Dump did not receive a majority of votes

He has a mandate. He won the popular vote. That's all that matters and the narrative has been set. I don't know why you think anyone here can change that.

Won the popular vote. Won all 7 swing States. Won 312 electoral votes.

That's as good as it gets.

And to be clear, I wish it did matter. But he won against her in the popular vote and the fact it went below 50 and some people voted third party won't change the narrative. No one cares about those third parties.

R2 Very true though I’m just saying. Damn garbage can won every fucking swing state just like he said he would.

Nope. It was NO mandate

Even worse the Senate flipped Red gaining four seats, and they've retained control of the House. I think all four of those new Senators are Trumptards.

Won the popular vote, all 7 swing States, the electoral college, the House and the Senate.

If that's not a mandate, what is?

DT won by less than 2 percent of the popular vote. He won, but not a resounding victory like Biden did in 2020, who won by 7 million more votes.

Sure, Jan.

That's snooze to me OP

He will claim he has a mandate but the majority of voters did not vote for him

Face it. Americans are stupid.

And we have a mandate to put criminals in jail.

No shit, Shirley. This was fully expected. Do you not know how the counting process works?

The west coast is SUPER slow

Not slow—deliberate, because that is what California law requires.

And washington and Oregon.

[quote] The west coast is SUPER slow.

The Nation is published out of New York, and the author of that article, John Nichols, is said to live in Madison, WI.

He has a mandate, but he doesn't have an "overwhelming" mandate as he and his supporters have been crowing since Nov 5th. He will be just under 50% of the overall vote, with about 1% between him and Harris in the end - that's not overwhelming at all.

He did win all seven swing states and that is impressive. But he won by less than 2% in the Blue Wall states and GA. Republicans will only have the slimmest of majorities in the House, making it far easier to take back in 2026. And the Senate was always going to stay red and become redder this year, we all knew that Manchin and Tester's seats would flip. With hard work, the Senate is takeable in 2026 as well.

It’s one of the lowest popular vote margins in the history of US presidential races, with similarly slim margins in many congressional races. State-level ballot measures favored policies to support the working class and protect reproduction rights, even in states that went red on the federal level.

It’s unlikely that within two years, our red federal government will dismantle democracy so thoroughly that we won’t have 2026 midterms. If Rethug policies cause economic hardship as predicted, Democrat politicians will be an easier sell.

The country is very divided, almost evenly split. It’s a marginal majority.

Why are politics always a spectator sport? Like football is? This is people lives on the line, old fuckers like this Eldergay I have are addicted, and the old Maggats are too, they watch and get indoctrinated in whatever they happen to believe in, I just don't understand this, it is illogical to me.

It doesn't make sense that Kamala would be tying him in the polls for months- sometimes surpassing him- and raising more money. As soon as America saw she could talk and walk upright, the Anyone But Trump billions started pouring in.

It makes sense if you understood the first thing about presidential campaigns.

So tell us about it r23, do tell!

I’m not your mother. Read and learn.

Rigged!

Dum0 is 💩💩💩

^^^^

Dump

DT's swing state "victories" were mostly slim as well. Yes, Donnie won, but let 'em think they have a mandate or tell MAGAs it was a landslide. And they can repeat the same mistakes as before...

Well, technically he has (for now). It's just the difference is slim.

California needs to just separate from this garbage can ass country. Maybe bring along Washington and Oregon. And no I don’t want the northeast because I don’t want that trashy ass guido baggage.

“but this is Important”

The reason why someone who does not want political threads on DL starts another trump political thread on DL .And one that will do not even a tiny bit of good

This is what the left calls fighting . Making important posts :-)

George W. Bush also claimed he had a mandate in 2004 because Democrats didn't vote and Bush won the popular vote. But in that case too, it was a slim margin. Bush then claimed that because of his mandate, he was going to privatize Social Security. And that went over like a lead balloon, to be followed by Bush's other myriad failures. The tide turned in 2006 with big Democratic gains to be followed by Obama in 2008.

The same thing will happen here. Trump and the GOP will overreach and fuck up with their incompetence and evil doing. And the pendulum will swing back the other way. Democrats will be voted back in to clean up the mess of Republicans.

R33 What about the Trump presidency is rooted in history. Dubya was a respectable human being though an awful president.

People don’t get it. If the gop are behind in the voting in 2028 they will say the election was stolen. Their congress will agree. Their SC will agree. And they will control the military..

They are not planning to leave the WH

[quote] Dubya was a respectable human

No, he is a war criminal that illegally invaded Iraq (a country that did not attack us) and greenlit waterboarding/torture. Just because Mrs. Obama gave him a candy once doesn't change the facts.

Dick Cheney is a POS too.

Russian Hackers have been fighting on Russian social media about who should get the most credit for hacking our election and "electing" Trump President. Something about a hardcoded backdoor password.

There's already threads for conspiracy shit.

And BTW, if you can't figure out that Russian "hackers" bragging about stealing the election on Russian forums is really Russian intelligence posting stories to sow doubt in American institutions and spread divisiveness on the American side (they don't only do that with the right), then I don't know what to say.

Quite correct. He did not get a mandate. Reagan got a mandate. LBJ got a mandate. There's no such thing as a mandate in our country anymore. Trump got a little less than half the votes, representing about 22% of the population. A hundred thousand votes or so another way would have won it for Harris.

They are not planning to leave the WH

Perhaps people just don't get it now, they must feel pain. How about millions of people rioting in the streets and doing very unfriendly things, then the assault on the Capitol, it's all about how long the people want to suffer, and suffer the children, and they should, it's the only way to get people motivated, people must die one way or another.

Agree with r20, 100%.

For those convinced that Trump & Co aren't going to leave the WH, how are you so sure? He may refuse to leave the WH after a theoretical loss in 2028, but so? The new POTUS-elect can just move in someplace else, and start their administration there. They don't have to be located in the WH.

Trump would have to be in power for many years, and replace many people at many levels of the military and Deep State, to gain even marginal full control of the government. Our federal government is sprawling, with 100s of 1000s of employees over many states. The enormity of it makes it literally a living organism of its own, apart from everything else. It would be difficult for any one group in power to wrestle control over it.

Spoonamore is certain the ballot tallies were fucked with.

[quote] He may refuse to leave the WH after a theoretical loss in 2028,

In four years. I see him eating pudding cups and drooling.

Elon is guilty as Fuck!

"A hundred thousand votes or so another way would have won it for Harris"

It took just one line of code .

And if it all goes to shit, I could also see Trump quitting and retiring to the golf course. As long as he had a guarantee of never being prosecuted.

He barely won…margins still how x down.

The House will flip in 2026

going* down

The House ain't gonna flip. If nothing is done about this rigged election, WE are done!!

You’re dumb.

—writing from 2026

And judicially, we were already done because Ginsburg thought she could hold on beyond Obama, having absolutely no guarantee that Hillary (or some other Dem) would be elected president in 2016. And of course, there was the other stolen Supreme Court appointment that should have been Obama's as well, but set aside with no action taken due to McTurtle's political maneuvering. So that's two appointments we lost. Dump's three, young-ish arch-conservative appointments to the Supreme Court curing his first term could be there for another two-three decades.

Dump got 3 Supreme Court picks. 3. Everytime I think about I get pissed. How this bozo just completely transformed our fucking government. Good lord.

Blah blah…at current rates…Trump will have barely over 30 vacancies to fill on District and Circuit Courts. At the USSC—no matter, as already down to 6-3 on the fundamentals. Unless they start dropping dead, it’s all at the margins.

R53 is that ignorant mussy with no understanding of the ebb and flow of the Court over the decades.

R55 Fuck off. You think repubs would let a democrat get 3 in during one single term? And Ginsburg should have retired. Goddam nearly 90. Fucking retire h dumb slag. RIP. Liberals never think long game.

Uh oh, someone is pissed. Are we almost at MAFUCKIN' time?

R56 you type gibberish. You have no understanding —as if your entire knowledge of the Suprdme Court goes back all the way..

to 2016.

Supreme. :)

R58 You being an attorney does not mean u posses superior knowledge on government civics or the history of the court. Be well.

English, please.

Mafuckin' ma... fuckin' mafuck' ma fuck. ma fuck?

r62 The holidays can be a great time to start your mental health recovery. God bless. I believe in you.

It's cold comfort.

That’s life…

There was no mandate.

mandate smandate! Call it what you want; he won.

R42 they won’t want to leave. And if they think the election was stolen by the Dems why should they. They will own the house the senate the WH the SC. The military.

How do I know the election will be stolen? Because the losers or their supporters in the last 3 elections have all claimed that all 3 elections were stolen.

The claim will be made that 2028 was stolen as well, By those that want to destroy the country. No matter who wins.

R68: they won't "own" anything. They have the barest majority in the House as it is, it will be a struggle to keep that rowdy group of Republicans in line to vote as a bloc on anything (recall what happened in the last session). Trump has issues there already.

POTUS doesn't "own" the military, which is a huge, sprawling entity made up of 100s of departments and sub-units and entailing 100s of 1000s of employees, across many locations. Every single unit and person would need to move in lockstep to go against the grain and support any illegal attempt to overthrow an election, a nearly impossible task. At worst, we could see much civil unrest and internal confrontations between military operatives - but no one is angling for another Civil War here. Everyone has too much on the line: incomes and salaries for one thing. The US Military complex is a bureaucracy, and bureaucracies crave stability and lack of change.

And to add, who cares if they don't leave the WH? Let them camp out there for a while, until they get tired of it. The newly elected administration, whoever they might be, can simply set up offices and shop physically elsewhere in DC, and get down to governing.

Trump & Co can whine all they want about stolen votes, but without proof they've got nothing, just like they had in 2020.

Victory does not equal mandate.

Trump will soon find out when he tries to use all his political capital on something that gets gummed up in the works

Definitely was a mandate. Remember OP, perception equals reality in a post truth world. You are going to be incredibly frustrated for the next 4 years if you don't understand that.

It was a decisive victory.

It was not a decisive victory the vote was close but they only won the WH, Senate, and House.

R73 It was a decisive victory if you don't count the rigging.

[quote]It was a decisive victory.

It was a victory, and winning all three branches (WH/House/Senate) is a hat trick that doesn't happen as often as it used to.

But winning the popular vote by 1+ % isn't that that decisive. By that measure Biden's margins in 2020 were enormous, and I don't recall anyone using that kind of hyperbole 4 years ago. As stated, the margin in the House is RAZOR thin. With all of the dissension in the Republican group in that body, I wouldn't count on it begin easy to round them up for a consensus that often...it will be easier for Trump in the Senate, as long as Collins, Murkowski and Tillis in NC stay in line and don't go rogue, a la Manchin/Sinema.

[quote] But winning the popular vote by 1+ % isn't that that decisive.

You have to look at the result in its entirety. (WH/House/Senate).

I am r77, and as I said, it's a victory but not as overwhelming as MAGA and others are making out.

The House victory is barely that, it will not be the cakewalk for Trump at all - if even a couple of Repub members go out on vacation or stay home sick, the Dems have the majority that day. And this Republican class of clowns is NOT cohesive, they aren't the Trump-following monolith the rightwing would have you believe.

The difference in the popular vote is1+%, and Trump didn't end up hitting 50%. He won, but it's not the slam dunk they make it out.

We all knew for months the Senate was going red, due to Manchin and Tester's seats flipping. They got 3 seats instead of 2, not overwhelming and entirely reversible in 2026.

Japanese Army Generals Sept 1945

“Yes we lost but it was close”

[quote] It was a decisive victory if you don't count the rigging.

Fuck off.

The margin of Trump’s supposed victory is essentially 237,000 votes. The odds of a single candidate winning all 7 swing states is astronomical. Unless the Democrats do the smallest due diligence to verify the soundness of the election results, they will not have the trust of disenfranchised and disheartened voters enough to make any headway in 2026.

Kamala Harris once wrote , “It is misleading to suggest that impenetrable cybersecurity is possible; our focus must be on … detecting … any effort to harm us,” and we “can’t afford to be naive.”

She knows MAGAs breached voting systems in swing states. She should request recounts & ballot images.

Losers blame the refs winners get champaign and a parade.

Q—-Dad do losers ever not blame the refs?

A—-No son it’s human nature and the DL way