president immediately - even in the middle of a huge national crisis. We are dealing with amoral monsters. Fuck them.

R131 will valiantly keep on fighting by posting snippy things on DL.

[quote]The sad reality is that there are more conservatives in the US than not.

The sad reality is that there are more racists in the US than not.

Fixed it.

R132 will record video of him sucking off Nick Fuentes.

[quote]Donald Trump is a "coastal elite"

And so is The Heritage Foundation, Ronald Reagan Library, Richard Nixon Library, Cato Institute, and most republican think tanks. As well as politicians like Little Marco and Ron D Santis.

The Heritage Foundation is not costal, it is Plantation Elite.

[quote]And so is The Heritage Foundation, Ronald Reagan Library, Richard Nixon Library, Cato Institute, and most republican think tanks. As well as politicians like Little Marco and Ron D Santis.

"... the group of educated, professional people... who have liberal political views "

Doubt if any one of those entities has "liberal political views," so they do not qualify as a " coastal elite."

Dems need to tell trannies to fuck right off, and take their 0.01 percent of the vote with them.

No, R138, they should stand for equal rights, not the special ones that the Dems have afforded them.

R139 what rights do trannies not have? Adults can transition without restriction, they can use whatever fucking bathroom they want as long as they’ve already transitioned and they can pass. So what’s the problem? Are they angry because red states are cracking down on transing kids?

[quote]Dems need to tell trannies to fuck right off, and take their 0.01 percent of the vote with them.

On behalf of today's arguments in the Supreme Court, go fuck yourself with a chainsaw.

[quote]The Heritage Foundation is not costal, it is Plantation Elite.

It's located in DC and it's a think tank, I think that qualifies as "elite".

[quote] The Heritage Foundation is not costal, it is Plantation Elite.

Coastal South Carolina?

Headquarters are in DC. Besides it's not about location, it's about ELITE.

[quote]what rights do trannies not have?

The right not to be vilified in a debate about second class citizens.

The right not to be killed.

Like Willie Horton and those poor Haitians WHO WERE NOT EATING THE DOGS, THE RIGHT TO NOT BE FALSELY PORTRAYED FOR FEAR MONGERING.

[quote]The right not to be killed.

What?

Yes, TG citizens are very likely to be murdered.

How about the right to be tolerated as fellow citizens?

[QUOTE] Like Willie Horton and those poor Haitians WHO WERE NOT EATING THE DOGS, THE RIGHT TO NOT BE FALSELY PORTRAYED FOR FEAR MONGERING.

Willie Horton was harmful to a significant portion of the population, and an enormous piece of the Democratic vote. Trans people can’t be compared to black people. The Dems are just going to have to throw trans people under the bus. I don’t see any alternative.

The Dem presidential candidate who makes the determination that the party can’t sink with trans people will be the one who rises up and takes the 2028 nomination.

Trans people were MADE “a thing” by the reich wing who incessantly blabbered on and on and on about how “trannies are coming for your kids!”

It was just their same, stupid fear mongering and dumb people falling for it for it every single time.

Most of those dumb asses probably don’t even know a trans person, yet they think THEIR LIFE is going to irreversibly damaged by one moving into town.

I never knew R149 there was such trans hate in the country until I joined DL and saw the many threads attacking the trans here on the DL.

It’s not MAGSs fault Harris called for federal tax payer dollars being used on sex change for prisoners and then never went back and corrected that statement or doubled down on that statement.

If maga had not used the trans issue as they did it would have been political malpractice and incompetence.

[quote]Trans people were MADE “a thing” by the reich wing

Not true.

They were made "a thing" by trans activists.

[quote]R150: I never knew [R149] there was such trans hate in the country until I joined DL and saw the many threads attacking the trans here on the DL.

The messaging is not a measure of how much hate, but of how organized the propaganda movement is. It's just a few people making a disproportionately loud noise. On the DL, the messaging is propagated by far-right socks.

R138 See me at Columbus Circle bitch.

[quote]The messaging is not a measure of how much hate, but of how organized the propaganda movement is. It's just a few people making a disproportionately loud noise.

You're wrong about that.

Plenty of intelligent and sensible gay men are unhappy about the "T" being added to LBG

They'll have transgendered people in camps doing forced labor with the immigrants within a year.

Wonder who they'll go after that when the trans problem is "cured".

Truly, it is a mystery.

They can't find they're own asses, how are they going to round up hundreds of thousands of immigrants? Most of his cabinet will be blithering idiots and coked up.

And fuck the Latinos, I hope some get tied together like prisoners, they all go maggot eventually, fuck them all

Dems focused the entire campaign on women ( especially white suburban women) to the point of vilifying men ( especially white men). Everything on progressive radio and MSNBC was women, women, women.

[quote]Yet such support failed to materialize, with Trump winning among white women 53% to 46% over Harris, with that group making up the largest overall voting bloc at 40%, according to AP VoteCast.

The stupidity of the campaign was mind-boggling, and, in the end, the very voters the Dems depended on rejected them. If it weren't tragic, it would be laughable.

[quote]They can't find they're own asses, how are they going to round up hundreds of thousands of immigrants? Most of his cabinet will be blithering idiots and coked up.

Being dismissive of Trump et al. doesn't change the fact that he keeps winning, while Democrats and liberalism are becoming irrelevant.

The idea that Latinos and blacks share one brain because of identity police is just bs. The Democratic Party has to move on from that. It’s amazing how the party of smart people can have so many stupid ideas. We’ll need a strong Party to fight the corrupt Trump administration. so get it together.

the guy that shot the united healthcare ceo is the screaming message. they won't listen. people do not have enough money. they can not even dream of a vacation or travel in their lifetime. they can not see the doctor. they can not see the dentist. they can not save money. they can not pursue their hobbies or interests. they can not fix their car. they can not get ahead of their debt. a child tax credit and a loan for small businesses is a joke. democrats say everything is fine and offer insulting half solutions that aren't helpful enough. it makes total sense that low information voters are once again drawn to the burn it all down guy. i'm honestly hopeful that the public turns to violence as opposed to political solutions - simply terrorize the oligarch class and let them decide how to make it stop. beautiful.

Too late r159. We can’t recover from this. Hope is…dead.

[quote]R154: You're wrong about that. Plenty of intelligent and sensible gay men are unhappy about the "T" being added to LBG

That doesn't speak to intelligence and sensibility. It's exactly like straight folk losing their shit over the existence of gays. It doesn't pertain to them or affect their lives in the slightest. Neither does the "T" affect you. Let 'em be.

There's something terribly wrong with people who are obsessed with the 'T,' just as there was something terribly wrong with Germans who were fixated on the Jews.

^ The obsessed ones are the "T".

[quote]R163: ^ The obsessed ones are the "T".

I wouldn't know. I've never seen one, never met one; I basically don't have any evidence from personal experience that they even exist, much less that they're causing any trouble. I only ever hear about them from obsessed, histrionic right wingers. It was the same with "ANTIFA." Right wingers make most of this shit up, and try to make political capital by propagating bullshit rhetoric.

If they truly exist, then Leave. Them. Alone.

They're not doing anything to you.

Shouldn't you be Door-Dashing, or busking somewhere?

For some reason a very large number of celebs have trans children.. Cher, Sade, Warren Beatty, , Naomi Watts, JL Curtis , Cynthia Nixon etc. It is still rare to know a trans person in real life.

[quote]I've never seen one, never met one; I basically don't have any evidence from personal experience that they even exist, much less that they're causing any trouble.

Jesus. R164 Ever heard of Martina Navratilova? Is she an “obsessed, histrionic right-winger,” in your view? Guess her views on trans in women's sports are immaterial to you. Suppose Lia Thomas escaped your notice, too, then. And you’ve never heard of Wi Spa in LA.

If you have zero experience with the phenomenon, by all means, weigh the hell in anyway— but how seriously should we view your opinion?

[quote]Plenty of intelligent and sensible gay men are unhappy about the "T" being added to LBG

They may be plentiful but they're neither intelligent or sensible.

The screaming fits against trans people echo almost exactly the panics surrounding gay teachers in the 80s.

It's fear mongering and scapegoating.

And who gives a fuck what that leathery old dyke has to say about trans people in sports? By the way? If it was so fucking easy for a man to put on a dress and win at women's tennis, why hasn't any? Why hasn't one?

Martina should stop worrying about trans people and start worrying when all the women she sexually harassed over the years will come forward.

[quote]The screaming fits against trans people echo almost exactly the panics surrounding gay teachers in the 80s.

No it's not. You are totally wrong.

Men invading women's spaces can in no way be compared to gay issues and causes.

Quite useful thread to block lunatics.

This sums up the bigotry of people like R167: "that leathery old dyke".

They always out themselves.

[quote]Alternatively, the Democratic Party could get its head out of its collective ass and start figuring out how to connect with the voters that it needs. How hard could it be, ffs?

Well let's see here.

"I'm Latino but I'm voting for Trump to boot the dirty Latino criminals out of America, but they'll most certainly leave me alone, one of the nice not-criminal Latinos."

Yeah, please feel free to give us a messaging strategy that would have cut through that nuclear-powered level of psychotic fucking idiocy.

We'll wait.

[quote]"I'm Latino but I'm voting for Trump to boot the dirty Latino criminals out of America..."

So, we should not expect Latinos to be concerned about crime?

I like how people who do not identify as gay want us to throw the Ts under the bus. The LGBT community is a civil rights movement. It is a movement against the white overlords telling everyone else., who is and who isn't a second class citizen. We are all citizens period.

R157 I said that too. And remember Trump’s meeting with black journalists. All female journalists on stage. Not one black man. Big mistake. I can’t believe a sista involved, couldn’t realize the optics of that would be disastrous and insist on having a black male in media.

r173 explain then the existence of males that have zero sexual and gender attraction to women ( homosexual/ cis gender), and this other group that get sexually aroused by them and have strong gender attraction to them to the point of mutilating and changing their own bodies to look like the opossite sex (heterosexual-trans) . the link between these two completely contraries are the homosexual-trans. the homosexual-trans are puzzled they are constantly asking to themselves, why would my fellow homosexual men do not like to change their bodies to look like females, why is it that we do not see more homosexual men transitioning, like me?, they also have this nagging question that goes on and on and on inside their heads, why? why? why is it that some of my fellow transgenders do not like to suck cock, they like to have sec with females? that’s crazy, how can that be possible ?why is it that they prefer to lick pussies and fondle breast? why cant some of my fellow transgenders allow me to suck their cocks and prefer females to suck their cocks? how can that be even possible? this homosexual-trans are the face of the trans movement, and the ones who do everything they can to maje homosexual-cis genders accept the whole transexuality issue as if it was a homosexual’s one. there was a new a few months ago in latin america of a transgender entering a female restroom and he was caught jerking off with his cock fully erected. probably the guy gets off smelling the toilet or vaginal used tampons that women left in those restrooms. mind you, that same guy pretty sure goes to gay prides waving the rainbow flag even though he doesn’t have the least desire to be sexually with another men.

[quote]I like how people who do not identify as gay want us to throw the Ts under the bus.

No they don't.

They just don't feel that transgender people belong lumped together with the LGB.

Transgender is a whole other issue.

Gay men are happy with their sex.

R173 white overlords are running the LGBT community also.

No, r137, they qualify as Coastal Liars and Hypocrites.

The term "Coastal Elites" is a concocted Right-Wing attempt, in the style of GHWB's "Harvard boutiques" (said a Yalie), to imply that Democrats are out-of-touch, over-educated, Ivory Tower, wealthy snobs who simply do not and cannot "relate" to "regular Americans," unlike, of course, the "salt of the Earth," Blue-Collar, Community College, minimum-wage, backyard picnic Republican politicians.

And now the term is considered by the media as neutral, when it is anything but.

So you think that if Democrats and gay people were shitty and awful to trans people, Harris would have won?

Sure.

The trans loons are hyperfixated weirdos.

It's instructive that their most prominent spokesperson is Elon Musk.

Great thread by Ben Wikler. This is the line of attack that will be used in 2026 and 2028 by Democrats.

r175, they are ALL citizens who need to workm out their problems privately. But they should not have commercials about then shown during football games to lather up the white overlords. Just like the white overlords did not know any Willie Hortons in real life but were booga booga'd about them on TV.

Our actual enemy is Fox/Advertising/Marketing/Analytics that does the research on the next group that IS EATING THE DOGS!

It is Fox' ability to push out crap that is eagerly swallowed by Trump's "I love the uneducated" uneducated that is our true enemy.

Fox is the enemy that creates MAGA enemies. (I believe that QAnon is their beta).

R181 It is social media that helped Trump win. That is where the action is.

The Gen Z, the Hispanic men that made the difference this election aren't watching Fox News. BTW: the age of the average Fox viewer is 70.

“The elites” are those fuckers in the same line of work as that healthcare CEO that got shot in NY.

More of those elites need to be taken out. Maybe then we could have nice things.

r182, Fox vets it and pushes it out to the internet.

News Corp: Includes the Wall Street Journal, The New York Post, The Australian, The Herald Sun, The Sun, and The Times. News Corp also includes HarperCollins, a book publisher, and digital real estate services.

Fox Corporation: Includes Fox News, Fox Business, Fox Sports, FX, and National Geographic Channels. Murdoch's son, Lachlan, runs the new Fox. Sky News Australia: A television broadcasting channel.

Murdoch's media empire also includes major newspapers and television outlets in Australia and Britain

Murdoch feeds his media and the Internet picks it up.

Social Media is never a primary feed. It is a distributor of Murdochrap.

The enemy is the source of mis and dis information.

Murdochrap.

Trans hating loons have to go this far to find some kind of confirmation of their fever dreams:

[quote]there was a new a few months ago in latin america of a transgender entering a female restroom and he was caught jerking off with his cock fully erected

So...a few months ago, there was a new[s] item in LATIN FUCKING AMERICA of ONE trans person being gross.

What are we supposed to do with this information? Assuming it's even true?

You people are sick and weird and need help.

Pod Saves America and Brian Tyler Cohen's podcasts/videos get far more viewers and listeners than MSNBC and CNN. They also have far more influence among Democrats than cable news hosts. PSA did successful voter events this year that the Harris campaign should have participated in. It was a big mistake for Harris not to do their shows.

In this case, r185, I agree. This was most likely just a pervert who put on a dress to do what he did, not a genuine Transgender.

R184 Nope, sorry....the GenZ, the Hispanic men that pushed Trump over the top are not sitting around reading the Wall Street Journal, The New York Post, The Australian, The Herald Sun, The Sun, and The Times. Etc.

And no, the stories, options and attitudes do not originate there.

You've got it all wrong.

This is the year 2024.

[quote]Pod Saves America and Brian Tyler Cohen's podcasts/videos get far more viewers and listeners than MSNBC and CNN.

The problem with Brian Tyler Cohen is that he's so fucking dumb. I'm not surprised he and his listeners were so shocked when Trump won. Talk about living in a bubble...

Sorry r188, without all the Murdochrap being produced, MAGA's podcasts and influencers would have no feed. Murdoch Inc. PUSHES it out to its viewers, who relay the murdochrap all over the internet.

[quote]Link please to your theory. Give us some examples.

R190 Link please to your theory. Give us some examples.

[quote]The problem with Brian Tyler Cohen is that he's so fucking dumb.

Uh, sure Jan. You keep telling yourself that if it make you feel better, also you might as well tell that mirror on the wall how pretty you are since lying is what you do best. Meanwhile his popularity based on his quick thinking and articulate manner has grown into millions of followers.

R167 god, you’re ignorant, no offense. But are you even out of high school yet? Renee Richards was one of the first transsexuals in US sports in the 1960s, who started winning women's tennis championships at age 40, and then sued for and gained entrance into the U.S. Women's Open around 1970–in your elegant words, putting on a dress and winning at tennis against bio women athletes.

She has since regretted her participation in women's sports:

[quote]And Richards has come to believe that her past as a man did provide her advantages over competitors. “Having lived for the past 30 years, I know if I’d had surgery at the age of 22, and then at 24 went on the tour, no genetic woman in the world would have been able to come close to me. And so I’ve reconsidered my opinion.”

[quote]She adds, “There is one thing that a transsexual woman unfortunately cannot expect to be allowed to do, and that is to play professional sports in her chosen field. She can get married, live as woman, do all of those other things, and no one should ever be allowed to take them away from her. But this limitation—that’s just life. I know because I lived it.”

Not that I think this brand-new piece of sports history will induce you to change your mind by a single brain cell (assuming facts not in evidence)—just that it might remind others of us that a lot of this debate has been ongoing for decades.

Serena Williams, by the way, has said the same in reverse: that she'd be unable to beat the top 100 seeded male tennis players.

It is a travesty for the Biden admin to have allowed this unpopular issue to dominate their policy all throughout Biden's presidency. And the Repubs are crossing their stubby fingers and dirty toes and hoping that the DNC will continue to be just as obtuse in 2028.

Ok so your example of this bullshit "issue" of trans women in sports is from 50 years ago.

And then there's this...

[quote]the Biden admin to have allowed this unpopular issue to dominate their policy

Biden didn't ALLOW anything. The Rs (funded by millions from Musk, who hates his trans daughter) have relentlessly made it so. What is Biden supposed to do? Publicly hate trans people? How would he go about doing that? And in a way that would satisfy loonies like you? Would anyone even realize it if he did it?

The only thing Dems can do about this "issue" is refuse to take the bait and let crazy fucks like you stew in their own hatred. Because, believe it or not, there are voters who don't want to see the Dems succumb to this hysteria. There are votes to lose on the other side of your bigotry and panic.

I think the trans flashing his/her tits on the WH grounds for the press to see after a meeting with Biden showed the country where the Dems stood on this issue.

The sounds of silence

Condemning that action and also not supporting the male swimmer on the Penn swim team would have been easy wins for them. Just a more middle of the road stance instead of going in 100 on the issue.

The gop WH no matter who is in charge will not be giving prime interviews to adult men dressed as a woman pretending to be a 14 yo girl for the kids he/she entertains.

The Dems and Biden saw elevating Dylan as a good move,

[quote]Uh, sure Jan. You keep telling yourself that if it make you feel better, also you might as well tell that mirror on the wall how pretty you are since lying is what you do best. Meanwhile his popularity based on his quick thinking and articulate manner has grown into millions of followers.

No, he's an idiot. He could not fathom that there was a real chance of Trump winning. After the election he said he was "shocked!" at the result. Well of course he was.

His stupidity is in full display during his Piers Morgan appearances. And his podcast: "Surprise news shifts race DRAMATICALLY in Kamala’s favor", "Trump descends into FULL PANIC as fear of Kamala hits FEVER PITCH', " Trump SCRAMBLES as his campaign suffers FATAL blow", Trump makes FATAL MISTAKE in Pennsylvania, "OMG: Trump makes FATAL MISTAKE in FINAL MOMENTS of last rally", "Trump PANICS amid CAMPAIGN-ENDING blow". LOL.

And he put so much effort in trying to convince his listeners that Joe Biden was sharp as a tack when ANYONE could see what his condition was.

Watch his post-election update. Ah, suddenly he saw the light. What a dope.

Three words r195: Dr “Rachel” Levine.

Oh, and rewriting Title IX regs to force schools to allow males into girls' and women's sports in schools & colleges receiving any fed $$, which is all of them.

[quote]The only thing Dems can do about this "issue" is refuse to take the bait and let crazy fucks like you stew in their own hatred. Because, believe it or not, there are voters who don't want to see the Dems succumb to this hysteria. There are votes to lose on the other side of your bigotry and panic.

I'm on your side of this issue, but unfortunately I'd respectfully disagree on this point.

The GOP pushed the "OMG Kamala is transing the childrens in school!" point relentlessly, and it stuck. It's absolute, pure 100% horseshit, but it stuck. The thing the Dems need to figure out quickly is how to combat the flood of pure horseshit the GOP pushed on social media, because it unfortunately worked.

I have a feeling that over the next 4 years (if not the next 2 until the midterms) the republican party will do everything necessary to help the democratic party get back on its proper footing.

I hope Trump reverses the title IX changes asap.

Refuse to take the bait = be quiet and let Dems or Harris past statements speak for themselves.

It was Harris who said that federal prisoners should get tax payer paid for sex changes. MAGA did not make that up. And Harris never said that was a mistake.

It was Dems or libs generally supporting men playing in girls sports.

The Dems set the table and then let the gop come in and feast on the goodies while the Dems said almost nothing.

Bill Clinton warned Harris that this was an issue that was going to bite the Dems in the ass.

So far based on comments I’d say the Dems or liberals have learned exactly 0.

R198 Plus that guy is annoying. He fucking grew up rich. Now he is trans and stood up to BudLight and that’s good for him but something about him rings attention seeking. For one it almost seems like a mockery of a little preppy white girl.

Omg I am so sorry. I should have referred to Dylan as she. So fucking sorry. I swear I meant no shade. She is annoying.

R205 says something about Dylan rings as if he/ she is an attention seeker?

One of the more shocking truly shocking but maybe brighter observations made in the entire world today.

[quote]Omg I am so sorry. I should have referred to Dylan as she. So fucking sorry. I swear I meant no shade. She is annoying.

R206 You were right the first time.

He didn't "stand up" to Bud Light, r205. He took money from Bud Light to promote their product, but no one likes him so it backfired on Bud Light.

R208 No don’t do that. Respect their gender. I won’t do the they/them shit because that’s just some narcissistic bullshit. But I will respect the new sex or gender(I forget which term is appropriate) of a trans person.

Chicks with dicks

Chicks who once had dicks

The world is not that fucking complicated. OK for Dems it might well be.

R211 I think it’s just hateful as fuck to call someone who has gone through the mental anguish of realizing they are not the same sex as their sexual organs and to not respect their new sex. It’s backed by the scientific community. And no I don’t believe children should transition. Just curious , are you male or female? Gay, straight or bi?

And if you must be ignant, there is no such thing as chicks with dicks. They are guys with tits 😂

Hateful :-)

We lost the SC then we went and lost the WH, the Senate, and the House. The only hope now is the GOP fucking up really really bad, The Dems in their own are fucked.

Of course the real issue is what we call Dylan

R212, there's no such thing as not being the same sex as your sexual organs. There is no scientific community backing for the notion of being "born in the wrong body" or of being "a woman trapped in a man's body". It's funny that you mention scientific community backing, however, as you say you do not support transing kids - well, the trans lobby keeps telling us that there is tons of scientific backing for their child mutilation practices. Surely if you supported the idea that there are people who are not of the same sex as their sexual organs because there is supposedly scientific community backing for it, then you support transing kids too as the same scientific community allegedly backs that too.

As for Dylan Mulvaney, he's nothing but a conman.

[quote]R166: Ever heard of Martina Navratilova?

That she was a lesbian, sure. Back in the last century. Nothing since.

[quote]Is she an “obsessed, histrionic right-winger,” in your view? Guess her views on trans in women's sports are immaterial to you. Suppose Lia Thomas escaped your notice, too, then. And you’ve never heard of Wi Spa in LA.

Yes, they're immaterial. I don't do social media. Whatever's raging on Xhitter, TikTok, etc, does not exist as far as I'm concerned.

[quote]If you have zero experience with the phenomenon, by all means, weigh the hell in anyway— but how seriously should we view your opinion?

Uh-huh. There's that "we" shit again.

R216 is discussing trans issues, like a real adult might, but has no idea who Lia Thomas is

No, R217, I am not "discussing trans issues." There are no 'trans issues,' and people who think there are

a) have too much time on their hands, and

b) cannot mind their own goddamned business.

None of it affects your life in any way. Leave them alone.

R218 of course the trans issue had absolutely no impact on the recent national election. None at all

I trust Bill Clinton more than you on this issue. And Bill does not agree with you at least as far as winning elections and the trans issue,. And he called that long before the Dems lost.

But maybe winning elections is not as important?

Lia Thomas has a direct effect on the lives and business of female college swimmers in the US, and by extension of all female athletes, given that if the principle he epitomises of males being permitted to compete in women's sports is universally accepted then women's sport is dead. By extension, that then affects the lives and business of all women, as if men are permitted into our spaces and to take over our activities then we won't have the right to do much.

Lia Thomas helped Trump win the election. He is not the reason but he is a reason. As is Dylan. America put its foot down , it’s tired if this shit, and the Harris team refused to listen. There were told but they knew better.

Why do you keep calling trans women, he. It’s like calling a Spanish person a spic or something. Likewise if a trans man, she. It’s a complete slur, you should stop.

[quote]There are no 'trans issues,'

Stupidest comment yet.

R222, since when was "he" a slur? It's the pronoun used to refer to male people. Transwomen are male. They are not women. Dylan Mulvaney and Lia Thomas are men. Referring to them as he is entirely correct. Even you refer to Mulvaney as he, because your brain registers him as male whenever you see a pic of him.

"She" is also not a slur. Both Chase Strangio and I are a she. I don't consider being referred to as she a slur.

Your posts are a perfect example of why the Democrats lost.

But the scientific world and their spiritual bodies feel like they are women so why not just respect them.

The election demonstrated the split in American society...a split that is 50/50. Half the country who voted for this racist, sexist, irresponsible imbecile who is a convicted felon and who violated his oat to defend and protect the US constitution on 1/6/21 is comprised of the following:

1. MAGA true believers who are delusional, conspiracy loving, racist, sexist morons.

2. People who are not critical thinkers and who do not pay any attention to politics.

3. Selfish people who know better, but who care more about taxes..

Many of these people believed this imbecile was a successful businessman because they watched a reality tv show. They have short-term memories and forget about this buffoon's first term in office.

And I truly believe half the country prefers an authoritarian leader who tells them what to do and what to think.

R226 You're clueless as to how today's Democrat party is perceived by many.

Over half the country preferred someone other than Harris and the Dems. But delusional Dems who can’t deal with reality will blow that valuable lesson.

And that lesson is the one they really need to learn from. Why lose if you don’t learn anything from losing?

“Suppose Lia Thomas escaped your notice, too, then. And you’ve never heard of Wi Spa in LA.”

Here's r216 poison dragon:

[quote]Yes, they're immaterial. I don't do social media. Whatever's raging on Xhitter, TikTok, etc, does not exist as far as I'm concerned.

Poisoned Dragon thinks Lia Thomas and Wi Spa are social influencers.

“Suppose Lia Thomas escaped your notice, too, then. And you’ve never heard of Wi Spa in LA.”

Here's r216 poison dragon:

[quote]Yes, they're immaterial. I don't do social media. Whatever's raging on Xhitter, TikTok, etc, does not exist as far as I'm concerned.

Poisoned Dragon thinks Lia Thomas and Wi Spa are social influencers.

[quote]R230: “Suppose Lia Thomas escaped your notice, too, then. And you’ve never heard of Wi Spa in LA.”

Correct. I have no reason to know any of those things. There's no interest there. But then I'm not obsessed with all things trans.

[quote] Poisoned Dragon thinks Lia Thomas and Wi Spa are social influencers.

I don't care who/what they are. Your insistence that I ought to is just weird. It still doesn't touch my life at any point, and all things being equal, it really doesn't touch yours... save for your obsession.

[quote]—.. and doesn’t know what news outlets are ,,

I do. But I'm highly selective about them. Nothing right-wing. Nothing concerning the trans has ever entered my news feed because I've never clicked on any of that as a subject. Ever heard of algorithms? What you click on determines what your news feed will offer you. That's why trans material is in yours, and not in mine.

You keep trying to make my lack of interest/awareness of the trans into some kind of detriment. It's not. It's still a non-subject in which you're interested to an unhealthy degree.

It’s a topic currently occupying the U.S. Supreme Court at the moment, so your total (and proud) lack of knowledge about a highly salient topic is bizarre.

That’s okay. You can afford to be selective on what you choose to know. Others, not so much.

[quote]It's still a non-subject in which you're interested to an unhealthy degree.

Funny you keep posting on a thread about a "non-subject" of which you have no interest.

[quote]Over half the country preferred someone other than Harris and the Dems.

FALSE. Roughly 1/3 voted for Trump, 1/3rd voted for Harris with a 1.5% margin. 1/3rd didn't vote at all.

So maybe the 1/3d that didn't vote didn't like either candidate but it's not an endorsement for Trump.

Snce Gore's loss decided by a corrupt SCOTUS in 2000, Dems have failed to appreciate the depths to which the Repugs were willing to go to seize power, and the find themselves where they are right now, with Repugs having packed SCOTUS, attempted overthrow of the state, controlling Congress and the Senate, and about to attempt to eviscerated the civil service as well as release their racist misogynistic rabid supporters on society.

Democratic leader know how important SCOTUS is, but I think the general public of Dems really still don't get it. Not like the rabid right who spent decades talking about it and how they wanted to overturn abortion laws. SCOTUS just always seemed to be 5th down on the list of concerns.

R234 you have described every recent incident U.S. election.,so we say half the country we are always talking about those that vote not those that may never in their life vote.

More voters now register gop than dem and more voters voted for trump than Harris. And if more Americans voted it’s likely trumps win would have been larger,

The Dems need to quit this we almost won horse shit it makes the Dems look stupid

SC House Senate White House all Fi Lu gop. But can put a happy face on that if you think 0- 4 shut out is a good results to brag about,

[quote]The Dems need to quit this we almost won

And yet it's ok that the Republicans wont admit they lost in 2020. They are still repeating their lie and they won again.

Well I mean all of you trans-hating loons have gotten your wish. The new administration will be staffed by trans-hating maniacs who will do their best to use state power to persecute a tiny, virtually helpless minority.

And yet you're still not happy! Imagine that.

Well my Trans friend voted for Trump r239, had a long debate over it on FB. So explain that.

R238 are you worried about the state of the gop and are giving them advice for 2028?

The issue is delusional Dems thinking they almost won. How stupid is that?

That is the problem unless your concerns are more helping the gop than the Dems .

And yet, Republicans claim that a .5% win is a fucking MANDATE.

[quote]More voters now register gop than dem and more voters voted for trump than Harris.

The power of Fox/Trump Advertising to get people to vote against their own interests.

Can the Dems just stop rationalizing and take a good look at changing their policies to better serve the voters? As long as these, " We are the holy ones" positions are maintained and nothing changes, they will continue to lose.

Federal courts—- going

Supreme Court —-gone

White House —-gone

House———gone

Senate——gone.

Larger party by membership——gone

Getting used to life as a dem

[quote]R244: Can the Dems just stop rationalizing and take a good look at changing their policies to better serve the voters?

What's typically being screamed about aren't Dem policies to begin with. Like how they're supposedly pro-inflation, pro-abortion, in favor of open borders, transing kids - complete bullshit.

Voters don't care about policies. Or at least what they think about policies is based on vibes.

They just got a (stupid, wrong) vibe that Trump is better for the economy and will bring prices down.

He won't but there's practically no arguing with that.

[quote]But until Democrats show, not tell, they are fighting for everyday people’s lives and livelihoods and against billionaires, corporations, and MAGA Republicans hell bent on harming them, they cannot hope to fend off the twin lures of authoritarianism — rooted in the siren song of blaming some “other” — and cynicism — rooted in the assessment that “both sides” are beholden to the money and not the many. In other words, “it’s neoliberalism, stupid.”

[quote]Well I mean all of you trans-hating loons have gotten your wish. The new administration will be staffed by trans-hating maniacs who will do their best to use state power to persecute a tiny, virtually helpless minority.

The loons are the men who put on a dress and think they're women. And want us to play along.

THAT'S a loon.

"Democrats outsourced their Latino strategy to progressive nonprofits run by educated progressives who sought (sometimes for, I believe, quite moral reasons) to liberalize US immigration; but they lost sight of the fact that they were pushing policy significantly to the left of the preferences of less educated voters who make up the supermajority of the Latino electorate."

I heard some asshole the other day crowing about how dump brought gas prices down.

I just rolled my eyes at him. Fuckwits like that aren’t worth the effort of explaining gas price ALWAYS go down in winter.

How so many goddamn RETARDS can even put on their clothes in the morning is a mystery

[quote]Can the Dems just stop rationalizing and take a good look at changing their policies to better serve the voters?

I said it before and I will say it again. If you want to scold Dems for being out of touch with real voters, stop pretended what really motivates Republican. Lets be brutally honest, its HATE that motivates MAGA which trickles down to Republicans. They HATE Immigrants, they HATE Progressives, they HATE the Educators, they HATE Science, they HATE honest debates, they HATE LGBT, they hate Women.

You can rationalize that's not what they want or that they are not all like that but you are living in your bubble as well. So the cold hard truth is, if Democrats want to win, they have to go where the voters are and that means Dems have to create a campaign based on HATE.

Not hate of Donald Trump, that's just preaching the the choir. Republicans, MAGA and the Right are motivated mostly by hate, so meet them where they are or risk losing with lofty ideas again.

R252 could you repeat that again?

I will keep repeating it because I am tired of "this is what Dems did wrong" but then they wont admit the real driving force behind what motivated Republicans more than any other issue was hate of other individuals.

[quote]And want us to play along.

That is the thing right there. You're not "playing along." You're "leaving them alone."

Trans people - for the most part - want to be left alone.

But the lunatics currently in control of the Republican party (and of the DL) want to actively make their lives miserable because they find it offensive to call someone Sharon when that person used to be called Steve.

It is such fucking low stakes nonsense that it really boggles the mind.

[quote]the real driving force behind what motivated Republicans more than any other issue was hate of other individuals.

So your contention is that the formerly live-and-let-live residents of Imperial County, CA suddenly started HATING immigrants, progressives, educators, science, honest debates and women?

r249, you may call them loons but they are citizens who have rights.

[quote]But the lunatics currently in control of the Republican party (and of the DL) want to actively make their lives miserable because they find it offensive to call someone Sharon when that person used to be called Steve.

I think you're wrong about that.

I'd don't think anyone has a problem with a name change.

However, please don't expect me to consider you female just because you're wearing a dress.

So the messaging issues the Democrats need to unilaterally fix are the price of eggs, transphobic lunatics hallucinating forced transitioning of schoolkids, the migrant crisis that never happened, and Gaza?

R256, what an odd pick to prove a point. Such a sparsely populated county on the border of Mexico is how you explain the voting across 50 states? It's mostly farmland, desert, and a dead lake called the Salton Sea, one of the poorest parts of the state.

r259, and all of those are created PR issues developed by Fox/Advertising/Marketing/Analytics to divide the Democratic Party and MAGA from Democrats.

THEY ARE EATING THE DOGS.

We must keep in mind that all the Dems problems are someone else’s fault. It’s never been the fault of the dems or liberals. It’s always someone else’s fault and those people are always bad people. Usually Nazis but sometimes commies or maga. But the key to remember—-it’s never our fault,

I think shrinks have a name for this type of thinking.

[quote]don't expect me to consider you female just because you're wearing a dress.

The olds on this site bitch about the youngs and their need for validation on social media but it affects the olds too. Like - who gives a fuck what you consider another person to be? Why should that person (or me or anyone) care? Who told you that your opinion needs to be heard and validated?

Talk about a participation trophy.

r262, no, the Dem's problems are not someone else's fault.

The narrative is controlled by the Fox/Analytic/Marketing Advertising.

When you can spin a booming economy on the continuous bleating of the price of eggs and spin border control on LEGAL immigrants eating dogs, then you have lost the narrative and Capitalist's siren song that you cannot trust the government wins out over TWO FUCKING TRILLION DOLLARS IN DIRECT AID TO STATES AND COUNTIES.

Democrats should have run on their record. PERIOD.

Well the problem is that the name at the top of that record was Biden, who was hated, it seems, for reasons I still can't really understand.

He beat Covid, engineered a pretty astonishing economic comeback, actually got us out of Afghanistan after Trump saying he would and didn't. But the price of eggs went way up (and then down again) so Harris was in a fix that she couldn't quite figure out.

Democrats tan on their record. People don’t care because their record wasn’t reported. No matter the speeches or facts.

People in this country are flat out IMMUNE to facts. Facts do not matter to the majority of Americans. They’re uneducated, hate the educated and worship at mega churches, adore pro wrestling and listen to idiots with a microphone.

The only thing Americans care about is their fucking fefes. Biden is old- he’s embarrassing me! Kamala is a black woman! I can’t vote for that! Eggs are too high. Gas is too high. I can’t buy a big ass new truck!

Always wahhh waaahhh wasaahhh! I can’t get what I want RIGHT NOW! It’s the Democrats fault! All of the media they consume says so.

[quote]Biden, who was hated, it seems, for reasons I still can't really understand.

It was a sales job by America's most criminal salesman. Democrats never held up Trump to his record, of stealing from his charity, stealing from his fake University...THEY ARE EATING THE DOGS... coordinating an insurrection to topple the government...THE CRIMINALS ARE CROSSING THE BORDER... keeping state secrets illegally... THE PRICE OF EGGS IS THROUGH THE ROOF.

It was all about creating the narrative.

The three tenets of Republicans is:

Keep Americans Stupid.

Keep Americans Sick.

Keep Americans Poor.

And Americans were stuoid enough to reelect Trump.

[quote]Well the problem is that the name at the top of that record was Biden, who was hated, it seems, for reasons I still can't really understand.

I think part of the problem was that the Biden administration didn't acknowledge the hardship of inflation early enough. They were (justifiably) touting the economic recovery and they kept talking about declining inflation even as people were paying 30% more for grocery items that kept shrinking in size. It felt a bit like gaslighting. Biden needed to show people that he "felt their pain" early and repeatedly.

Ultimately, I don't know that it would have made a difference in this very strange election, but I hope future Democratic officeholders take a lesson from this.

Democrats and republicans and all humans know that life is based on brutal, winner-take-all competition. But republicans are able to be honest with themselves and celebrate that brutality, making it their god, reveling in the euphoria of rage. While democrats have to nervously pretend that life is a nice, cheery, pleasant place and that competition is fair, while its clear economically that's not the case. The economy is two stretched to make that lie work anymore. The cognitive dissonance is getting harder and harder to maintain for all people, which is why Trump was 'catharsis' for republicans, while Kamala was 'logically acceptable' for democrats.

[quote]I think part of the problem was that the Biden administration didn't acknowledge the hardship of inflation early enough.

Biden should have gone on TV and said. LISTEN FUCKERS< I SENT YOU TWO TRILLION DOLLARS IN DIRECT STATE AND COUNTY ASSISTANCE.

TWO TRILLION DOLLARS.

What did your states do with all the cash? We see you Iowa, you ultimately went to a regressive flat state tax.

STFU

*the economy is too stretched

Everybody needs to stop over-analyzing the election. Trump won for exactly two reasons. The first being inflation after a global pandemic, which has toppled incumbent governments all over the world for the past 2 years. The second reason is that Trump turns out his base and unlikely voters like no other Republican in decades.

If the economy is poor in 2026 and 28, then Democrats will sweep. Also, Democrats win handily when Trump isn't on the ballot. Good news is that Trump can't run again, and that isn't going to change.

[quote]Trump won for exactly two reasons.

You have not been paying attention if you think it is for only two reasons.

[quote]It was all about creating the narrative.

No it wasn't.

It was all about people comparing their circumstances over the last four years with the previous four years. And they came to their own conclusion.

[quote]But the price of eggs went way up (and then down again) so Harris was in a fix that she couldn't quite figure out.

It's charming that some Democrats think Trump won just because of the price of eggs.

That's how out of touch they are.

> You have not been paying attention if you think it is for only two reasons.

Don’t worry. If we try the same thing that has failed by progressively larger margins over the last three major cycles, it’s sure to eventually work.

Why listen to rank-and-file Democrats in touch with everyday working people? Those people vote against their own interests.

I’m sure that if we double down on the far-left TikTok politics, it will bring us to prominence in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Wisconsin and Michigan.

The thing I don't get is that when people remember the Trump admin, they block out Covid. And don't blame him for it. But when people think about the Biden admin, they don't think about job and wage growth. They think about inflation. And blame him for it.

^^^^You can Thank Fox Fake news for that^^^^

^ Fox News is such a handy excuse.

It is no longer an excuse, it is a foundation of our society's mis and dis information generation and distribution

Fox is both the symptom and the cause of Trump's ascendancy.

^ Trump's ascendancy is the fault of a Democratic party that drifted too far to the left and became harder and harder for many people to relate to.

Aside from MAGA/Fox vilifying the very citizenship of Trans citizens, there has been no drift. Shore up Sociaol Security and Medicare and the big one TAX THE FUCKING RICH>

THAT is what they consider beyond the pale. TAXING THE RICH.

[quote]That's how out of touch they are.

Ok genius - how do you tell people that they shouldn't be mad about the price of eggs because it went down?

What a fucking idiot.

^ "On average, consumer prices in August 2024 were 22.0% above where they were in January 2020" - Pew Research Center OCTOBER 7, 2024

r285, that's like comparing prices before October 1929 and before WW2.

R286 No it's not.

It is IDIOTIC to claim that prices have gone dowe (see post R284) . Prices have not gone down (see post R285).

As to WHY to why prices rose during that time period is certainly debatable, but either way, the public ALWAYS blames the President, no matter who is in power.

If prices rise 22% during the next 4 years, you'll be blaming Trump for sure. That's what we do.

[quote]he public ALWAYS blames the President, no matter who is in power.

Bullshit. It was long before the amalgamation of our food producers and the manipulation of the purchasing public and the labor market.

Now we blame the CAPTALISTS.

(quote)Now we blame the CAPTALISTS.

Only the far left blames the capitalists. In four years, if the prices are still high, the media and Republicans somehow will find a way to blame Biden and even Obama.

[quote]Now we blame the CAPTALISTS.

The majority of American's don't even have the world "capitalist" in their vocabulary.

The President is the fall guy. We blame the President for the country's ills.

It is the opposite of Socialist and is intended by Socialists to keep Capitalism in check.

[quote]If prices rise 22% during the next 4 years, you'll be blaming Trump for sure

No one will. First of all - Trump will go on and on about how he's not to blame. Conservative media (which is most of the media) will echo him. Legacy media will be too scared of bomb threats and SWATting to contradict anyone. People who actually know the truth will feel isolated and insane.

If prices go up, Americans will blame China, immigrants or the Clintons but not Trump.