US universities warn foreign students on Trump immigration crackdown

I don't understand. Please explain? If these students are enrolled in accredited US university, how on earth can they be "undocumented"!?

"More than 400,000 undocumented students are enrolled in US higher education, according to the Higher Ed Immigration Portal."

I can see undocumented people who LIVE in American being enrolled at universities. Grew up in USA and are undocumented. Sure. But they are NOT "international students".

"International Students" are cash cows - students from other countries who come to USA to get their university diplomas. They are ALL documented with student visas.

Aren't they?

[quote] More than 400,000 undocumented students are enrolled in US higher education

I mean, why?

Is it like this in Europe? I seriously want to know.

Why weren’t violent criminals deported already?

I believe a large number of those "international students" might be here learning English for a semester or two. But they would be documented. I think the problem would be students (mainly Latino students) who are not citizens. However, the latino vote supported most of what they are complaining about now.

[quote]More than 400,000 undocumented students are enrolled in US higher education, according to the Higher Ed Immigration Portal.

I don’t understand this.

I thought all these “undocumented immigrants” were here doing jobs that Americans don’t want, like cleaning houses and working in fields? Why are 400,000 of them in our universities now?

I think it's vey bad reporting.

As I said, there may be hundreds of thousands of kids who grew up in America, and undocumented, who now study at universities. But these are NOT "international students".

International students are documented. The end.

The most common student visas are F-1 and M-1.

F-1 visas are for full-time international students pursuing academic studies.

M-1 visas are for full-time international students pursuing vocational studies.

r2 Pretty much. For UK and I expect most places tbh large number of Chinese and Indian students, with Nigeria in 3rd place. The unis love them because they can charge international students higher fees.

R10 none of those students are "undocumented". They must have visas to enrol at legit universities.

I’m sure there are universities who are willing to “bend the rules” for Chinese or Indians or Middle Eastern students who can pay cash.

They are enrolling international students who only have tourist visas? Visa waver (eg no visa) applies to visitors from Qatar and Israel, ONLY, in Middle East. Tourist visas are 90 days.

r11 Didn't see the undocumented bit so fair point. Then no. I've never heard of many actually undocumented students. The main issue with international students (at least in the UK) is the end up overstaying their visa and straight up disappearing, or they'll actually be attending quite dodgy English language college run by Someone's Cousin as a way to get a backdoor visa and work.

Do American universities ask for proof of citizenship today? They did not in my day.

If they are illegal or undocumented they are on the short list for a govt paid ticket out of the country.

Undocumented immigrants get financial aid and being a first generation college student is a big boost in the admissions process.

Do people really not know this?

Yes I think this is the pool of students referred to. So they are NOT "international students". They are undocumented students who grew up in USA mostly.

R16 nope. But I do now. Trust but verify. You are correct, They can’t get federal aid though. Only certain state aid from certain states as I read it.?

Mostly blue states , inc mine, plus Texas.

If they are very clever with good grades, they are coveted students by the top tier "Need Blind" universities, who can afford to fund them.

Need Blind is basically a free ride for poor students.

Lots of people over 400,000 of them will suffer but it’s hard to call the American tax payers bigots because they do not want their tax dollars spent this way.

It’s a sad time.

I’m guessing this group of 400,000 includes quite a few young adults who have been in the U.S. a very long time. I don’t want to see then deported, but the fact that there is even a remote possibility demonstrates how unethical the US has been for so many years by allowing people to work jobs, attend public schools, be admitted to public and private universities (which are all funded or subsidized by taxpayers to some degree), and get healthcare while still having the specter of “illegal” hanging over them.

I hope people understand that we’ve created a responsibility to these young people and their parents. I suspect we will see mass deportations of less appealing immigrants but eventually see measures adopted to allow people to remain, hopefully fully legally with a path to citizenship. The schools ought to be ready to step up, too. You admitted them and gave them aid packages, diverting resources that could have educated tax paying US citizens, knowing they were here illegally. Now how are you going to ensure they can finish the education you encouraged them to commit to?

It probably refers to students in border states where a large number of kids are undocumented.

[quote]The schools ought to be ready to step up, too. You admitted them and gave them aid packages, diverting resources that could have educated tax paying US citizens, knowing they were here illegally.

If I were black or Native American, I’d be super pissed that universities were catering to these noncitizens who have no legitimate claim to be there.

It who will be left at Trump University?

R25 your application to Trump University has been reviewed and reflected because no one has a clue what you are saying.

We have standards. Try Ohio State.

This is what happens when you try to be cute

“Rejected”

if their UNDOCUMENTED parents have been working for decades while the UNDOCUMENTED us residing kids were growing up, the UNDOCUMENTED parents have been playing plenty of US taxes.

R28 MAGA doesn't care about that. The intention behind all this anti-democracy bullshit is to replace the US constitution with White Christian Nationalist laws.

Isn't this topic also related to the DACA/Dreamers issue?

Undocumented students are not eligible for federal financial or in-state tuition at university.

Doubtful that many could afford the current tuition prices

They are perhaps attending community colleges.

They certainly can and do get instate tuition, And yes it’s state money they get, not federal money.

And 400,000 of them are students today.

No way there are 400k illegals in college.

Complete bullshit

R34 is correct according to Bidens presidential education commission that did a survey on this just and recently released it is not 400,00.

It’s 408,000

R2 In The Netherlands and Germany, there would be absolutely no possibility for anyone to enrol in a university without a valid Student Visum.

These 408000 maybe illegals as far as being in the country undocumented but they are legally admitted to those schools.

There is legislation that makes this all legal

And what exactly is a Student Visum?

Yes, I believe there are 400K. It's not just Mexicans or Central Americans, but people from Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and African countries, etc., who overstay their VISAs and never leave. If you live in the NY, NJ, or DC areas this is quite common.

It does not seem to be those that came in legally and then over stayed their visa that account for the big numbers.. it’s those who live in the US and are undocumented that make up the bulk of those 408,000.

Sad days are coming. That is what happens when you lose the WH, Senate, House and of course the SC.

Winners dictate loser whine

R16 No, they don't. I love how it's incomprehensible to you that everybody doesn't know this.

R40, people do know it because they get really worked up about the college admissions process and the “three ins” or whatever they call them. Athlete, legacy, first generation. First generation college students are largely kids who are undocumented or whose parents are undocumented. Obviously the citizens with undocumented parents are not part of the 400,000. I have no idea what that breakdown would be.

[quote] Lots of people over 400,000 of them will suffer but it’s hard to call the American tax payers bigots because they do not want their tax dollars spent this way.

What tax dollars? The millions we will spend to round them up and deport them?

The MAGA animosity towards immigrants is going to cost us far, far more than leaving them alone.

“Tax dollars” is a cover story.

Are they all truly illegal because those with asylum status are not here illegally

[Quote] If they are very clever with good grades, they are coveted students by the top tier "Need Blind" universities, who can afford to fund them.

Need Blind doesn’t mean you get to go for free. They cobble together various student loan programs and such to allow you to afford it. Most of that money would be federal student loan, which illegals cannot access

[Quote] Why weren’t violent criminals deported already?

Because they tend to come right back. That’s why we hold them in our prisons

[Quote] They are perhaps attending community colleges.

Community colleges aren’t dirt cheap. There is often dependence of loans here too

If once is 18-25 year old who grew up in the USA and is undocumented and is now going to college - how is "returning to campus before Trump takes power" going to help you? If anything, it's going to make it easy to find you. Also, once again, this category or students is NOT "international students". The reporting is a complete mess.

R46 I didn't say Community Colleges are dirt cheap but they tend to be the lower cost options and in some states they have radically reduced tuition in recent years..

And yes, struggling poor students need loans even for community college.

Very few students are in the category of POOR yet high achievers, who can get the full rides available from well endowed private colleges, or the few full scholarships available at routine public colleges.

I went to community college and I turned out fine.

What are the colleges going to do to protect these 400K? . The President or Deans are going to stand on the quad when Trump's military goons arrive to round up the handsome young undocumented undergrads for the trucks to the camps? The Deans are gonna say. "How very dare you arrest our students! They are, well, OUR students."

I don't understand why the universities are urging the students to return to campus before Trump takes office.

They can't charge if the students don't come back for the spring semester.

[quote] A lot of students have concerns about their visas and whether they'll be allowed to continue their education.

They have visas. They are worried their visas will be cancelled. With Trump, who can blame them?

That’s why the universities are urging them to come back to the US before Trump is in office.

Does the school even ask for "Americans" for proof of citizenry? I went to three universities and don't remember having to provide any ID. But this was many many moons ago, almost in Jazz Age.

I also can't recall proof of citizenship. This was the 90s, though.