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Musk, Ramaswamy outline plan for 'large-scale firings' in federal workforce

WASHINGTON — Tech entrepreneurs Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy outlined a plan Wednesday for President-elect Donald Trump to oversee a massive reduction in the federal workforce, arguing the employees won't be needed after Trump eliminates "thousands of regulations" in his next administration.

Musk and Ramaswamy, who Trump last week named co-heads of a new Department of Government Efficiency, singled out in a Wall Street Journal op-ed federal employees "who view themselves as immune from firing thanks to civil-service protections."

The duo pointed to recent Supreme Court decisions to argue the incoming president has the executive power to nullify many regulations unilaterally without Congress, pursue "large-scale firings" of federal workers and relocate some agencies outside of Washington. They said "a drastic reduction in federal regulations" would require vastly fewer federal employees.

"DOGE intends to work with embedded appointees in agencies to identify the minimum number of employees required at an agency for it to perform its constitutionally permissible and statutorily mandated functions," their op-ed reads.

Musk and Ramaswamy, two loyal Trump allies, were tapped to lead the effort to "dismantle government bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, and restructure federal agencies." Although dubbed a department, the Musk/Ramaswamy-led effort is effectively an outside advisory commission − not a formal agency − with no legal authority.

The incoming Trump administration is expected to revive a plan to convert some employees to "Schedule F," status which strips them of job protections, among other efforts to cut the workforce.

Musk and Ramaswamy said the number of federal employees to cut "should be at least proportionate" to the number of regulations that are eliminated. "Not only are fewer employees required to enforce fewer regulations, but the agency would produce fewer regulations once its scope of authority is properly limited," they said.

They did not specify how many workers could be downsized, or which agencies would be targeted, if their plan is carried out. They said "employees whose positions are eliminated deserve to be treated with respect, and DOGE’s goal is to help support their transition into the private sector," without providing specifics on how such a transition would work.

Trump would be able to use existing laws to give targeted federal workers incentives for early retirement and provide voluntary severance payments "to facilitate a graceful exit," they added.

Musk and Ramaswamy acknowledged "conventional wisdom" might suggests civil-service protections prevent the president from firing federal workers. But they argued Trump has the broad power − under the Supreme Court's 2021 Collins v. Yellen decision − to pursue "reductions in force" that don't target specific employees.

They also floated the possibility of requiring these workers to return to in-person work five days a week, predicting it "would result in a wave of voluntary terminations that we welcome."

"If federal employees don’t want to show up, American taxpayers shouldn’t pay them for the Covid-era privilege of staying home," they said.

"We are entrepreneurs, not politicians," they wrote in the op-ed. "We will serve as outside volunteers, not federal officials or employees. Unlike government commissions or advisory committees, we won’t just write reports or cut ribbons. We’ll cut costs."

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by Anonymousreply 191December 12, 2024 11:14 PM

DO IT. What people do think is that most of this workers are democrats. NO. They reflect the American electorate. With middle class white cunts leaning Repub. Especially I suspect the firings will be highly paid positions which is even more white. Let them see. Let these cunts see. You want to vote MAGA thinking your whiteness will protect you. Let them see. Bring on the chaos.

by Anonymousreply 1November 21, 2024 5:14 AM

[quote]"If federal employees don’t want to show up, American taxpayers shouldn’t pay them for the Covid-era privilege of staying home," they said.

Because nothing says "efficiency" better than maintaining a portfolio of massively expensive office buildings. Of course, efficiency was never the point.

by Anonymousreply 2November 21, 2024 5:20 AM

R2 But the buildings are still there so what’s your point. I always said it’s a losing argument to insist you work from home. They didn’t sell the buildings. They still have meetings and have to come in once a month or bi weekly. Non foresight cunts gon learn.

And it’s not just government crazies like these animals. Corporate has expressed the same sentiment.

by Anonymousreply 3November 21, 2024 5:49 AM

r3 Are you simple? You sell the buildings, you sub-let, whatever. On the rare occasion you need to have an in-person meeting, you go to a WeWork. It's not hard.

And "corporate" has the same moronic short-termism as they fools do. Acting like because big companies do it is proof it's the right thing to do is beyond moronic.

by Anonymousreply 4November 21, 2024 6:21 AM

Let the grift begin!

by Anonymousreply 5November 21, 2024 6:48 AM

Elon still but hurt about employees who work from home and get more done than in an office. He ranted about this during Covid. The truth of the matter is there is no reason for people who work on computers all day need to get in a car, burn lots of gas, spend 2 hours in traffic, clogging up the freeways, spend money eating lunch, spend money on professional cloths just to sit in a chair because some CEO wants to feel like he's doing something by looking over their shoulder. Yes corporate America does not like that either because of the same reason, ego, control and power.

But if you really want to talk about saving money and being efficient, maybe take a look at what this billionaire CEO says, their profits are higher and costs are lower than they have ever been:

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by Anonymousreply 6November 21, 2024 7:10 AM

It sounds like someone just figured out if they fire entire agencies, 10's of thousands of people being suddenly unemployed will affect the economy. How are they going to "help support their transition into the private sector" exactly? Another government program? Wont these people need food stamps, unemployment payments?

by Anonymousreply 7November 21, 2024 7:26 AM

[quote] How are they going to "help support their transition into the private sector" exactly?

They actually probably will, because they'll be rehiring the same people, but this time through the large consulting agencies with a massive premium on top of their former salaries.

by Anonymousreply 8November 21, 2024 7:29 AM

I do believe they have found a sneaky way to fire people, It's not new actually but they way around lawsuits is to just shut down an entire department lock stock and barrel. Trying to bring wrongful termination lawsuits are almost impossible to win at that point. Elon has already done this several times with Twitter and even SpaceX.

by Anonymousreply 9November 21, 2024 7:30 AM

The indians political piditions in Wikipedia are astounding. Another wannabe be dictator.. Raise voting age to 25 and only can votevif you're in the military.

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by Anonymousreply 10November 21, 2024 7:51 AM

This shit right here is why I’m bailing out ASAP.

If I retire early, I get to keep my pension and health care. I wait for these fuckers to start firing people, and I could possibly lose it all.

No, thanks. I’m out.

I’ve done training for new people, on the job training, written procedures, done reviews, and still can close more cases than the idiot maggots on our team who just take up space.

But they’ll keep the maggots who don’t do anything and get rid of the people actually DOING the most work. Because they’re fucking retarded.

by Anonymousreply 11November 21, 2024 7:58 AM

r11 That's the point. They want to get rid of the talented and those who know how to do things properly. Then, once the fuckwits who are left run things into the ground they claim that as proof that government can't operate effectively and why it either needs to cut the service, or hand it over to the private sector.

by Anonymousreply 12November 21, 2024 8:07 AM

Yep, everyone needs to prepare for what's coming. Don't think it's just going to happen to other people. I am worried mostly about health coverage. I am HIV pos for 30 years and without the Ryan White Act I am fucked. Medications are still high, 4,000 a month and in no way do I make that kind of income. If they get rid of per-existing clause that prohibits insurance from dropping people, I am double fucked. I am old enough to remember when that was legal. Insurance companies would literately just laugh on the phone and say, "why would we insure someone who we know is already sick?"

by Anonymousreply 13November 21, 2024 8:08 AM

True, r12, but I’m still leaving all of my knowledge behind. There are dozens of paper copies of the reviews and procedures I’ve written and I fully intend to continue to write up what I know until the last minute.

I can’t take the chance of losing the tiny pension and healthcare by sticking around too long.

by Anonymousreply 14November 21, 2024 8:13 AM

What r12 just said is exactly what they tried to do the the US post office. One of the only successful gov agencies that was inexpensive and delivered everywhere no matter how remote, totally funded by just by selling stamps. FedEx and UPS only serve locations where it's profitable. At about 4 times the price on top of that.

by Anonymousreply 15November 21, 2024 8:13 AM

They are turning this country into a shithole country like India

by Anonymousreply 16November 21, 2024 8:47 AM

Good. You know why?

What’s the biggest waste of federal money?

Who do you think they all voted for?

FAFO

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by Anonymousreply 17November 21, 2024 9:11 AM

I remember when Trump tried to fuck up the post office his first time around, and there were so many delays and screw ups with mail.

This time, I think he's going to try to get rid of the post office altogether.

by Anonymousreply 18November 21, 2024 9:45 AM

A federal reduction in force

They are complicated, involved, messy, have lots of rules to follow, are very very stressful, and they take a lot of time. It’s not like Target deciding they are going to let people go.

by Anonymousreply 19November 21, 2024 9:49 AM

With a trifecta Republicans will just change the rules to meet their agenda on a federal RIF. The Supreme Court will back it up. And to bake it in they will expand the Supreme Court so they control that branch for a few extra decades. The US changed the rules on Native Americans since the formation of the Nation every time more land was wanted. Did it to the freed slaves after the Civil War. Same with the Japanese during WW II. And lastly by Eisenhower in the 50s during the last purge of the Meskins. Do you really think they won’t do it to federal workers?

by Anonymousreply 20November 21, 2024 11:42 AM

R20

I was sure they were not going to win the election. Like everyone else here I am only guessing about what will happen in the future.

What they really are concerned with is those who run depts. The senior staff. And doing away with depts. I do not think it’s the GS-5 clerk typist they are going after.

I have no fucking idea what will actually happen.

by Anonymousreply 21November 21, 2024 11:52 AM

My guess is that they will come up with crazy recommendations, that will then be mostly ignored in the chaos around mass deportation and tariffs and whatever stupid issue Trump invents that week. If Trump succeeds where no one has, this will be a boon for contractors to clean up the mess.

by Anonymousreply 22November 21, 2024 11:58 AM

It’s not just cutting workers it’s not hurting themselves politically. Obviously, the fed worker s close to retirement should get all their paperwork ready to go if necessary,

MAGA voters who rely on Social Security, veterans affairs, Medicare aren’t going to want any cuts there either. Could be a winner for Dems in 2026.

by Anonymousreply 23November 21, 2024 12:50 PM

R22 I agree.

by Anonymousreply 24November 21, 2024 12:55 PM

We may wish they were as dumb as we hope they are. But I do believe they will at least try and do popular things and best as they can avoid unpleasant things that don’t have a major upside.

The WH going after illegals that are in gangs or otherwise shady folks will be extremely popular.

The WH attacking gay marriage will be very unpopular.

They will not be going out of their way to make Dems more popular

by Anonymousreply 25November 21, 2024 1:00 PM

With all these cuts to government programs like Medicare and regulatory agencies I wonder what we’re paying taxes for, other than the military and paying the salaries of the trashy Republicans in congress. Oh yeah, we’re subsidizing tax cuts for Elon and his buddies. Might as well send a check made out to Elon Musk at tax time. Who needs the EPA or CDC anyway.

by Anonymousreply 26November 21, 2024 1:03 PM

r15, the hatred people have for the post office will never cease to amaze me.

Yes, there are some cunts manning the counters sometimes. But everything else about the PO is amazing when you consider what it's job is. It has to reach EVERYONE in this huge fucking country on a regular basis at an affordable rate. It's a true American success story and people bitch about it because of some mean dykes at the counter when Christmas shipping time comes around.

And yes, I realize many on the right have political reasons for hating it. But I hear complaints from all sorts of people. They don't realize what an amazing thing it is in a country this huge and spread out.

by Anonymousreply 27November 21, 2024 1:04 PM

I’d like to believe cutting their social security or Medicare or doing away with overtime pay and all of the things that the middle class and lower classes depend on would convince MAGA to stop voting for the GOP. But in reality they’re not going to change. These people are morons.

by Anonymousreply 28November 21, 2024 1:09 PM

As soon as the back to the office orders go out for feds you will see a big uptake with retirements. And maybe resignations from some of the younger workers.

Anyone who claims there is no bloat in the federal govt or that there are not programs that could be done away with or downsized has never worked in the federal govt in any significant capacity.

And some of those programs that could be done away with or sent to other agencies so the agency can focus on what is truly important as far as their mission can be found at CDC.

by Anonymousreply 29November 21, 2024 1:10 PM

I've seen a couple of things on the internet, YouTube and one other mention, that Trump voters are already beginning to regret their decisions. The realities of how Trump is going to possibly hurt them are slapping them in their moronic faces.

THE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST!! You pieces of dumb shit.

by Anonymousreply 30November 21, 2024 1:16 PM

R27 Repubs have done an excellent job of programming 2 generations to perceive anything that isn’t a corporate entity as evil personified. Then you add in the fact there are a lot of minorities who work for the post office, colorful lesbian chicks like you described, that further cranks up the contempt. This is a uniquely phenomenon btw as far Western first world nations. It’s not just criticisms on paper but an inherent dislike of anything government. If it ain’t Coca-Cola or Disney, then it ain’t shit. It’s sad.

by Anonymousreply 31November 21, 2024 1:17 PM

Mafuckin!

by Anonymousreply 32November 21, 2024 1:19 PM

I predict as the public outcry of many of the things Trump has said he wants to do, such as all these tariffs, get loud enough Trump will get scared that too many people are against him and he'll either outright cancel them or they'll very quietly never even get brought up again. That's what will piss people like Ramalangadingdong and Musk Ox off as drastically cutting costs & taxes for the rich, and fucking over lots of people is the only reason they wanted to be in the administration in the first place, and they'll start leaving. And when the time comes, and it will, they will be the first to turn on Trump and start shitting on him and his incompetence. They won't want people to think the fact they did nothing was their own fault. Trump will be the natural source of their failure to blame.

Trump has never learned that lowlife scumbags like him should never surround themselves with other lowlife scumbags because lowlife scumbags will turn on each other in a New York second when things don't go their way.

by Anonymousreply 33November 21, 2024 1:29 PM

R33

“trump has never learned”

Trumps popularity went up from 2016 to 2020 then his popularity went up from 2020 to 2024. As measured by professionals. And folks on DL counter with “I read on the Internet that some people are unhappy with Trump”

Yes I realize morons on DL claimed you had to be a Boris or someone that watches CNN to believe that trump was more popular not less right before the election.

If the election was held again tomorrow my money is not on Harris to win.

by Anonymousreply 34November 21, 2024 2:17 PM

Everything Trump and his cronies plant to do is going to blow up in their faces.

by Anonymousreply 35November 21, 2024 2:45 PM

^plan

by Anonymousreply 36November 21, 2024 2:46 PM

I don’t think MAGA will ever turn on Trump, even if losing SS or vital parts of Medicare/ACA.

What I do predict is that tons of MAGA seniors will not survive the next 2-4 years.

I believe that cutting off ACA completely will lead to thousands upon thousands of deaths due to lack of affordable healthcare. Next, restrict or restructure the Social Security administration, as well as SS benefits. This will eventually result in even more deaths, and or homelessness for the majority of Americans who are currently holding on my a thread, or a very thin rope.

I wish I could experience glee over the ways the MAGA will inevitably suffer, but I just cannot muster any of it.

They’re about to pay a VERY high price for who they voted for, as are millions of Americans who voted for Kamala.

Also? As much as I claim to loathe MAGA folks, I do understand that most of these people were literally brainwashed by FOX News on a daily basis. The majority of them may indeed, be a bunch of bigoted racists, but how could they even defend themselves against a publication/media giant, that targets those and many more biases, for their exploitation via monetary and political gain?

These people have literally been used as lab-rats. They cannot see it, cannot consider it, because the experiment is working and their denialism is an integral part of the experiment’s success.

FOX News isn’t a broadcast news station meant to inform them. It’s meant to trigger them so that their biases permit foreign leaders to control America’s interests via all elections across the board.

Again, they will NEVER believe it or even question it.

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by Anonymousreply 37November 21, 2024 4:24 PM

[quote] Anyone who claims there is no bloat in the federal govt or that there are not programs that could be done away with or downsized has never worked in the federal govt in any significant capacity.

Yeah.

Better to have bloat in Elon Musk's and Donald Trump's BANK ACCOUNTS, right?

Asshole.

by Anonymousreply 38November 21, 2024 4:34 PM

[quote] A federal reduction in force

[quote] They are complicated, involved, messy, have lots of rules to follow, are very very stressful, and they take a lot of time. It’s not like Target deciding they are going to let people go.

Musk and Ramy absolutely LIVE for this kind of shit.

Believe me, they will gleefully slash and burn the federal government, with no concern for how complicated and messy it gets.

Musk did it in corporate America, so he'll have no problem doing it in the public sector, as well.

Seriously, what do you think they have been working on for the past four years????

Project 2025, Project47, Starlink Vote Stealing, Destroying the Federal Government......

These things were already in the works.

by Anonymousreply 39November 21, 2024 4:38 PM

There is some bloat in government. I just don’t trust these clowns. One good thing they might do is cure in government dysfunction as it pertains to spending. And I blame Dems for not making better policies to begin with. For example a federal government agency has a budget. I’ve seen this shit first hand as a contractor. Near the end of the fiscal year, whatever money they have, they spend like crazy. For unnecessary shit like office moves, new furniture that they don’t need. I They just spend spend spend. You want to know why? Because if they have a surplus in budget they aren’t rewarded in any way. It’s not seen as being financially responsible. No, they’ll lose their budget amount the next year sometimes by more than what they saved. They is bad policy because each year is different with different issues to tackle. It’s just complete dysfunction. Change the policy to promote good money management.

by Anonymousreply 40November 21, 2024 4:45 PM

Great!

One recession, coming right up!

by Anonymousreply 41November 21, 2024 4:46 PM

This* is bad policy

by Anonymousreply 42November 21, 2024 4:46 PM

Here’s more on the “business” practices Murdoch engages in, in order to spread Russian propaganda via strategically placed advertisement billboards.

The propaganda is EVERYWHERE, and those who have zero knowledge on how propaganda works, cannot call upon unbiased insights that can inform them on how utterly brainwashed they have become.

It is all part of a plan that the average MAGA voter cannot identify.

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by Anonymousreply 43November 21, 2024 4:51 PM

[quote]And I blame Dems for not making better policies to begin with

Oh fuck off

by Anonymousreply 44November 21, 2024 4:57 PM

R44 I will not fuck off. I will continue being my liberal self while calling a spade a spade.

by Anonymousreply 45November 21, 2024 5:06 PM

What I don’t understand is the idea that Trump can be harmed. This is his last term, barring a change to the Constitution, and the House and Senate have Republican majorities. Is it he not positioned to keep his promises for once in his life and then retire? It looks to me like he can lay waste to the nation in any way his “advisors” encourage him to.

by Anonymousreply 46November 21, 2024 5:29 PM

Hit me with your best shot!

Fire away!

by Anonymousreply 47November 21, 2024 6:38 PM

Yes, r43, it makes one wonder just how far up the rot goes if NOBODY is willing to even LOOK at the RT satellite station (aka Fux Noise).

Also, if you even suggest to a maggot that they may want to find a confirmation source for the shit Fux spews, they refuse. They do not WANT to be told the truth or hear FACTS.

They refuse to even look at something not shit out by Murdoch’s asshole.

They have a choice and the choice is to cut their own throats. I have no pity for them abs I fully intend to laugh in their stupid faces and stop all donations to veterans groups, meals on wheels and anything that isn’t nature conservation or animal help.

Fuck the maggots. And fuck the stupid people who couldn’t get off their fucking lazy asses and vote.

by Anonymousreply 48November 21, 2024 7:34 PM

Yeah, stopping meals on wheels donations because of election results makes you an asshole, sorry. You're hurting a ton of Democrats that way, not just Republicans. But I doubt you even donate.

by Anonymousreply 49November 21, 2024 7:37 PM

R48 is the future of the Democratic Party. The party is in hands.

by Anonymousreply 50November 21, 2024 7:37 PM

[quote]My guess is that they will come up with crazy recommendations, that will then be mostly ignored in the chaos around mass deportation and tariffs and whatever stupid issue Trump invents that week. If Trump succeeds where no one has, this will be a boon for contractors to clean up the mess.

This right here. These bozos can't run a lemonade stand for five minutes without screwing it up. How the hell will they be able to do all the things they have planned: secure the border, round up and deport millions, dismantle every government agency, end Medicare/Medicaid, open up more oil drilling, impose huge trade tariffs, eliminate the DoE, fire all of the women and POC in the military, AND dismantle the federal government, all at ONCE?

All while Trump is golfing away in NJ or at Mar-a-Lardo, three or four days a week. Who's minding this enormous store? None of these weirdos has the time or commitment to get all of this done. There will be token efforts for show, and nothing more.

by Anonymousreply 51November 21, 2024 7:51 PM

This plan sounds like a boost to our economy and unemployment rate, which is really low right now. Um, no.

Who is going to pay for all of the unemployment benes and re-training for all of these fired people? And the missing flow of their spending into GDP. Nothing like triggering a massive recession...

by Anonymousreply 52November 21, 2024 7:57 PM

That’s the whole point, r52.

Dump people into unemployment so they’re desperate and will work for $3/hour while Muskhole and his cronies buy up their properties and jack up the rents.

I say we go all French Revolution on their asses and roll the guillotines NOW.

I’d love nothing more than to see that fucking social retard’s head on a pike.

by Anonymousreply 53November 21, 2024 9:22 PM

Me too, R53.

I've had it.

Off with their fucking heads!!!

by Anonymousreply 54November 21, 2024 9:29 PM

The policy could lead to significant resignations, as the incoming administration hopes. Whether it eliminates deadwood or not is more questionable---it's quite possible it will do the opposite. Many of the most skilled and dedicated government workers work for the government because of the lifestyle. The government pay scale and starting vacation allowance are not competitive with the private sector, but the government does offer shorter work hours and more frequent work at home. If hours become longer and daily reporting to the office is required, there may be little reason left for marketable employees to remain with the government.

The lazy and unskilled, on the other hand, don't have many outside options. Although they may resent going to the office every day, they will likely prefer it to be unemployed. And being in the office will not do a thing to make them more productive. The inefficiency in government doesn't result from a lack of in-person supervision. (It's just as possible to determine whether a remote worker is getting anything done as it is for an on-site employee.) The inefficiency results, instead, from a lack of accountability. Anyone who has worked in government knows that everyone is already aware which colleagues are useless, whether they work in the office or not. The problem is that the legal protections Federal workers enjoy make it virtually impossible to fire even people who do nothing at all.

Unless the administration plans to institute a reasonable level of employee accountability (rather than just political loyalty tests), this move will probably lead to a less efficient, less competent Federal workforce. And despite whatever nonsense conservatives spout, non-defense Federal payroll is simply not a big enough number that anybody is going to enjoy lower taxes as a result of drastically reducing "bureaucracy".

by Anonymousreply 55November 21, 2024 9:41 PM

[quote]I’d like to believe cutting their social security or Medicare or doing away with overtime pay and all of the things that the middle class and lower classes depend on would convince MAGA to stop voting for the GOP.

Unfortunately, that's not how it's going to happen, they are going to protect those as their cover for what they really want to do to America. They are not totally stupid, they know MAGA only sees what's in their face and cutting those would piss off their base. They will use those issues like Trump did with his no tax on tips to con them into believing he's making their lives better. They wont notice the 5 Trillion adding to the national debt, the erosion of fairness laws, the leaking of top secrets to Russia, and twisting courts into their puppets.

by Anonymousreply 56November 22, 2024 7:19 AM

[quote]They wont notice the 5 Trillion adding to the national debt

Well, not until Democrats are back in office. Then raising the debt ceiling will suddenly become the most awful thing in the world again.

by Anonymousreply 57November 22, 2024 2:43 PM

I hate it when the gop steal some of the best issues and win elections that way.

by Anonymousreply 58November 22, 2024 2:51 PM

What is the best issue you ate speaking of?

by Anonymousreply 59November 22, 2024 2:58 PM

The problem is deep and both parties bear some responsibility.

The Federal Government has ramped up outsourcing ever since Reagan. The Bushes, Clinton, Obama, they all did it as a means of keeping down the apparent [italic] size [/italic] (i.e. number of people) of government.

Using contractors also made it easier to make budget “cuts” when circumstances demanded, without going through complex Office of Personnel Management procedures; And, [italic] in some cases, [/italic] contractors had a particular expertise.

Unfortunately, it’s gotten out of hand. Increasingly, teams of callow, overpaid, B-School graduates at places like McKinsey; Booz Allen; and CACI, who haven’t a fucking clue, are tasked with implementing complicated government programs. The original disastrous rollout of Health.gov is one example.

Over the past two centuries the senior ranks of federal government have mostly learned how to address variations in needs of 100+ million households. THAT’S what government’s expertise is.

Elon will try to assign gobs more operations to companies who can’t handle them (you want to turn Social Security’s desk operations for 70 year old grandparents over to Accenture?).

by Anonymousreply 60November 22, 2024 3:39 PM

Having these two guys — who do not have government jobs or a department to run — rant and threaten people is a way to create instability without doing anything specific. It’s the perfect Trump strategy.

by Anonymousreply 61November 22, 2024 3:46 PM

Of course neither they nor Trump have the power to do any of this. Idiots. Just more chaos.

by Anonymousreply 62November 22, 2024 4:16 PM

Well, I put in for retirement yesterday. I can't afford the mental health toll of the Sword of Damocles hanging over my head every day when I can get something more secure and closer to home.

I wanted to stay, but I'm not going to be used to hurt taxpayers OR take an oath to a motherfucking TRAITOR and his bich ball lickers.

by Anonymousreply 63November 22, 2024 6:05 PM

The government workforce just makes up just15% of the federal budget. This is showboating because they know they can't touch the huge portions: Military, Medicare, and Social Security.

Also, this is being done to find savings to cover the monster tax cuts for the rich Trump plans to push through

by Anonymousreply 64November 22, 2024 9:01 PM

[quote] I hate it when the gop steal some of the best issues and win elections that way.

The GOP is great at making up issues and scaring people to vote for them

by Anonymousreply 65November 22, 2024 9:02 PM

R64, yes, the Republicans will do what they always do: pass tax cuts for the rich, radically increase the deficit, then use "the deficit" as an excuse not to enact anything relevant to ordinary people.

by Anonymousreply 66November 22, 2024 9:07 PM

R63, Good you have the option but if it’s your financial interest, you should stick around. Things might not be that bad and as long as you can always retire, you’re good. But you know your own situation so good luck!

One of Trump’s old aides said it will be easier for Musk to go to Mars than reform the government!

by Anonymousreply 67November 22, 2024 9:12 PM

Always head-scratching that voters don't see that whenever the GOP is in power, the first thing they do is cut taxes for the rich. Sure, they sell it as a tax cut for everyone, but the scale is so skewed.

Plus, it's not a tax cut, it's tax postponement

by Anonymousreply 68November 22, 2024 9:15 PM

[quote] Musk and Ramaswamy, two loyal Trump allies, were tapped to lead the effort to "dismantle government bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, and restructure federal agencies."

Nothing says efficiency like a department with two leaders.

by Anonymousreply 69November 22, 2024 9:18 PM

Democrats need to go full class warfare on the tax cut. Trump and his billionaires took care of themselves permanently and want to take another dip while they don’t do anything big extent status quo for everyone else. And they will expect us to pay the debt.

by Anonymousreply 70November 22, 2024 9:19 PM

I’ve considered it, r67, but if they start mass firing people (and they will attempt it and let it drag out in court while we starve), I lose my healthcare.

Since they’re also going to kill the ACA and Medicaid, it’s not worth the risk to me.

Don’t ever think they won’t go after Social Security and Medicare, either. Skeletor Scott has been screaming about it for years, and so gave the rest of these cunts. Who will stop them? Dumb fucks voted for this shit so they’ll do it, make no mistake.

Nope, I refuse to be a party to this rancid, hateful shitshow.

And since they won’t honor any contracts with ME, I’m not going to honor any with them and go to work at a tax preparer. Let them sue. I’ll get my public record say.

by Anonymousreply 71November 22, 2024 9:37 PM

Large Marge is going to join the DOGE boys. Making the 🍿 for this 💩 show.

by Anonymousreply 72November 22, 2024 9:42 PM

When I was teaching American Govt., I used to look around the room and point at things at random to show my students how ubiquitous (and not necessarily just federal) government regulation was/is in their lives. "See that EXIT sign above the door? That's there because the government says it has to be there so you can see to get out in case of a fire. How 'bout those fluorescent lights up there? The government regulates what they're made of. The fire extinguisher behind that glass? That's for your safety as well. What about the wiring in this room? That's installed to codes set by the government. And did you sit at any red lights today? Stop at any stop signs? Those things are put there because the government doesn't want you to hit each other head-on while you're driving to school."

Now, let's extrapolate this to the MAGA dummies: what's going to happen if there are no food safety regulations and e-coli runs rampant? How 'bout if people are dying at their factory jobs because there are no more OSHA regulations keeping people from keeling over on the shop floor? Or falling into a quarry? Drinking water regulations? Fuck that! Buy bottled water, and still, there's no guarantee it will be safe to drink. Xmas trees catching on fire due to defective lights. I could go on and on.

Public administration was my main Ph.D. field, but I could never get a job with the Feds, because people believe that the government should be run like a business. Guess what? The government is [bold]nothing[/bold] like a business. It's not meant to make a profit; it exists solely to serve the people of this country.

Well, any pretense of that just went right down the toilet. Let them see what it's like to eat rotten meat, drink contaminated water, buy bad gas, have appliances blow up and TVs catch on fire. People think government regulation is a bad thing, but they're the first ones to cry, "Why didn't the government do something?" when a train carrying toxic shit goes off the tracks, or an oil rig explodes and blows millions of gallons of oil into the ocean, or people fall to their deaths because a bridge isn't built to code.

I can hardly wait.

by Anonymousreply 73November 23, 2024 12:19 AM

[quote] Let them see what it's like to eat rotten meat, drink contaminated water, buy bad gas, have appliances blow up and TVs catch on fire.

Yes, but unfortunately this will affect ALL of us.

by Anonymousreply 74November 23, 2024 12:39 AM

You are totally excused, R73. Fascinating read.

by Anonymousreply 75November 23, 2024 12:53 AM

They're sadistic fuckers.

by Anonymousreply 76November 23, 2024 1:01 AM

You betcha, R74. That's why I'm getting my paperwork together to leave the US, and my recommendation is for any and all who can manage it to do the same.

Especially us old folks -- it's time for these young people to step up to the plate and put their money where their mouths are (or something like that). Half of what they have now is because I and others like me marched in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Now it's their turn.

by Anonymousreply 77November 23, 2024 1:06 AM

There was a PBS American Experience called something like The Poisoners Club. It was about pre regulation deaths from bad meat, tainted medications, milk doctored with chalk and stuff like that. Really eye opening shit.

Government regulations were put in place because so many people were dying from every day shit they came in contact with. And it wasn’t that long ago, either.

Think of the short cuts China takes on THEIR food. Remember when a bunch of dogs and cats died here because the cheap Chinese treats being sold at cut rate stores were tainted with melamine? I remember it. My brother’s boxer was sick for a week and almost died from that shit.

Well, it’ll start happening here soon enough. These greedy ass corporations will cut the same corners and put the same “fillers” in our food. People will die. The companies will be sued, but it won’t be enough to make them stop.

Start growing your own food or join a coop, or find a local farmers market if you can. It’s the only way to be sure what’s in your food.

by Anonymousreply 78November 23, 2024 3:05 AM

In the UK the Cameron government introduced a moronic "one in, one out" system, by which any new regulation required an old one to be terminated. Later it became one in, two and then three out. It was widely blamed as contributing to the Grenfell tragedy, as a result of it cutting building codes and therefore fire safety.

I'd expect to see these fuckwits copy that.

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by Anonymousreply 79November 23, 2024 3:36 AM

[quote] Fuck the maggots. And fuck the stupid people who couldn’t get off their fucking lazy asses and vote.

People did vote and they voted for Trump.

by Anonymousreply 80November 23, 2024 3:46 AM

30% of Americans did not vote. So the 70% was split down the middle +- 1%. That means only about 35% of Americans voted to put Trump in office. [bold]Trump did not win the majority of voters, he won the plurality.

by Anonymousreply 81November 23, 2024 5:28 AM

[quote] I've seen a couple of things on the internet, YouTube and one other mention, that Trump voters are already beginning to regret their decisions. The realities of how Trump is going to possibly hurt them are slapping them in their moronic faces.

I've been watching those FAFO videos on YouTube and TikTok. Earlier tonight, a friend came over for a movie/dinner night. We were talking during dinner and he was telling me how his Trumpster step-sister is freaking about possible cuts to SSDI.

by Anonymousreply 82November 23, 2024 6:32 AM

So the goal is for America to become more like India?

by Anonymousreply 83November 23, 2024 7:52 AM

I love to hear it, r82.

These stories give me life! I shall delight in their suffering, mainly because their hate and stupidity will hurt others so they should suffer as well.

Fuck those dumb cunts.

by Anonymousreply 84November 23, 2024 8:17 AM

This is Nazi Germany 2.0. Our only slight hope is that Trump is a dumbfuck and Hitler was not. Of course Trump has the benefit of the intelligence of the 2025 project creators,

Everything in this thread sounds like the prequel to full on fascist . The Germans didn’t wake up one morning and say let’s burn a bunch of Jews Gypsies mentally retarded whoever the fuck

It was a s l o w burn , a consistent chipping away at peoples rights and a consistent push to those in power to convince the regular people that Nazis were their friend , like Trump

by Anonymousreply 85November 23, 2024 8:25 AM

Most Americans have done absolute shit to better their country other than pay taxes. Delusional to suggest, as has on this thread, that some marching in the 70s is the reason people have what they do today. Delusional.

Most Americans don’t do shit except look out for their own interests. They don’t serve in any way, they are not the police, the firefighters, the military, the teachers.

They suck up resources, spread disease, whine, complain about everything , suck up more resources, and do thing that helps with anything. Posting on the Internet does not count for shit..

We are the fat the lazy the entitled the dead weight. And now the disappointed.

by Anonymousreply 86November 23, 2024 11:37 AM

^^^That's why, since the election, I have officially stopped picking up the trash on my Adopt-a-Road. Why should I clean up after these lazy fucking Trumpers who just throw shit out of their truck windows and think it will disappear on its own? Or the big things that fly off the back of trucks that are actually a hazard on the road?

I first started picking up trash there because a truck full of floor tiles spilled about 30 brand new tiles on the road and nobody did a thing and I just got tired of looking at them, and I've been doing it ever since (three years). No more. See what it's like to live in your own filth (like they care).

One more thing -- probably most of you younger folks have never heard of this book, but if you want an idea of what things used to be like (and how they will be again), read a book called The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair. It will make the hair on the back of your neck stand up and probably make you cry as well. It's a quick read, though, and worth the time. It will enlighten you on how far we've come and perhaps help to prepare you for our bleak future. Sorry.

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by Anonymousreply 87November 23, 2024 2:39 PM

R68: They don't know cause they're not told. And they're not told because our right wing press (the owners and the million dollar shitgibbons in front of the cameras) WANTS those tax cuts baby. Same reason no new consumer was told about the War with Mexico we're going to have.

Chose your news sources wisely.

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by Anonymousreply 88November 23, 2024 3:50 PM

r84 You'll like LeopardsAteMyFace on Reddit then. Start with this one with "The Gay Republican" on Twitter suddenly finding out that the right hate him

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by Anonymousreply 89November 23, 2024 4:21 PM

R39 has obviously never had any dealings with the federal bureaucracy in their entire life other than filing taxes.

by Anonymousreply 90November 23, 2024 4:29 PM

You obviously don’t know how to read

by Anonymousreply 91November 23, 2024 5:23 PM

The federal bureaucracy is already incapable of regulating anything. Taking the jobs away will just render it non-existent.

by Anonymousreply 92November 23, 2024 5:31 PM

Excellent avoidance of hyperbole.

It’s so true that you receive no protection from airline, traffic, food, or other consumer measure.s. You are a rugged individualist who performs his own research and conducts his own vigilance, just like the 19th-century pioneers. You have much of which to be proud!

by Anonymousreply 93November 23, 2024 5:36 PM

I'm sure Musk will hire temps for air traffic control.

by Anonymousreply 94November 23, 2024 5:50 PM

Just imagine the TSA lines. But Musk doesn't care because you shouldn't be traveling anyway, you should be doing all your business over zoom

by Anonymousreply 95November 23, 2024 5:50 PM

R85, oh God. Just pack your bag and leave already. Why are you waiting for your horrible predictions to come true?

by Anonymousreply 96November 23, 2024 6:13 PM

[quote] 30% of Americans did not vote. So the 70% was split down the middle +- 1%. That means only about 35% of Americans voted to put Trump in office. Trump did not win the majority of voters, he won the plurality.

More people identify with Republicans than Democrats and Independents and non-voters now lean Republican.

by Anonymousreply 97November 24, 2024 1:57 AM

Many of those “independents” are independent in name only. They “lean” Republican because they ARE Republican’s, embarrassed to say they belong to the party of Rump.

by Anonymousreply 98November 24, 2024 6:50 AM

[quote]Department of Government Efficiency

[quote]DOGE intends to

I just realized the Department of Government Efficiency is based on a fucking meme coin.

Guess it's time to YOLO back into it. That damn coin is up 209% from last month.

by Anonymousreply 99November 24, 2024 7:05 AM

I feel for animals and children but most adults go against their better interests and it’s hard to pity them. There’s something very wrong with humans

by Anonymousreply 100November 24, 2024 7:11 AM

I feel bad for the non-humans.

I don't give a shit for the humans, especially the Americans. They vote for their own destruction.

by Anonymousreply 101November 24, 2024 7:14 AM

Here's the documentary mentioned in R78.

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by Anonymousreply 102November 24, 2024 12:57 PM

My medical school faculty position includes a substantial VA contract. I'm fully expecting a mandate to come down in the next year or so requiring a fealty oath to Trump. That's the day I'll head out the door. I'm over 62 and have that luxury.

by Anonymousreply 103November 24, 2024 1:54 PM

“ I’m expecting”

Will you keep working until you get that mandate? What if that mandate never comes? You will never be asked to sign a loyalty oath to Donald trump. Only a loon would think that is the way it’s going to go.

by Anonymousreply 104November 24, 2024 2:06 PM

Remembering how the last Trump term ended, there is nothing that seems unlikely. I remember hosting Thanksgiving in my garage. The man wanted the military to shoot protestors. He held up aid to put his signature on the checks.

And that was before the revenge freak lost the election, was criminally charged, and impeached for a second time.

by Anonymousreply 105November 24, 2024 2:14 PM

[quote]If I retire early, I get to keep my pension and health care.

Maybe.

by Anonymousreply 106November 24, 2024 2:27 PM

Are you kidding, R104? I taught at a number of community colleges here in FL and I also worked at a large public university (which shall remain nameless) reading and scoring college applications, and I had to sign a loyalty oath to the constitution of the state of Florida each and every time. And the first year I taught here was 2004, so you can't just blame it on DeSatan. It's been going on here for at least 20 years.

So why [italic]wouldn't[/italic] Trump do that?

by Anonymousreply 107November 25, 2024 2:50 AM

I had to sign a loyalty oath to work for the SUNY system. Which is so silly because what anarchists or terrorist wouldn’t sign a loyalty oath. On the other hand I had to grade students on how actively they worked for social justice which was also complete bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 108November 25, 2024 3:25 AM

R107 any first year freshman should understand that taking an oath to support the constitution of Germany is not the same as taking a personal oath to support Hitler. They are not the same..in fact they are very very different.

What the fuck kind,of college teacher are you? Must be STEM related.

Yes I have taken the oath to support the constitution of the US many times.. Many Americans have.. But since I never worked for a state govt like you do I was never once asked to take a state constitution oath..

by Anonymousreply 109November 25, 2024 10:03 AM

If you get bored sometime, R109, take a gander at the constitution of the state of Florida. Virtually every state law is put into the constitution (including many laws that have never even been implemented), so it is decidedly [bold]not[/bold] the same as taking an oath to defend the US against all enemies, foreign and domestic (which I have also done, but sadly, is not being implemented).

by Anonymousreply 110November 25, 2024 12:27 PM

This is scary.

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by Anonymousreply 111November 27, 2024 1:09 PM

R110 you could take a stand. Refuse to sign if you feel strongly about it. Stand up and go public.

Or just sign and lie.

As far as working it seems you have no problem working for and supporting a state govt with a section 27 .

by Anonymousreply 112November 27, 2024 1:59 PM

Some states also make you sign a pledge that you will not support companies that boycott Israel--which is freaky for am American to have to sign

by Anonymousreply 113November 27, 2024 2:10 PM

I needed work, R112 -- would you rather have had me go on SS disability like half the Florida population?

So I lied and signed.

Two years ago, I resigned from my last FL university job. In addition, I noted in my letter of resignation that, since I am a lesbian, and DeSatan had gone all-out after gay people, I was no longer comfortable working in such a restrictive environment. So it is on record with an entity of the FL state government that I'm a lesbian.

i wonder if you would have had the balls to do that, R112.

by Anonymousreply 114November 27, 2024 2:32 PM

R114 I cant say what I would have done since I have never lived in or worked for a homophobic state like you have that would make me sign and support a section 27.,

You took an Oath, signed and lied. Exactly what I suggested you could do above.

It’s easy to talk about standing up and fighting, like so many on DL go on and on about, but in the end just like R114 we will sign as requested and go along to get along.

We are not going to be fighting shit.

by Anonymousreply 115November 27, 2024 2:41 PM

The CFPB — the brainchild of progressive Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren — was created as part of the 2010 Dodd-Frank Act in the wake of the financial crisis and given the job of overseeing parts of the financial industry that interact with consumers.

The CFPB has put $17.5 billion back in Americans’ pockets in the form of monetary compensation, principal reductions, canceled debts, and other consumer relief resulting from its enforcement and supervision work.

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by Anonymousreply 116November 27, 2024 4:41 PM

The return-to-office debate got a bit spicier last week with Elon Musk's latest promise to make the government more efficient.

In an op-ed published by the Wall Street Journal, the billionaire appointed to head up the new Department of Government Efficiency (D.O.G.E) along with his co-lead Vivek Ramaswamy, laid out plans to reduce the overall size of the government and cut costs. And one part of that blueprint included mandating a full return-to-office for all Federal workers.

“Requiring federal employees to come to the office five days a week would result in a wave of voluntary terminations that we welcome: If federal employees don’t want to show up, American taxpayers shouldn’t pay them for the COVID-era privilege of staying home," they wrote.

In doing so, Musk and Ramaswamy seem to be openly announcing what some critics have long argued is a disguised impetus behind strict RTO mandates: Job cuts. One survey this year of more than 1,500 U.S. managers found that a quarter of C-suite executives were hoping that return-to-office policies would encourage employees to voluntarily quit. After all, it’s certainly cheaper than having to do layoffs and pay severance.

Other CEOs have discussed potential attrition due to five-day RTO mandates. Last month, Amazon Web Services CEO Matt Garman told staffers during an all-hands meeting that it’s “OK” if people don’t want to work in an office environment because there are “other companies around.” That led many employees to sign an open letter to corporate leadership noting his remarks were “inconsistent with the experiences of many employees” and “misrepresenting the realities of working at Amazon.”

Amazon CEO Andy Jassy pushed back against allegations that the company’s RTO requirement was an excuse to lay off workers and said the decision was “not a cost play.”

The Federal government is the nation’s largest employer, with over 2.2 million civilian staffers. Until now, each agency has been able to decide what workplace policy works best for them. Of the total number of Federal workers, roughly half work on-site, according to an August report from the U.S. Office of Management and Budget.

While remaining employees are eligible for remote work, the report found that only 228,000, or roughly 10%, were in remote positions where there was no expectation that they work in-person. And those who have the option to work remotely spent about 60% of working hours in-person at various job sites.

It's unclear if Musk and Ramaswamy will actually be able to implement a five-day RTO for Federal workers. And of course, the question remains: Will these CEOs return to the office themselves? That’s yet to be seen.

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by Anonymousreply 117November 27, 2024 8:57 PM

There are more than a few problems. New contracts have been negotiated for union workers with provisions for telework. Agencies have jettisoned or rented out space. One of my clients now has 1 desk for every 80 employees. Others have relocated and taken lower salaries based on locality pay.

These geniuses are going to find a lot of papercut-sized obstacles to their plans.

by Anonymousreply 118November 27, 2024 9:21 PM

Excepting a few contracts dealing with union employees federal civil service employees are not guaranteed working from home. There is an act that covers this.

If they want feds back in the office and they will most feds will be back in the office.

And any senior manager knowing that working from home was not a given they would have to be an idiot not to have the min space available for their employees.

Yes they will be back in the office. And it’s going to be fairly easy to pull off. And lots will quit or retire. R118

by Anonymousreply 119November 27, 2024 10:18 PM

Many may not retire, hoping for some buy out or severance

by Anonymousreply 120November 27, 2024 10:28 PM

[quote]We are not going to be fighting shit.

Honey @ R115, I did my fighting many years ago. That's one of the reasons you have the rights you have now. Please forgive me if, in my now late-60s, I no longer have the energy to fight. Besides, it's time for the younger folks who have been whining about the Boomers all these years to stand up and do the work for themselves for a change.

I'm planning to leave for Central America on a retirement visa. I have an appointment with the consulate next week to have my documents approved. See ya later, alligator! And don't bother to try to guilt me -- I've been out since I was 14 years old (in the early 70s); I know how many people's minds I've changed over that time period and the things I've sacrificed because I've been out.

Now it's your turn.

by Anonymousreply 121November 27, 2024 10:34 PM

Enjoy your retirement (escape) R121.

You deserve it!

I don't think there will be much fighting here in the US after you leave.

"The resistance" is going to get squashed like bugs by the right-wing Trump Nazi Party, and we will be pummeled into submission.

You're lucky you are getting out while you can.

It's going to be a rough road for the rest of us in the Theocratic States of MAGA.

by Anonymousreply 122November 27, 2024 10:38 PM

R121 you are just another beaten soul fleeing the country as fast as you can rather than stay and help turn this around. I hope you enjoy your time in SA,

“Women and children to the life boats first “

by Anonymousreply 123November 28, 2024 12:29 PM

[quote] Excepting a few contracts dealing with union employees federal civil service employees are not guaranteed working from home. There is an act that covers this.

Are you speculating or speaking from actual knowledge of the federal workforce.and it’s rules? What you are saying sounds made up.

by Anonymousreply 124November 28, 2024 12:52 PM

What a shit show

by Anonymousreply 125November 28, 2024 1:13 PM

R124 certainly speculating and from first hand knowledge as a former fed manager of fed programs. In 30+ years I was only vaguely aware that any fed was in a union. Unions were a non issue for Amy professional staff I knew.

Unions certainly had no say in anything my agency was involved in that I ever was aware of. Unions were more maintenance staff and maybe the janitors and cafeteria workers. Or contractors.

And no senior Fed manager who is the least bit competent would be giving their much needed office space away based on an adhoc program that is not guaranteed in any possible way and could be rescinded . at any moment.

by Anonymousreply 126November 28, 2024 1:15 PM

I will also guess that virtually no GS 5 no GS 11 no GS 15 is covered by a union contract that specifically says they do not need to work from the office.

by Anonymousreply 127November 28, 2024 1:18 PM

The unions recently resigned contracts that went to 2028. From what I believe, TW IS supported in them. GS 14, 15, and SES are not in unions but everyone else (except administrative officers) are in federal employee unions.

I don’t know if the contracts allow for negotiation over TW days year to year, but they cannot be eliminated. Also, people can’t be fired without cause. This moving everyone to schedule F, of course, may be a big issue, but I would assume the contracts must have language preventing that

by Anonymousreply 128November 28, 2024 1:27 PM

R126. So, we’re you a federal employee or not?

I have worked in the federal government. Although it may be true that not many were part of the union, everyone in my department at least was free to join at any time. Most people didn’t join because they didn’t have any particular right or workplace condition they felt was threatened. It wasn’t worth their time. If a massive change in workplace conditions were announced, the natural step would be to John the union, and the union is powerful.

But I only worked a short time in government. Your tenure was probably longer?

by Anonymousreply 129November 28, 2024 1:30 PM

R126, if you have worked in the post-pandemic environment, your information is obsolete. Agencies were trying to reduce their real estate footprint before the pandemic. As for union contracts, over a million federal employees are union members.

by Anonymousreply 130November 28, 2024 1:30 PM

^have *not.* worked in the post pandemic

by Anonymousreply 131November 28, 2024 1:32 PM

[quote]GS 14, 15, and SES are not in unions but everyone else (except administrative officers) are in federal employee unions.[quote]

Would you please stop posting total nonsense from your imagination? I was within these grades and, like everyone else was free to join the union. Please stop lying

by Anonymousreply 132November 28, 2024 1:37 PM

[quote]Anyone who claims there is no bloat in the federal govt or that there are not programs that could be done away with or downsized has never worked in the federal govt in any significant capacity.

But trump's idiots aren't going to be able to tell which programs or departments or even just employees can be done away with. They're going to get rid of people whose jobs are critical.

by Anonymousreply 133November 28, 2024 1:43 PM

R132 yes there were unions when I was in. I knew they were there. I had no idea they actually did anything.

Would someone post a link showing one fed contract with a union that represents fed employees that says the GS 7s who are civil service employees and have a contract that says they do not have to come into the offices to work.

One example should not be so hard ? Unless none exist.

Show us don’t tell us

by Anonymousreply 134November 28, 2024 2:05 PM

And let’s face it if you are expecting lots of retirements or folks quoting because they now have to return to the office extra office space is not going to be a major issue.

by Anonymousreply 135November 28, 2024 2:07 PM

R134, here is DHA. Joni Ernst went crazy about it. And let’s be clear - you are not working in the federal government and haven’t since 2020?

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by Anonymousreply 136November 28, 2024 2:12 PM

[Quote] Would you please stop posting total nonsense from your imagination? I was within these grades and, like everyone else was free to join the union. Please stop lying

Yes, you paid union dues and you were in the union

by Anonymousreply 137November 28, 2024 2:15 PM

[Quote] Anyone who claims there is no bloat in the federal govt or that there are not programs that could be done away with or downsized has never worked in the federal govt in any significant capacity.

Sure, there might be some bloat, but overall it is the correct size for the population. This is why, in administration after administration, when they try to make government more efficient, they end up making it bigger

by Anonymousreply 138November 28, 2024 2:17 PM

Every admin I lived thru and had to work with downsized and made some programs smaller or entirely go away and created new programs or made others larger.

I worked for some really hated programs :-)

The number of feds may or may not change as these new programs come and old ones go but reorganizations will go on forever.

The back to work order will downsize the govt quickly. And hiring new employees to replace them can range from really really hard to impossible. It’s called a hiring freeze and I have lived thru a shit load of those back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 139November 28, 2024 2:25 PM

Yes, the most effective way to reduce government is to not allow the hiring of new people as the older ones leave.

That’s why agencies are rushing to hire now before the new administration gets in.

by Anonymousreply 140November 28, 2024 2:36 PM

R140 kind of like the end of the FY where every program manager , including me, tried as hard as we could to spend every last tax dollar as fast as we could that was not needed for important stuff during the FY.

Federal hiring is not a quick process. I hope those agencies stared hiring well before we got obliterated at the national level in the last election.

by Anonymousreply 141November 28, 2024 2:43 PM

[quote] And let’s face it if you are expecting lots of retirements or folks quoting because they now have to return to the office extra office space is not going to be a major issue.

Have you thought about how stupid this statement is? Most government teleworkers are required to in the office 20 percent of the time. To achieve the same office utilisation with a five-day-a-week requirement would require 80 percent of the teleworking employees to quit. Geez.

by Anonymousreply 142November 28, 2024 2:44 PM

R142 I expect some of those who commute from Fredrick md to DC one day a week will now continue to work even if they now have to commute from Fredrick to DC 5 days a week.

Others will quit.

Neither of us know how many will do either the first or the second.

by Anonymousreply 143November 28, 2024 2:56 PM

And no :-)

I was not saying that everyone that now worked from home would be required to quit the federal govt. could you point to the comment where you thought anyone said that?

Many will decide to quit

R143

by Anonymousreply 144November 28, 2024 2:59 PM

I don’t think there will be mass quitting. Those near retirement might (or wait for a buy out). Before the pandemic, people used to work 5 days a week. Most will grin a bear it. We all need jobs and remote ones are harder to find nowadays

by Anonymousreply 145November 28, 2024 3:01 PM

I didn’t claim to have any idea whatsoever who will quit. So I don’t have the slightest idea why you wrote that

Your reassurances do rest on the piece of stupidity I cited.

by Anonymousreply 146November 28, 2024 3:10 PM

The first thing they want to get rid of is the Consumer Protection Agency. Because you know, it helps the little people from big companies and it was created by a Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 147November 29, 2024 1:36 PM

They'll want toget rid of the Commodies Futures Trading Commission so as to really crash the economy

by Anonymousreply 148November 30, 2024 4:11 PM

Modern day robber barons have basically taken over the Government coffers. Don't be surprised if at the end of 4 years of pilfering money Elon becomes the world's first Trillionaire. The rest of you poors will lose your EBT benefits, goodby food stamps. Budgets has to be cut somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 149November 30, 2024 11:42 PM

Correct R149.

by Anonymousreply 150December 1, 2024 2:54 AM

If everyone got so smart after the election why could you not tell us what would happen during the election?

Wrong virtually all of us right up until the last night of the election now we can read the future accurately ?

If DL says it’s going to be the Up then the smart money will be betting the Down.

Pax Americana and the long Reign of Conservative Dominance?

by Anonymousreply 151December 1, 2024 11:34 AM

Hope the unions have lots of good lawyers. People close to retirement will leave.Some workers will quit but don’t most people to need to work? Hiring freezes and some departments wiped out. But in the end a drop in the bucket because no one will cut defense, Medicare or Social,Security.

Every department that negatively affects Musk is in danger.

by Anonymousreply 152December 1, 2024 12:25 PM

[quote]Some workers will quit but don’t most people to need to work?

Who the hell are you, R152 -- GWB? There wouldn't be many people working if they didn't have to.

I bet you can't you tell me the price of a gallon of milk, either.

by Anonymousreply 153December 1, 2024 1:12 PM

Posters said there will be mass resignations when fed workers can’t work from home. I only meant who are the lucky ones who can afford to quit for any reason?

by Anonymousreply 154December 1, 2024 1:16 PM

Civil service employees are never going to have enough wealth to just quit their jobs.

by Anonymousreply 155December 1, 2024 2:32 PM

R155 has never done recruiting and hiring in the federal govt. Many do quit and some that leave do better and some do worse and some just do something different.

Some also retire as early as they can

by Anonymousreply 156December 1, 2024 2:48 PM

"This country is going to be like one of those Central or South American countries where only a handful of the wealthy and powerful own all of the land and resources and the rest of us are in the masses of poor people."

20 or so years ago my mother made that remark to me. I politely listened, considered it in silence for a few moments and made some insignificant response.

Obviously, her words lingered with me, probably because my Mom was astute and perceptive. She had a way of sizing up things and calling them correctly, even if I was slow on the uptake.

Correct again, Mom.

I'm not sure how long private sector jobs will around, too.

Automation and that we know longer manufacture goods, while the wealthy manufacture financial instruments to benefit themselves and make income inequality an ever-increasing reality are the writing on the wall.

by Anonymousreply 157December 1, 2024 3:36 PM

we no longer ^

Spelling and grammar count the most in times like this.

by Anonymousreply 158December 1, 2024 4:01 PM

[quote] Don't be surprised if at the end of 4 years of pilfering money Elon becomes the world's first Trillionaire.

Speaking of....

[bold]Elon Musk’s DOGE partner Vivek Ramaswamy says they’ll scrutinize $6.6 billion Biden loan to Tesla rival Rivian[/bold]

Donald Trump’s designated government efficiency co-czar, Vivek Ramaswamy, signaled his intention to scrutinize a loan granted by the Biden administration to EV manufacturer Rivian (RIVN), a rival of Tesla (TSLA).

Ramaswamy, the founder of several biotech firms collectively known as the “Vants,” is due to take charge of the quasi-official Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, once Trump is sworn in. Together with DOGE co-leader Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla, their task is to radically reduce the size of the U.S. government by slashing regulations, sacking federal employees and eliminating waste in the system with a goal of lopping $2 trillion from the budget.

They have already pointed to spending earmarked for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and Planned Parenthood, two organizations long targeted by Republicans, as a starting point for cuts. This could now extend to Rivian as well.

“Biden is forking over $6.6 billion to EV-maker Rivian to build a Georgia plant they’ve already halted,” he posted on Thursday. “One ‘justification’ is the 7,500 jobs it creates, but that implies a cost of $880k/job, which is insane. This smells more like a political shot across the bow at Elon Musk and Tesla.”

The loan would go to financing the construction of Rivian's second factory, where it is expected to eventually build the R2 family of mid-size Rivians, positioned below the electric R1T pickup truck and R1S sport utility vehicle. In March, Rivian founder and CEO RJ Scaringe delayed construction to conserve cash.

There are reasons this loan could be viewed as political in nature. Helping build a financially ailing Tesla rival into a serious EV competitor would weaken Musk, who played a key role in evicting the Democrats from all branches of government this month. Indeed the Democratic governor of California conspicuously snubbed Tesla from a new state plan to extend EV subsidies to car buyers.

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by Anonymousreply 159December 1, 2024 5:10 PM

I'm worried for my good friend who works for the National Archives Records Administration. NARA isn't exactly a controversial agency - in fact they help a lot of veterans track down needed info and documents - but still. He's been back at work in the office for a while now. He does have one work-from-home day per week, but that's it. He shouldn't be a target based on the DOGE criteria and talk, but who knows. Bitches are crazy.

by Anonymousreply 160December 1, 2024 5:45 PM

“Isn’t exactly a controversial agency” said R160 who must know little about the NARA.

What grade and how long has your friend been a civil service employee ? Veteran or not? He should have significant protections if a RIF comes. But that kind of depends on the answers to those questions.

And guess who is upset with the NARA?

by Anonymousreply 161December 1, 2024 5:53 PM

And who will benefit from mass firings? Not ordinary taxpayers. Only the wealthy, who can benefit from no oversight or regulation. This is a return to the Gilded Age: enormous wealth inequality, nepotism, criminality and incompetence. I don't think that we will get attractive mansions out of it this go-around though.

by Anonymousreply 162December 1, 2024 6:04 PM

No, nor any museums or plazas.

Just tacky white trash crap from these tasteless, weird freaks.

by Anonymousreply 163December 1, 2024 7:29 PM

I'd get my resume ready if I worked for NPR, as well.

by Anonymousreply 164December 1, 2024 7:50 PM

At least the robber barons had taste!

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by Anonymousreply 165December 1, 2024 7:53 PM
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by Anonymousreply 166December 1, 2024 7:57 PM

Rivian is funded primarily by Mitsubishi.

by Anonymousreply 167December 2, 2024 4:36 AM

Great. Fuck it. Let them fire everyone.

by Anonymousreply 168December 2, 2024 4:54 AM

Crazy eyed motherfucker

by Anonymousreply 169December 2, 2024 5:21 AM

[quote]Rivian is funded primarily by Mitsubishi.

Not if they are getting a $6.6 Billion loan from the taxpayers.

And that company is not creating 7,500 jobs. That's bullshit.

[quote]“Biden is forking over $6.6 billion to EV-maker Rivian to build a Georgia plant they’ve already halted,” he posted on Thursday. “One ‘justification’ is the 7,500 jobs it creates, but that implies a cost of $880k/job, which is insane. This smells more like a political shot across the bow at Elon Musk and Tesla.”

$880k/job. That is VILE. Three quarters of that is GRIFT. Biden should have been ashamed of that deal.

Georgia's repug governor has been involved in these manufacturing facilities that were brought to the state with giant loans and lots of rebates, concessions, tax cuts, etc. One of the last ones was with a Korean company. It BARELY created jobs for Georgians. The plant brought in Korean workers. I live in Georgia and you won't find articles about that, but the people in that town say the company barely hires any locals. When they do need local workers, they go through a staffing agency and only use temp workers (no benefits, low pay, can fired for anything)

by Anonymousreply 170December 2, 2024 2:14 PM

There's a reason states compete for manufacturing jobs. Service jobs don't pay shit.

by Anonymousreply 171December 2, 2024 2:35 PM

It'll take more than layoffs. Yes, they're an inevitable part of "efficiency" but that just scratches the surface.

Plus they'll almost certainly cut too many jobs initially which will lead to negative results causing more of the electorate to moan.

I kind of like it, though, because the more they do, the fewer hiding places they'll have when it all starts to collapse like a house of cards.

by Anonymousreply 172December 2, 2024 2:44 PM

“ I kind of like it” when R172 was asked about the many workers that will lose their jobs

by Anonymousreply 173December 2, 2024 3:30 PM

the Fed gov is the largest employer in the US. These massive firings are sure to be very popular with the millions of people terrified of these two fools. I certainly hope the MAGA idiots who work for the gov't are scared out of their gourds.

by Anonymousreply 174December 2, 2024 6:20 PM

By what authority do they intend to do this? What a bunch of clowns.

by Anonymousreply 175December 2, 2024 7:18 PM

If they can employ technology, it wouldn't surprise if they attempt to determine who is likely to be a Democrat and who is likely to be a Republican, and fire accordingly, but make it look random.

by Anonymousreply 176December 2, 2024 7:22 PM

R175, does authority matter anymore? This is a huge issue. One of the reasons that people want to live in and invest in the U.S. is that it has a stable legal system. If you destroy the rule of law here, it’s not going to magically grow back. There are going to be all kinds of unintended consequences.

by Anonymousreply 177December 2, 2024 7:27 PM

A stable legal system is why people want to do business in the US. They don't want to do business in a shithole like Russia where the dictator can seize their assets on a whim.

But let's make American Russia. It'll work out really well....for the dictator and his oligarchs. The rest of us, not so much.

by Anonymousreply 178December 2, 2024 8:38 PM

"The markets love political stability" my stockbroker uncle used to always say after every election.

by Anonymousreply 179December 3, 2024 3:10 AM

[quote] Elon Musk is planning a rude awakening for 94% of federal workers by monitoring their every move

Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy—two billionaire entrepreneurs and new Trump administration advisors—are making bold promises. Namely: This week, the duo told Congress that through their advisory board, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), they’ll reduce “government waste” by $2 trillion.

The catch: Those savings will come through nixing federal employees’ ability to work remotely.

A particularly vocal advocate of DOGE is Joni Ernst, the Republican senator from Iowa, whose office released a 60-page report decrying the prevalence of remote work in government jobs.

“Growing up on a farm, I know what working from home really means. But in Washington, working from home apparently means having a field day,” Ernst wrote. “If bureaucrats want to be out of the office so badly, we can make that wish come true by putting them out to pasture for good.”

Ernst, who chairs the Senate DOGE caucus, claimed in the report that just 6% of federal workers actually work in-person full-time. That 94% segment is who Musk and Ramaswamy are zeroing in on.

“If you exclude security guards & maintenance personnel, the number of government workers who show up in person and do 40 hours of work a week is closer to 1%! Almost no one,” Musk wrote on X, linking to a New York Post write-up of Ernst’s report.

“Literally thousands of empty buildings, not just in America, but around the world, paid for with your tax dollars!” Musk wrote in a follow-up X post.

Per The Daily Mail, Ernst is sponsoring a DOGE-related bill, titled the REMOTE Act, which will permit “software to monitor bureaucrats' computer use and require agency reports on the adverse impacts of telework.”

The software proposed in the bill will be, at its core, a tracking device. Per the Mail, it would “periodically review the network traffic generated by each such teleworking employee,” tally up the “average number of logins” each employee makes, count how long they spend online, and also collect any generated network traffic.

The tracking is hardly a new phenomenon, particularly among CEOs anxious about losing control of their remote-first workforce. In 2022, the New York Times reported that J.P. Morgan, Barclays Bank, and UnitedHealth Group all track employees, monitoring how long it takes them to write an email and each individual keystroke.

Musk, in particular, has made no secret of his distaste for remote work—or flexible work of any kind—in his capacity as CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, as well as owner of X, formerly Twitter.

In 2022, Musk told Tesla employees in a company email he expected them to report into the office 40 hours per week or “we will assume you have resigned.” And one of his first moves after purchasing X in October 2022 was to threaten layoffs for any workers who refused to come into the office, claiming remote workers were just “pretending” to work and insisting that any workers desiring flexible options run their requests by him personally.

On Thursday, Musk and Ramaswamy attended “several closed-door meetings,” ABC News reported, with a smattering of Republican congresspeople and senators in an attempt to garner support for their plan.

The businessmen, who President-elect Donald Trump selected to lead an external advisory board called the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), attended several closed-door meetings with GOP senators and House members to sell their plans to cut as much as $2 trillion from the federal budget of what they called waste.

In a November op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, Musk and Ramaswamy wrote that “mass head-count reductions across the federal bureaucracy” will be the main way of cutting trillions in costs.

“Requiring federal employees to come to the office five days a week would result in a wave of voluntary terminations that we welcome,” they wrote. “If federal employees don’t want to show up, American taxpayers shouldn’t pay them for the COVID-era privilege of staying home.”

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by Anonymousreply 180December 12, 2024 12:17 PM

Ending work from home would be the easiest first step for them. and give workers more choice about what they wanted to do. Much easier than any actual layoffs.

by Anonymousreply 181December 12, 2024 1:40 PM

I wish they’d all just die.

by Anonymousreply 182December 12, 2024 2:11 PM

R173 Haha - delayed reaction here, but that's not what I said.

I'm not happy at anyone losing their jobs, but I am happy at the thought of Musk and Ramaswamy's plans coming crashing down around them. It'll finally show the pair up as the shysters they are.

by Anonymousreply 183December 12, 2024 2:15 PM

Look up Reagan's Grace Commission and see how well that went.

by Anonymousreply 184December 12, 2024 2:25 PM

[quote] I wish they’d all just die.

Well, RFK Jr was photographed on Trump's plane along with Musk. Many people have forgotten about the Kennedy Curse and how Joe Kennedy Jr, Kathleen "Kick" Kennedy, and JFK Jr all died in plane crashes. Some people will point out that Joe Jr's death was war related. But, other might say that was start of the curse.

At the very least, I think RFK Jr's crazy anti-vax and other weird beliefs will lead to this death. He might not live into his 90s like Mommy Ethel. He's probably not all that healthy due to past drug use (probably brain damage and the worm damage) and eating roadkill meat. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a roid user. I see a heart attack or some illness taking him out. Let's say something about happens to him before the end of 2025 and dumb ass Cheryl Hines is stuck with a bunch of that Make America Healthy Again products that she's been schilling.

by Anonymousreply 185December 12, 2024 3:07 PM

Are all of the empty federal office buildings still sitting there, empty? This many years after Covid and WFH became the norm. If so, then it might make sense to do something with them again, since the commercial real estate market has tanked and there might be a loss in selling them.

They'll have to pay for the costs of keeping the heat/AC and lights on for all of those onsite employees again. Also building landscaping, upkeep and maintenance, all those things they've been saving money on lately. Gas emissions will rise as well, as more workers hit to road to work every day.

by Anonymousreply 186December 12, 2024 5:06 PM

R186. Pushing people into currently empty buildings does not save any money at all even if there are no incremental occupancy costs. Your statement makes no sense. It’s a sunk cost.

by Anonymousreply 187December 12, 2024 6:15 PM

Republicans have fed on Americans’ total ignorance of the federal budget for at least 50 years. The total payroll for federal civilian employees is less than $300 billion. Even if the federal government could operate without any employees at all, that is all it could save in payroll costs. Of course, that would mean no federal prison guards, no one to process tax returns, no one to staff national parks, no to administer social security, and so on and so on.

The government does not spend its money primarily on hiring people. It spends most of its money on the elderly, interest on the debt, and the military. You will never get to anywhere near trillions in savings unless you touch those items.

Most Americans don’t want to admit that most of the federal budget is spent on them and their relatives and not on drug addicts, homeless people, immigrants, lazy federal workers, etc. It’s all too moronic for belief.

by Anonymousreply 188December 12, 2024 6:25 PM

There isn’t enough room to bring everyone back into the office full time.

There’s not. We are currently sharing desks either another shift. If they bring everyone back, there will be an entire shift of people with no workspace/computer jack/electrical space.

Neither of these two feckless pricks has a goddamned clue about anything. So full of their own shit

by Anonymousreply 189December 12, 2024 8:23 PM

My company owns its own building, doesn't rent. So naturally we were never allowed to work from home, because gotta fill that office!

I just love commuting 3 hours a day to increas the value of these fuckheads real estate portfolios

by Anonymousreply 190December 12, 2024 11:03 PM

But how does that increase the value of the real estate? It has no effect whatsoever.

by Anonymousreply 191December 12, 2024 11:14 PM
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