Harris Campaign Adviser: Our Internal Polls Had Us Losing the Whole Time

Yes, already a thread, dumbass

I knew it. I fucking knew it. I fucking love you for life KH but I knew it. There was a dramatic shift in the unprecedented amount of celeb concerts. Nothing would stick. The media essentially made Trump into a a crazy but loveable soap opera.

Exurb America simply does not trust the media and doesn’t watch that shit. People say rural, not it’s not just rural. It’s the exurbs of Detroit, Philly, Pittsburgh, Phoenix. They are mostly white and not a bunch of bottom feeders. A good portion is college educated or highly skilled trade jobs. We must do something to change this culture.

I feel truly sorry for all the fools who trusted the fake polls and spent the last 3 months yelling, "Yay, go Kamala!" She was DOA. Hopefully this is a lesson learnt.

Taylor Swift and Beyonce aren't as popular or influential as the media likes to shove down our throats.

For one thing the damn electoral votes are not in true ratio to state population. Not in true mathematical relation. Lower and mid populated states are overcompensated.

SWIFT/BEYONCE 2028 !!!!

Harris succeeded in saving many down ballot Senate races which would have been lost had Biden stayed on the ticket.

Unfortunately, she accepted the role of the sacrificial lamb. Nobody from the administration was going to win this election. Even I was furious yesterday after I saw the small little quarts of ice cream were almost $5.

Those little ice creams like the ones in Pelosi’s house, R8? She hasn’t noticed the prices….

True patriots that hold the ideals of democracy voted for her and she campaigned like a champ. Spreading the message of joy and hope keeps the ideal alive and worth fighting for. I am thankful for the honorable Dems in this filthy world of maga.

Can r1 or someone link the original thread

Kamala won. The election was rigged. Trump said so himself days before. "We don't need the votes".

The shock felt by any other country watching us wasn't the fact that Trump won, but that he was allowed to run at all!!

"Even I was furious yesterday after I saw the small little quarts of ice cream were almost $5."

Sweetie, that's the least of your god damned problems. In four years, the quart of ice cream will cost you $25.00 AND your personal freedoms will have been dramatically curtailed, your access to health insurance and health care will be completely shut off, and the social safety net will be completely dismembered and thrown on the ash heap of history.

In 2028, you'll wish to God you had that $5.00 quart of ice cream.

I never liked her and had no other option.

[quote]Even I was furious yesterday after I saw the small little quarts of ice cream were almost $5.

You type fat.

The Vice President said that she was the underdog in almost every campaign event.

Philly really disappointed me. Lots of people voted, and I knew a lot of people who canvased in Philly, but fewer voted than last time

[QUOTE]The Vice President said that she was the underdog in almost every campaign event.

Why were the public polls so different?

Weren't all the public polls within the margin of error?

This is what I’m pissed at because I was led to believe that her internals were more accurate and had her in the lead.

Many of the results were within the MoE, yes. The popular vote certainly was. I think the outliers were places like Iowa, Florida and Texas, where Trump won much larger-than-expected shares of the vote.

If anyone dared to comment that polls weren’t that great for her they were called Boris or a troll. The battleground states were in the margin of error and Trump had the mojo.

[quote] I never liked her and had no other option.

Poor thing, did the Dems hold you at gunpoint?

It's strange that all the swing states just barely made the 5% so no recount would be allowed for the POTUS votes. 7 states all the same.

I don't care whether Harris was a flawed candidate or that people did not like or or that she failed to articulate a message...We all knew the alternative. She was the only sane choice.

In all those battleground states...ichigan with its large Arab-American population...a bunch of fools. Do they really think that buffoon is going to put a brake on Netanyahu?

Wait until the trade wars set in and the tariffs raise prices even more. Wait until the Republicans kill Obamacare. We will hear these fools grind and gnash their teeth then.

R25, some people make it so complicated. I really want all these journalists and tv stations to interview the Arabs and Muslims in America--especially Dearborn--that voted for Trump once he escalates things in Palestine. The looks on their faces will be priceless. For the record, I am probably more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause than most on here but they are horrible at this whole "politics" thing.

If they knew she was going to lose the whole time and then let Biden sit there and do nothing from a presidential point of view to help curtail the damage the 2nd Trump Administration is going to do, then I'm not sure why we're still supporting the Dems. We're on our own.

[quote]Kamala won. The election was rigged.

Kamala's polls showed that she was losing to Trump the entire campaign, but you're convinced she only lost because of "rigging"?

R17 Law enforcement was coming. I scared them away.

One things for sure, Dems need to throw respectability politics out the window. Just get igrant. Yes as my great aunt would say, IGRANT. You have to take it there with these cunts. You have an entire American populace who grew up on Dynasty and they chirren on Love & Hip-Hop. When Trump was talkin that yip yap about Kamala having not received not one primary vote, she should have responded a such:

“Well bitch why did you donate to my campaign when I was running for office in California. Because you know I’m the shit. You talking about old shit. We are talking about NOW. I’m the nominee now and your lying ass never built that wall that you promised the American people”.

[QUOTE] If they knew she was going to lose the whole time and then let Biden sit there and do nothing from a presidential point of view to help curtail the damage the 2nd Trump Administration is going to do, then I'm not sure why we're still supporting the Dems. We're on our own.

Yes, it feels like we’ve been had.

R31 It’s not that simple. They just knew their polls were way tighter or behind then all the mainstream non internal polls. There is nothing they could do. There was a billion dollars at stake that they just couldn’t give to another candidate. Kamala put up a good fight and she did it with integrity. Fuck Dump. We will rise against this maniac and rebuild the pieces once he fucks everything up.

They knew they were going to lose the whole time, yet they kept siphoning up our donations in emails and texts making it seem like they were on the road to victory. It was all for nothing.

I think it's safe to say that an organism such as R8 has moved way, way beyond homeostasis when it's main complaint in life is that ice cream is $5q/quart.

I don’t know what’s worse: losing or coming to the realization that you never had a chance to win.

R33 Not only that but they still begging 😂. I said what I said.

The DNC cares about Millions of dollars not Millions of votes.

R22 is spot on. We can't really have honest political discussion without attacking each other, especially on DL. As soon as anyone mentions anything outside of standard liberal/neoliberal talking points, whether it's left-leaning or right-leaning, they get either ridiculed or ignored. I'm sure it's due to good old profit-seeking.

Why is internal polling any more accurate than other polling?

They need our money because the dirty money is endless. This struggle has been preordained since that treason court allowed dark money in. The bad guys are ruling and although pathetic, doing their best to allow their simpleton greed and aspirations to win. We need to never lose hope that the super friends will defeat the legion of doom. Lately I wonder if our childhood cartoons were a way to give good people hope and a path. Unfortunately many want to be evil. This has been the struggle throughout time. unfortunately it's happening in our lifetime.

[quote]Our Internal Polls Had Us Losing the Whole Time

That is not what any of them said in that 90-minute long podcast, that was the duplicitous framing by the Murdoch rag you pulled the quote from OP.

Back in those Polling Threads, those who even expressed any doubt (about Harris beating Trump) were called MAGA and Boris, and were even blocked from posting.

I knew something wasn't right when she was caught on a hot mic telling Gretchen Whitmer that they needed to improve with male voters. The campaign always knew that they were going to have a hard time getting enough men to vote for her.

R42, I remember, and I also remember that anyone who questioned Biden's mental status, or fitness to run, were called Boris and MAGAT and greyed out -- if the thread wasn't deleted outright.

Biden was "sharp as a tack" and any mumbling or wandering was just his famous stutter. And this persisted until the day of the debate.

Can anyone explain this pathetic bitch??

I got banned a couple times for saying Biden was in cognitive decline. My uncle, who is exactly the same age, has dementia and I recognized it immediately.

R45, while we're at it, someone explain Alan Lichtman and his idiotic keys. And explain that stupid fuckin' shag carpet on his head too.

Lots of pundits got it totally wrong: Selzer, Lichtman, Carville, Stuart Stevens, Matthew Dowd, Simon Rosenberg, Jon Ralston.

Also, the size of rallies and money raised meant nothing this year. There didn't seem to be any enthusiasm around the Trump campaign, but somehow he won.

Is it just me or is David Plouffe incredibly sexy?

The Harris campaign was a scam.

I’m sympathetic with some of the points like the abbreviated schedule but they keep dancing around the primary issue: she doesn’t have any political talent and isn’t good at connecting with regular people/voters.

[quote] I remember, and I also remember that anyone who questioned Biden's mental status, or fitness to run, were called Boris and MAGAT and greyed out -- if the thread wasn't deleted outright.

Same thing happened to me when I said that this country would never elect a black woman.

And guess what? I was RIGHT.

[Quote] I got banned a couple times for saying Biden was in cognitive decline.

Good. I’m sure you’re used to it though, fat snout. Being banned for you is like waking up in the morning for the rest of us.

What happened on your beloved MAGA forums when people complained that Trump is a liar? Banned at the speed of light. And Biden isn’t in cognitive decline, but Trump is a liar.

R46 Biden is fine. He sends his regards.

If you were able to magically block out Defacto and his socks from this thread, there would be three posts left.

r53 you are definitely part of the problem. I hate Trump. I wish he weren't president. I held my nose and voted for Kamala.

I am not a black and white thinker. It was very obvious that Biden was in cognitive decline, he was basically a clone of my dementia-addled uncle who is exactly the same age as Biden. It's called living in the real world. The Republicans are awful, but Democrats have major issues and are not connecting with many Americans when they should be.

And "fat snout" makes you sound retarded.

And this Defacto boogeyman you're obsessed with probably hasn't posted on DL in years, who knows if he's even still alive. If he is, maybe he's hiding under your bed. Have you checked there?

Why do Dataloungers think a month after the election that finger pointing is somehow going to change the results of the election?

Stop whining about the past and try to figure out ways to beat Trump now and in the future.

You’re a liar, r56 and we all know it so save your horseshit for your solo trips into the rust belt and give us the readers digest version.

Props for the audacity of saying I’M “part of the problem, though. Yeah, you “hate Trump,” but you were all over the board saying Biden is in cognitive decline just like a MAGAt.

76 million vs 73.5 million. She did pretty good.

To R26, wait until the Terrorists in Dearborn Michigan see what dtrump does to Gaza after 01/20.25.

I can't wait until all those Yemen refugees in Michigan get sent back home, plus all the other Arabs in Dearborn.

You voted for dtrump, you think he cares...You fucked around& you're gonna get got-Buh-Bye

[quote] but you were all over the board saying Biden is in cognitive decline just like a MAGAt.

Because he WAS YOU FUCKWIT. An 80 year old man in mental decline should not have been running for president. And of course neither should Trump, but that's a whole other story.

Biden should not have sought re-election, and the pussy Democrats should've told him he wasn't running. There should've been a primary to choose a candidate. But Biden's ego and hubris and Demcratic leadershit doing nothing is a huge part of the problem.

Are you fucking retarded.

[QUOTE] Why do Dataloungers think a month after the election that finger pointing is somehow going to change the results of the election? Stop whining about the past and try to figure out ways to beat Trump now and in the future.

Easier said than done, R57. I was with you until I read that shocking headline, which is why I had to make this thread. I actually thought she had a chance of winning. What exactly are we supposed to use to measure the best policies to win over Americans if we can’t even rely on the polls?

[quote] What exactly are we supposed to use to measure the best policies to win over Americans if we can’t even rely on the polls?

I always told myself that the republican party was out of touch with the American people. I have come to realize that it is me who is out of touch with the American people.

It isn’t that complicated if you aren’t afraid of slaying some progressive sacred cows.

Enough voters don’t want millions of undocumented immigrants streaming over the border, and they don’t want men with hairy nutsacks in women’s bathrooms. They don’t want boys with male physiques competing against girls in sports and for scholarships. They don’t want their kindergartener exposed to gender dogma at school. They are sick of endless diversity trainings at work, and they want police to be supported so they feel safer. They want shoplifters prosecuted and sentenced.

They want the fabric of society intact.

Only Republicans would even allow those wishes to be spoken out loud, and voters responded.

Biden and his inner circle may have ratfucked this election by not allowing a primary, but it was always going to be an uphill battle. Adding to the culture war issues above, the incumbent, rightly or wrongly, also has to answer to inflation, the housing crisis, and the wars in Ukraine and Palestine. When Harris went on the hyper-friendly The View and said she wouldn’t do anything different from Biden, many undecided voters lost faith that any change might lie ahead. And Harris passed on Rogan, which had easily the biggest bloc of wavering voters on any platform, mostly because her team threw a hissy fit about him being anti-progressive.

Well, he is, just like an increasing number of voters from every fucking demographic in the nation.

Democrats should have waltzed to victory after holding a primary and explicitly stating a movement away from the puritanical progressive excess of the past decade. Instead, they simply left all it out of their platforms, thinking voters wouldn’t remember what was happening right up to campaign season, relying instead on celebrity endorsements, not catching that the culture has shifted, and people resent elites now more than respect them.

Since the loss, I keep reading here and elsewhere (and from Sharon fucking Stone) that Americans are too dimwitted, uncultured, and uneducated to make a sensible choice, echoing HRC’s deplorables comment and Biden’s garbage pronouncement. Lo and behold, insulting the voters doesn’t draw them into the fold.

I know. I am from a dying, Midwest blue collar factory town. I know the people there are not evil or stupid, well, most of them, anyway. But they know only too well that this is how they’re painted. It’s been Jon Stewart’s shtick for years and years. Now it’s a sad and desperate Colbert trying to carry that torch before dwindling and increasingly disinterested audiences.

We can bemoan the absolute chaos that doubtlessly lies ahead with a Trump administration and spend days offering up “what abouts” to prove he’s worse, but none of that changes the results: a loss of the popular vote for the presidency as well as control of both the Senate and the House. Not really a landslide, but quite decisive nonetheless.

Unlike most posters here, I don’t blame the American electorate. This time, Democrats got the results they deserved. Now we all have to pay for it.

R64: Shut the fuck up.

r63

Ok, I love a hairy nutsack teabagging in and out of my mouth.

[quote]And Harris passed on Rogan, which had easily the biggest bloc of wavering voters on any platform, mostly because her team threw a hissy fit about him being anti-progressive.

It's a Joe Rogan world now, unfortunately. If you're running for office, you have to talk to him.

Legacy media is dead. Oprah organizing a big rally with celebrities like it's the fucking 1990s is no longer relevant. It's a relic. Nobody gives a fuck about Oprah anymore. Most people under 40 don't even really know who she is.

R59 is one of those folks that thinks Beto or Stacy Abrams should run in 2028 because they got close enough

[QUOTE] I always told myself that the republican party was out of touch with the American people. I have come to realize that it is me who is out of touch with the American people.

Yeah, I honestly don’t know what the hell Americans want anymore.

[quote]the people there are not evil or stupid,

Magats are either or and often both nasty and stupid. I've yet to meet one who is kind *and* intelligent.

Not entirely true R67. Kamala's convention speech was overshadowed by rumors of a Beyonce and Taylor Swift joint appearance. It certainly generated more tweets. That should have been a signal to stop right there, but it wasn't.

The problem was that the more and more people saw of Kamala, the less they were enthused with her. And Walz's VP debate was a dud. At some point, the celebrities were overshadowing the candidate.

[quote] Unlike most posters here, I don’t blame the American electorate

You should blame them. The American people are rotting from the inside out. They voted for a man who instigated a coup against this country. I understand concerns about inflation, immigration, etc. but what's the point of worrying about any of that if the call is coming from inside the home? This asshole, Donald Trump, wants to ruin this country. The voters stupidly voted for a man promising to fight inflation with tariffs. They voted for someone who is ok with giving away confidential documents. They voted for someone who is against this country. I understand why voters were swindled in 2016 but there is simply no excuse now after two elections with him (now three). Democrats absolutely need to shun the progressive wing, I have said that for years. I still laugh at the thought of Elizabeth Warren bragging about how progressive she was in 2020 and how she was going to elect a trans person to her administration. But the Republicans--especially Trump--are not the answer. Anyone who thinks they are is in for a rude awakening.

I went to Kamala's rally in Greensboro. It was packed and loud and for Kamala, not some star.

Warren was going to make a trans person the head of the Department of Education! Don’t forget that important detail.

You can't shut the progressive wing out of the Democrats ffs

R74, WTF??? Are you serious? Wow. Well, maybe it would be a "trans" person instead of a trans person. You know, like how she's a "Native American", not Native American.

R74, she also said something about Sylvia Rivera but I don't even remember. But I DO remember being irritated while laughing.

[quote]Warren was going to make a trans person the head of the Department of Education! Don’t forget that important detail.

NOOO! She said that a Trans CHILD was going to CHOOSE the Secretary of Education. Please get these facts straight. Trannies are literally being murdered every second here in America.

Sounds like a bit of a cop out: "Oh, it's just so hard for Dems to win those battleground states!"

Weirdly, we did it in 92 and 96 and in 90 we won WI, MI, and PA. And, then in 08, 12, and 20.

Soooooooo....yeah, it's hard but if you run good campaigns with good candidates who excite the voters....

The political environment was drastically differnet in the 90s, Blue Dog dems were a big deal back then. Not so anymore. I'm not saying we can't still win those states. But with how blue states are losing population, I think the deck is stacked against the Dems even more than it already was.

There is a lot of handwringing because she only lost by 2 million votes and only 200K between the swing states but the democrats must do something about the swing states because they are going to present a constant problem and let’s be real, the swing states affect how we campaign. They have to do something culturally about exurban America because even some blacks and Hispanics are starting to jump ship. And cost of living is forcing many of them to live there as well.

R75: These assholes saying that are using the loss as their attempt to purge the party. No Democrat campaigned on trans rights, but the press hates trans people, so they blame them and the idiot bigots on this site drop their panties at the thought of blaming a group they hate. The press has decided that any person on social media who says something extreme is the voice of all Democrats, while no extremist EVER speaks for Republicans.

"Droping the trans" will never fix that issue. Not to mention the morality of it all. It's only trolls or miserable assholes who say we need to do this and somehow, we'll magically win. Ignore them.

R78, that's even weirder. Why would a child choose someone for Department of Education? So odd.

R81, another issue is that the solidly blue states may continue going red and they may no longer really be solidly blue. And blue states continue to lose population which means the current path to victory in the electoral college won't cut it moving forward.

[quote]Oh, it's just so hard for Dems to win those battleground states!

Okay Hillary.

R79 here and of course I mean 2000 not 90 when Dems won those states.

My bad.

[quote][R78], that's even weirder. Why would a child choose someone for Department of Education? So odd.

It was going to be this child, specifically...

R86, I just looked at Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Minnesota results from the 2012 presidential election. It looks like things were starting to change at that point. Obama won those states but not by overwhelming margins (it was 8 points or less for those states). And we know what happened in 2016. In 2020, a plurality of Americans were genuinely afraid of a second Trump term. But now, after 4 years of Biden, Americans think that the threat of a second Trump term was overstated and they are more irritated by inflation, immigration and trans issues than they are by the thought of America's downfall.

R87, I really hope Warren paid that kid off. That was so pathetic.

[QUOTE] But now, after 4 years of Biden, Americans think that the threat of a second Trump term was overstated and they are more irritated by inflation, immigration and trans issues than they are by the thought of America's downfall.

And that makes absolutely zero sense, R88.

Don't forget the disinformation. that allowed decent good people to overlook a failed business man, 6 times bankrupt, rapist, liar, 3x married with a mail order bride, traitor to win. I'll never understand. But don't forget, disinformation is psychological warfare and I think that's so difficult to grasp. Dems wouldn't go there because we are the party of decency. How do you fight that? Do we start our own psycho warfare? We are the gays and are savy enough to manipulate anyone. Maybe we need Murial to help us with this

I blame Jill Biden (and Hunter, also). She was the only one who could have told Joe Biden he should not run for a second term, but take his victory lap and actually hand off to the next generation. And then there would be a primary. But she didn't.

You know what? if this shit is true about the polling, I love Kamala Harris even more. She knew, and she fought like hell, and campaigned her ass off. She worked harder than any candidate I ever saw. She has courage, and steel in her spine and I just love her. After Biden's endorsement, five minutes after he announced he quit, and she ran with it. Odds stacked against her a shortened time to campaign, man they really gave her shit to work with. She was put in a terrible position and she made the best of it. She never faltered. And yes, she energized us and mobilized us and a lot of down ballot races succeeded because of her. The grace, the poise, the energy and the joy she transmitted, she gave is hope and showed us how to fight even when everything was working against you. If she ever runs for anything, including President, I will definitely be on board. The woman is absolutely amazing.

[quote]Don't forget the disinformation. that allowed decent good people to overlook a failed business man, 6 times bankrupt, rapist, liar, 3x married with a mail order bride, traitor to win. I'll never understand. But don't forget, disinformation is psychological warfare and I think that's so difficult to grasp. Dems wouldn't go there because we are the party of decency. How do you fight that?

What GOP "disinformation" was enough to sway voters?

Did you ever consider that people may have judged their own circumstances over the past 4 years, with the previous 4 years, and came to their own conclusions about what worked better for them?

[quote]She knew, and she fought like hell, and campaigned her ass off.

No she didn't.

She spent the first 2 months avoiding the press and decided to run on "joy" and goofy memes.

OMG r78, you are right! The whole thing was so pandering that after I lost all respect for Warren, I kind of blanked out.

R94 "What GOP disinnformation?"

Uh, what about "they're eating the dogs and cats"?

The GOP has run on "oh, those evil Mexicans/Latins/non white foreigners are ruining our country" and "those evil transies are indoctrinating our kids!" for several years now.

R90 Uh, what about that makes "no sense"?

That's pretty much the Republican platform for 24: inflation and the economy/evil immigrants ruining our great country/the trans agenda is snatching our kids.

A smart woman like Warren couldn’t tell the kid she would fight for all children. Just like Harris couldn’t find one thing she would have done differently than Biden. I truly don’t get it.

[quote]Uh, what about "they're eating the dogs and cats"?

Are you dumb enough to think THAT swayed voters? It was immediately ridiculed every where.

[quote]The GOP has run on "oh, those evil Mexicans/Latins/non white foreigners are ruining our country" and "those evil transies are indoctrinating our kids!" for several years now.

Your attempt to trivialize the real problems of an out of control border do not work.

And I know you're fine with men invading women's spaces, but whether you like it or not, most Americans aren't.

Actually r88, that sounds like there is a lot of volatility based on random bullshit every four years. By that token, in 2028 it's just as likely that swing states will all be back to voting, slightly, for Democrats. It's not like Trump isn't going to do a lot of stupid, obnoxious shit in the next four years.

[quote]That's pretty much the Republican platform for 24: inflation and the economy/evil immigrants ruining our great country/the trans agenda is snatching our kids.

And the Democrat platform for too long was to downplay the economy/border crisis and issues like men playing in women's sports.

The Democrat's strategy did not work.

Exactly, R98. They kept it simple and saturated the media all media with distortions lies, fear tactics, and bullshit built on those two themes. Without Elon Musk and his very timely $100 Million and his GOTV operation and Starlink they would not have won. Kamala was awesome.

Haha ha.

We're liars! Feel the joy!

R100 Go home Trumper.

R90 It only makes zero sense if you're a Lefty. Apparently to the majority of the country it does make sense, even if we can't see it. The idea that people who voted for Trump are idiots and have no ability to discern right from wrong ignores the experience they had over the last four years, and that isn't just buying all the GOP bullshit about trans bathrooms and illegal immigrants. A lot of people that had a hard time making ends meet decided that was enough, they didn't care about democracy and morals which, lets face it, are values that are easier to uphold when you make a good living and have stability in your life. I know people who were working three jobs to keep up. I can't blame them for wanting something different. I don't think they were necessarily voting for Trump the man as much as they were voting to get rid of the current government.

People a re just stupid. Like seriously stupid.

Yes, r106, then they threw grandma in the truck and headed out, leaving the dustbowl behind them.

By the way, are those people with three jobs the same people who decided a week after the election that in fact everything is awesome, now that the Lizard King has been re-anointed?

R108 I'm sure your sarcasm will win us a lot of sympathizers on the next election cycle.

This was a VERY close election. I think it's a mistake to start tearing down the Democratic party, its ideals, its values, based upon this election. First of all, the most representative body in Washington DC is the House of representatives. It is not overly weighted to the power of rural states as is the Senate and the White House (via the electoral college). And there was virtually NO change there - in fact, it appears that the Republicans may have lost a seat or two.

I see several almost insurmountable problems that we were facing this year:

A. The incumbent president is always going to be blamed for economic problems during his term, whether or not he had anything to do with them. During Biden's term, the stock market soared, unemployment declined, and many aspects of the economy were in great shape, but foremost in many voters' minds was inflation. They felt the impact of that in their weekly shopping, and in the decline of their purchasing power, which eroded the gains many made during the time through pay raises

B. Biden withdrew his nomination too late. While I and most diehard progressive voters would have voted for him no matter what, we all felt incredible concern for him. His age-related fragility and physical/mental decline were evident in every public appearance. I think most people have forgotten that we were ALL worried and depressed about the upcoming election LONG before Harris was in the picture. The problem is that we got too hopeful after he was out of the picture

C. The Republicans have the power of individual and corporate money behind them, and they have used that money to infiltrate and take advantage of social media. The newspapers are a dying media source, as are magazines. News channels are likewise losing relevance. When we read that 50% of Americans get the majority of their news information from social platforms and from "influencers", is it any wonder that arguments made on the basis of facts are a losing proposition?

D. The courts and especially the Supreme Court threw enormous wrenches into the substantial legal cases mounted against Trump. Had those cases been initiated earlier and convictions and sentences been in place a year or so ago, the odds are good that Trump would not have succeeded. It's very discouraging that the rule of law is no longer a guiding principle of the country, but sometimes we have to accept reality and move on.

We really have no idea what will win in 2028, or even 2026. For one thing, we will be out of power and the Trump Administration is on course to be batshit crazy. That alone may be the key. In addition, I suspect Trump will actually have implemented mass deportations, or at least begun them seriously, and the reaction to that may be very mixed. Not sure about that.

In addition, the whole inflation thing will have magically evaporated from all media, wished into the cornfield and a forbidden topic on all the rightwing outlets once Trump is inaugurated. I assume that's already begun. It has served its purpose and will be heard no more.

And at this point, who knows what all-important matter will have suddenly been picked as the One True Key and Distraction to massive income inequality.

If Trump deports millions the Dems will come back and reopen the border, and on and on we go endlessly into the sunset.

The Dems don't "reopen" the border. They follow international law, which the US is legally obligated to do as a signer to the Geneva convention on refugees. Trump actually breaks the law, repeatedly.

R110 it wasn't close.

Reopened... relaxed... potatoes... potatoes...

Sorry to burst your bubble, r114.

"At the same time, Trump’s margins — both in raw votes and in percentages — were small by historical standards, even for the past quarter century, when close elections have been the rule, including the 2000 Florida recount election and Trump’s previous two races in 2016 and 2020."

White House, Senate, House, popular vote, electoral vote.

Republicans swept them all.

Swept would be a Ronald Reagan victory - 528 electoral votes, popular vote margin 20,000,000 votes. Trump's electoral college win looks impressive, until you realize that 4 states (electoral votes adding up to about 45 electoral votes) were won by very small margins - in some states, fewer than 30,000 votes out of millions cast. Historically speaking, this was a close election.

R118 didn't you say you'd vote for a guy in dramatic cognitive decline no matter what? Dementia, Parkinson's, whatever?

So close

The House looks like it will be a very narrow margin as well, certainly before the special elections to fill the three seats for resignations.

But there is no getting around the fact that a win is a win, they did win. At the same time, as the Republicans themselves showed after 2020, sometimes making absolutely zero real changes and simply waiting for the right issues to come around, or pumping up the right issues, is just as effective as deep remorse and promises to change everything.

One thing I would like to see next year is Democrats asking loud and clear how exactly the inevitable massive tax cut for rich fucks is actually going to help on any of the pressing issues that Americans supposedly were deeply concerned about in 2024.

r120, you do understand that the vast majority of red counties in the country are tiny in population, right? Those blue dots represent urban areas, which, by themselves, contain over half of the population of the nation. There are "distorted' maps which show this graphically. There is an animation at the site below which shows the explosion of blue when adjusted for population vs area.

What still puzzles me is the swing states that elected Democratic Senators and went to Trump. And of course our turnout was lower than it should have been.

Ok, better luck next time r122. Just bad luck I guess for a complete sweep of all branches of government. Carter's reelection bid was also a squeaker

Well thanks for the good luck wishes for 2026 r124. The mood might indeed have switched by then.

But no, Carter's loss in 1980 was not a squeaker. Harris' loss really was.

Again, a win is a win, but don't pretend that this was some massive embrace of the Trump Cult by the country. People were in their usual pissy mood and the incumbent party bore the brunt of that. Beyond that, who really knows what exactly the great and good American people really voted for. Mostly it was the typical Fuck You election.

I think Trump won because it was a Fuck You Democrats (in your current elitest incarnation) election.

Trump was the closest thing to a populist that was permitted to run. And they did everything to stop him including trying to kill him twice. But hey he won

And was 2020 a Fuck You Trump election?

I think it was, r127. People didn't have strong feelings about Biden as a candidate, other than that he wasn't Trump. I think in spite of that he accomplished a great deal, and will be evaluated positively for that in the future.

Covid killed Trump. without it, I think he would have won. Plus Biden probably was the only Dem who could defeat him. The 2020 Biden not the 2024 Biden.

R127 Maybe, the deep state did everything they could to make the Trump era look like Rome before the Visigoths. Antifa riots, George Floyd BLM national riots, all sorts of weirdness that made typical Americans feel like we were back in '68 and the country was in total meltdown. But I think all that shit was engineered. And honestly when you look at the crazy voting numbers for 2020 I do think it was a stolen election. +20 million votes, in a total outlier from years prior and since

Maybe r129, but possibly because Covid revealed what a monumental fucking waste of time Trump is in any real world crisis. That it is all useless blather and nonsense and fuckery from that cunt, and of course, stealing and raping.

But hey, he has another chance to prove he is something that is completely worthless and ridiculous. We'll see how that goes.

and r130, thank you for letting us know you're a complete Trump Whore, Darling.

shit, meant "isn't completely worthless" but really who cares? I am convinced nobody will be convinced of anything until they see it, maybe six months in, maybe a year.

Trump probably should've just won in 2020 so we'd be rid of him by now. Instead we have four more LONG years ahead of us.

Biden was a good alternative to Trump. Catholic, white male, years in government, Obama connection. The Dems have no one like him around anymore.

Running only white guys. Who are as we know the Democrats' biggest supporters. What a terrific idea.

[quote] A lot of people that had a hard time making ends meet decided that was enough, they didn't care about democracy and morals which, lets face it, are values that are easier to uphold when you make a good living and have stability in your life.

Oh, well when you put it that way, I totally sympathize with them, I'm so glad they will be happy with their tariffs.

[quote] And they did everything to stop him including trying to kill him twice.

"They" meaning Republicans?

Absolutely, the Dems should continue to run females. Because that’s worked out great for them!

[quote] Republicans swept them all.

They didn't sweep. If they swept Congress, it would look how Congress did in 1994. They barely have a majority in the house and senate.

The only mistake the Dems made was not running two females on the ticket. They can try again in 2028 and I’m sure this time they’ll do great. If not, there’s always 2032!

R138, I don't think they wil be running a female candidate for president anytime soon.

Yeah, I don't know what the issues will be in 2028 but I'm reasonably sure the candidate will be White, Straight, Male, in his 50s, maybe early 60s, but most likely 50s. We're going to be very skittish about a lot of things then.

Dems would rather loose than upset their donors. Same with the Pukes.

They’ve become the party of gleeful Pollyannas.

[QUOTE] The Dems don't "reopen" the border. They follow international law, which the US is legally obligated to do as a signer to the Geneva convention on refugees. Trump actually breaks the law, repeatedly.

Who says they’re refugees, R113? What do they need asylum from, not being able to find a job in their country?

Josh Shapiro fits the bill, as does Gavin Newsom, but Gavin gives more people the ick despite being hotter.

Longshot I would love but would never happen: Fetterman

[quote] A lot of people that had a hard time making ends meet decided that was enough ... I can't blame them for wanting something different. I don't think they were necessarily voting for Trump the man as much as they were voting to get rid of the current government.

But when they vote to get rid of the current government, they ARE voting for Trump the man. Those are the only choices.

I can blame them, and I do blame them. I understand that prices are too high, and people have a right to be angry. But any sane person would realize that (1) inflation was caused by COVID, not Biden, (2) the Biden administration saved us from a recession, (3) inflation has started to ease, (4) Trump has no plan to reduce prices, and (5) Trump's proposed tariffs will only increase prices on nearly everything. Do they really think the price of eggs will magically drop as soon as Trump takes office? If so, they're idiots. If not, but they voted for Trump anyway, they're also idiots.

R139, the Republicans won the presidency, the Senate & the House. So they did sweep them all.

“It’s the ‘economy’ stupid”

Overwhelmingly.

During Covid people had to pay too much for anything they wanted because supply chains got fucked up. Fewer people were in factories. Parts to build/repair cars were all but unavailable. One consequence was older, working cars shot up in value. (A friend purchased his dream “new” two year old Porsche off the showroom floor for $10,000 above the original asking, because his old car was kaput and there was almost no supply available.).

Manufacturers/producers saw how much people were willing to pay, raised prices and/or shrunk content, and haven’t looked back. That’s the new normal.

Biden and the Fed got the general economy and inflation back on track just in time for the election (though most people won’t “feel” it until a quarter or so into Trump’s next term). But the prospect of reduced inflation on already gouged prices wasn’t enough to cut it for distracted Americans in polling booths. .

Trump will crow and take credit for Biden’s efforts (just like Obama’s employment numbers were all “lies” until they continued to be released and rechristened as “100 percent accurate ” by Trump’s administration).

Then Trump’ll fuck it up with tariffs and cuts to social programs, in order to extend his expiring tax cuts for the 0.1%

Deporting those Hamas-supporting Arabs from Michigan will only help Democrats in future election, so I’m all for it.

DL called this month ago the polls were all wrong.

Yes it’s true DL was claiming the polls were wrong because they showed a close race or trump slightly ahead. DL knew she was running away with support and would crush Trump.

Some might say that DL got the election totally wrong from the start and never got any fucking thing right.

We knew the polls were wrong just not which way

I'm going to repeat what I have said several times, that it isn't the candidate it's the messaging. The Republicans can take a POS on a platter, literally, and convince people it is a steak. They have really learned voter behavior, and what motivates people and they saturate every single media outlet non stop with a simple clear message. Period. It is a masterful example of manipulation. And it works. Until we either get better than them, or inoculate the voting public against their tricks, they will continue to run anyone they want and they will win. It has nothing to do with policy proposals. They campaign on issues not policy. We always do this. Not just us, the public, but the pundits and the professionals, always look at the candidate and that is valid, but they give it too much weight. The whole notion of "messaging" is different for Dems than it is to the GOP. Dems think of messaging as policy driven, while Republicans are more interested in what gets Bozo out of his easy chair and gets him to the polls.

Do we really want to start mimicking these apes, though?

Want to? No. Have to? Yes.

Harris Campaign Advisor to Dem Supporters:

We lied to you right up to the very end. We were never going to win and we knew it.

Thanks for your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ anyway.

Yeah. They should have concluded that the polls were too unfavorable to keep trying and should have conceded in September to save people’s money. You are brilliant! Please comment more often!

Nope the Harris staff needed to be paid. And you can’t really quit in September.

That means I do understand why they lied to us right up until the very last moment. I do understand why they lied. But that does not make it a non lie since they knew they were going down and any money going directly to Harris was a wasted effort that was never going to pay off.

There's lying in politics?!

[quote]Even I was furious yesterday after I saw the small little quarts of ice cream were almost $5.

Are you high? Were you in a coma for the past 4 years? They've been that price for years.

You JUST realized how expensive groceries have become?

Like it was stated before, Kamala always said at her rallies she was the underdog. I am thankful for the joy she brought during her campaign and am looking forward to seeing what her future plans are.

[quote]“It’s the ‘economy’ stupid” - Overwhelmingly.

And when asked about the outrageous prices of groceries, Joe Biden LAUGHED

How furious will people be when grocery prices don't go down .... unless we're in a massive recession? On the other hand, my MAGAt sister's go-to pro-Trump line this year was how gas was below $2 under Trump. That it was that low, briefly, at the height of Covid lockdowns, when unemployment was at 14% was of no moment to her.

Someone buys Haggen Daz or other over priced yuppie brands of ice cream not the cheap store brand just like I do.

I so miss the haggen daz vanilla with peanut butter ice cream, :-(

[QUOTE] Like it was stated before, Kamala always said at her rallies she was the underdog. I am thankful for the joy she brought during her campaign and am looking forward to seeing what her future plans are.

But the news media made it seem like she had the lead. Why wasn’t anyone reporting on these terrible internal numbers?

Because the Harris team kept those internals a secret until after the election. And even now it’s just leaking slowly.

[quote] But the news media made it seem like she had the lead. Why wasn’t anyone reporting on these terrible internal numbers?

I think many DLers were in a bubble. As to Harris being in the lead, there was lots of reporting to the contrary, along with unfavorable polling. And Mark Halperin, however unsavory he might be, was regularly reporting on his daily platform about internal polling showing Trump in the lead in most, if not all, of the battleground states.

Yeah we were r166. Triumph of hope over experience, again. Maybe the American people really are as shitty as the Republicans think they are. Though really, I think it's more a matter of mood swings.

I did think the combination of abortion politics and some deep down sense that you don't let an insurrectionist back into the White House would let her win in the end. Wrong on both counts I guess.

And to be accurate anyone who would have reported Harris in trouble and suggested trump had a big lead, they would have been given 113 FF from the FF Nazis at DL within minutes and they would have been banned from posting.

I see what part of the Dems problems were and they were not all trans and maga.

Sometime in October, I agreed with one non-anonymous poster who posted the belief that Trump had a 75% chance of winning. That poster was put on a 48-hour timeout before the election. Fortunately, my time in the penalty box was deferred until the days in the immediate aftermath of the election.

I don't this this disclosure is going to help Democrats their sad next time around. It's an admission that "we knew we never had a chance, yet still we carried on as if we did, begged a couple billion dollars along the way, went through all the motions as though sone miracle might come akong, but no, as we expected, we lost."

Not that that should deter anyone the next time, but it will. Because of the mounting cynicism of the powerlessness of the individual and contempt for organizations raising obscene amounts of money.

[quote]MAGAt sister's go-to pro-Trump line this year was how gas was below $2 under Trump. That it was that low, briefly, at the height of Covid lockdowns, when unemployment was at 14% was of no moment to her.

How many people were driving anywhere during the Covid lockdowns? Of course gas was cheap. There was zero demand for it.

Maybe r170. We have the attention span of fleas however, so my guess is 2028 will be its own thing, pretty much divorced from 2024 altogether, on the Democratic side. On the Republican side, I assume it will be a desperate attempt to keep the Trump Cult going, but without Trump.

It wasn't really hard for Biden to win battleground states in 2020.

David Plouffe himself was out there saying Kamala had a good chance to win. He was lying through his goddamn teeth. In fact here he is Monday before the election saying “she could win all seven swing states.” What the fuck?

R174 that must be wrong. I have read several times on DL that Dems unlike the gop never lie.

True r173, but it was the middle of a pandemic where Trump was clearly a floundering doofus who didn't know shit about shit. People were even more pissed about everything, stuck home with the beloved urchins and sick of Trump's shit. And of course it was really easy to vote, the Republican nightmare scenario, and people had enough time on their hands to do so in record numbers.

[quote] How many people were driving anywhere during the Covid lockdowns? Of course gas was cheap. There was zero demand for it.

I steer clear of any political discussion with MAGAt sister, but our mutual BIL, a Trump voter if not a full-throated MAGAt, relays her comments. And the lack of demand informing the low cost of gas was my immediate response to him.

Recount.

[quote]It wasn't really hard for Biden to win battleground states in 2020.

Because the Trump Presidency was a total shitshow during Fall 2020.

People have either forgotten that by now, or they felt Biden was just as bad.

I think the relentless plea for $ was a tip off the campaign was screwed.

[quote]And the lack of demand informing the low cost of gas was my immediate response to him.

Unfortunately facts don’t matter to these people.

[quote] But the news media made it seem like she had the lead. Why wasn’t anyone reporting on these terrible internal numbers?

Why are the internal polls always so much better than the polls by the major polling companies that are released to the public? Do the pollsters who work internally for the candidates have some magical formula that is known only to them?

If the average American is willing to trade in a a democracy because of mild inflation, immigrants and trans issues, they don't really deserve democracy. Let's face it--the average American is spoiled and insular. If they weren't, they would know more about what goes on in other countries aside from their own.

The internal polls are much more costly, R182. You get what you pay for.

[quote]There was a dramatic shift in the unprecedented amount of celeb concerts.

Nothing makes a politician look more cheesy and inauthentic than appearing with a roster of pop stars.

[quote] it was the middle of a pandemic where Trump was clearly a floundering doofus who didn't know shit about shit. People were even more pissed about everything, stuck home with the beloved urchins and sick of Trump's shit.

Yet many of those same people who thought Trump was a floundering doofus in 2020 apparently decided in 2024 that it would be a good idea to give him 4 more years in the White House. How did we go in 4 years from "Trump is an idiot whose handling of the COVID crisis was a complete shitshow" to "Everything was so much better under Trump, so let's give him another term!"?

R186, people were sooooo offended about remote schooling due to the pandemic (because why should teachers be considered humans when it's ALL about the kids) plus masking, lockdowns, etc. If that's all it takes to make people vote against democracy, they really need to kill themselves.

[quote] Nothing makes a politician look more cheesy and inauthentic than appearing with a roster of pop stars.

And aging rock stars. When they trot out Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi at the big rallies in the final days of the campaign, you know the campaign is in trouble and worried about losing.

If Trump owes his 2024 election to pandemic closures, how did he manage to lose in 2020 when such measures were contemporaneous?

Pop stars aren't a great idea but I don't think they have nearly the good or bad effect that people imagine. Nobody has cheesier pop stars than Republicans. They almost invariably suck, brokedown former wrestlers, has-beens that never quite were, a few Christian dumbasses that only the most fanatical Christian actually gives a fuck about. But it doesn't affect them at all, really, at election.

On the left, it's one of those bullshit answers, that if only they weren't hanging out with Beyonce, they'd be one of us. Which, meh, largely bullshit and a minor part of what goes into winning or losing. But it's an easy answer for people who don't want to face up to harder truths.

r152 agree.

As I said over and over, people need to understand that in current times these candidates are essentially brands to be pushed. Trump has used the last 40 years to make himself a household name. You need to give people time to familiarize themselves with the messaging. You have to know the science of marketing, demographics and voter behavior. Nancy Pelosi was correct in her assessment that KH should have been the candidate from the gate. It was too little, too late, even if she had a perfect campaign with zero snafus.

Democrats making the brave decision to stay home (or obsess about Gaza!) was why Harris lost.

Democratic-leaning voters are extremely precious with their vote and get off enduring misery and economic collapse with each new GOP administration because it gives them "Victim Cred", I've come to believe.

Plus, illegals and trans!

Remember when Trump spent half an hour aimlessly swaying on stage?

But sure, rock stars did the Dems in

So many things to unpack here. Have the naysayers here spent a moment thinking about the BILLIONS of dollars Trump and his supporters have paid out over the past 2 + years, including the numerous conservative Super Pacs? How exactly were the Democrats supposed to "introduce" a candidate in barely 3 months between selection and election to the American public, which, as someone above has noted, recognizes Trump from 40 years of TV and tabloid appearances since the early 1980s, without a tremendous expenditure of money? No current Democrat has the name recognition of Trump, for better or worse, so whoever ran (whether Harris or any other candidate) would have needed the same amount of money. It was an uphill battle, and it was NOT a desperate failure, in spite of the posters above who keep insisting it was some sort of blowout. The Republicans hold very narrow leads in the House and the Senate. Trump was elected by a very narrow margin. That means that as terrible things happen during his Presidency, (as they inevitably will), people on the wrong side of that narrow margin will desert, and any congressional candidates who won their seats by narrow margins will be thinking of their next election, and just how much they want to be associated with Trump.

This election may well have been over before the calendar year began.

And we thought the media was being harsh on the Democrats. All this time they were propping them up to keep the horse race going and get their ratings, web impressions and ad revenue up. The mainstream media was in on the scam.

Was there ever a moment when Kamala thought she had a chance? If Kamala knew she couldn’t have won shouldn’t she have declined the nomination?

Maybe, R197, this wasn’t a Democratic year. That a candidate has deeply flawed as Trump could win supports that theory.

^ as deeply flawed

[quote]How exactly were the Democrats supposed to "introduce" a candidate in barely 3 months between selection and election to the American public,

First of all, Kamala ran for the Presidency in 2020. The country saw her during the debates. We saw her during the impeachment trial of Trump. And during the Biden/Harris campaign in 2020.

She had been Vice President for 3.5 years when she started her campaign for 2024.

So the country did know her, she wasn't some unknown.

[quote]How exactly were the Democrats supposed to "introduce" a candidate in barely 3 months between selection and election to the American public,

She stupidly avoided interviews, avoided the press, until late September. Not very smart for a candidate with little time on her side.

It’s just fashionable to criticize Kamala now since she lost the election, but she accomplished running a nearly flawless campaign and in no less than 3 months. Her candidacy also gave hope to people who know that we can do better in this country, and that a leader’s character—and fucking decency in public discourse—still matter.

I hope everyone who voted Trump gets exactly what they voted for, and suffers accordingly.

IRONY------>> Kamalas Team KNEW they were losing but whenever someone on DL said it they were called Russians or Trolls.

If we have to do finger pointing and blame placing then Joe Biden is first in line. Because if he had dropped out sooner, we'd have had a chance. And if he was a better man, he'd have let Harris get a few photo ops and shared some of the spotlight. I remember Obama being pretty generous when it came to Joe sharing the spotlight. People called Harris the incumbent, and technically she was, but in reality Trump had all the advantages of incumbency and she was the new face. I thought she did an outstanding job, and I thought she had a very well run campaign. If anyone saw Steve Bannon's comments today, he nailed it. He said Musk came in with $150 million at the critical moment when they really needed it and he had an army of professionals to get the vote out (Starlink targeting.) Bannon said it made all the difference and that's how Trump got the win. Harris may have been behind but the raise definitely tightened and she was de finitely in the hunt. She gave him a good damned fight. And she established herself as far as political leadership go.

The race never tightened. It was all a fantasy. That’s why Trump stayed so optimistic. He had internal polling showing him in the lead the whole time. When a public pollster released something that showed Harris with a lead, Trump would rant and rave about it being “fake” and he was right. Those polls were all bullshit.

Bannon just has his head up Elon’s ass, like all of Trumpworld, and wants to glaze him by pretending he saved the day. That’s bullshit, too. Elon didn’t make any real difference. The GOP was fine without him. But Bannon wants that a part of the political lore to keep Elon on the MAGA bus. He’s thinking long term, and wants Elon spending money in future elections.

Yes, R204. When some here posted that his outrageous behavior on the stump was proof he knew he was losing, I would point out that the opposite may well be true.

[quote] Was there ever a moment when Kamala thought she had a chance? If Kamala knew she couldn’t have won shouldn’t she have declined the nomination?

Yes, then she could have handed it over to a candidate who was guaranteed to win. The Democratic Party is looking for a new chairman. Are you available? This is the strategic thinking we need.

Harris never had a chance in this stupid fucking country. When I said that here before the election I got called Boris and a Russian troll etc. and got banned twice. Stupid fucks. I was right.

I can't believe Pelosi didn't forsee Biden's knee-jerk endorsement of Harris. Didn't she realize how bitter he would be, how much Jill would support him in ANYTHING?

Didn't think 2-moves ahead. She didn't ask herself: what is the worst he can do after he withdraws?

So what was the alternative, R208? Let Biden stay in the race? You’re saying we were better off with Joe?

The progressives and the woke far left are really not well liked by most American voters. I have talked this week to several likely or maybe trump voters none of have said a bad word about Harris. Never attacked her or brought her up, They are just not fans,

None have ever made a homophobic statement of any kind, educated and moderate people .

One loves Biden from first hand experiences. What they do go on about are their dislike for liberals and the woke left , dyed blue hair, trans encouraging personally weak left the weak fuckers who do nothing to support our country who they really believe are not good for the country.

The pc woke left has seen it’s day. America has moved on and even many Dems agree it’s time..

And that pc woke left is why trump picked up so many males of all different kinds and colors this past election.

[quote]None have ever made a homophobic statement of any kind

while you were in the room.

[quote]Of course gas was cheap. There was zero demand for it.

Have you ever tried explaining simple supply-demand economics to MAGAts? They all act like they are Stanford magna cum laude graduates thinking you are speaking gibberish.

"Why were the public polls so different?"

There are many possible answers to that, R18 . Clearly, there is a systemic in mapping opinions regarding which people are heard and which aren't. (Some of this bias is well-known. Imagine you send out a 1000 10-page surveys to DLers to fill out about their favourite 80s band. You will only get a 100 back, and apart from their leaning, the survey is skewed in favour of people willing to take their time filling out a 10-page survey in the first place.)

Systemic bias can be unintentional. What is scandalous is that the Harris campaign knew the numbers were rose-tinted, but had no incentive to convey this to potential voters. This is where it leaves the realm of "unintentional". It turned out, the gamblers had it right. The next election will be worse. Everyone will huddle on Bluesky and affirm each other and then blame everybody else when it goes wrong.

[quote] What is scandalous is that the Harris campaign knew the numbers were rose-tinted, but had no incentive to convey this to potential voters.

What would be their "incentive to convey this to potential voters"?

[quote] What is scandalous is that the Harris campaign knew the numbers were rose-tinted, but had no incentive to convey this to potential voters.

What should the Harris campaign have done? Should Harris have run ads saying, "The internal polls are looking bad. Don't trust the people who think I can win. Don't give me any more money. I'm definitely going to lose to Trump. It's hopeless."? To Harris's credit, she always did say she was the underdog.

R216 and she did say that often. I did not believe her. I was far too busy believing DL.

We were the idiots now we try to blame it on others.

The endless text bombardment, always couched in the need for $ (so possibly overlooked and disregarded), was always something to the effect of "were down X points in X state," and "underdog" was a mainstay in Kamala's speeches. So she did tell you.

Also, I think people are reading the inflection of the statement wrong, almost as if it's a brag and they scammed us, when it's really just an acknowledgement that they were generally always behind in the polls.

Well, R218, I believe a lot of these major Democratic Donors would like to know "why they were lied too" by the DNC.

My own clients " the Sacred 39" as I call them, some of them are NOT HAPPY about this revelation by David Plouffe. Actually, I read this post on Wednesday afternoon here on DL first. Some of my clients have received a call from the DNC& all of them said "You need to call my advisor John". Then they called me at home.

Well, R218, I believe a lot of these major Democratic Donors would like to know "why they were lied too" by the DNC.

My own clients " the Sacred 39" as I call them, some of them are NOT HAPPY about this revelation by David Plouffe. Actually, I read this post on Wednesday afternoon here on DL first. Some of my clients have received a call from the DNC& all of them said "You need to call my advisor John". Then they called me at home.

Well, R218, I believe a lot of these major Democratic Donors would like to know "why they were lied too" by the DNC.

My own clients " the Sacred 39" as I call them, some of them are NOT HAPPY about this revelation by David Plouffe. Actually, I read this post on Wednesday afternoon here on DL first. Some of my clients have received a call from the DNC& all of them said "You need to call my advisor John". Then they called me at home.

^^^^ I hit the button really hard^^^^

Dumb Nikki Haley... wrong again.

And who realistically would have campaigned better than Harris?

It was not just the polls or the turnout. Before the election the GOP already had more registered supporters than the Dems.

An absolute first in my very long life.

Yes the Dems had lost elections before. But at any time during the year there were always more registered Dems than gop.

That changed and before the election.

R224, oh, my. Michelle Obama, who writes self help books for a living and produces entertaining products for Netflix. Except she wanted no part of it. None. Ever.

I don't think we'll ever be able to fully make sense of the 2024 election because so much of it doesn't make sense at all. It was an election where:

- The candidate who had bigger crowds at rallies, raised more money, and won the one and only presidential debate lost.

- The candidate who spoke about hope and change lost, while the candidate who spoke about the size of Arnold Palmer's cock won.

- Voters who opposed Trump's policies and thought he lacked the moral character to be president voted for him anyway.

- Voters who thought 81-year-old Biden was far too old to continue as president thought 78-year-old Trump was just fine.

- Voters voted for abortion rights almost everywhere where it was on the ballot, but voted for the presidential candidate who was responsible for overturning Roe v. Wade.

- Voters were upset about the economy, even though the U.S. economy is the envy of the world, with unemployment near record lows and the stock market near record highs.

- Voters complained about high prices but voted for the candidate whose only "solution" is to impose tariffs that nearly everyone agrees will raise prices on almost everything.

- Betting markets did a much better job of predicting the election outcome than any of the reputable polling organizations.

- The most reputable and highly acclaimed pollster of all (Ann Selzer) produced a final Iowa poll that was off by 16 points.

In the end, the country is fucked up, Trump seems to defy all conventional wisdom, and most voters are stupid. There probably wasn't much that Harris or any Democrat could have done to fix that.

I am starting to think this may not be a blip. This may be your life. And 10 years from now trumps win might be very easy to understand

The first truly major win in the populism revolution.

The mere fact that Kamala was the nominee exemplifies what people hate about Democrats. Kamala was vice-president because Biden vowed to choose a black woman vice president. The she became the nominee because the Democrats were afraid to not nominate a black woman.

I loathe Trump, but at least he isn't afraid to offend someone,

Not to sound like a maggot but this election was definitely rigged. Look at the facts and numbers. No way did the orange trash heap win.

More anti Democrat bullshit.

I want the Dems to invest in Harris like Murdoch invested in Trump.

R227, that's all there is to it. Kamala did energize the base, especially the part of the base that was pissed off and disappointed with Biden. That can be seen in the fact that her favorability went up tremendously by the end of the election cycle. I think there's a good chance the Taylor, Beyonce, Cardi B, etc. endorsements did help her. But that's the thing, they helped with high information and/or dedicated Dem voters, not the swing voters she needed to attract. Kamala and her team made the mistake of assuming the best of the American people; never again! From now on, the Dems need to assume the worst of the median American voter. Maybe the next Dem candidate should be an inbred hick from Tennessee or something. That would do it.

[quote]I don't think we'll ever be able to fully make sense of the 2024 election because so much of it doesn't make sense at all.

It's real simple: the Democrats are hated.

It is amazing to me that you can't see that.

[quote]The mere fact that Kamala was the nominee exemplifies what people hate about Democrats. Kamala was vice-president because Biden vowed to choose a black woman vice president. The she became the nominee because the Democrats were afraid to not nominate a black woman.

Kamala was a DEI hire. Americans know that.

The democrats have to get over their black fetish. AAs are 13% of the population. Not to be ignored, certainly, but the fact is white people are the majority. Latinos are the second biggest voting block. And according to Pew research, 60% of Latinos identify as white. Of course you'd never know that watching network TV.

[quote]It's real simple: the Democrats are hated.

That's Murdoch propaganda.

A majority of Americans view themselves as conservative, and a majority of Americans support progressive policies.

And 20% of Americans are completely unable to read.

It's a problem.

Hated or not the Dems were the smaller party before the election. It’s on its way to be smaller yet as winners gain and losers don’t.

What R234 said. The Democrats' awkward attempts to be woke are what's sinking their boat.

[QUOTE] Drop the Tranny stuff, drop the DEI stuff, drop the pro-terrorist stuff, drop the pro-crime stuff.

Drop the “sanctuary” stuff. We’ll have two Governors running for the nomination, Gavin Newsom and JB Pritzker, who think it’s awesome that their “sanctuary states” encourage immigrants to keep coming across the border illegally. Why would the American people then trust them to be the chief law enforcement officer of the nation? Why would you trust them to secure our borders when they seemingly don’t believe we should have borders?

If we nominate one of these clowns that won’t get tough on immigration, we’re fucked in 2028. The American people by overwhelming margins DO NOT support sanctuary policies. Why are we just ceding this issue to Republicans?

I am going to bet that no trannies will be flashing their tits at the cameras just after a meeting with President Trump while on the WH grounds.

Those days will sadly be over

Remember when everything was about systemic racism, I wondered how popular that ideology could be in a country where the majority of people are still white. Ditto for supporting the trans movement when 96 to 98:% of the population is not trans. Ditto for migrants coming to the US. Just too many positions held by Dems that are unpopular.

I see a dem party that keeps shedding issues and policies that are now unpopular with the American people , that were once considered Dem staples, and when they are done all is left is a puff of mist.

The heart of the Dem party are the programs of the New Deal and the Great Society. Supporting programs like Social security and Medicare is crucial for the party. Add fighting for civil Rights, women’s rights and gay rights. And a strong pro democracy foreign policy. There’s plenty to keep the party alive.

[quote]The Democrats are mostly hated because of the woke stuff.

Woke is what the White Nationalist Racist Evangelicals call the rest of us.