Why are certain factions of the LGBTQ community so obsessed with “existing?”

Hysteria and hyperbole are their lifeblood.

I EXIST!

Therefore, I AM.

It's another "bullshit Tranny theory" They are trying to give Tranny's a history& they existed 4ever, discovered the world is round-ended the siege at Stonewall by waving his trans wand.

More progressive socialist Trans shit!!

The younger gays who never lived through Stonewall OR the AIDS crisis seems to have to conjure up their own unique traumas for some reason.

They are very annoying to me.

[quote]It's another "bullshit Tranny theory" They are trying to give Tranny's a history& they existed 4ever, discovered the world is round-ended the siege at Stonewall by waving his trans wand.

Don't do drugs, kids.

I would question that there is a faction of that type. I never hear these buzzwords or arguments in real life, only online. So I'm just chalking it off as the usual hyperbole of five posters who want to get a feeling of relevancy.

Lol, OP! Attention I guess. Back when I was a teenager in the 70s, we only talked like that after smoking a little pot.

There is a powerful political movement in this country that wants to say we should not exist or should not “flaunt” our existence. They believe tolerating us is making people turn to sin. “I exist “ is a fuck you to them. Sad that I have to explain that here.

It's "SAD" that you want to explain it at all!! No one cares that you exist, create your own Trans History, stop trying to steal Gay & Lesbian history& make it Queer Trans History.

It was 2 guys who liked to wear women's cloths, use makeup-take drugs, drink and suck cock-get fucked in alleys. They were not 2 queer warriors fighting the good fight for queer rights. They "existed' to have fun-suck cock.

Because homophobia is becoming more socially acceptable. Someone guy submitted a letter to my local newspaper where he ranted about the "alphabet Mafia" and called gay people pedos, child recruiters and perverts. He felt comfortable saying that and they felt comfortable running it.

You're well aware OP that you aren't referring to the LGB part of that. I understand why you're censoring yourself, but it's only certain letters are being crazy like that.

I exist! And I am absolutely not just a crossdresser.

Existing is not a very lofty goal. It’s more like the bare minimum.

If I were trans my name would be Mangela anonymous

And I have a right not to want to co-exist.

Trans are by definition mentally ill, so their histrionic accusal of everyone denying their existence isn't much of a surprise. They live in a constant state of hysteria.

Do you really need this explained to you, OP?

I have tried to empathize. We keep hearing that "non-binary identities are valid" (per Stonewall in the UK), but I can't think of any public-policy context or serious political or legal context in which "non binary" is relevant or has any valid meaning. For example, if 70% of elementary-school teachers in a given country are female and people feel there should be more of a balance because boys tend to perform better with male role models in the classroom, where do non-binary people come into the picture? When considered in this light, the idea of "non-binary" becomes meaningless and frivolous and little more than a "look" or fashion statement. The phenomenon seems like something that was lifted from Tumblr and (more recently) TikTok and instead of seeping into the real world, should have stayed on social media.

Similarly, the trend of stating one's preferred pronouns started on Twitter (now X). Transgender people would, for understandable reasons, include their pronouns in their bios to indicate how they would like to be referred to by others. Cisgender people on Twitter/X sympathetic to the cause subsequently adopted the trend out of solidarity with trans people, so as to "normalize" and promote the use of pronouns. Then, well-meaning HR people brought declared/preferred pronouns from Twitter/X into the workplace, where in some organizations it even became mandatory for employees to state their pronouns in various business situations. Whereas on Twitter/X it made sense, in the "real world" it is just plain silly, because 99% of people are not transgender. This is part of what has unleashed the current backlash: something that belonged strictly on social media has been lifted from its original context, and has stopped making sense to many people, who don't remember (or were never aware of) the original intention. Overreach, if you will.

Because even trannies know that their identity is based upon a lie

Give it a rest OP and manage your own existence which appears to be pretty hard for you to do.

The fact that these notions lend themselves so readily to satire/mockery (identifying as an attack helicopter, etc), complicates things further. At some point, having it basically suggested that how you see yourself is just cosplay or some such is hard to take.

From the other end, though, it's a fair question to ask just how many different rainbow shades everyone else is expected to integrate into their own daily vocabulary.

I think by bringing up the most hackneyed, stale, obvious old man joke about gender identity (helicopter), you prove that it's NOT an easy thing to satire/mock, r22.

If it were easy than you would have come up with ANYTHING but the classic r/onejoke.

OP: there are many people who do, literally, deny that there is such a thing as transgender at all.

R23 Hackneyed, stale, and obvious, exactly. Meaning, easily mocked. Next.

I don’t think it’s really fair to compare gay to nonbinary. As a gay man, I’m not pretending to be something I’m not. People are allowed to have their own opinions as to whether my attraction to other men is immoral or invalid or whatever. But I’ve never claimed to be anything other than what I am - a biological male. That is very different from claiming to be some spectrum of genders that has no basis in biology.

The same is true for the old school transsexuals. They never claimed to be the same as a biological woman. They acknowledged that they were a biological male who wanted to transition and live life as a woman.

“They exist” because then if anyone doubts that transism is real and not a mental illness, they can accuse them of trying to genocide

[quote] It's "SAD" that you want to explain it at all!! No one cares that you exist, create your own Trans History, stop trying to steal Gay & Lesbian history& make it Queer Trans History.

I’m not trans.

"certain factions of the LGBTQ community"

Are they foreign factions? Just curious.

[quote]OP: there are many people who do, literally, deny that there is such a thing as transgender at all.

Uhm...

People like OP are so traumatized by an unusual pronoun or an eccentric gender ID. But they’re totally fine with assaulting the Capitol building and trying to take Congress hostage. “Yeah not a big deal, I’m down with voting for the guy who called for that.”

OP really has his priorities in order.

I don’t think there’s anything particularly gendery about declarations of existence, it’s just rhetorical gassiness. “I AM. And I am going to BE.”

Well I mean homophobes don't think gay people should exist.

r31 teaches us the meaning of a "straw man argument"...

this isn't of importance

When they say "I do not exist to you" they mean you do not see me as I wish to be seen or use the compelled language I demand you use to describe me.

Op, pray for brains.

Not to derail this thread, which will probably be nuked anyway, but I was curious about how the ACLU was responding to Dump's reelection, and in particular, his promise of mass deportations.

I was utterly unsurprised to find this on the landing page of their website: "President-elect Trump’s return demands urgent action. With trans justice, reproductive freedom, and immigrants' rights under threat, your support fuels urgent action now."

Because every human desires to be heard, to feel like they matter. The same reason why you come on to The Data Lounge and bitch about things you don't understand OP.

TRANNY ALERT ^

Why do certain factions of the LGBTQ community believe they get to decide who gets rights and who doesn't?

As long as we're discussing mental illness.

Because we say so r41

Asexuals

[QUOTE] People like OP are so traumatized by an unusual pronoun or an eccentric gender ID. But they’re totally fine with assaulting the Capitol building and trying to take Congress hostage. “Yeah not a big deal, I’m down with voting for the guy who called for that.”

This pitiful pro trans troll posts on every post calling gay men Trump supporters. Just exhausting.

WE’RE NOT GONNA BE IGNORED DAN!!

We prefer to be known as Sartre-sexual.

R31 is exactly what’s wrong with liberals. If you don’t go along with every stupid eccentricity of the far left then you’re an insurrectionist supporter.

I work with many young rainbow people at a crunchy grocery store in a blue state. Fragile and lazy. Us regular old 50-60ish people work harder and smile more. And we come from tough unloving backgrounds. Just my impression.

It's very adolescent: "If you don't agree that I'm a boy who has periods, you're saying I don't even EXIST!" It's similar to "deadname", which sounds like the sort of thing a fourteen-year-old would come up with: "It's not my birthname, it's my DEADNAME!" I cringe so hard when I hear adults talk about the horrors of "deadnaming".

Oh my god do you people ever shut the fuck up about trans people? Jesus, get a hobby, get a life, go outside, log off, do something other than complain about trans people. What a bunch of fucking losers you all are.

Right or wrong -- and I know it's wrong -- I immediately categorize colleagues who adopt "they/them" pronouns as ill-adjusted, self-involved, and immature. I actually had a colleague who switched her pronouns from "she/her" to "she/they" in the middle of a Zoom meeting.

The fact is no one cares about the minutiae of your identity. Really, they don't; and the assumption that they do reveals something deeply unflattering about the person making it. I think this is a lesson most of us learn in our teen years, and definitely by our 20s. (This is why I can give the undergraduates I teach a pass -- we're all entitled to some self-indulgence in our youth.)

TRANNY ALERT at r50

Anyone who announces that they/them are its pronouns should be immediately drafted into the armed services

This OP is the same POS who has a lot of race issues and declared "Let's be honest. We were told we had to love Kamala Harris," among other creepy, sneaky threads.

A real "philosopher" hissing at the poor while bragging how his wonderful life just happened.

And then this asshole OP just gave us this:

[quote]Have you ever dated an N-Word?

Well, right there, OP, when you use factions, you do not see the LGBT+ community as a Civil Rights group but a series of factions of disenfranchised people. Not citizens.

You realize that Trump's MAGA thugs only went after the T+ as it seems that they will let the Supreme Court deal with the LGBs,

When you can make political points going after .6 of the population, a majority of the rest must be idiots.

But who am I, a Democratic Elitist, graduate from Northwestern, with a master's degree in Public Administration who is also, not incidentally, Gay.

For MAGA, I am the critically thinking enemy.

My ilk will not disappear.

R51 What does she/they mean? Does that mean she’s half normal?

I agree about r50, I just don't find it interesting after all the hullaballoo

R55 that wasn’t me.

R56 The LGBT+ community is not a civil rights group. It is a sick joke. “Bowel movement” would be more appropriate. The gay and lesbian community was a civil rights group.

r57 "she/they" and "he/they" is very much a thing. (Although for parallelism, it should probably be "she/them" and "he/them." Who knows -- maybe their pronouns change based on nominative/objective case.)

r60, Ever since I raised a Gay Power protest sign in the 70s, the LGBT+ community has always been a Civil Rights movement.

It is the reason we are so often attacked in the smaller part.

R62 Dude, the LGBT+ community wasn’t a thing in the 70s. There were no “transgender” people. There were a handful of transsexuals who weren’t part of the movement, and then there were crossdressers who were gay men. These crossdressers have since been rebranded as “trans.” If you had actually been there you would know this.

The majority of male "trans" are straight men. In the real world they want nothing to do with gay men.

[quote]You realize that Trump's MAGA thugs only went after the T+ as it seems that they will let the Supreme Court deal with the LGBs

^opinion posing as fact.

Why are “certain LGBTQ+ factions” so OBSESSED with the right to exist?

Surely one of life’s perplexing mysteries ….

R66 Gays aren’t the “faction” being discussed here.

Yes we know, wedge issue queen.

R53. Except we don’t have an active draft—have you been dozing since the end of the Vietnam War?

“They never shut up about their pronouns” meanwhile it’s the umpteenth identical thread of the exact same tired comments complaining about pronouns 😂

Perhaps, they are all existentialists?

There's always an abruptness that seems like overdoing it when a group's visibility increases and some people in it are adjusting to the attention. Folks will calm down & the important part (mutual respect for everyone) will remain.

Women aren't burning their bras anymore, and I haven't seen 'Ms.' as a courtesy title in forever. It had to go there, though.

The right wants to pretend LGBT doesn’t exist and is erasing it from schools, libraries, etc

The point of human existence is to survive.

But not seek attention by dying your hair purple and pretending to be a gay man even though you are fat woman with an untouched rancid pussy r74

It’s pure narcissism, nothing more and nothing less

But the Gay Communiity is.

r69, except the military entrance examination, would be mandatory in Project 2025 for all of who are in a school that receives public funding.

One step from mandatory conscription.

[quote] Women aren't burning their bras anymore, and I haven't seen 'Ms.' as a courtesy title in forever. It had to go there, though.

How on earth have you avoided seeing Ms? I can’t recall the last time I saw anything else.

Woman aren’t burning bras because they now feel feee not to wear them.

[Quote] But not seek attention by dying your hair purple and pretending to be a gay man even though you are fat woman with an untouched rancid pussy [R74]

The problem is not the person with purple hair. It’s the people who get offended by that somehow. Mind your own business

R66 Matt Walsh has his own take on what happened to Matthew Shepard.

"Why are those filthy Jews so hellbent on denying good Germans the right to exist?"

Their babies have lost their flavor?

Are we still prone to this kind of evil bullshit?

Oopsie, the newest documentary let out some things...

[quote]This pitiful pro trans troll posts on every post calling gay men Trump supporters. Just exhausting.

It’s just some tiny dicked narcissist. Grain of salt.

[QUOTE] “They never shut up about their pronouns” meanwhile it’s the umpteenth identical thread of the exact same tired comments complaining about pronouns

And everyone on the thread is ignoring you, as usual. Don't you get tired? You're one voice in the wilderness here. Maybe try Tiktok if you want to talk to trans fans.

R86 you know what I say is true. And who gives a fuck about these threads, they’re always deleted, everyone is sick of your griping, nobody in real life gives a fuck about this, you’re a bunch of loser incels telling each other “they’re mentally ill” about a group of people none of you really know anything about. The projection is something to behold. You select a small group of trans or non-binary people that post on twitter or TikTok and then call the wider groups narcissists, thinking you’re making some sort of cogent point, when the common denominator of almost every person that posts online is narcissism. It’s embarrassingly stupid. And tomorrow you’ll get up and rinse and repeat. Get a life.

Honestly I don’t want to expend my waning brain cells on non-binary validity.

Note that "existing" in this context is about being recognized by society at large as being a legitimate type or person rather than just someone play-acting for attention. This isn't about the right to not be beaten and murdered - presumably everyone wants that.

Little know fact-- Dwight D. Eisenhower was a trans.

[QUOTE] And who gives a fuck about these threads, they’re always deleted

Well, you care passionately because you spend all your time monitoring them and raging on them. And it hasn't been deleted, so fuck you. Maybe adjust your hormones because you sound like a crazy bitch.

I exist and I never found no book about me in some damn library. I’ll use a double negative whenever I want. After all, I EXIST!

Repeat after me: during the AIDS epidemic it was the LESBIANS that took care of the gay men

Repeat after me: it was CROSS DRESSERS at Stonewall, not god damn trans people.

Trans people existed, but they did not mold the gay liberation fight

[quote]Trans people existed, but they did not mold the gay liberation fight

Of course not. They were too busy smoking crack and selling their bootyholes to buy more crack and eventually pay for a neo-snatch from which shit would slip out.

I feel like the people who shout about authenticity are as authentic as a hard shell taco. There is a lot of manufacturing of identity under this tent. Some of it is trying to find oneself, and other times it’s fear of being alone.

R95 It’s the exact same concept as what you see in the corporate world. Those who yammer on about how wonderful they are - aren’t.

R96 Then you try to put those two worlds together. Oh deer.

A lot of Gen X are Tumblr Trans only and will remain that way.

^You mean Gen Z

Damn yes. I meant Gen Z, the snowflake generation who are all trans and demi sexual.

R72 nearly all the women I work with are "Ms".

R87 all the trans and enbies I know in real life are also extremely mentally ill. It's not just something that happens online

Biological women hate their guts. They know they are being mocked by the T Community. Kamala lost for many reasons but certainly this issue was one of them.

[QUOTE] all the trans and enbies I know in real life are also extremely mentally ill.

Who can forget DL's very own Bunnika? An obese enby married to two men and a woman, asexual, into wheelchair yoga but could stand and walk about. She set up a Go Fund Me so that she and her third partner could honeymoon at a food festival. Whilst bleating about being in constant pain and having no money, she got another dog, gave away a cat, then insisted she was a man even though her boobs were 50H.

^ That sounds like a fun prompt for ChatGPT stories.

“ It sounds like you’re referencing a particularly colorful and dramatic character or anecdote. The way this is written suggests it’s either a satirical or exaggerated story that might be part of an online community, like a forum or social media thread. Could you clarify if this is a real-life person, a meme, or a recurring archetype within a specific group? It would help me provide a more tailored response!”

There’s a naive dumbness going on in this thread.

Trump will be the president, the House of Representatives will be red, and the Senate will be red all before the end of January….

But OP still thinks Non-Binary people, queer people, transgenders and other gays are just the problem she/he should be concerned about…

OP must be one of them Political lesbians thinking she belongs in the LGBTTQ community…

HEY OP, GO FUCK YOURSELF and your crack pipe.

R91 I don’t really care. I spend less time on this website now because the standard of commenter has dropped so much since the arrival of the anti trans trolls. I just like to sometimes remind you all that you are braindead losers. This thread has a high likelihood of being deleted, along with countless others blaming trans people for the loss of the election (definitively untrue) that were deleted.

The crazed trans woman at R108 is soooo desperate for this thread to be deleted! Not happening, hun.

R109 I’m not trans and I don’t care either way if this thread is deleted or not, I said that they are very regularly deleted, which is true. None of you people are able to read properly 😂

It’s better than being obsessed with dying

Their only posts are on this thread, R109. Nothing to contribute.

R112 none of you know how to use this website either 😂 I’m not explaining to you how ignoredar works but you should really learn before you make a fool of yourself out loud again. I’ve posted on this website for years.

NOW we are allowed to talk about the T Community again. Thank You DL. It's a win-win situation. They WANT us to talk about them, because that's what attention whores thrive on. They got us 4 years of Trump. They deserve to be discussed.

OP needs to try "not existing" if she pretends to wonder why marginalized people are "obsessed" about existing.

Get real R115. People who make up gender identities aren’t “marginalized.” They’re insufferable.

Then you havent posted anything else recently R113. You know it doesn’t show the old stuff.

R117 le sigh. It shows comments that you have both left on threads on which you have both mutually commented. We obviously do not frequent the same threads. Seriously you could at least learn how this website works before you go off embarrassing yourself. I have posted recently on other threads, for instance the lesbian gift giving thread the other day. Which you obviously did not comment on. See how it works now? Let’s see if you’ll be able to acknowledge your mistake. I won’t hold my breath 😂

Fuck off, idiot R114 what got you Trump was your log cabin pals and the insufferable idiotic TERF fraus coming to this website to claim they’re feminists while being rightwingers, transgenders VOTED CORRECTLY as they voted for Kamala Harris and voted to protect YOUR rights too, dumbfuck. Unlike you, who probably voted for somebody else who isn’t Kamala.

👆 Now it’s time for lefties losing it!

The existence of trans would be a lot easier to deal with if we weren't hearing about it every 5 minutes.

R119 wears a dress. 47 years old. Pink hair with purple stripes. Demands everyone call him 'mam. Wants biological men to compete against women in the Winter Olympics.............Good luck with President Orange Loony Toons.

I think there used to be a crazed trans moderator but they've recently moved on.

To R118...."le Sigh"-Were you watching Pepe Le Pew cartoon on MeTv when you typed the comment!!

I LOVE THAT, Thank You!! You made me laugh this morning, packing for my visit to Wash DC-go to cause trouble at the DNC.

It should be FUN!!

R122 wears no dress, wears nothing that’s presentable, reeks of meth, has several teeth missing and thinks that republicans love him.

Voted MAGA at the age of 62 because he never stopped being an inbred racist.

Is obsessed about trans because he easily falls for the trap of Right-wing propaganda, it must be the fact that he’ll always be a boy from Wyoming.

Hysterical macho tranny ^

^^^^^^^

Predictable crack pipe log cabin queen.

[quote]This isn't about the right to not be beaten and murdered - presumably everyone wants that.

Do they though?

Let's just say that reading through this thread I have my doubts.

[quote]The existence of trans would be a lot easier to deal with if we weren't hearing about it every 5 minutes.

And whose fault is that exactly?

It ain't people in the supportive-to-neutral range carpet-bombing this board with transphobic posts.

If trans people were shitposting here with the same numbing frequency I'd understand.

They're not.

I blocked 3 fat chicks with beards on Scruff today and the work day is not even over yet.

Trannies are the reason that Kamala lost

If anyone believes the Tranz had nothing to do with Kamala losing, then you ignored this, and a couple of other dozen things Kamala was embracing in the last month of the campaign. [bold] This REALLY happened.. [/bold]

I think R119 IS Bunnika!

This is just the kind of thing she'd do - patrol all the trans threads on DL defending her own kind and telling gay men that they're Nazis!

Fuck off back to Tumblr.

This actually happened..... You cannot make this up. He really should google Trump.

Reporter = "How are you feeling at this moment in time?"

Dylan = I feel scared and hopeful and a little reckless but um [bold] sexy and fun. [/bold]

Ugly