Taking bets - How long before a bill is introduced to abolish term limits on the Presidency?

January 20, 2025.

That’s not how it works.

You’d have to amend the Constitution. That is not easy.

[quote] That’s not how it works.

[quote] —The Constitution

I wipe my ass with the Constitution!

I doubt he'll make it through another four years.

[quote] You’d have to amend the Constitution. That is not easy.

It's VERY easy when you have the United States Supreme Court and the United States Senate and the United State House of Representatives "rubber stamping" every single edict you set forth.

He not only has all branches of government in his pocket right now, but he also has the money of the richest man in the world behind him, he has the power of the Russian government backing him up, and he has the threat of the MAGA Army to keep the politicians in line.

Anyone who stands in Trump's way will either be voted out of office, or "eliminated" in some other way.

You don't understand how much power this man has right now.

He can do anything he wants to, and nothing can stop him.

Rule of law will cease to exist on January 20, 2025.

Is R3 naive or just completely delusional?

The rules don't apply to Trump, R3. He doesn't have to amend anything.

Courtesy of SCOTUS, HE CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS. What part of that do you not understand?

[quote] It's VERY easy when you have the United States Supreme Court and the United States Senate and the United State House of Representatives "rubber stamping" every single edict you set forth.

You really shouldn’t speak on this. You are woefully ignorant.

Amending the Constitution requires 2/3rds of each house (which Trump does not have) AND ratification by 3/4 of the States. Not going to happen.

There is an alternative which has never been used bypasses the Congress, but still requires 3/4 of the states.

As soon as the new legislature is sworn in, Jan. 3, 2025.

R8 you really haven't been paying attention, have you?

Do you even realize how many "never been done before" actions Trump took from 2017-2021?

Just wait until 2025.

You'll shut your fat know-it-all mouth, as you sit there stunned at what he does.

And I'll be here to remind you.

likely immediately

Getting 2/3 of Congress is impossible. Ditto 3/4 of the states. I will repeat..Trump is a lame duck. The Senate and Supreme Court don’t have much to fear from him. The House is more vulnerable.

Maybe a MAGA bootlicker will intro a bill to amend but it will go nowhere. Why not worry about the shit Trump does now instead of panic about the future?

If Trump is eligible to run again, so is Obama.

If Trump is still alive he'll just run again. Who's going to stop him? The Supreme Court?

There is nothing the Supreme Court can do to erase the 22nd Amendment, nor would it have any inclination to do so.

“ No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.”

You can’t erase an amendment. You have to repeal it.

Well, Justices did erase Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, but they ALL wanted to because it was a mess enforcing it would lead to a crisis with no easy resolution.

R19, that is not exactly true. However, if the Supreme Court were to say the clear and unambiguous Congressional approval and state ratification requirements for a Constitutional amendment did not apply, we will have truly gone to a state of legal anarchy. The USA is over and that is far beyond pearl clutching. One must admit the prohibition against having "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" is a bit vague.

If the Constitution no longer applies and we've accepted that Trump is no longer constrained by it, then why is there even a need to introduce a bill? Just declare it so.

But that's not how it works unless we get rid of the Constitution. And if that's the case, then we face bigger problems than a Trump third term.

[quote]It's VERY easy when you have the United States Supreme Court and the United States Senate and the United State House of Representatives "rubber stamping" every single edict you set forth.

Amendments to the Constitution require a 2/3 majority vote in BOTH houses of Congress AND ratification by 3/4 of the states. The Republicans don't have a 2/3 majority in either house, nor do they hold majorities in 38 state legislatures. How are the Republicans going to make it happen?

R8- yes, but he’ll just stay. Use the military to protect him if need me. He doesn’t need the Constitution to what he wants to do. As it was said, the rules don’t apply to him.

I hope he does. I guarantee the next assassination attempt will be real...and successful.

The rules do apply to him or he would have stayed in the White House in 2020. He could have called in the military to protect him. But unless he can stop the Presidential election in 2028, he is term limited. And the electoral college will pick another President.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment wasn’t rejected for being vague. They took a cue from an incoherent 19th century lower court case that said the language “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article” meant that Congressional action was REQUIRED to give effect to the provision. They took it a step further and said that individual states had no authority to enforce the provision.

In effect, they erased it. Until a future Court overturns their decision or Congress passes legislation to give it force.

He can just do it by executive order. Who’s going to challenge him? The Supreme Court will allow it.

Stop it with the paranoid horror scenarios, OP. What are you, 12?

[quote] He can just do it by executive order. Who’s going to challenge him? The Supreme Court will allow it.

Who is going to challenge him? Almost everyone would. No one would follow his orders. He’d be arrested. The Supreme Court has no reason or possible path to “allow it.”

To accomplish this Trump would have to declare the Constitution void and he’d have to have the military behind him. The result would be civil war.

Trump left the last time, he will leave again. If he survives another four years.

Trump has already reached the height of his political support. He has half the country opposed to begin with. His policies are going to be deeply unpopular. It’s all downhill from here in terms of popularity.

[quote]To accomplish this Trump would have to declare the Constitution void and he’d have to have the military behind him. The result would be civil war.

He already said the Constitution should be terminated. No one cared.

R12, why are you calling Trump a lame duck? A lame duck, is an outgoing president who is just finishing out his term, e.g., Joe Biden at the moment.

R33, he says a lot of dumb shit. That doesn't make it so.

Have you ever taken a civics class, you dumb fuck?

Okay. Run Obama again

Obama couldn't even get black men to show up for Harris. The "we go high when they go low" days are over.

They are both lame ducks. Trump wil have influence on the 2028 electoration but he himself can not run for President again. They'll be new asses for his crew to kiss, The real end for Trump begins in 2026 when the successors make themselves known.

..election..

[quote] He already said the Constitution should be terminated. No one cared.

He didn’t try to actually do it.

I don't really think we need to worry about the Constitution. I think if he wanted to stay or even if Joe wants to stay, he could declare martial law and claim the election was invalid, stop everything.

Trump won't make it for four years.

[quote]It’s all downhill from here in terms of popularity.

I've been hearing this for 10 years.

The more obnoxious and unpresidential Trump is, the more popular he becomes with the MAGAts.

It's a vicious cycle.

[quote] I've been hearing this for 10 years.

It was true in 2016. He was unpopular and was not re-elected. But his grip on the MAGAs remained.

Inflation gave him an advantage in 2024, and most people simply forgot how unpopular he was.

But he will remind them.

I went to my local CVS in NYC and it took an extra 25 minutes because every item I had to buy was under lock and key. And only one worker was available to open all the locked shelves. So 95% of people have to be inconvenienced because 5% of the people who are criminals are no longer prosecuted for shoplifting.

So shit like that made people forget what a clown/asswipe Trump was/is.

R45, Republicans make their own advantages. They don't take advantage. Until we learn and understand how t hey play the game, we will always be losing.

Very specious reasoning, R46.

Because it's Kamala Harris and Joe Biden's fault everything in CVS is under lock and key. BTW I was just in my CVS in the suburbs of Philly and the only thing under lock and key there is the shit meth heads use to get high. You might want to revisit the shithole in which you reside.

And you and others think that Trump will make those locked compartments magically disappear on January 20th, 2025 because Trump will halt all shoplifting. That's only slightly less stupid than voting for Trump because he's "anti-establishment."

[quote]Because it's Kamala Harris and Joe Biden's fault everything in CVS is under lock and key.

Republicans certainly blamed her. I saw these signs everywhere in my area of PA…

Well, if a MAGAt puts a sign up in their yard and proclaims it, it must be true.

Yes, probably. Jesus Christ.

It will be introduced, OP. No question. Some ass-kisser in Congress will do it to curry favor.

And as far as I know Harris never talked about crime much in her campaign. Maybe she could have spent time talking about making shoplifting illegal again but she didn’t. It doesn’t matter if Presidents don’t deal with local crime. It sends a message that people’s concerns are being heard. Maybe that’s why so many NYers actually voted for Trump this time around.

At least half of the Republicans in the House and most of those in Trump's orbit, do not know or understand the Constitution, do not know or understand the role of the House and what can and cannot be done. These people possess a low cunning. They are not intelligent. They a re scheming and evil and there is a vast body of knowledge that totally escapes them.

[quote]It will be introduced, OP. No question

And that’s as far as it would get. There won’t be the 2/3 majority needed to pass it in either house of Congress.

R54, that reminds me of what I used to say about the cocker spaniel I had back in my 20s: "He's dumb, but he's sly."

R53, she only emphasized women's issues.

Wasn't one of the presidents kept in office because of WWII?

No. FDR was elected in 1940 and again in 1944. He died in 1945 and Truman became president for the rest of his term.

FDR was first elected in 1932. He ran for a third term in 1940, before the 22nd Amendment was ratified.

If it passes, Obama can run again.