Laken Riley murder trial

[quote]Why is the US government providing free flights to the desitnation of their choice to illegal aliens?

Because Joe Biden and Kamala Harris want things to be that way.

Laken Riley is about to have a lot of things done in her name.

It also came out that he is indeed a Tren de Agua gang member.

Free flights for illegal immigrant gang members, apparently.

They also receive $1,400 per month for food and free medical care.

The suspect is so obviously guilty and doesn't show a shred of remorse

According to what I've read on social media, Laken was apparently wearing a Smartwatch that monitors heartrate.

Meaning there's literally data records of her heartbeat rising sharply during the struggle, then slowing down, then coming to a stop. That's an awful and eerie detail.

He was also arrested numerous times during his time in the US for things like shoplifting but never faced any consequences. He probably thought he would get away with murdering Laken too.

Do we know the logistics behind the free flights or the $1400 a month? Are they part of some social program that benefits them if they work?

I’m a lifelong Democrat but things really have gotten out of hand with the migrant situation. Biden was negligent and far too lenient in not cracking down in ways he should have, as President, in 2021-2024.

Unfortunately it looks like the pendulum is about to swing the other way, hard and extreme. But that’s what comes next when the Republican-led Homeland Security Committee of the House is able to put out facts like these:

R9 The thing is...most administrations have failed at border security. Why's Biden taking the hit?

Isn’t about time you people realize Biden wanted to flood the country with migrants? He literally said this in 2019.

Biden is an old school Catholic who abhorred the idea of a declining birthrate. He more or less said so when he insulted Japan. Do you remember the Monty Python skit that made fun of Catholics? That’s his mentality.

Because, ignoramus at R10, Biden INCREASED AND INCENTIVIZED MASS IMMIGRATION.

The Biden administration made several changes to immigration policy that have been linked to the migrant crisis:

1. Reversal of Trump-Era Policies: Biden ended measures like the “Remain in Mexico” policy, which required asylum seekers to wait in Mexico while their cases were processed. These reversals were seen by some as a softening of border enforcement.

2. Temporary Protected Status (TPS) Expansions: TPS was extended to nationals from crisis-stricken countries like Venezuela, Haiti, and Nicaragua, potentially encouraging more migration.

3. Legal Pathways and Parole Programs: Programs like CBP One and parole pathways for certain nationalities increased legal migration but also strained resources in some areas.

4. Policy Messaging and Perceptions: The administration’s focus on humane immigration reform may have been interpreted as leniency, motivating more migration attempts.

These changes, along with economic and political instability in migrants’ home countries, contributed to the current crisis.

Unpopular opinion: I don’t give a fuck about immigration. Does anyone think we need LESS low-skilled and manual labor, or that we especially needed fewer service workers after the pandemic? Maybe people live in different realities, but I am seeing a continually strained workforce in healthcare, construction work, child care, and food service. This doesn’t get better with fewer workers.

And then there are limousine liberals who are essentially Reaganaut Republicans like R13 who simply desire the most exploitable workforce possible.

[quote]Do we know the logistics behind the free flights or the $1400 a month? Are they part of some social program that benefits them if they work?

It shouldn't have been happening. Period.

These were Eric Adams programs to get people off New York streets. Facts or logic really don’t matter in these debates. It’s classic 1% behavior to put the middle and working class against meager (and usually exaggerated) benefits.

R13, where you wrote " a continually strained workforce in healthcare, construction work, child care, and food service"... I'm hoping that a sane Democrat will take the wheel in 2028 and tie fast-track immigration to direct shortages in our labor sectors. Trump's admin might even do that in 2026 or so, if voters start to get restive about food shortages and other labor shortages that impact our day to day, and if they blame Trump for it.

But before that happens, I'm good with letting Trump clean out a whole lot of migrants who bring nothing and take much -- and yes some of them are criminals, and a % of those are violent criminals. The numbers the GOP put out at my link in R9 are cherry picked but they are much more true than false. It's bad. It all needs a cleanup.

I’m in NYC half the year. Midtown. The migrants travel all over for free. There are buses on 7th and 8th Ave. You can get a free ride across the country. So, free top dollar Times Square hotel rooms, free atm cards, free health care, free clothing, free phones. They get $1,500 each to eat out foods they are comfortable eating. They all wear new clothes. Their kids have new bikes. The babies are left in strollers on 8th Ave parked by the broken bikes. The babies just sit there left I. The stroller while the guy supposedly watching the baby gets high on pot with others sitting in the gutter. Look across from The Row hotel in 8th Ave. They are EVERYWHERE all over midtown west. The Africans on bikes are in the thousands! On sidewalk, on stolen bikes. Delivering food for money by using stolen ID and setting up online ways to get their pay.

From the story: “New York City set up a so-called “reticketing center” in October 2023 which provided migrants with one-way plane tickets anywhere in the world in an effort to relieve pressure on city services which were inundated by the arrival of more than 130,000 asylum seekers.”

It's all insanity. Like R18 describes, the more you know, the more you understand there had to be a backlash, and that it was coming due.

I don't blame Kamala Harris the candidate for this, she was the Veep and never bestowed with actual power as a Border Czar like the Fox media universe insists she was -- but the migrant surge and fallout is indeed a major piece of the pie when you look at "why did voters in NYC and in California and in the cities nationwide, etc, shift toward Trump this time around?"

And yet Trump blocked the border bill that would have given the federal government more powers to stop this.

Tactically and sadly he was proven right, as power plays go. Deny Biden the solution to the crisis, simultaneously keep blaming Biden for the crisis, enough voters will absorb that narrative and not pay attention to the power play, and then Trump wins. Now Trump can and will go 10x more hardcore than Biden's bill was going to do. And Trump is banking on that outcome being what most voters want.

Time will soon tell.

I’m r18 and r18. I voted Harris. I’m no Dumper. I don’t expect dump to do anything about all of these people dumped into NYC. Hundreds of thousands. Unbelievable. It looks like they are the leisure middle class now in NYC. All of the Venezuelans that sit on 8th Ave in the gutters around The Row the women pregnant and holding babies already. The constant drug usage on the street. The garbage they throw. I’ve walked by more than a few of these hotels housing the migrants. Each has a different vibe. Some, like the Watson on 57th St are outright malevolent and you see the hard gang members controlling the building. The Row on 8th is a lot of trafficking women. Boosting from places like Target. The Roosevelt hotel is like an ant hill of fuckery. I’m shocked that America just fucking opens its beds, wallets, health care, etc etc etc. to me, NYC is occupied territory. Based on what I see with my own eyes.

* R18 r19

R22 But only the devil, himself, would do that

Let the round-ups begin.

SAY HER NAME!!!!!

It can’t be said enough, this is why rump won. Even if somehow the votes were manipulated, everyone is sick of this shit.

Why couldn’t the Biden administration been tougher on this type of situation?

[quote] Why couldn’t the Biden administration been tougher on this type of situation?

He didn’t care.

R28, because Biden was too busy taking a nap on the sofa. Don’t worry - Jill always made sure there was an afghan blanket on him.

Biden put up a bipartisan immigration bill that Trump intentionally blocked to create a narrative for his campaign. Whatever questions y'all have for Biden, you should have the same for tRump.

And, while we are at it, this Flight to Anywhere program was an Eric Adams thing not a nation wide thing, and not a Biden policy. I am no fan of Joe's and I have grown weary of the Democrats for seperate reasons, but it is not fair to try and throw this on Biden when Trump clearly instigated this crisis and Eric Adams is the one wasting NYC tax payer money to fly migrants wherever they want.

It’s gotten to the point in NYC that people don’t care WHO did this. They want it fixed. Yesterday.

Democrats are married to the idea that we should take pity on the illegals crossing over and give them whatever they want. Nancy Pelosi said building a border wall was an “immorality”.

[quote] Biden was negligent and far too lenient

He was lax about many things. After an initial flurry of interest, he ignored Ukraine. Congress gave him Lend-Lease, but he did nothing with it. At least half of the aid intended for Ukraine was not delivered because the Executive Branch failed to complete the necessary paperwork. At one point, eight Republican congressmen publicly called for the completion of a roadmap otherwise the aid authorization would expire. The White House did nothing.

The Administration completely missed the Hamas attack on Israel. They had to go back and change an online Foreign Affairs article published a few weeks before the crisis because it confidently asserted the Middle East was peaceful. Fortunately, the print copy remains.

Biden didn't go after Trump, he just let him marinate the populace in hate. He completely ignored the problem of rounding up the top conspirators of the insurrection. The DOJ was left rounding up the minor players.

Never took action against Putin.

He simply ignored problems, letting different depts deal with minor issues. The comprehensive border bill was a reaction to his lack of oversight of the migrant crisis.

Yet, Biden found time to attend Elizabeth II's funeral; presidents never did such things. They sent the VP. LBJ didn't attend Churchill's funeral, and Reagan did not go to Charles and Diana's wedding, sending Nancy instead.

Top Democrats wanted him to announce he wasn't running for reelection for good reason.

We are here because of Joe Biden's vanity.

It no longer matters who did it. Fix it.

Dump will use this point to talk about it forever and actually DO nothing.

R31 so what you're saying is the Biden created a problem and then the only way to fix the problem he created, was to rely on legislation he knew would not pass.

[quote]I’m a lifelong Democrat ...

Sure you are

No, r37. But that seems to clearly be the narrative you would like to run with. Anyone who has been paying attention to political theory and gamesmanship over the last several decades would be able to see that Re-thugs consistently and intentionally feed into immigration while stripping away funding from the very agencies meant to manage immigration. They do this on purpose to feed into anti-immigrent sentiment. Trump is no exception. In fact, he did the same thing in 2016. Point at a problem, blame the opposition in order to stoke fear and win, then do absolutely nothing about the problem so that you can reuse the same issue in the next election cycle. The only thing Republicans know how to do is shout and complain while pounding their chests about manliness and abortion. They will do the same thing in 2026 and again in 2028.

Meanwhile Dems are so busy trying to follow rules and be nice to EVERYONE they fail to put up effective defense against a barrage of Republican propaganda and bullying. They also fail to understand that accepting everyone under the umbrella often will put you in a position where groups within your own party opposed each other and your candidates essentially end up in a zero sum game.

I made my point pretty clear in my first post, this is not a Biden problem. Biden has issues, but this one is not on him

Anyway, I hope that poor girl's family gets justice. This is why I warn females not to go running alone. It is too dangerous, especially in a college campus. Too many creeps

I had R37 on block which tracks.

Fuck off, you MAGA cunt wad.

[quote]Biden put up a bipartisan immigration bill that Trump intentionally blocked to create a narrative for his campaign. Whatever questions y'all have for Biden, you should have the same for tRump.

Bullshit propaganda.

Where do I begin?

Why did Biden urge migrants to surge the border? Want me to post the video? (It's from the 2020 debate.)

Why did he say the US could absorb 2 million migrants "in a heartbeat"? (From a campaign speech in 2022)

Why did he throw out Title 42 and “Remain in Mexico” as soon as he got in the White House?

Why did he allow Sanctuary Cities to refuse to work with ICE?

Why did he reject the HR2 Secure the Border Act of 2023 (it had passed in the House)

And did you actually read the Democrat bill? It was an immigration bill, not a secure the border bill. And why did the Dems wait over 3 years to come up it?

[quote]I made my point pretty clear in my first post, this is not a Biden problem.

You're wrong.

It is indeed a Biden problem

R41 is full of lyes, including the most obvious one which is that there was no “Democrat (sic”) bill. It was proposed by Republican Senator Lankforth.

I read this as, "Liam Riley murder trial," which would be a different thing entirely.

[quote]It was proposed by Republican Senator Lankforth.

And no other Republican endorsed it.

Thank you, r41, for pointing out the other person’s BS.

I wonder how many of the folks getting a free flight out of NYC were first given a free flight up there by DeSantis and his ilk. Maybe we only get mad when the immigrants get to choose their destinations.

Thank you r47. These folks came on buses from Florida to New York also from Texas and GA during that Republican stunt to bus immigrants into blue states. Why are so many pretending this is anything more than a game to them. Well, have at it. Let's just see how "fixed" immigration will be under Trump. They don't want to fix it. None of them do. Not Trump, not Biden, none of them.

r37

[quote] so what you're saying is the Biden created a problem and then the only way to fix the problem he created, was to rely on legislation he knew would not pass.[/quote]

'The Biden' didn't create the problem, but he knew it would become an issue in the 2024 election. Did nothing. Reacted to bills on his desk as they came up on his desk.

Yes Biden supported a very tough immigration bill in 2024 which the GOP unfortunately rejected (in order to make the situation worse). But the reason why that bill was even up for dicussion was because the Biden administration had so disastorously managed the border for the previous three years. Even if that bill had passed, what would've been the excuse for the previous three years of failed border policies? Jose Ibarra arrived long before that border bill was even being debated.

Can someone please explain why the border is such a big deal in the first place? I sort of don't care.

[quote] Can someone please explain why the border is such a big deal in the first place? I sort of don't care.

You’re fine. You just need to stay out of the way as the people who do know why it’s a big deal process the necessary repatriations.

America was founded on immigrants. You or your parents or your grandparents were immigrants. There were basically no laws about immigration till the 20s. What the fuck is the big deal? Calm down. They have good food and Catholicism. Why the fear?

[quote] There were basically no laws about immigration till the 20s.

Why are the people who are the first to say that we don’t want to return to the 1950s the ones who say that on this one issue it would be great to return to the 19th century?

They of course are NOT saying any such thing. They are pointing out that many of the people who insist on doing immigration the “legal” way are deluded about what that really was,

Right wingers who are the grandchildren of immigrants insist that their people came LEGALLY. When, of course, there were literally no laws about immigration when their ancestors arrived.

Immigration is good. We need more.

People freaking out about a BROKEN BORDER are dumb and wrong.

[quote] Right wingers who are the grandchildren of immigrants insist that their people came LEGALLY. When, of course, there were literally no laws about immigration when their ancestors arrived.

I don’t understand why someone like you would try to go there. You’re admitting that what why said is true. How in your mind do you think that admitting your opponent is right helps your argument?

“what they said is true” ^

They're not right. Their ancestors did not come here legally or illegally. There were simply no laws about who would or could come here.

They were met, of course, with the exact same kind of nativist paranoia and hatred that today's immigrants are being met with. You'd think people would want to be better than the ones who persecuted their parents or grandparents. But no. They want to be a member of the howling mob.

[quote]Right wingers who are the grandchildren of immigrants insist that their people came LEGALLY. When, of course, there were literally no laws about immigration when their ancestors arrived.

If they weren’t in violation of any existing laws, then they did come legally.

So far no one's said what's so bad about immigration.

Besides racist scaremongering that's been around for 100 years.

This degenerate got life in prison without parole today.

[quote]So far no one's said what's so bad about immigration.

See how fuck-ups like R61 reason? First they set up a strawman and go from there.

Bud, no one, but no one here or anywhere, is saying that "immigration is bad". The issue is unconctrolled mass immigration. Got it now?

Ok then why doesn't the Republican Party - the one who's so upset over " unconctrolled mass immigration" have a firm and smart plan in place to curtail it and legalize it?

Maybe it's because they - and you - are more interested in racist scaremongering than solving any problems.

I can't wait to see what Trump's solve for this CRISIS is. The largest mass deportation since Stalin? Cool. That will be popular and done well and won't have a huge body count.

R14, your boy Trump hired illegal immigrants and so do plenty of rich Republicans

You Republicans want to roll back child labor laws because you want to exploit child workers

R49, did you forget that Republicans killed the border bill so Trump would have something to run on?

Of course racist OP linked to the New York Post

Gee, look who hired undocumented workers

Trump’s supporters won’t even care about that. They’ll just say, “well Democrats allowed all these illegals in…good for Trump for taking advantage of the cheap labor.”