OB-GYN's are fleeing Texas

Gross

It’s what Texas voted for. So it seems to be working well for them. And fuck the “not everyone voted for Republicans” line. If Republicans win, then not enough Democrats voted.

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What does OB-GYN possess?

It's a terrible thing for the women who live there, or have to live there. The rates of maternal mortality, doctors say, will skyrocket. It's easy to say fuck Texas, but there are a lot of women wo didn't ask for this.

R5 - alternatively - there's a whole lot of women who DID vote for this and a whole lot of women who stayed their asses at home allowing it to happen.

Sorry to say - but people are going to have to die in order for others to wake up. You thought maybe COVID would do it - but the dumbasses doubled down.

I don't have any sympathy anymore. It's all spent. Let the terror and regret begin.

I want a lot of right-wingers to die - tired of the liberals paying the price.

[quote]What does OB-GYN possess?

If only your mother had had an abortion.

A couple moved in across the street six months ago. They moved here from Texas because the wife is an embryologist. A high income educated family leaving Texas….who knows how many more will leave.

Fuck Texas.

R6, pitting innocent women against female MAGAts is grossly unfair to the innocent women, but yes, a lot of people will die in general. You're being generous in thinking "others" will wake up.

I guess they'll just have to pray those babies safely out.

If anything goes arwy, then they can call Secretary Knoem to take care of the situation and the would-be-father can start fresh.

It's a terrifying story but what does every New Yorker article have to be 10,000 words longer than it should be?

The idiots in this country elected an asshole, but the sane half of the population will suffer regardless.

Same thing’s going on in Texas.

It's a shame about all those teenagers who get pregnant yet can't vote, r2. I guess they deserve to suffer because not enough of their parents voted for Harris?

Yes, R13. That’s how change will unfortunately happen. Not until the leopards start eating their faces and they’re personally affected by loss.

Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across Texas.

Like many things, people who can afford to go elsewhere will and the ones who can't will be screwed. But more than this, these types of "quality of life" issues factor into whether or not companies will re-locate/stay in TX since people understandably do not want to relocate to a place that can't even meet their basic healthcare. And so it continues that TX turns itself into the 3rd world country, the South American Tinpot Dictatorship that the desperately want to be.

In 20 years we'll have a big surge in crime from all those unwanted, abused and neglected children.

Why would that be, R17?

All my OBGYN’s fled years ago!

Roe v Wade legalized abortion nationwide in 1973. In the early 90s the crime rate dropped significantly. Let Lea Delaria explain it to you.

Now that abortions are illegal, they don't need OB/GYNs.

[quote] Roe v Wade legalized abortion nationwide in 1973. In the early 90s the crime rate dropped significantly

The economists behind Freakonomics showed how abortion lead to a decrease in crime rates 20 years later. Abortion was being legalized before Roe v Wade state by state. The decrease in crime actually went in the sequence of when the states legalize abortion. Elegant study that they speak about in a few episodes of the Freakonomics Podcast.

Get ready for a big crime wave in 20 years!

And tons of retarded people, too. When was the last time you saw a Down's child or other child with severe disabilities? Pre-natal testing and the pregnancies were terminated, but no more.

[quote]While 615,000 people from the other 49 other states moved to Texas between 2021 and 2022, just over 441,000 Texans left.

I casually knew a woman who was proudly moving to Texas from California because she was tired of the "liberal" bullshit in the state. I guess she's fortunately long past child bearing age, but her children on the other hand, well that's another story.

Also, a LOT of people were parroting the "Austen is different" bullshit. Well, guess what? Austen is still in Texas and subject to all the state laws. If people want to pretend that you can escape Gilead in a small corner of Texas, I no longer care.

States are allocated Electoral College votes based on population. Just by living in Texas and other virulently red states, you give them power.

[quote] When was the last time you saw a Down's child or other child with severe disabilities?

Well…

Poor Miss R21 has no clue (or interest) about how women's bodies work or the full extent of what OB-GYN doctors provide. Hint: it's more than abortion, dear.

[quote] Get ready for a big crime wave in 20 years!

They're blame it on the Dems, of course

Some of you may die. That is a risk I am willing to take.

[quote] They're blame it on the Dems, of course

And im-muh-grunts!

That story is outrageous, the fetus was dead. What kind of sick fucks would force a woman to carry the fetus when it simply could be removed? This is awful.

Nice try, R28, but that’s not what I said. The problem with Texas is, perhaps, voter apathy. And my comment was getting at the notion that those supporting these measures will eventually be affected themselves and then let’s see how they feel.

I'm a woman in Texas. I am beyond disgusted with my state.

[quote]And tons of retarded people, too.

That should be a MAGA slogan: Making America More Retarded!

There's already no practicing OBs left in Idaho.

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If there’s one thing I love, it’s an unintended consequence.

Once the Republicans pass their nationwide abortion ban, it won’t matter where they live.

well,

Pro-choice Texans need to relocate to swingier states.

[Quote] What kind of sick fucks would force a woman to carry the fetus when it simply could be removed?

Republicans

[Quote] Once the Republicans pass their nationwide abortion ban, it won’t matter where they live.

Pathetic that women think, just because they voted against state abortion bans (but voted for Trump), the issue is resolved. The majority of abortions occur with pills. The GOP will use the Comstock act to make mailing abortion pills illegal nationally.

[Quote] The GOP will use the Comstock act to make mailing abortion pills illegal nationally.

While some GOP candidates stated they were against a national abortion ban, it seems that the whole party is supportive of this approach

R22: Freakonomics didn't "show" anything.

r43 statistics don't lie

[Quote] Freakonomics didn't "show" anything.

It did. It gathered and analyzed the stats and found a pattern, one that people hadn’t noticed before.

A :"pattern" is not causal. Most of Freakonomics' discoveries were disproved by actual statisticians who weren't pop social scientists.

[Quote] A :"pattern" is not causal. Most of Freakonomics' discoveries were disproved by actual statisticians who weren't pop social scientists.

Strong correlation points to causation. The Freakonomics folks are economists and statisticians, This pattern has not been disproven at all. In fact, as time has gone on, and new data gathered, their conclusion has gotten stronger.

[Quote] A :"pattern" is not causal. Most of Freakonomics' discoveries were disproved by actual statisticians who weren't pop social scientists.

I’m sure your “proof” is a YouTube video somewhere

r48 you're not the smartest bitch in the room, even though you think you are.

The correlation between legalized abortion and the drop in violent crime is related.

I am so over the abortion argument. I don't care if women die from lack of care, botched abortions, easily preventable birth defects, whatever. We had a working compromise in Roe, and the people of this nation voted it away (and don't start; you know what I mean). Hillary told us explicitly that Trump (and any Republican of this era) would nominate SCOTUS judges with the sole purpose of overturning Roe, and he did. Women's advocates have been telling us for years what will happen if abortion is outlawed, again, and it is happening. And now, given the opportunity to right the ship, women (and in particular educated white women) decided that paying a few cents more for oranges at the supermarket was more important than having access to life-saving medical care. So be it.

I am a childless (by choice) gay man. My niece has already declared that she will never have children (and I suspect, unbeknownst to her parents, she's had a tubal ligation). Every other woman I know well enough to care about whether or not she has access to abortion is post menopausal. I've cared about this issue for my entire 60 years. I've told the story here about the baby that my mother lost between my brother and me, and how she was forced to carry her (the baby was a girl) to term knowing that she wouldn't live more than a few minutes outside the womb (her internal organs formed on the outside of her body, a condition identified in the fourth month) but living in a red state in the 1960s there were no abortions, period. I've had to posthumously ask my mother for her forgiveness over my capitulation on abortion rights; I used to deeply care, but no more. Women (and the men in their lives who care) must suffer the consequences of their votes, and if that includes bleeding out in the hospital parking lot, so be it.

When the Republicans pass their national abortion ban — and they will, don't kid yourself — I hope they make it a capital crime to get or provide an abortion. It's time we execute a few doctors, nurses, and healthcare providers along with the women that they serve. This country is setting itself up for a head-on collision with reality. It won't be pretty, a lot of people are going to die needlessly, [bold]but this is the choice that we've made.[/bold] Bottom line, it's going to have to get a whole lot worse before even the hope of it getting better will come.

So be it.

R50, I absolutely agree. If women won’t vote to protect themselves, why should I care?

Not just the women. But the men, too. Their husbands. Their fathers. Their uncles. Their boyfriends. Their fiances. Their fuckbuddies. Their guy friends. Their peepaws.

Enough of THEM gave zero shits about them bleeding out in parking lots or emergency room bathrooms or of dying of sepsis or if surviving all of those things and being left sterile.

They just didn't care. Zero shits. Or they would have voted differently. It wouldn't have been like giving a kidney, it would have just been one vote. But they weren't worth it.

Bleak.

[quote] Not just the women. But the men, too

And not just the men, but the women and the children too!

Everyone thinks it won’t happen to them. Only to sluts, brown ones

R47: No it doesn't. You clearly took a real statistics course. Defending pop social scientists makes it clear that you're not a serious person.

[Quote] No it doesn't. You clearly took a real statistics course. Defending pop social scientists makes it clear that you're not a serious person.

Steven Levitt is an internationally renown economist, not a pop social scientist.

R55 has never heard of regression equations or structural equation modeling.

[Quote] No it doesn't. You clearly took a real statistics course. Defending pop social scientists makes it clear that you're not a serious person.

Tell me you’ve never read Freakonomics without telling me you’ve never read it

A lot of young men are gonna get a girl pregnant.

They're on the hook for at least 18 years according to the law.

You'd think they would be against abortion bans. But something tells me reality hasn't dawned on them yet.

[quote] Sorry to say - but people are going to have to die in order for others to wake up. You thought maybe COVID would do it - but the dumbasses doubled down.

Women are already dying.

“I got mine, so fuck you” seems to have been the prevailing mood among the electorate.

I hate what we are becoming.

We’re becoming El Salvador and it’s ban on abortion.

Doctors report patients whom they suspect many have had an abortion and patients report doctors whom they suspect of performing abortions. Everyone ends up in jail based on being reported

Wimmin need to take it up the ass 100% of the time

It’s the only way to sure

Apostrophe.

Maybe more straight guys will unload in another guy's ass instead of risking getting a bitch pregnant.

R57: Causal reasoning is different from being able to demonstrate causation.

Encores should try Mame

Because I agree with R62 I won't point out his failure to understand the apostrophe

r66 knows not what he preaches about. Par for the course, MAGA perpetual ignorance. Let me know when...

[Quote] Because I agree with [R62] I won't point out his failure to understand the apostrophe

As a stickler for punctuation, I’m horrified. Sadly it was autocorrect, which I didn’t, in turn, correct.

There is no way to prove causation in this case. So a very strong correlation is what we rely on.

[QUOTE][R57]: Causal reasoning is different from being able to demonstrate causation.

Please tell us more, dear sir!

You get what you get.

How do equations "reason," r66?

And I'm still waiting for your interpretation of all of the variables introduced into those regression equations and SEM.

You're a guy with a podcast, so that must mean you have expertise to explain complicated statistical models and the mathematics behind the claims, correct?

This is getting tedious.

Because you are stupid and cannot understand smarter people, r76. Do you like all the right wing numb-chucks lingering upthread?

[quote]Encores should try Mame

When was the last successful production of Two Gentlemen of Verona?

R77, your anger is scary.

In Missouri we voted to overturn the abortion ban and the majority voted for Republican candidates. Fat fucking lot of good it did to vote to overturn the ban and elect the very people who want to reinstate it. People won't wake up. I told my idiot Trumper neighbor to check that her doors and windows are locked because someone tried to break into my house in the middle of the night, her immediate response was "Oh I need to pray for the entire neighborhood".

Why would you leave? I am asking naively; I honestly don't know: Is abortion a main source of income for OB-GYNs in the US? Or is it because they fear getting sued if a treatment results in an abortion (as can happen in Poland)? Anyway, it's not in the best interest of your patients.

R81, anti-abortion laws don't only affect abortion but even pregnancy complications, usually treated by abortion, but now OB/GYNs can't intervene until the pregnant woman is a death's door. Any earlier, and the doc could face prison.

Why would you want to practice in that crazy legal atmosphere? One wrong move (and wrong is purposely ill-defined to keep docs afraid) and you'll lose your license and go to jail?

[quote] Anyway, it's not in the best interest of your patients.

The laws aren't in the best interest of your patients. Yet here we are

Just wait til birth control is banned.

It's ok. We'll just make, sell, and buy more guns. More guns will solve everything!

[quote]Just wait til birth control is banned.

I see a continued chipping away of insurers to pay birth control and pressure on doctors to limit prescriptions, all backed by SCOTUS, of course. Not to say that they wouldn't like to ban it, but the current push seems to make it harder to get/more expensive because insurers won't pay for it.

Insurances should reconsider paying for birth control as they will not love paying for hospitalizations and sequela for sepsis or for coverage of a baby with a birth defect like Trisomy 21 or worse.

That’s a problem for the future. They have current stock prices to care about.

[quote] Is abortion a main source of income for OB-GYNs in the US?

No. Believe it or not, despite Republican rhetoric in which you'd think women were waking up and asking themselves "Should I get my nails done or kill my fetus today?", abortion is rare in terms of medical procedures. And in particular, late-term abortion is exceedingly rare; about 0.3% of all abortions occur in the third trimester, and those are performed because there is no other choice to save the life of the mother. Clearly, if the fetus is viable and they can successfully birth the child [italic]and[/italic] save the mother's life, they do. There is no such thing as "partial-birth" or "post-birth" abortion. And while I'm sure you could find one doctor somewhere who would perform a late term abortion with no other justification than the woman simply deciding she didn't want to give birth, those doctors are not going to be practicing for long as that procedure is in direct violation of the oath that doctors take to do no harm. Not to mention illegal, even before Dobbs.

Abortion services are 3% of what Planned Parenthood does. The 97% of the rest of their healthcare services will be or have been lost to politics, so women are not getting contraception, cancer screenings, and basic healthcare that were it established under almost any other circumstance, would delight the Republicans. They provide subsidized (mostly by private donors; but Trump famously gave PP money, as did Mitt Romney because at some point Republicans thought providing healthcare to women was a good thing) healthcare to poor women at no cost to the government. What little tax money that goes to PP is so highly vetted that it's just ridiculous. And tragic.

We had a working compromise. Republicans blew it up for nothing more than political points, but the dog has caught the car, so to speak. Infant and maternal mortality has skyrocketed. Pregnancy has now become a high-risk endeavor. Families are deciding not to risk it and birthrates are already falling. And we haven't seen anything yet.

So be it.

Abortion was always a stalking horse for fascism. Same with gay and trans issues. To quote something that’s in the zeitgeist: The best way to bring folks together is to give them a real good enemy.

If the worker is mad that the undocumented immigrant is getting paid $2 under the table, he doesn’t notice that the corporation is actually the one benefitting from cheap labor.

We’re in the Fuck Around, Find Out phase of the American Experiment, and I’m enjoying watching it burn.

R83 I agree. You're preaching to the choir.

Imagine if they banned ED drugs -- I am guessing the Retardlicans would shit several bricks

Boner pills are used by men, so of course banning them is out of the question r92

Wet pussies are anathema to conservatives, so be prepared for lube bans

[quote]Strong correlation points to causation. The Freakonomics folks are economists and statisticians, This pattern has not been disproven at all. In fact, as time has gone on, and new data gathered, their conclusion has gotten stronger.

It is one of the most basic principles of stastics that correlation is NOT causation.

[quote]correlation is NOT NECESSARILY a sign of causation.

FIFY

I have no problem with welfare for kids born with disabilities. But I think the parents who dump them should be punished or required to pay for them.

[quote] It's easy to say fuck Texas, but there are a lot of women [who] didn't ask for this.

Texas is holding itself up as the paradigm of the right’s vision for America. It is totally controlled by Republicans. Therefore, whatever fails in Texas is a victory for those who oppose Republican rule.

A new trend for mama bears of disabled kids is to monetize their suffering by creating an Instagram showcasing their lives. You know, doctor appointments, feeding the disabled child, their living DH breaking down in manly tears, the mama bear breaking down in tears, the family praying over the disabled child obviously in terrible pain, fetishizing the disabled child to a sickening degree, and linking a GFM type of thing.

Expect to see many more of these grifters on social media soon.

If you missed it, Trump is putting Kash Patel in charge of the FBI. Do you think any red-state OB-GYN has a fucking chance now? I would leave any red state if I were an OB-GYN and move to the blue states. This is bad news for the show Married to Medicine where two of the main cast are OB-GYNs.

Can you imagine being investigated by the FBI for just being an OB-GYN?

R81, they don’t want to be arrested. It’s unreasonable to expect someone to take that chance.

[quote] It is one of the most basic principles of stastics that correlation is NOT causation.

Another basic statistical principle is that, when once can never prove causation, strong correlation provides strong clues as to what is actually happening.