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Bela Karolyi is DEAD

Bela Karolyi, the larger-than-life coach who led Nadia Comaneci and Mary Lou Retton to Olympic gold while revolutionizing the sport of gymnastics, only to see his legacy destroyed by allegations of abusive coaching, has died. He was 82.

USA Gymnastics confirmed the news, saying he had died Friday. Comaneci paid tribute to Karolyi with a post on her Instagram, showing a carousel of photos that included a black-and-white photo of her with the coach on a walk in the woods. The caption read: "A big impact and influence in my life. RIP Bela Karolyi."

"Almost 50 years ago he guided me to the historic performance of the First Perfect 10 in the Olympics … and that changed my life for ever," Comaneci, who remained close with Karolyi, told USA TODAY Sports in a text message.

A cause of death has not been revealed, but Karolyi had been in poor health in recent years. He and wife Martha largely disappeared from public view following the abuse scandal that rocked USA Gymnastics. Former team physician Larry Nassar sexually abused hundreds of girls and young women, with some of the abuse occurring during national team training camps at the Karolyi ranch.

The Karolyis denied any knowledge of Nassar’s abuse but the scandal brought a reckoning with the sport's toxic culture, including complaints that both Karolyis had been physically and emotionally abusive as coaches. In 2017, USA Gymnastics backed out of a deal to buy the Karolyi ranch and use it as a national team training center, effectively cutting ties with the couple.

"Bela Karolyi was a man whose influence on my life and the sport of elite gymnastics is undeniably significant. He was a complex individual, embodying a mix of strengths and flaws that left a lasting impact on those around him," Dominique Moceanu, perhaps the most vocal critics of the Karolyis, said in a post on social media.

"Anyone who has followed my story knows that my journey under Bela's guidance as my coach came with immense challenges. His harsh words and critical demeanor often weighed heavily on me," she continued. "While our relationship was fraught with difficulty, some of these moments of hardship helped me forge and define my own path."

Karolyi first rose to prominence in his native Romania. He and Martha were elementary school teachers in Transylvania when they began teaching their students gymnastics as a way to stay warm. Their performances delighted the townspeople and caught the attention of the government. Within a few years, they’d been put in charge of the national team.

Karolyi shook up the sport in 1976, when he arrived at the Montreal Olympics with a team of kids. Most elite female gymnasts in the 1970s were in their late teens or early 20s, but Karolyi’s team had just one gymnast older than 14. Romania won the silver medal, cementing for the next four decades the idea that gymnastics was a sport reserved for the young.

It was also in Montreal that the world was introduced to Comaneci, a dark-eyed, dark-haired sprite who scored the first perfect 10 at the Olympics. Comaneci would repeat that feat six times on her way to winning three gold medals, with Karolyi there to wrap her in a bear hug after each routine.

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by Anonymousreply 25November 20, 2024 5:20 AM

Has Mary Lou Retton released a statement?

by Anonymousreply 1November 18, 2024 2:42 PM

With apologies to Bauhaus:

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by Anonymousreply 2November 18, 2024 2:55 PM

R2 - LOL - that's exactly what I was thinking - Bela Legosi's dead?

Coaching and tactics have changed so much in the past 50 years - most coaches, gym teachers, etc. from the 70's and 80's would be brought up on abuse chargers today.

We know so much more now in terms of how useful rest is in recovery and muscle building. Back then, for many sports, it was just GRIND GRIND GRIND every day - often to the point of injury.

I was a high-ranking competitive athlete when I was young - when I think about the endless hours of training when you're just physically exhausted - that work when you're exhausted does NOTHING but injure you and sap you of your physical and mental strength outside of practice. It pisses me off when I see what workouts are today compared to back then - MUCH lighter and more full body workouts.

But it was standard to just push people to extremes back then - nobody really knew the physical and mental impact, but we could feel it. The burnout rates were high and it just wasn't much fun. Then you have coaches screaming and yelling at you - you look back and go, where was the fun?

by Anonymousreply 3November 18, 2024 3:29 PM

It’s fascinating that Dominique M’s statement on Karolyi’s death is so balanced. She’s been bashing him and Marta harshly for decades. It seemed to me she took all of the anger she should have directed at her hideously exploitative father and dumped it on the Karolyis instead.

by Anonymousreply 4November 18, 2024 6:23 PM

Kerri Strug should be forced to be a pallbearer for Bela since he carried around after her injury in Atlanta.

by Anonymousreply 5November 18, 2024 8:05 PM

So did he have a part in the Nasser scandal?

Did he know what was going on, but didn't say anything?

by Anonymousreply 6November 18, 2024 9:08 PM

R6, he and his wife claimed they didn't know anything. I believe them. However, it is argued that the toxic environment that the Karolyi's cultivated and sustained in U.S. gymnastics provided the ideal milieu for a predator like Nasser to thrive.

by Anonymousreply 7November 18, 2024 9:47 PM

I've watched a couple of documentaries on the Larry Nassar scandal. One was the Netflix doc Athlete A and the other was HBO doc At The Heart of Gold. In one of documentaries (can't remember which one) , someone said that at the Karolyi Ranch, Bela and Marta were often viewed as harsh and verbally abusive. Larry was the one adult who was trying to make the girls laugh and he was "nice" to them and would give them candy and other things.

by Anonymousreply 8November 18, 2024 10:19 PM

Karolyi was verbally abusive to all his gymnasts going back to his time in Romania. His former Romanian gymnasts (Nadia excepted) say he was physically abusive at times, as well, which tracks given it was 1970s Ceaucescu's Romania. I don't think he could afford to be physically abusive in the US, but he definitely insulted the girls and called them fat. His approach was a military approach, break them down and build them back up again. Considering the realization that prepubescent girls had the best physical build for high level gymnastics came about at approximately the same time that Karolyi rose to prominence as a coach his method was considered THE approach to take in order to succeed. The psychological and physical toll this took on young girls wasn't really identified until the early 1990s, which was pretty much the end of his fulltime coaching career.

by Anonymousreply 9November 19, 2024 12:42 AM

American gymnastics was already mean before Bêla. I grew up in the 70’s; I remember. After Marylou he was considered the star maker so everybody flocked to him. The USA gymnastics governing body deferred to him too because while American coaches were crazy and mean, they didn’t produce consistent athletes that could win. He had too much power, but the whole sport was nuts.

by Anonymousreply 10November 19, 2024 2:23 AM

People repeat what creates results. It was a one-size fits-all approach and if you didn't respond the same way, then there was something wrong with you.

With women's gymnastics, you're working with very young, fragile minds during pre-teens and early teens. Then there is the constant fear factor - it's hard to push yourself to do new routines when you could get severely injured.

I don't think Bela should be condemned - I think he was very typical of coaching styles back then across many sports. He did create a lot of gold medalists.

by Anonymousreply 11November 19, 2024 5:44 PM

No other gymnast can hold a candle to Nadia. Jead and shoulders above the rest of then.

by Anonymousreply 12November 19, 2024 5:48 PM

The essential component was growing up poor in an oppressed country under the heel of the Soviet Union. Nobody had any expectations of being happy.

by Anonymousreply 13November 19, 2024 5:57 PM

[quote]I don't think Bela should be condemned - I think he was very typical of coaching styles back then across many sports. He did create a lot of gold medalists.

Exactly. The narrative now (amongst the gymnast community) is he knew he was abusive and continued to be so because he was an ogre and nobody held him accountable. I think he did exactly what he thought needed to be done to win.

Even though the book “Little Girls in Pretty Boxes” (I think that’s the name of it) brought A LOT of negative scrutiny to the sport and Bela, the writer was pretty fair in describing him. He came from a very harsh background and it colored his perception of what it takes to be successful.

by Anonymousreply 14November 19, 2024 6:04 PM

I agree with the above and the reality of the situation is that gymnastics was the first and maybe only sport where the optimal age for women was when they were 14-16 years old (until changes in technology, etc.) and so there was essentially a deadline for all of these young girls to be successful which meant a lot of training at a very young age. Karolyi started coaching in the late 1960s and Olga Korbut was the first model of that brand of prepubescent girl which became the norm for three decades, followed by Nadia in 1976. For coaches it was unchartered territory. Certainly high school football coaches are/were just as verbally abusive to their charges as Karolyi was.

by Anonymousreply 15November 19, 2024 7:32 PM

Bye, Troll!

by Anonymousreply 16November 19, 2024 9:09 PM

R15 - not just football coaches - almost all coaches. And Physical Education teachers were notoriously sadistic, mean and bullied some kids. And there were just mean teachers outside of sports.

And mean parents. And mean and abusive bosses - which was really common until the 2000's.

Society shifted a LOT in the past 20 years. Verbal abuse was a part of daily life everywhere - and then anti-bullying and other ideas came into play.

Ironically, it was the early age of the internet when people's public bad behavior was called out in office, schools, coaching. Then they went apeshit anonymously online.

I've never thought of it this way - but I believe the two are connected.

by Anonymousreply 17November 19, 2024 11:18 PM

He was a terrible man. He was abusive and didn’t have to be. Tough, yes, abusive, no.

Shannon Miller reportedly hated him and Marta and they resented the hell out of her because she became the most successful female gymnast. In the world for quite a long time. She was the most successful US gymnast of all time before Biles. It reportedly chafed their asses something fierce. When Shannon trained at the Ranch, they had to keep a distance from her (and later Biles). They were extremely jealous of Shannon because they didn’t produce the US’s most successful female gymnast.

Fuck them both. Abusive POS.

by Anonymousreply 18November 19, 2024 11:26 PM

R15 HS football coaches generally deal with ages 14 and up. Though not appropriate, verbal abuse on them is not the same as it is on 8,9,10,11 year old girls who give their lives over to gymnastics and spend 6-8 hours a day with that verbally abusive coach.

Miller was the most successful gymnast in the world for two years which is an eternity in the sport. She has her critics, but she went up against the best in the world over two years and consistently beat the others’ best. Her bar and beam work, in particular, were very impressive for a long time.

Mary Lou is busy hiding out after that embarrassing story about her insurance and scamming for money. She really was always an awful person which is why she adored Bela. Same with Nadia. Seems like a terrible person.

by Anonymousreply 19November 19, 2024 11:39 PM

R17, I think cell phones with video cameras were influential in shedding light on police brutality. When people combined that with the ability to post videos online, that became even harder to cover up. When did people start posting videos of bad behavior for social correction? I figure at first it was "hey, look at what this idiot did. You'll never believe it until you see it."

by Anonymousreply 20November 20, 2024 12:42 AM

I loved him as Dracula

by Anonymousreply 21November 20, 2024 12:54 AM

The one thing I always loved about the existence of Shannon Miller was she proved you didn’t need the Karolyis to have a World Champion (two times). It ate their souls.

by Anonymousreply 22November 20, 2024 3:36 AM

Undead Undead Undead

by Anonymousreply 23November 20, 2024 4:37 AM

[quote]LOL - that's exactly what I was thinking - Bela Legosi's dead?

R2, R3 , I heard that song on the radio yesterday. They didn't mention him dying. They just played it

by Anonymousreply 24November 20, 2024 5:18 AM

I meant, they didn't mention Bela Karoli dying.

But it was ironic they played that song about Bela Legosi on the same day Bela Karoli died.

by Anonymousreply 25November 20, 2024 5:20 AM
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