Was the election really hacked? I’m starting to believe it was…

I thought it was the republicans stuffing absentee votes again like they got busted for in 2018.

But maybe this time they trashed the democrat absentees and didn’t count them.

Isn’t there legitimate statisticians that are looking at this? Just seems that no major outlet will touch this.

We KNOW there were bomb threats -- what that may have contributed to is unknown. People saying their vote was not counted or changed (how would they know, though?) is anecdotal.

I want to feel that any election fraud large enough to swing a decision would elicit too many red flags during and immediately after...

Funny. A long time ago,, when I was a political activist supporting Dems, and lots of crazy shit was going on, someone told be to always remember what my number was. Like, when I voted at my precinct, remember my number. So for instance this time when I voted I was #985. Which means 984 people voted before me.

R2 For what it is worth Thom Hartmann did have on a poll scientist or something like that who was expressing concerns over unusual pro-Trump ballot density.

That’s who we need to hear from. Poll scientists and the like.

Even if they say it wasn’t hacked we need to hear from the data scientists and experts.

That is missing.

They are mum.

I'm getting pissed hearing news outlets- even NPR- screech that Turd won by a landslide and now has a 'mandate'. It's like they're afraid to make waves. Where's the show about the irregularities of two candidates polling neck-and-neck... then suddenly not? About millions minorities passionate to get rid of him-and elect one of their own- who ultimately decided not to vote- after registering in record numbers??

It's the big cities (vs. the redneck counties) that would have decided the vote. And that's where the undercounts are!

Republicans have been cheating to win for decades. Gerrymandering is one of the "legal" methods they use. If all voting were popular vote takes all, there'd probably be very few GOP members in office. Cheating to win and stay in power is a feature of that party, not a bug.

The mixed nuts are here. Her current vote totals are entirely consistent with historical patterns. She will end up losing the popular vote by 1.5%.

No.

The thugs are posting pictures of themselves on social media wearing tshirts with the ALLEGED password to Dominion voting machines.

ALLEGEDLY all of those bomb threats were so “persons unknown” could have access to the machines for a few minutes to delete votes.

True? Idk. I’ve seen pictures of people wearing the shirts and gloating.

I also find it hard to believe that we had RECORD early voting but then 15 MILLION fewer voters suddenly decided NOT to vote on Election Day? That makes zero sense.

And yet, not one fucking pussy ass bitch democrat wants to listen or raise questions about the numbers. They’re dead silent and ignoring the GLARING inconsistencies.

The media pushes the mandate narrative because the Dems haven't given them a counter narrative. The Dems seem to think that after it's all over, and you gave every drop of blood in your veins and you're emotionally exhausted, you need to "take a minute" to get into your feels, and "heal." The Republicans don't think that way. They are always angry, always bitching so that continues after the election. There's no time out. There's no Kumbaya moment were we unite for the good of the country. The GOP are haters. They truly believe they are the entitled, chosen rulers. So vif the Dems are down in the dumps, this, according to the GOP is the perfect time to kick their asses.

Crazy talk^

Op pull that head out of your ass!!

Stephen Spoonamore has a running thread on Spoutible. He also did a Q&A on Reddit a few days ago, the link is here somewhere.

I agree, OP. Trump telegraphed this when he said he “didn’t need votes.” I’m so depressed that nothing seems to be getting done about it.

And NPR can fuck right off—they’re not covering this as they should.

Has MSNBC been covering this? I haven’t been able to watch them since the election so maybe they have. It’s all I can do just to get to work these days.

If it the vote was stolen, there’s nothing to be done about it, and anyone who tries will be met with the mother of all beat-downs, from Dominion.

After what happened when Fucker Carlson & all of the talking heads at FOX when they claimed the election was stolen from Trump when Biden won? Even if true, no one will say shit.

No, OP, there are no legitimate reports. Go away.

[quote]And yet, not one fucking pussy ass bitch democrat wants to listen or raise questions about the numbers. They’re dead silent and ignoring the GLARING inconsistencies.

Democrats don't have enough lunatic cultist types who are willing to pull "stop the steal" tactics, attempt to install fake electors, threaten politicians with death, file lawsuits to disrupt certification of results, gather and storm the capitol and be willing to face arrest, jail or death all for the cause of overturning the election outcome. Regardless, Donald Trump will be taking office in January. Whether he cheated or not, Americans enabled the conditions that allowed electoral interference to happen.

Now if there is verifiable proof that there was manipulation or irregularities beyond social media speculation, the best case scenario would be to present the findings early in Trump's term to delegitimize his claims of a decisive mandate to govern. The scandal would hang over his entire second term and would never go away. He'd never voluntarily give up power because he has no shame, I mean he's already a twice impeached convicted felon who never conceded the 2020 presidential election and tried to overturn the outcome of that vote through mob violence. Plus, a Trump resignation means a J.D. Vance presidency. There's no lesser of two evils, just two evils.

Just don’t put Jill “Red Sparrow” Stein in charge of the audit this time.

We never did get the final results from Stein's lawsuit in 2016. Of the three states: Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin:

Money ran out and the Pennsylvania recount was stopped.

Some type of lawsuit prevented the Michigan recount from being finished.

In Wisconsin, they did finish. But their findings, according to some ridiculous law, belongs to the owner/manufacturer of the voting machines. They refused to release the findings!!! There was at least one lawsuit filed, but POOF, it just up and disappeared.

So we officially never found out. (which tells me THEY CHEATED!!!).

I feel it's a bogus election, but the pussy Dems won't fight, just lay down like french people.

We can always hold out the hope that Trump and Musk will have a brutal, bitter falling out and then Musk lets out that he did help Trump cheat to win and can provide receipts showing it. Musk's ego is exactly like Trump's. Musk is also the type who will always keep a "dead man's trigger" in place in case something happens to him. Only in Musk's world, he has all the technocracy bros in his corner who have massive wealth and computer literacy. Trump and MAGA would go down so fast and hard. It would be glorious to watch.

Help is not coming from the Democratic Party. They're weak, ineffectual, and ultimately serve the same masters as the GOP except the Dems provide more performative support for the marginalized. The destruction of the Trump admin, the GOP and even MAGA will come from inside their ranks, and will be the result of betrayals, backstabbing, status-positioning, and egos. It will be a real-life Dynasty series finale, except with fewer shoulder pads.

May it all begin now, r26, and accelerate at the clip of a fully loaded freight train heading down Mt Everest, pulling Jaydine and Thiel with it

The Dems fell in to Trump's trap. Trump said he would only accept the outcome if the election was fair. Biden insisted the election process was bullet proof. Then, the Repugs won. The Dems have no grounds to raise the issue of election tampering now, unless there is something undeniably glaring.

It IS, R28, but democrats, being the epic pussies they are, flatly refuse to even consider the notion.

One savvy move Turd made was announcing (true or not) that funny-munny bitcoins were going to be promoted. All the Under-45s who had Bitcoin rotting away on their Robinhood accounts orgasmed at that.

As if America could handle bitcoin. They can't even make the switch to the metric system!

R28 That doesn't mean they can't investigate on the down-low.

You know a thread was started by a troll when it has 18 WWs and only 33 posts.

In short, if Kamala Harris does not engage in demanding a recount the next 48 hours, It will not happen at scale. On a deep and fundamental level, I don’t think she nor the people around her fully understand the scale of abandonment, and permanent loss of trust that will result. Shame. Shame on anyone in power who claims to love democracy.

If true, I don’t think that the Republicans acted alone. Some Democrats have to be involved.

Something fishy is going on.

If only there was someone in-the federal govt especially the WH or even the entire Democratic Party that was as smart and savvy as the DL investigations are.

The problem is there’s not even a shred of concrete evidence—just lots of conjecture.

Conjecture won’t get us anywhere

[quote]In short, if Kamala Harris does not engage in demanding a recount the next 48 hours, It will not happen at scale.

That as posted on November 20th. So, times up!

Can we move on now?

^^^Why would any Democrat engage in a plot to lose the presidency and control of the Senate through some form of electoral manipulation with Republicans? That's political suicide and doesn't make sense. How would they benefit from a Trump victory and GOP trifecta, knowing how unhinged he is and how frequently he stated that going after the "enemy from within," which included Democrats and anyone else who expressed oppostion to his policies?

The only person who might participate in something like that would be Tulsi Gabbard and I believe she already left the Democratic Party to become part of the MAGA cult.

r39 Maybe these people really are being "selected" instead of elected and none of our votes matter nor have they mattered since the US was established as a sovereign nation. Sure. Let's just dive all the way into this conspiracy theory rabbit hole. Fuck it.

(The Bitchute links my cousin keeps mass emailing the family are my primary entertainment right now)

While many democracies swap in new leaders in a sprint, the U.S. ambles along with a transition period of 11 weeks.

But slow as that might seem, it’s shorter than the four months the Constitution originally left for the handoff of power from an incumbent to a new president.

Picking up the pace The original November-March period between presidents was designed in the 18th century, when moving information and people around the country was a slow process. Unlike in many parliamentary democracies where cabinet members are often drawn from parliament, whose members live and work in the capital, political talent in the U.S. is spread across a vast country.

The difficulties the United States felt during the Great Depression helped convince leaders to swear in any newly elected president more quickly, shortening the original four-month “lame duck” period to less than three months. (The term “lame duck” refers to an elected official whose successor has already been elected. Such an individual is in a weakened position politically.)

The 20th Amendment, ratified in 1933, set the new inauguration date at January 20. Presidential elections are still held in early November.

“It does take time to pull together a cabinet and entire top tier of government,” said Jeffrey A. Engel, director of the Center for Presidential History at Southern Methodist University. “Every time a new presidential administration comes in, you have to apply frosting to the cake. The cake is the permanent bureaucracy, [and the frosting is the new appointees and Cabinet members]. As any baker knows, you can put frosting on in 30 seconds, but it doesn’t look great.”

America’s unique democracy Another reason for the U.S. retaining a nearly three-month transition period between presidents is that instead of the election being decided by the winning party in parliamentary elections, the U.S. president is officially chosen by the Electoral College weeks after a popular election. While this means that presidents cannot take office right away, the declared winner can receive funds for the transition and briefings from the outgoing administration.

Americans themselves appreciate transition time because the Thanksgiving holiday falls soon after the election and is followed quickly by Christmas, Hanukkah and other winter holidays, said Elizabeth B. Goldsmith, professor emerita at Florida State University.

The U.S. also is different in that the president is both the head of government and the head of state. (Imagine replacing both the British prime minister and queen at the same time.)

As leisurely as the power transition may seem, the switchover at the White House is so fast on January 20 that it requires a tactical team of government employees. The exiting president usually leaves his White House home for the inauguration and the new president moves in a few hours later. Goldsmith said hundreds of employees start working at the crack of dawn so that the 132 rooms of private residence and public spaces are ready for the incoming president.

Some idiot ^^ thinking he can tell us how it works. 🥴

I can believe it, but nothing will happen.

[quote]Why would any Democrat engage in a plot to lose the presidency and control of the Senate through some form of electoral manipulation with Republicans? That's political suicide and doesn't make sense.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

"During the Nazi-throwback rally at Madison Square Garden on Sunday, after Donald Trump and his MAGA cohorts finished insulting pretty much every non-white person who might even think of voting for him, Trump revealed that he doesn’t actually need votes to be installed as president again.

Referencing a “secret plan” he has with Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, Trump said this:

“I think with our little secret we are gonna do really well with the House, our little secret is having a big impact, he and I have a little secret, we will tell you what it is when the race is over.”

R44 Anything is possible, but I can't understand why some cabal of Democrats would collude with MAGA Republicans to manipulate the electoral process in a way that enabled a victory for Donald Trump and handed Republicans full control of government just for money. That's too far of a stretch for me.

If the same alleged group of colluding Democrats were simply money and power hungry, why not just pledge loyalty to the Trump and the GOP after the election, further tipping the balance in their favor? Do we think Trump would reject additional ass kissers who will peddle his agenda? No way in hell. That's just as nonsensical of a stretch as the previous one.

[quote]Referencing a “secret plan” he has with Speaker of the House Mike Johnson

The "secret plan" was already revealed last month.

R40 is catching on. Only the word is "installed".

r48 Honestly, I was only half-joking, there. Who knows what's going on. As for my cousin, I think this election actually broke his brain. He's always been a true blue staunchly Democrat voters, has such strong disdain for Trump, and "just knew" Kamala would win. He's gone from "the Republicans cheated/stole the election" to "they're all in on it, everything is a lie, and both political parties have been working together for hundreds of years" in a matter of weeks.

I think he's pissed how easily the Democrats conceded the election and are shutting down any conversations that stink of "election fraud." A lot of the videos he sends are really out there with their "theories."

OP you wanted it to be so bad. Gee, I wonder why?

R49 I might be your cousin. It's beyond reasonable the way the Dems folded.

Oooh, now it's 25 WWs and 51 posts. Everybody feels compelled by OPees intelligent exposition to SMASH that button.

Oh, shut the fuck up, R52.

R46 I'm not the one who believe in the Democratic cabal who rolled over for $$$$. I just remember being shocked seeing the clip of Trump talking about his "little secret" and "I don't need your votes." It's disgusting, and shady as fuck. His win is sketchy and I wish the Dems would look into it seriously. Talk of secrets, bomb threats, exploding ballot boxes, people threatening voters with machetes at polling stations! Its not right, and none of this should not be tolerated.

Q- mom what do losers do after they got their asses kicked?

A- well Helen the smart ones figure out what they did wrong and change.

Q- mom what about the dumb losers?

A- there is a thread on DL that I can show you as an example.

I’m predicting that we’ll be facing another civil war.

R56 I hold hope we will never get that far. I predict his term will be a shitshow and there will be many disappointed voters. If only they would learn.

“ I predict”

If DL predictions came true the Dems would now hold all 3 houses of govt not none. And trump would be getting ready for jail. And Dems would be dancing in the streets with joy. And JD would not be thinking about how soon he will be sitting at the head of the table,

If DL has proven anything it’s that we can’t predict shit. In fact often the exact opposite happens.

[quote] If DL has proven anything it’s that we can’t predict shit. In fact often the exact opposite happens.

The results of the thread polls people create show that DL is consistently out of sync with the rest of the U.S., and not by a little. While many may say that is as it should be, it probably does lead to the existence of so many wishful thinking predictions that are wildly off the mark.

R59

Absolutely no doubt in my mind that DL is consistently out of sync with the rest of the US. Often not remotely close.

Who IS the insufferable cunt on here?

Don’t like it, don’t click.

Fool.

[Quote]I predict his term will be a shitshow

R57 Serious question. If he ends up actually doing a good job, things improve, and the country gets placed on a positive trajectory, will you be upset or a weird mixture of mad and happy at the same time?

Many liberals and Dems now hope the country and trump will fail. Human nature. And let’s face it if trump and the gop don’t fail they will rule for years.

I think there are bad people out here, call them Boogaloos, or militia types, or Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, or just fringe elements and loners, who subscribe to the racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia and hate and they're waiting for the "green light" to step out here and start messing with people. Maybe they will wait for warmer weather for their tiki torch assemblies, but They will definitely engage in provocative behavior, and they will definitely incite violence. That is my biggest worry. Government policy arguments I expect. But the violence and divisive behavior is what I dread.

[quote]They will definitely engage in provocative behavior, and they will definitely incite violence.

As bad as there George Floyd riots, with that level of violence, vandalism and looting? I doubt it.

R64 significant violence if it does come, will come on the heels of another sexual driven epidemic. and then I do expect significant violence.

Otherwise I expect kind of more of what we see today.

R62, I would be happy. But IMO it isn't that simple. There's even the possibility that his administration will do a competent job though it is not probable. The one thing I don't expect him to ever do nor for his people to do, is to repudiate the hateful, nasty divisive atmosphere he has incited. In order for them to get away with a lot of the stuff they want they will have to keep us distracted and give us targets to hate or scare us, and that will not change. Trump is a natural racist. He is a hater. It is a reflex with him, and he attracts others like himself.

Tired of the Dems bending over and taking it.

Wouldn’t be shocked

Is there any "black swan" event that the incoming government will be able to handle with competence? I have zero faith.

It is very telling to me that his opening shot on Tariffs is to "go to war" with Canada and Mexico, as well as China. If he follows through, it will have a huge terrible impact on our economy and on people personally. We will see it in our everyday lives. It will alienate us from our neighbors. This is definitely Putin driven. Weaken the U.S. that's the mission.

Another way to tell:

Trump had NO reaction to "winning". You'd think he would have expressed some relief or happiness that he was now gonna get away with all his crimes. But there was nothing.

When have we known Trump to NOT gloat?

Like he said at his rally days before the election, "We've got the votes". (Just before being pulled off by and aide yell-whispering "STFU"

[quote]Like he said at his rally days before the election, "We've got the votes".

R72, both the Democratic and Republican internal polls showed Trump ahead. While he could have pretended that he didn’t know from those polls that he had the votes, he chose not to.

Yes trump had the votes and honestly said he did and we did not have the votes and we said we did. With just a slight bit less honesty.

Hakeem thinks so

It starts about 22 minutes into this