AOC dropping the TEA on Nancy Mace
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @aoc.bsky.social · 1h
Post Hidden by Muted Word Hide Fwiw she is pretty widely disliked even by her GOP colleagues. She’s all over the place. Messy. Fights with them too.
This is the most attention she has gotten in ages despite her many attempts, hence the differences in tack some have taken in this whole brouhaha. She really craves it. It’s weird
by Anonymous | reply 149 | November 26, 2024 5:12 PM
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After Jan 6th I privately confronted Mace for lying about my story bc she too was terrified in her office.
I said as another assault survivor you know how harmful what you did is. Why? She said “whatever you know it’s a game, just points on the board”
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 1 | November 21, 2024 10:56 PM
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Didn't Nancy Mace also fake some graffiti or vandalism at her house? I seem to vaguely remember something about that.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | November 21, 2024 11:05 PM
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Methinks AOC is getting jealous, because people online are exclaiming how hot Nancy Mace is.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | November 21, 2024 11:07 PM
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R4 is blocked for previous cuntery, so this tracks.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | November 21, 2024 11:10 PM
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I fucks with AOC. Truly principled. She might be the first female president one day.
On another note, I bet you Nancy Mace’s obsession with trans is personal. These people live in grievances. Some bro she was interested in probably clocked a tranny instead of her at a bar in her younger years or an ex boyfriend had a secret trans porn fetish.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | November 21, 2024 11:26 PM
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Blocking anyone is so damn junior high.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | November 21, 2024 11:33 PM
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Who the fuck are you to say? Like I give a fuck what some rando queen on the internet I'll never meet who can't mind their own business thinks.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | November 21, 2024 11:35 PM
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R7, please name one piece of legislature AOC has put forth that Congress has passed. She's a do-nothing attention-seeker. She did manage to make it to the Met Gala a few years back though. So principled.
Mace is a rape survivor. She said today no "penis" would be allowed anywhere near women and girls spaces. I think she needs therapy because I don't think she's dealing with it very well. The few times I've seen her speak she always mentions being a rape survivor and equates it with her current situation ie Sarah McBride using the Women's bathroom when she comes to Congress in Jan.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | November 21, 2024 11:38 PM
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Then block me too, Mr. Wonderful..
by Anonymous | reply 11 | November 21, 2024 11:38 PM
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Done and done. Not much to miss given your posting history.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | November 21, 2024 11:44 PM
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[Quote] please name one piece of legislature AOC has put forth that Congress has passed.
Here’s all the legislation AOC has been involved with
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 13 | November 21, 2024 11:56 PM
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[Quote] Mace is a rape survivor. She said today no "penis" would be allowed anywhere near women and girls spaces.
But fine supporting a rapist as president.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | November 21, 2024 11:57 PM
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More detailed info on AOC’s work on Congressional bills
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 15 | November 22, 2024 12:02 AM
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Say what you want about AOC's opinions, but she works HARD for her constituents.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 16 | November 22, 2024 12:04 AM
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r6 Same. And I think I only have 2 people blocked.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | November 22, 2024 12:04 AM
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r7 "I fucks with AOC."
Who writes like that? And don't give us some fucking AAVE whatever bullshit. You are seriously a fucking retard.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | November 22, 2024 12:06 AM
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[quote]please name one piece of legislature AOC has put forth that Congress has passed.
Oh, dear.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | November 22, 2024 12:06 AM
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R18 People don’t write like that when they are writing college essays or NYT editorials. But people of my generation DO speak like that. Did you really think I was going to classy it up for DL. Get with the times, gramps.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | November 22, 2024 12:08 AM
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r20 Yes, I'm "gramps" at 36 yrs old. NO ONE who has graduated high school, and works anywhere outside a toll booth speaks/writes like that. You are either truly retarded, or thinking you are being funny mocking those that were unfortunate enough to have been removed from school far prior to graduation.
"I fucks with AOC." - seriously. No one expects a thesis, but you are intentionally writing like a moron for... attention? Sorry I gave it to you. I'm sure you're quite happy now. Carry on, dimwit.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | November 22, 2024 12:10 AM
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Wait a minute, R21, we know how to speak and write properly!
by Anonymous | reply 22 | November 22, 2024 12:20 AM
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Well I do, and am college educated and from NYC/DC. You should stop using the word retard. That’s not politically correct.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | November 22, 2024 12:20 AM
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R114, I wasn't defending her, I'm just stating what I know about her which isn't much.
Sorry, R19. LEGISLATION. The auto fill-in wants what it wants.
R123, I thought you were threatening to jump off a California bridge a few months ago. You do get around.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | November 22, 2024 12:23 AM
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R24 Apparently you do too you psychic whore because you responding to multiple comments in the future.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | November 22, 2024 12:25 AM
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Mace is a Gym Jordan defender. She ignores the fact that multiple former Ohio State athletes and former wrestling referee have said Gymmie Boy was covering for sexual assaulter Richard Strauss. The referee said that Strauss was masturbating in front of him in a shower.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | November 22, 2024 12:26 AM
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r10 Nothing personal, but you seem like a misinformed idiot.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | November 22, 2024 12:28 AM
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r25 *You're responding"... not "you responding"
by Anonymous | reply 28 | November 22, 2024 12:28 AM
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When all else fails, become a grammar Nazi. Carry on cunt. I’m done with you.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | November 22, 2024 12:30 AM
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r29 Yay! Good girl, you made 3 complete, adult-sounding sentences. Bravo!
by Anonymous | reply 30 | November 22, 2024 12:35 AM
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R27, I would implore you to look up AOC's record or should I say non-record. She was the laughingstock of Congress with her Green New Deal a few years ago and reintroducing it in 2024 just shows she hasn't learned to read the room. She is a media personality. Nothing more nothing less. But thank you for providing facts to back up your claim.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | November 22, 2024 12:36 AM
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They say condescension causes wrinkles. You don’t wanna be walking round in these streets looking like Aaron Rodgers now. #Helpful.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | November 22, 2024 12:37 AM
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r31 You're trying so hard. Bless your heart.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | November 22, 2024 12:38 AM
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[quote] I bet you Nancy Mace’s obsession with trans is personal.
It's all an act. It wasn't that long ago when the bitch was considered an LGBTQ ally. She's just another version of Lady Lindsey Graham. She's saying whatever she thinks will get her ahead in politics.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 35 | November 22, 2024 12:44 AM
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She seemed to appear more moderate before. Now she’s straight up MAGA and if you call out on anything… “she was a victim of rape.”
by Anonymous | reply 36 | November 22, 2024 12:48 AM
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Don’t they have a private bathroom in their office?
by Anonymous | reply 37 | November 22, 2024 12:54 AM
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Wasn't she originally in a more moderate district? That would account for the nicer stance on LGBTQ. Now she can be free to be her true MAGA cunt self.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | November 22, 2024 12:57 AM
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Methinks desperately about Ted Cruz taking a big, steaming smelly shit in my mouth.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | November 22, 2024 1:05 AM
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How does Mace know Sarah McBride still has a penis? Did Mace do a crotch grab?
Inquiring minds want to know.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | November 22, 2024 1:18 AM
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R37 They do. Mace just wants to see McBride suffer by limiting her access to bathrooms in other parts of the Capitol.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | November 22, 2024 1:20 AM
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[quote] She seemed to appear more moderate before. Now she’s straight up MAGA and if you call out on anything… “she was a victim of rape.”
I think she's using the "victim of rape" as a crutch. Gretchen Whitmer doesn't even talk about being a rape victim as much as Mace does.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | November 22, 2024 1:21 AM
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R33, you've made numerous comments in this thread - all of them mocking or correcting another poster. You obviously have nothing of substance to offer. It would seem discussing the merits of mac & cheese is more your speed, bless your heart.
R36, yes, she also mentioned it when she said Michael Eric Dyson sent her a supposedly flirty text.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | November 22, 2024 1:23 AM
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Why do these people debase themselves and act like absolute ghouls? And it’s not just on the MAGA side of the aisle. It seems like all politicians take zany public stances that they clearly don’t actually believe or espouse in private. Anybody with a decent education can make a better salary as a lawyer in private practice or even as a skilled tradesman than serving in Congress.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | November 22, 2024 1:32 AM
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You’re going to be hard-pressed to find American women who think a man should be in a woman’s bathroom. Democrats are again showing why Americans aren’t voting for them. This is a losing issue.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | November 22, 2024 1:36 AM
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r45 has no problem with women bleeding out in parking lots.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | November 22, 2024 1:41 AM
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R45, if I encountered you in a bathroom I’d flush you right down
by Anonymous | reply 47 | November 22, 2024 2:24 AM
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Shout out your MAGA Pride loud and long, r45!
by Anonymous | reply 48 | November 22, 2024 3:04 AM
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So many blocked posters in this thread. 🚫
by Anonymous | reply 49 | November 22, 2024 5:47 AM
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Here's AOC's Bluesky account. She's openly said she's dropping the real gossip there instead of Twitter because the crowd can handle it.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 50 | November 22, 2024 3:30 PM
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[quote]She seemed to appear more moderate before. Now she’s straight up MAGA and if you call out on anything… “she was a victim of rape.”
It’s no different than Progressives who reply with some combination of “genocde”, “racism”, or “transphobia” when they’re called out on illogical positions.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | November 22, 2024 3:41 PM
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R4 must be widely hated because I ALSO have him/her/it blocked.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | November 22, 2024 5:55 PM
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r4 is also:
*The opening to "Laverne & Shirley" was pretty sad*
[quote][quote]I miss the American sunshiny optimism in the face of adversity and even bleakness.
[quote]Conservatives are still like that -- optimistic and hard-working.
[quote]How do you think they've been able to survive through the decades against the liberal Hollywood/Broadway/print media/MSM propaganda machine on the left?
[quote]Thanks to the internet, the right found a way to combat that twenty years ago.
[quote]And now that social media is king, Republicans have the upper hand, while the Democrats' legacy media is gong extinct.
[quote]Which will finally give them reason to be miserable.
[quote]Liberals are generally a gloomy bunch, especially the farther left they go.
[quote]It's no wonder that since the radicals took over Hollywood in the 2010s, movies/shows have gotten ugly and pessimistic and dystopian.
[quote]That's because they're atheists who believe we're all alone in the universe and it makes them feel vulnerable and scared.
[quote]Whereas conservatives believe in a higher power and thus feel safe and that someone's watching over them.
[quote]In short, conservatives are generally happy, optimistic, attractive, whereas liberals are generally unhappy, pessimistic, unattractive.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 54 | November 22, 2024 6:03 PM
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Arguing for men in women's bathrooms really isn't the vote winner that AOC thinks it is.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | November 22, 2024 6:11 PM
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Couldn't AOC drop something a bit heavier on Nancy Mace?
by Anonymous | reply 56 | November 22, 2024 6:13 PM
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R55, try harder with your trans-bashing misdirection.
AOC is sharing that it’s widely understood on Capitol Hill that Nancy Mace is a manipulative, cynical, disliked and difficult-to-work-with piece of shit. The post about Jan 6 in particular says it all.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | November 22, 2024 6:21 PM
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Keeping men out of women's bathrooms is not "trans bashing" - transmen are perfectly welcome in women's bathrooms and all other women's spaces. Nor is it misdirection when discussing this particular issue.
Yeah, Nancy Mace is so hard to work with that her proposal on banning men from women's bathrooms was accepted almost immediately - and by Sarah McBride himself.
AOC is well known for being a problematic individual. I mean, it's so impressive that she's attacking individuals for holding different positions from her.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | November 22, 2024 6:29 PM
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Really grateful to all of you who are finally standing up this bullshit. Enough is enough.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | November 22, 2024 6:31 PM
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Have any of you gone into a man's bathroom? They are disgusting! Unless you compare a woman's restroom to a man you won't believe how filthy the men's room is.
Please keep women's rooms safe and clean!
by Anonymous | reply 60 | November 22, 2024 7:00 PM
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I used to work at Wendy's when I was a kid and we oftentimes had to clean bathrooms. Without one single exception, the women's bathroom was nastier than the men's bathroom. And I mean, there was not one single exception. And I am not talking about a minor difference, either.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | November 22, 2024 7:13 PM
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Turns out all the Congresspeople have their own bathrooms. This is all for show.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | November 22, 2024 8:14 PM
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[quote] Yeah, Nancy Mace is so hard to work with that her proposal on banning men from women's bathrooms was accepted almost immediately
Um, because Mike Johnson is MAGA too. That's not proof it's a great idea.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | November 22, 2024 8:15 PM
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So how will the men feel when the new Congresswoman uses their bathroom.
The whole thing is idiotic. She should use the women's bathroom.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | November 22, 2024 8:16 PM
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R60 & R61 Can you both agree that at times, public restrooms may be dirty because people can be be gross pigs, regardless of gender.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | November 22, 2024 8:23 PM
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At my workplace, the women say their bathroom is utterly disgusting. They’ve found shit smeared on the stall walls. Toilets backed up from someone trying to flush chicken bones. Blood all over the place.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | November 22, 2024 8:41 PM
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^ sounds like a scene from a movie!
by Anonymous | reply 67 | November 22, 2024 8:44 PM
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McBride is a man, r64. Fake tits do not a woman make.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | November 22, 2024 8:56 PM
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Johnson declined to define what is a woman when asked by a journalist, r64.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | November 22, 2024 8:57 PM
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I'm not sure they all do, r62, because John Fetterman offered McBride to use his office bathroom, which means McBride, as a newbie wouldn't have one. Fetterman - a big hulking man who has no idea how physically imposing men can be for women - is a Senator and located in a different part of the building from McBride, so his generous offer is all for show.
Of course the point is that if nothing had been done McBride would have claimed the right to use women's bathrooms wherever in the House, thus esablishing the "rule" that men who claim to be women can use all the women's bathrooms in the building. And once that rule is established in the seat of the legislature it can be expanded anywhere. It's good of him to acknowledge that he's not really a woman though and not insist that he can use the women's bathrooms.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | November 22, 2024 9:07 PM
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R70 oh is that right. You bitches are slacking. John Fetterman looks like the type to be a tranny chaser.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | November 22, 2024 9:14 PM
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Didn't Nancy Mace's entire staff quit a while back because she was such a horrible cunt?
by Anonymous | reply 72 | November 22, 2024 9:28 PM
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Congressman Eric Sorensen says that no one likes Nancy
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 74 | November 23, 2024 12:47 AM
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Even my friend Julie thinks Nancy Mace is a mega cunt!
by Anonymous | reply 75 | November 23, 2024 1:12 AM
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[quote] has no problem with women bleeding out in parking lots.
Huh?
by Anonymous | reply 76 | November 23, 2024 1:15 AM
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Yikes!
When AOC calls out someone for needing a lot of attention....damn!
by Anonymous | reply 77 | November 23, 2024 1:42 AM
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Wow, r74, what a mature argument for men in women's bathrooms: "no one likes Nancy!" That's going to convince people that boys should play in girls' sports.
AOC feels she has to push back on this issue because the Democrats lost support because of it and it's become the symbol of everything that's wrong with the Democratic party today for many voters. Many in the party are starting to push back on this kind of extremism and this is a threat to AOC's position because she's so identified with it. So, she feels she has to react strongly otherwise her power base within the party will start to erode. The problem for her, however, is that even she knows that the tired, old slogans of "transwomen are women" and it's transphobia not to want men in women's bathrooms won't work anymore. Nor is it possible just to silence people anymore. So, all she can do is lash out. But, when she's resorting to ad hominem attacks instead of saying that transwomen are women, it's a sure sign that even she knows she's lost the argument.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | November 23, 2024 2:48 AM
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R66 works in an abattoir.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | November 23, 2024 3:49 AM
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For a second I thought this thread was about Nancy Grace. I was hoping for an update on Tot Mom.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | November 23, 2024 9:31 AM
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AOC doubling down on the stupid and illogical:
“Banning trannies from the women’s room endangers all women and girls!”
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 82 | November 23, 2024 12:30 PM
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The House and Senate offices are never in the same building. Capitol Hill 101.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | November 23, 2024 12:43 PM
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Nancy Mace is just desperate for attention.
She used to claim to be a big champion for LGBT and then went all MAGA. Next she will say: “No migrants can use my bathroom!”
This is pure theater for her.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | November 23, 2024 12:59 PM
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According to Speaker Johnson,
“All single-sex facilities in the Capitol and House Office Buildings — such as restrooms, changing rooms, and locker rooms — are reserved for individuals of that biological sex,”
So I guess Nancy will have to be cool with trans-men peeing in the stall next to her - and checking out her ass as she leans in to redo her makeup in the mirror.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | November 23, 2024 9:45 PM
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lol at the tweet at R74 at nobody liking Mace. I would have thought maybe someone like Elise Stefanik or Virginia Foxx would be pals with Mace.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | November 23, 2024 11:16 PM
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[quote]So I guess Nancy will have to be cool with trans-men peeing in the stall next to her - and checking out her ass as she leans in to redo her makeup in the mirror.
Many FTMs are straight, as it were, i.e., they have sex with men. You guys already know that, since you bitch about seeing them on Grindr all the time.
I, OTOH, do check out women's asses wherever I might find them, if they're nice enough to look at. And I do use the ladies' room.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | November 24, 2024 12:30 AM
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R82, the stupid and illogical ones are people like you. Cisgender men are way more of a threat to women than trans people and these laws will affect butch lesbians and gender non-conforming women who are mistaken for trans (statistically, they outnumber actual trans people)
by Anonymous | reply 89 | November 24, 2024 12:33 AM
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I'm so glad we're finally standing up to these bigots here. I was baffled at how all this hateful rhetoric was getting a relative free pass before the election.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | November 24, 2024 12:36 AM
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A.O.C. = All Out Crazy. Another Obnoxious Communist.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | November 24, 2024 12:56 AM
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I'm not a fan of AOC , but I like her calling out Nancy Mace's bullshit.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | November 24, 2024 1:28 AM
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R91 is a right-wing nut. Even Newsmax is pushing back on Nancy Mace's claims
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 95 | November 24, 2024 2:13 AM
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^^^Wow, that means she really fucked up if Newsmax couldn't find a way to twist the story into something positive for its far-right minions.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | November 24, 2024 3:36 AM
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I think there are some conservatives who don't really get hung up on trans or other LGBT topics that much and are fed up with Mace constantly obsessing over Sarah McBride and the fucking bathrooms.
George Conway threw shade at Mace on Bluesky a few days back by saying that fake boobs should be banned from Capitol bathrooms.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | November 24, 2024 4:56 AM
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R88 That's great. I would hope that several alpha-appearing FTM's could muster a meet-up at the Capitol, and if possible all follow Nancy into the Ladies some afternoon. Hopefully, the media will capture her sputtering faux rage as she describes how her privacy has been violated.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | November 24, 2024 8:11 AM
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Are you suggesting that all transmen are lesbians, r86? Doesn't that simply underline that trans ideology is a homophobic ideology that makes gay men and women think that if they're attracted to their own sex then there must be something wrong with them and therefore need to undergo conversion therapy to make them straight and "transition" into the opposite sex?
You seem to have massively misunderstood women's sexuality, though. We're not like men and don't "check out" other women's asses in the toilets, even those of us who are lesbians.
But, yes, the general point is correct: transmen are women so they are absolutely welcome to use women's spaces. The fact that we hear less about transmen barging into men's toilets or participate in men's sports is because they are women and therefore not as physically strong as men. Because biological sex is a reality.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | November 24, 2024 9:45 AM
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R50, the only reason this thread is not getting much traction but is still attracting TRAs is because of its subject heading. Few people care much about what AOC has to say and even fewer are scandalised by Nancy Mace. The majority don't believe men should be in women's bathrooms and agree with Mace. Even AOC seems to have understood that she isn't going to win the argument by demanding men in women's safe spaces, which is why she's resorting to ad hominem attacks on Mace. That's not going to win her the argument either, though.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | November 24, 2024 9:53 AM
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Correction, r100 is intended for r90.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | November 24, 2024 9:55 AM
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[quote]The majority don't believe men should be in women's bathrooms and agree with Mace.
I think most women who look at Sarah McBride aren't going to have too many issues with her using the women's bathroom. Hence why this is a ridiculous campaign.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | November 24, 2024 10:47 AM
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It's nasty, cruel and humiliating and meant to be R102. I can't imagine what it would be like to be on the receiving end of that barrage of abuse, vilification and degradation.
I've never heard of McBride before but she's handled herself through this with grace, strength and humility. Best of luck to her.
I heard on Meet the Press the other day that they all have their own private bathrooms in their offices and that there are plenty of unisex bathrooms to use and they reported that an agreement had already been made.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | November 24, 2024 11:27 AM
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As a woman, I wouldn't want McBride in a public bathroom with me because he's a man. He also looks like a big man, so in real-world situations his presence could be intimidating.
The issue is bigger than just McBride though. If he's allowed into women's bathrooms then all men who claim to be women will have to be allowed into women's bathrooms. Why not just let all men into women's bathrooms then, since only a minority of men are abusers? Or gay men at least, who aren't sexually interested in women.
Once upon a time there could indeed have been exceptions and compromises in individual cases, e.g. a man who had been fully operated on, no penis, had undergone several years of therapy and a rigorous process to get legal gender recognition. That's actually how it used to be and it was fine. But then the lunatic activists came along and insisted that all that was needed for a man to be considered a woman was for him simply to identify as a woman. That's when the trouble started - and the old-style transsexuals hate this shit too.
So, no, it's not a ridiculous campaign to say that only biological women should be able to use women's bathrooms.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | November 24, 2024 11:33 AM
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Yes, r103, McBride showed great humility and grace when he agreed not to use women's bathrooms. All transwomen should show the same humility and grace and keep out of women's bathrooms too. I suspect that part of the reason he so easily agreed not to use women's facilities is that deep down he knows he's not a woman. I suspect he's actually gay.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | November 24, 2024 11:36 AM
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R35 she is so unlike a democrat. Winning that’s all she cares about?
by Anonymous | reply 106 | November 24, 2024 11:36 AM
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This thread reminds me of the now waning "cancel culture" of a few years ago, when anyone - especially women - who questioned the trans ideology had the rabid mob let loose on them, and was deplatformed, censored, character assassinated, cancelled. JK Rowling being the best example of this.
It just won't work anymore, though. People will not be silenced by the rabid mob.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | November 24, 2024 11:42 AM
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It’s too late now the ship has sailed and it’s not coming back any time soon but Bill Clinton warned the Harris campaign how this bathroom and trans stuff was going to be a problem.
He said after the election —-they should have listened.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | November 24, 2024 11:43 AM
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The trans stuff is too baked into Democratic policies at this point. They're never going to back away from it.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | November 24, 2024 11:46 AM
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Wow, five in a row from posters I've blocked. Bark at that moon, bitches!
by Anonymous | reply 110 | November 24, 2024 11:46 AM
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Who said liberals are so fucking weak they can’t stand to hear anyone that has different views than them?
It’s this weakness , like the above, that has helped lead so many young men to leave the Dems .
by Anonymous | reply 111 | November 24, 2024 12:45 PM
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[quote]If he's allowed into women's bathrooms then all men who claim to be women will have to be allowed into women's bathrooms.
[quote]That's actually how it used to be and it was fine.
And why can't it be this way again? Why is the focus now to exclude all transwomen regardless of their background or status? Do you acknowledge that this "all-or-nothing, biology is everything" approach is also going to significantly impact women who do not present as feminine? Do you want women who don't present as feminine to have to prove themselves whenever someone complains about their presence in the bathroom?
Prior to the self-ID push - which I completely agree is wrong - this was barely an issue. A person with gender dysphoria went through social and medical transition and the sensible world really had no issue with referring them by their preferred pronouns. Why can't this be the preferred outcome?
I seriously don't understand why genuine transwomen need to be castigated in this debate. The way people like Sarah McBride are being treated reeks of unnecessary cruelty, and a failure to acknowledge that gender dysphoria is a recognized condition.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | November 24, 2024 12:52 PM
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Because it gets votes and eyeballs, that's why. Just like gay marriage did in the aughties.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | November 24, 2024 12:58 PM
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What makes McBride a genuine trans person and not someone with a mental illness like gender dysphoria?
The fact she comes off as nice and reasonable?
This trans stuff is a gift to be used by the right. It would be political malpractice for them not to sue it.
Clinton understood that , the Harris campaign when warned by Bill , did not give a fuck,
by Anonymous | reply 114 | November 24, 2024 12:59 PM
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[quote] What makes McBride a genuine trans person and not someone with a mental illness like gender dysphoria?
That should be the legal definition - a trans person should be someone with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and who socially and medically transitions to ease that dysphoria. You know, the way it was "how it used to be and it was fine"?
I'm not sure how effective your campaign will ultimately be if you insist of demonizing mental illness. Gender dysphoria is a genuine condition.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | November 24, 2024 1:14 PM
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[quote]You seem to have massively misunderstood women's sexuality, though. We're not like men and don't "check out" other women's asses in the toilets, even those of us who are lesbians.
It always strikes me as odd that so many DLers (like R99) think they know everything about everyone.
I, as a lesbian, checked out women's asses (I'm an "assman") for [italic]years[/italic]. A friend of mine who was a social worker told me 20 years ago, "You process sexually like a man," to which I replied, "Is that an insult or a compliment?"
Don't assume that your sex drive, and your cohort's sex drive, is the boilerplate for all lesbians. For the most part, it is, but not for everyone. BTW, this is yet another reason I rarely got along with other lesbians, and felt much more comfortable hanging out with gay men.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | November 24, 2024 1:18 PM
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R115
I have not said it’s not a genuine condition or not a mental health issue. This is not an issue I claim to be an expert on.
But if it is one then they need treatment. No mentally ill should be demonized. But —-let me in this bathroom because I have a mental condition —-is not a winning way to go.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | November 24, 2024 1:49 PM
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R104 and your other posts.. ok. So for you this issue is all about you feeling safe vs unsafe based on whom you encounter also using a women’s bathroom while you are using a women’s bathroom. YOUR feelings of safety.
Ok.
Here’s a masculine presenting transman. Since your personal sense of safety is apparently so undone by the idea that a male person could be walking past you to use a privare closed-door stall.. how are you going to feel if this person, now forced to use a women’s room per the rule you insist upon, this person enters the women’s room and walks right past you?
Would you scream? Call 911?
Tell us.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 118 | November 24, 2024 1:53 PM
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[quote]let me in this bathroom because I have a mental condition
I agree, it is not enough on it's own. But if a male with gender dysphoria has gone through gender reassignment surgery and who lives their life in the way the dominant culture equates to that of a woman, then acknowledging them as women is reasonable.
I totally agree that there are fetishists and fantasists who use current legal loopholes to get their rocks off, but there are also genuine trans people who do not pose a risk and who should be accommodated. I'd prefer this to be the aim, rather than to insist that biology is the sole determinant.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | November 24, 2024 2:05 PM
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R116, do you check out other women's asses every time you go to a women's restroom? Do you indulge in cottaging? Do you have sex with some random stranger you just met in a women's bathroom?
[quote]BTW, this is yet another reason I rarely got along with other lesbians, and felt much more comfortable hanging out with gay men.
Sweety, you're the one stating that your sex drive is more like that of a gay man's than a lesbian's.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | November 24, 2024 4:23 PM
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R118, my experience is that "masculine presenting transmen" in online photos are pretty obviously female in real life. If I encountered the woman in that photo in a women's loo in real life I personally would probably assume she's trans identified. Maybe some older, less versed women might, at first sight, question what she's doing in the women's loos but she could then explain that she's actually a biological female.
The real issue is how that trans-identified woman in the photo you link would be treated in a men's bathroom. But, then again, the issue is rarely about women wanting to use men's bathrooms and almost invariably about men wanting to use women's bathrooms. Because transmen don't use men's facilities so much because they know there is a physical risk from men, while transwomen have no concerns about barging into women's bathrooms because they have no intuition of how women feel physical risk from men - because they're not actually women themselves, they are men.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | November 24, 2024 4:30 PM
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Also r116 and r86, the fact that the only thing r86 - a man - thinks is intimidating behaviour for women from transmen/men is that they might check us out simply shows how he has no understanding of the physical vulnerability of women in relation to men. Men are more powerful than women. Transwomen are men. If you really don't think there's a physical difference between males - including transwomen - and females, then why not make all public restrooms gender neutral? Transmen are women (r86 seems to think they're all lesbians) so are unlikely to check women out in an overt and intimidating way, especially in the loos.
By the way, I also check women out ocassionally, if I encounter a very attractive woman in public, but that's hardly done in an intimidatingly sexual way and I try not to make it apparent, because it's creepy for the other woman. That's the difference between men such as r86 and women.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | November 24, 2024 4:46 PM
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R121, I don’t know how many trans friends you spend time with, if any, but please know that trans men who identify as such, use the men’s room. Pretty much ALL of them do. And there is zero threat of violence. There are many short-statured softer featured bio males out in the world as well, and they, just like trans men, never get assaulted for simply using the bathroom for its purpose.
You are right that there are distinct fears of predatory assault and even rape, fears that most women live with 10x or 100x more than most men do.. That is all the more reason for a trans man to just use the men’s room as low key as possible and just go for a stall.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | November 24, 2024 6:34 PM
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[QUOTE]why she's resorting to ad hominem attacks on Mace.
Is reporting about Mace's behavior really an ad hominem attack (fights with fellow MAGA)? It's uncollegial and not terribly professional, sure, but par for the course in this Congress.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | November 24, 2024 9:14 PM
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Nothing would happen to a transman in a men's restroom. Nothing would even happen to a regular woman, beyond a few stares wondering "what are you doing here?"
by Anonymous | reply 125 | November 24, 2024 9:51 PM
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The weird part about all this isn't that Mace is anti trans (that's a fairly common position for MAGAs to take) but that she's going after Sarah McBride personally.
I think - even for some MAGAs - it's a step too far. Especially as McBride transitioned 12 years ago, so it's not like she can be accused of doing so on a whim.
It feels like bullying, however you want to look at it.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | November 24, 2024 10:35 PM
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Another weird aspect to this is that she is a graduate of the Citadel a male bastion full of testosterone and misogyny. She was the only female student for a year. She had her own shower and facilities, but don't tell me she wasn't sexually harassed and had slurs thrown at her in the hallways by fellow cadets, or that they didn't try to intimidate her with their larger stature and superior physical strength. Not that they laid a hand on her, but I'm sure they tried to make her unwelcome and miserable. And Sarah McBride is a threat? Gimme a break.
I've said it on one of these Nancy Mace threads -- she has some sort of mania related mental illness, one of the less severe Bipolar Disorder (II or III) and a big whopping personality disorder. It enabled her to plow through business and politics successfully, but now that she's at the pinnacle of her success those characteristics don't serve her any longer, especially the delusional grandiosity
by Anonymous | reply 127 | November 24, 2024 10:53 PM
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[Quote] A.O.C. = All Out Crazy. Another Obnoxious Communist.
Is AOC’s a commie than I want to be one
by Anonymous | reply 128 | November 24, 2024 10:55 PM
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Mace needs to be raped again
by Anonymous | reply 129 | November 24, 2024 10:56 PM
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[Quote] The trans stuff is too baked into Democratic policies at this point. They're never going to back away from it.
Should the Dems have walked away from gay marriage?
by Anonymous | reply 130 | November 24, 2024 11:01 PM
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I recall a concert where the women’s line was so long, some went to the men’s room.
They weren’t raped
by Anonymous | reply 131 | November 24, 2024 11:01 PM
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I recall, when gay men were coming out in droves, straight men would demand that the gays not use their bathrooms
by Anonymous | reply 132 | November 24, 2024 11:02 PM
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What does Mace think McBride will do except pee?
What danger does Mace think she’ll be in?
by Anonymous | reply 133 | November 24, 2024 11:03 PM
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Go to Europe—so many bathrooms are unisex. It was weird at first because I was used to US bathrooms.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | November 24, 2024 11:04 PM
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[quote] I've said it on one of these Nancy Mace threads -- she has some sort of mania related mental illness, one of the less severe Bipolar Disorder (II or III) and a big whopping personality disorder. It enabled her to plow through business and politics successfully, but now that she's at the pinnacle of her success those characteristics don't serve her any longer, especially the delusional grandiosity
I also think she is bipolar and also a toxic narcissist. That said, she is still an asshole for talking about being a rape victim, but also supporting sexual predators like Trump, Gaetz, and enablers like Gym Jordan.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | November 24, 2024 11:05 PM
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Forgive me, R125, if I don't test your hypothesis.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | November 24, 2024 11:13 PM
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[quote] What does Mace think McBride will do except pee?
[quote] What danger does Mace think she’ll be in?
In a couple of the video rants, she mentions "men invading women's spaces", but the videos I saw she doesn't mention any specific dangers. The whole thing is dumb on her part given that McBride served in state level politics at the Delaware General Assembly and was using the women's bathrooms there and also McBride interned and worked at the White House years ago. McBride has been using state and federal facility bathrooms for a long time.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | November 24, 2024 11:19 PM
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I don't live in a swing state or watch sports, so I missed out on the anti-trans ads that the GOP spent millions on. Were they really about bathroom use - something that was demonstrated to be a non-issue by elections in North Carolina years ago?
I thought the focus was on tax dollars going to re-assignment surgery for incarcerated immigrants.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | November 24, 2024 11:52 PM
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I live in New Mexico and saw the anti-trans ads for awhile. But, the week before the election they stopped airing in my area.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | November 24, 2024 11:55 PM
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"Kamala is for they/them! Trump is for you!"
by Anonymous | reply 140 | November 24, 2024 11:58 PM
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"Kamala supports sex changes for prisoners!"
by Anonymous | reply 141 | November 24, 2024 11:59 PM
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[QUOTE]Nothing would even happen to a regular woman, beyond a few stares wondering "what are you doing here?"
[QUOTE]Irecall a concert where the women’s line was so long, some went to the men’s room.
I'm female and used the men's room at Wrigley Field. A lot of older stadiums have fewer women's restrooms. The line was massive. It's not that I was dying to go, but I'm too impatient so I scooted into the men's room (which had no line at all) and straight into a stall. I wasn't fearful at all except for maybe embarrassment. My plan for a confrontation was "sorry, I really had to go," run and disappear into the crowd.
Nobidy said anything to me and I didn't overhear anything. While I washed my hands I looked a little in the mirror for reactions, but didn't notice any. Then I scooted right out. A couple of guys had a surprised look as tge were walking in, but nothing hostile. They'd probably brought a wfe or SO to a game and knew the bathroom situation.
This was '99 or so.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | November 25, 2024 12:17 AM
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R134 YouTube has lots of videos by Europeans sharing what surprised them when visiting the U.S. The women all mention their alarm at the narrow open spaces on the sides of bathroom stall doors, as well as the large opening at the bottom. Clearly they are accustomed to more privacy.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | November 25, 2024 2:48 AM
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Sorry for so many misspellings at r142.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | November 25, 2024 5:58 AM
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The little military academies the ones most in the country may not have heard of or even think about tend to be the harshest the worst for the students, it’s an opinion based on lots of reading. Not a grad.
A women graduating from there early in is tougher than anyone on DL. That was fucking brutal.
Although the experience may have fucked her mind up a lot.
R129 don’t try it by yourself because I see you getting a giant ass kicking.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | November 25, 2024 9:52 AM
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[QUOTE][R129] don’t try it by yourself because I see you getting a giant ass kicking.
Yeah, from what I've gathered, Mace passed Citadel physical requirements on male cadet standards. Despite her implants and losing a lot of weight, she can probably take a lot of men down.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | November 25, 2024 10:22 AM
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Nancy hired a predator to work for her...while accusing trans people of being predators
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 147 | November 26, 2024 4:35 AM
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^^^Just another Republican hypocrite. No surprise at all.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | November 26, 2024 5:28 AM
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More Senators have been accused of bathroom sexual illegalities than trans women
by Anonymous | reply 149 | November 26, 2024 5:12 PM
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