Charles: Sad Last Days

Glad she stayed home to get better. She was coughing all over the guests last week.

Many of the eldergays may remember that media reports of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother’s sad last days began sometime around her 75 birthday (when she began her annual ritual of fracturing hips and choking on fishbones) and were still being confidently predicted when she was planning her 101st birthday.

Charles frequently looks tired, but he also seems to be more popular and more fulfilled than he has ever been and given the extraordinary longevity of his parents, he could well reign for another decade or two.

R2

He doesnt look great but hasnt a royal tour by Charles and Camilla just been announced or alluded to for next year? Thats a big undertaking if hes on his deathbed

R4

Charles may live long or not. I don't recall his parents or his grand mother developing cancer at this age. But Charles strikes me as someone who is so happy and fulfilled r ight now that he will "die with his boots on." If he travels and dies in a foreign country so be it. He is going to King until his very last breath.

r6 I think it was revealed years later in authorised royal biographies and tv documentaries that the Queen Mother , his grandmother had cancer in her thirties?

[quote]Camilla couldn't make it because of her smoker's chest infection.

Oh? Is that how they're describing lung cancer nowadays?

He does not look terrible.He actually looks pretty good and I’m not a big fan of those ‘’royal people’’

He’s fine.

Yikes - he really doesn't look well at all.

I will say that I'm glad for him that he finally got to be king, no matter for how short a time it may turn out to be. It was literally the sole raison d'etre for his life.

They're starting to look like the Japanese royal family.

The older he gets, he looks like he’s outgrown his Windsor genes and is looking positively Hanoverian.

R13 You don't really have an understanding of genetics, do you?

What would the protocol be if he is given a terminal diagnosis? As the head of state, would be be obliged to inform the public?

R15 What are you talking about? Tell me a single country on the planet where the Head of State is obliged to disclose their medical situation.

R15 = Donald Trump

He's fine!

He sends his largesse!

Do you mean his Windsor Jeans, r13?

I think he's looking a lot more like mummy these days! Maybe he'll live as long as she did! (and I loved that old bag!)

He looks like he's wearing foundation and lipstick at OP's photo.

I see that SA is as incisive about the BRF as she was about USA elections.

Bless her heart.

We are fine. We send our sincere love.

[quote]What are you talking about?

It seems fairly obvious to me - I'm asking a question.

[quote]Tell me a single country on the planet where the Head of State is obliged to disclose their medical situation.

I'm not aware of situation where this has occurred. Hence the question.

I think it is reasonable question to ask that if a head of state receives a diagnosis where they going to go into terminal decline, is there an obligation to inform the public?

Heads of state are not private individuals. They play a key role in the function of government. Whether the public has the right to know is a fair question to ask and a valid discussion to have.

He had a hot ass, but it belonged to Diana. And she died.

Karma

He looks like an alcoholic.

r4 To India

Last Monday I took a tour of Windsor castle. I stood one foot away from QEII's grave all alone. There was a single flower on it. I felt like part of history. No pictures allowed unfortunately. I wouldn't trade anything for that.

[quote] Charles may live long or not.

It's daring predictions like this that keep bringing me back to this site!

R23, the British monarch is regarded as having a right to a degree of privacy regarding their health. In fact,, Charles has been much more open than his predecessors about his health.

I’ve attached an article about the last hospital stay of Queen Elizabeth II. You can see that it is very discreet, merely saying that she was kept in overnight and had seen specialists, but it evinces a remarkable lack of journalistic curiosity about the actual reason for the stay. Given that she was almost certainly suffering from advanced cancer, the restraint is remarkable.

Since the early 20th century, however, the Palace has at least prepared the public for the sovereign’s death. In the case of george V, there was a famous statement issued that “the King’s life is moving peacefully towards its close”. In fact, the close of the King’s life was probably helped on his deathbed by a large fatal injection of painkilling meds administered by his personal physician, Lord Dawson.

And in the case of Elizabeth II, there was a statement issued that the Queen’s doctors were concerned at the state of her health. This statement was very understated, but the fact that it was made at all meant that the public was prepared for the announcement of her death when it came a few hours later.

[quote] Last Monday I took a tour of Windsor castle. I stood one foot away from QEII's grave all alone. There was a single flower on it. I felt like part of history. No pictures allowed unfortunately. I wouldn't trade anything for that.

MARY.

R31 it really is one of the most Mary comments I've read on the DL in a long, long time.

R2 Jesus, are you one of those annoying twats who insisted QE2 was FINE during those last few months of her life, when it was obvious she was rapidly going downhill, constantly proclaiming, "well, the Queen Mother lived to be over 100 and Phillip nearly 100 so she'll be around another DECADE!!!"

He looks more and more like Mr. Burns.

[quote] think it was revealed years later in authorised royal biographies and tv documentaries that the Queen Mother , his grandmother had cancer in her thirties?

I think it’s being reported for the first time here

It was in her sixties r35 according to Google rather than her 30s so I got the age wrong but not the fact she did have cancer which was revealed years later.

Because she wasn’t then or ever head of state. No one cared.

r37 That was not my point. If you look upthread the original post I was replying to said at r6 that his grandmother never had cancer at this age and I was pointing out that she did.

r37 Also the Queen Mother was hugely popular back in the day and people would definitely have been interested and cared.

The Queen Mother was and is beloved, deservedly. And I say this as someone who hopes the monarchy is abolished.

Blah blah

That is fine because he looks like the Queen’s Mother

[quote] He looks terrible at tonight's Royal Variety Show

So would you if you had to sit through that lineup.

That’s how they treat their dying king, with this list of dreck? Were they trying to finish him off?

[quote]If he travels and dies in a foreign country so be it.

No, so don't be it here in America.

If he has any plans to travel here in the near future, change those plans. If he croaks here while Trump is President, Trump and his officials will have no idea about proper behavior, protocol and what to do with the corpse. He just might take it upon himself to bury Chuck on his golfcourse in NJ.

Alan Carr and that twat Amanda Holden would come to the opening of a jam jar these days.

[quote]Last Monday I took a tour of Windsor castle. I stood one foot away from QEII's grave all alone. There was a single flower on it. I felt like part of history. No pictures allowed unfortunately. I wouldn't trade anything for that.

Now tell us about your lonely travels to pay respects to Diana, buried on an island in the ornamental swamp - errr, make that 'pond' - at Althorp Park !

[quote] Forde referenced the unfounded claims Mr Trump repeated during his presidential debate against Democrat candidate Kamala Harris earlier this year, that illegal immigrants from Haiti were eating locals’ pets in the small Ohio city of Springfield.

[quote] Forde exclaimed in the president-elect’s voice: “They’re eating the cats, they’re eating the dogs!”

[quote] He then turned to address Charles from the stage, saying in Mr Trump’s voice: “Your Majesty King Charles, you’re named after a spaniel – be very careful, they’ll eat you alive.”

[quote] The King was seen laughing in response to the joke from the royal box.

Charles: Would death really be so bad?

And I always get the giggles in Peter ad Vincula.

[quote] The Queen Mother was and is beloved, deservedly. And I say this as someone who hopes the monarchy is abolished.

I’m not attacking your position but I am curious how Charles has conducted himself as king that is so different from how the Queen Mother behaved. Both had their pluses and minuses.

Granny was fortified by her G & T's and did quite well. We joked that she had discovered the cure for cancer.

Not r40. R50 - Wartime made all the difference. The Queen Mother's actions during WWII endeared her to the general population.

She stayed in London rather than retreating to the relative safety of Windsor or Sandringham, visited bombed out working class neighborhoods, and actually was in Buckingham Palace and close to an impact site when it was bombed. She famously said "I am glad we have been bombed. Now we can look the East End in the eye." Charles could never match this during peacetime.

R52 She was an alchy, and had no idea what she was saying half the time since she was sloshed.

She got the job done, booze or no booze. Don't fuck with results.

R52. That is what I was driving at. It’s really largely a matter of circumstances. If WWII happens, I would wager Charles would behave similarly. He’s kept his cool In the past when under physical threat.

You have to take a balanced view of the Queen Mother, as well. She was very much on the appeasement side before the war happened.

It did happen, last century.

I read somewhere t hat when she and t he King visited the bombed out neighborhoods, a citizen remarked to the Queen that she had got all dressed up to visit them, apologizing for his shabby attire, and she said, Well, if you came to my house to visit me, you'd get dressed up too wouldn't you!" and they loved her for that.

He couldn't rise to the occasion of his first marriage. Quit overestimating him.

It has always amazed me how very little some of these Royals have to do to win the hearts of their "subjects."

QE just had a better way with people than KC does.

Liz was famously terrible with people. She was just able to keep them at arms length through rigid protocol and people accepted it but thats not really an option for Charles or William.

I think people take more to a woman in the role.

r28 is the new darling of the DL!

Thank you r31 & r32 for highlighting that. I am imagining r28 to be a Margo Martindale in Paris, Je T'aime type....

For those who don't know what r63 is talking about, the delightful Alexander Payne short is at the link.

Hitler called the Queen Mother (then Queen Elizabeth) "the most dangerous woman in Europe."

The last person you should be quoting about anything …

He’s always struck me as a very nice guy. A fancy pants and completely spoiled, but a genuinely decent guy living in other worldly circumstances. Even Diana seems to have forgiven him and wanted to be friends with him before she died.

I think he’ll be remembered well for his leadership on environmental issues and the Prince’s Trust. Even Harry didn’t rip him to shreds in his book—just noted he was out of his depth as a father and tried his best up until Meghan poisoned the well.

On DL he’d be the bitchy “tasteful friends” troll of all time. Get real. He’s a dour sourpuss among pusses.

The two incidents with the pens and inkwell(s) turned me off from him. He should have been able to handle both incidents with a little bit of grace.

I remember feeling that way in front of Harlow's Crypt in the Great Mausoleum at Forest Lawn Glendale in 1995.

I think the private Charles went public at that moment. r69.

I saw dead flowers at MJ’s box of ashes in Gelendale. Do I get a prize.

Glendale ^

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[quote]I saw dead flowers at MJ’s box of ashes in Gelendale. Do I get a prize.

Grammarly.

Grsmmarly is a made up word, but thanks. Bless your heart.

“What is taking so long?”

[quote] I think the private Charles went public at that moment.

To be fair, his mother had just died, and he had to enter the busiest and most stressful part of his reign. You might not be the picture of grace in such a situation.

Nonetheless, peevishness and whingeing are two of his known weaknesses. He’s hardly alone in having faults.

His mother did better through worse, so there's that.

R79. Possibly. She also wasn’t being filmed at the ceremonies that followed her father’s death.

No, but she was when her sister, mother and husband died.

[quote] To be fair, his mother had just died, and he had to enter the busiest and most stressful part of his reign.

Someone will always chime in with this remark (about Charles' pen tantrums).

How did he celebrate his birthday last week ?

I loved the pen tantrums. To hear him swear with that fabulously posh accent.. A treat.

And KC looked fine last night. Here he is meeting with Auntie Elton, sans molar. This pic is just so very BRITISH.

[quote]. I bet you were on television for a week straight when your mother died. You are the expert

He was literally prepared his whole life for this. It's his JOB.

If anyone is interested in the very special hell that is a Royal Variety Show, there are quite a few on YouTube..

Look, it’s certainly legitimate to ask whether the monarchy should continue because it’s really no longer considered humane to ask someone to serenely go through what Charles was asked to do. But criticising someone for some pretty minor irritation when his mother had died when you have never, ever been asked to do anything remotely similar makes you come across as a serious, serious dick.

Yes, he has a job. One that he had no realistic choice in and from which he would be retired in most circumstances.

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Actually, they’re both rotting in their graves. If you want to make it into a contest, I don’t think they are exactly tue winners.

Some of you are confusing the Queen Mother with QE II

People need the monarchy, for the same reason they need religion. They want some magic in their dull lives.

What happened to Elton's molar? Couldn't he have put a temporary cap in the gap? He can definitely afford an implant.

[quote] But criticising someone for some pretty minor irritation when his mother had died when you have never, ever been asked to do anything remotely similar makes you come across as a serious, serious dick.

MARY. I guess nobody can ever judge Charles because no one has ever been heir to the throne.

Lots of us have had parents drop dead suddenly or suffer from long illnesses, with way less money to ease the pain.

[quote]He looks like he's wearing foundation and lipstick at OP's photo

He hired Trump’s mortician to do his makeup.

R94. Yeah. But I imagine you didn’t have spend a week on television from the moment she died. Being really dense is often part of being a dick.

You’re free to criticise him. Especially if he does something actually harmful. I guess nobody can criticise you when you are being a dick?

You know Charles was managed his entire life and always told he had to be perfect, he was going to be king and he could not ever fuck up. He was strictly raised in a manner we can't even imagine. Over managed. He is an emotional high strung man who was never allowed to express his emotions as a kid. He was always trying to please Mummy and Daddy. Granny was his only respite. She was f un. when I saw him lose it with the pen, I just felt sad for him. He was a wreck that we ek trying to get everything right and micro managing staff to make sure everything was as it should be. So I don't read anything bad into his little fits. It is typical behavior for anyone who is brainwashed into believing he had to be perfect all his life. His entire childhood was spent worrying about whether he'd fuck up. Living that every day had to be difficult.

Bless her heart. Such travails!

R97 many have dealt with much worse with more grace

Everything but the corgis snapping at his rear end.

Poor Charles!

The queen smoked too, OP.

There are many photos where her smoker’s lines are visible around and above her upper lip. She also, allegedly, threw back plenty of cocktails starting at lunchtime.

Sounds to me that she knew how to have a good time!

R97: The royals were always brought up that way. Elizabeth certainly, and she seemed able to carry it off in a way that Chuck never has, let alone his horrible siblings. Anne seems like the one who eventually learned the right lessons could be a decent monarch.

The Queen wasn't into food. Prince Phillip liked good food.

There's a YouTube channel, Darren O'Grady. He was chef for QE and then Diana. He said that the Queen ate to live (not lived to eat).

The big difference with QE is she spent almost her entire youth never suspecting she'd ever be Queen of England.

A very different upbringing.

SNL will do a sketch when all three of them are in heaven.

"There were three of us in the afterlife....."

R102 What evidence is there that the Queen smoked, apart from your fevered imagination?

Also it's well documented what the Queen would drink each day. She was hardly having a bottle of vodka for breakfast.

[quote]The big difference with QE is she spent almost her entire youth never suspecting she'd ever be Queen of England.

She was the heir apparent and even appeared on the cover of Time for her 3rd birthday. It was well-known that David, the Prince of Wales was not exactly up to his destiny and many doubted he'd ever produce an heir. So, yes her life changed dramatically at age 11, but she was as prepared as any of her predecessors were at that age.

She was never heir apparent. Her right to the throne could always have been superseded by the birth of a son to George VI. She was heir presumptive from 1936 until 1952.

Yes, the queen was brought up that way and was never an innovator, but Charles was always the square peg trying to fit into the round hole. As an adult he was always fighting against frustration and impatience. WTF. It was such an unimportant incident, it's hardly worth all the comment it has excited on DL. Charles himself joked about it. I was simply giving context to my own speculation based on what I have read about him and his relationship with parents.

If we want to comment, we'll comment. That's what this board is for.

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[quote]She was heir presumptive from 1936 until 1952

Yes, r109, you are exactly right. I mistyped. Thank you.

R105 is an idiot.

Yes, because there was a real chance of them having a third child🫨

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QEII didn't smoke. She hated smoking and knew it had killed her father.

She made Philip quit smoking before marriage.

Do you really think when Elton looks at himself in the mirror, he notices that gap in his teeth when he thinks his "hair" looks just fine?

However did QEII abide Princess Margaret's constant smoking?

In addition to the top, left molar (missing), Elton's got a lot of teeth missing on the bottom left quadrant of this mouth. He may think that because he's got his front teeth in order, that people won't notice the back teeth. But when you smile that wide, people can see.

Charles does seem a bit more cultured and socially and environmentally aware than most of the other royals. He would probably have made a decent MP. I imagine Elizabeth, Anne and co. embraced the "work" aspect of the job like cutting ribbons and shaking hands while Charles ideally wants to give speeches talking about sustainability and other issues he thinks are important. Whereas Elizabeth would visit somewhere and talk to the townsfolk about how it rained on her last visit 4 years ago, Charles would enquire about how the local community garden is going and how climate change is impacting local farmers.

QEII wasn't an intellectual....at all. The only things she read was the reports she got in her daily boxes. She was always, at heart, a VERY well bred country squire with a lot of money who would have been very content living quietly on her massive country estate breeding horses and going to horse related events. She had a keen interest in her holdings and art and jewels, etc but seemingly not much interest in art in general and zero interest in the performing arts though she enjoyed seeing things on the telly. She was a bit of a bore.

I think Anne actually reads and has varied interests though obviously she's also a horse crazed nut as well.

Charles is horsey but he is interested in a wide variety of things. He has natural curiousity and an interest in making the world a better place.

Charles made mistakes (who doesn't) but he was pressured into marriage to someone he shouldn't have married.

He's a far more interesting and involved King than Liz was a Queen.

Comparing QEII's first years as monarch in the early 1950s to Charles in the early 2020s,70 years later, is unfair. It's a different world and England is a different country.

QE was probably more boring on a one-on-one basis. KG is probably more interesting, on a one-on-one or intimate basis.

HOWEVER, QE was, IMO, simply more "photogenic" as a public figure. Charles may have an internal life that just doesn't translate to his public persona.

Charles looks terrible, he's always looked like an alcoholic (he drinks too much)

Hopefully the cancer kills him and his slag nicotine wife.

Charles and the monarchy are fine. No matter how unpopular they get the government of the day will be hated more

I can’t imagine having to wait 70 fucking years for this when a few hundred years ago your dad gets sick and dies when you’re 19.

Here's some good gossip: I just heard from some very reliable palace gossip that Charles recently demanded Fergie come see him to hatch a plot to get Prince Andrew out of his royal abode. But Andrew has gotten funds from Qatar to stay put and isn't going anywhere.

The enmity between William and Harry is nowhere near that of Charles and Andrew at this point in time.

Didn't King Edward also have to wait as long for Queen Victoria to die before he could ascend the throne? But at least Edward had fun while waiting.

R128 was born with a todger

[quote]In addition to the top, left molar (missing), Elton's got a lot of teeth missing on the bottom left quadrant of this mouth. He may think that because he's got his front teeth in order, that people won't notice the back teeth. But when you smile that wide, people can see.

I had a friend who was a singer who said that false teeth, or implants that didn't fit well, affected the way they sang so they avoided them.

Seems like missing teeth would also affect your singing. Also, if he knows he's not going to be called upon to sing, he could slip on a denture.

He’s fine…

I think thanks to Charles, the entire Royal family has had to step up and do a better job of staying informed. I think a deliberate decision was taken for them to get briefing books and lectures and consultations about the things in which they are involved so they can do more than cut a ribbon and say, "when I was here 4 years ago it rained!" I think your analysis is spot on R121. Yes they still do the ribbon cuttings and so forth, observing anniversaries of various institution, but for example, Katherine has made the whole Well Child thing her mission and has taken the effort to really stay informed, etc. on that issue. I think it's also true for Sophie and Edward, and William. Maybe Anne is less disposed, but I also see her making an effort to stay informed and up to date. Camilla certainly does. I like this modern iteration of the Royals. Now Gloucester and Kent still do the less "taxing" events but all of them seem to have more substance. I also got the impression from what I have read and observed over the years, that in Elizabeth II 's generation and in previous generations the upper classes and certainly the nobility were not intellectuals. If they leaned that way they suppressed it, because it was frowned up.

I have to say this. How come we rarely ever see members of the Royal Family out and about being normal? OK. We sometimes will see a photo of William and Catherine walking down a street or in a store or even driving the car. But even those seem just a little bit staged. And we rarely see most of the others, doing every d ay things. This was also true in Elizabeth's II Time. A glimpse of them driving or being driven and that was it. Is it to maintain the "mystery?" Is it to keep a distance between them and ordinary mortals?

They are not normal, that’s my—they’re abbynormal

Do you think QEII ever rode the tube ....just so she could experience what it was like? Walked through the tunnels and rode the escalators? Has Charles done that? I'd think they'd be curious, if nothing else.

She farted. I have said this before. People thought I was joking. I wasn't. She farted in public, and would sometimes blame Prince Phillip.

She did. When a new line was opened.

Just die already!!!

R137 Edward was pictured taking the tube a while back and chatting to other passengers. It wasn’t a photo op, he apparently has travelled on the tube in the past occasionally.

Diana definitely travelled on a regular train, with her security of course,

Sorry, I can't imagine it was possible for Diana to have ridden the tube (or even casually walk down the street in London) once she became Princess Di.

The Queen never smoked. She lived to be 96.

Princess Margaret smoked. She died at just 71 after years of ill health.

[quote]I loved the pen tantrums.

Me too! They were like a real-life Monty Python skit!

I think he looks a bit thin - not so red-faced & jowly as usual, but he is an old guy probably up past his bedtime, so there's that.

In heaven, Diana is laughing

MARY.

Ain’t nothing MARY about that, sweetums

r134 I'm mot sure that was down to Prince Charles. Princess Anne has always kept herself well briefed on the issues, work of charities that she represents or knowledge relevant to any public engagement she goes too. I know several people who have dealt with hee at these appointments, including a carers charity in Merseyside and everyone attests to how detailed her knowledge is. She has never just rolled up for engagements.

R134 yes you are correct, Anne is well known to be hugely knowledgable about the charities she represents.

Fun fact, like most people in the public eye when carrying out her engagements Anne has a rider, hers consists of a single can of cold Coke.

R142 I was not talking about the tube I was talking about the trains that run throughout the country. When I was young I used to work on them and served her at her table a couple of times. She was very friendly.

He's fine! He sends his love.

r150, traveling on a train is no big deal.

I hope Charles has a good number of years left, for everybody's sake (himself, Will and Kate, even Harry).