Why did NYC shift so far to Trump? The working class, Minorities, and Immigrants

"Several blocks away, the manager of a grocery store complained of a spike in thefts — he didn’t want me to use his name to avoid risking further incidents — as well as of street vendors pouring their grease directly into the sewer, which he said attracted rats that wound up in his store basement. He says he voted for Biden in 2020 and Trump this time around. Carmen Enriquez, a substitute teacher from Ecuador who lives nearby in what is technically Elmhurst, says she’s a registered Democrat who voted Republican this year for the first time. She complained that migrants had received free shelter and benefits while existing residents struggled. She directed her ire at not only the Biden administration but also Ocasio-Cortez, who appeared at a local rally last year to support migrant vendors, and State Senator Jessica Ramos, who co-sponsored a bill several years ago to decriminalize sex work. (It has not passed.) “You can see it all, the boobs out. That is outrageous. That is what I am telling you — especially the Venezuelans, they came with attitude.”

One of the most interesting people I spoke with was 57-year-old Mauricio Zamora, who lives just off vendor-packed Corona Plaza on 103rd Street. Zamora runs a Facebook page and an active WhatsApp group for an organization he founded called Neighbors of the American Triangle, named after a minuscule nearby park he started maintaining during the pandemic when it became a magnet for drinkers. I met with Zamora in his apartment, which his wife had already decorated with Christmas nutcrackers and tinsel. He arrived from Costa Rica on a tourist visa in 1995, overstayed it illegally while establishing a scrap-metal business, and gained citizenship in 2005. His English is still shaky, and an acquaintance helped translate. Zamora says he voted for Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020 but is now all in on Trump. TRUMP 2024 stickers are plastered on his apartment building, and the Facebook page is basically nonstop gloating about Trump’s victory."

Fewer Dems came out to vote. Period.

This gives the impression that everything shifted right.

We have such a bifurcated society, with the college educated, well-to-do on one side, and the rest on the other. I think it's exacerbated by social media. They used to be like herding cats, now they're easier to control with propaganda. It's hard to see the way out from this mess. Didn't Plato say it was foolish to let the masses vote? Well, somebody must have said it. My college education is letting me down here.

If this is correct that even San Francisco moved more toward Trump, it’s a nationwide issue for Democrats.

Biden was caught flat-footed by the migrant surges, and took way too long to do something about it. By the time he did, the theatrics of Abbott and DeSantis shipping migrants to NYC and elsewhere had their intended effect and both he and Harris were branded as ineffectual on the issue.

However, it still amazes me that people actually think the President has any real power to lower the prices of goods and services. Or don't believe it 100% but still vote for someone who boasts that he can "fix it." He can't and he won't.

It's funny how humans claim to be superior mammals due to their so-called ability to reason, which has proven to be grossly exaggerated time and time again.

. Inflation was a major issue and the Dems should have said they’d fix it even if they couldn’t.For a party so full of smart people, why is that so hard to do. It’s almost comical how up their own asses the left can be.

Almost everywhere shifted to the right...

OP People blamed Biden for the state of things in their cities they are unhappy with. Fairly or unfairly? You tell me:

-The Biden administration changed immigration policy which resulted in migrants inundating American cities. Greg Abbott sent them to Northern cities because he felt people who supported the Biden administration’s policies were blind to the human cost of what increased immigration actually meant. A cruel piece of theatrics, but Northerners witnessed why immigration was such an unpopular policy in ways the only border states had known.

Biden’s fault? Yes

-Forbes a few days ago: “Economists warned about the risk of inflation as the United States prepared to come out of the Covid-19 pandemic. Despite those warnings, in March 2021, Joe Biden signed a large stimulus package that contributed to inflation. Nineteen months after the bill was signed, David Lynch of the Washington Post reported, “Though some experts—even in his own party—warned that the new spending could cause the economy to overheat, administration officials saw little reason for concern.”

Biden’s fault? Yes.

People were not voting FOR Trump. They were voting AGAINST the Biden administration. That was why polls all summer showed Democratic Senators leading Biden by big margins. People were splitting tickets. They did not trust Biden, and Kamala inherited his problems because she refused to run against his policies.

R6 I thought Kamala pushed her plan to stop companies price-gouging pretty often and well. I still think a lot of it is misogyny. And to a lesser extent, racism (because Obama).

It's pretty clear that NOBODY in this country wants open borders and undocumented migrants being allowed in. Democrats are wrong on this issue and they need to change their policies. Yes, Republicans are wrong about a lot too, but this issue matters to voters.

[quote]Ocasio-Cortez, who appeared at a local rally last year to support migrant vendors, and State Senator Jessica Ramos, who co-sponsored a bill several years ago to decriminalize sex work.

These two idiots.

There is tremendous resentment agaisnt migrants from Hispanics. It is unbelievable that a place like Corona would go for Trump. If Democrats don't repair this problem they're doomed as a party.

[quote] If this is correct that even San Francisco moved more toward Trump, it’s a nationwide issue for Democrats.

The shift of the entire country to Trump is a nationwide issue for Democrats.

[quote]There is tremendous resentment agaisnt migrants from Hispanics.

The Democrats forget that white people are the majority in this country. And to add to that, according to Pew Research, nearly 60% of Hispanics identify as white.

I'll bet Hispanics enjoyed being told to call themselves Latinx, since gendered languages like Spanish are offensive to trannies.

Areas hit hard by Covid shifted right by a lot.

I think that speaks to vibes.

Im Cuban, I perfectly know what Latino not just Cubans are writing and talking online . One thing, Biden was too soft on immigration. Do you think that dominicanos in New York enjoyed seen Cubans Venezuelans Nicaraguans and Haitians given that gift that Biden gave them? Remember that domicanos hate Haitians. Then putting them in hotels , Venezuelan crap that entered through the border. I remember when I wrote on here since Biden took the presidency that Venezuelans inmigration was nothing like Cubans. I wrote here that they were going to bring violence and chaos. But Biden was weak.

All the republicans had to do was send them to blue cities like New York.

Biden wrote thousands of Cubans Venezuelans and Nicaraguans, all enemies of the Democratic Party. All this is on the democrats themselves. Well known democrat YouTubers such as sacha tirador were saying and sending massages to Biden to stop that program.

Wait, and see, Europe is next.

R15 sweetheart, most Hispanics have never heard the word Latinx.

The soft on crime DAs and their impact on major US cities can not be underestimated as a factor in the 2024 election.

Chicago swung 11 points towards DJT from 2020, thanks in large part to this cosplaying DEI reject.

[quote]It's pretty clear that NOBODY in this country wants open borders and undocumented migrants being allowed in. Democrats are wrong on this issue and they need to change their policies.

Why didn't the Republicans pass Lankford's bill, r11?

Stop looking for the beyond-obvious answer: because Americans are fucking stupid and got even stupider in the Covid era.

R18 Well, enough of us have and didn't like it.

People see all the new immigrants awaiting asylum hearings and they don't like it.

They think they're "illegals", when of course they are not.

[quote]BECAUSE IT IS PART OF HIS WORLDVIEW.

Indeed. Invading the country with a flood of migrants was his plan.

CNN - March 7, 2024

"During his 2020 presidential campaign, Joe Biden promised a stark departure from the immigration policies of the Trump administration."

"He pledged a 100-day moratorium on deportations after taking office. He promised to protect sanctuary cities from federal law enforcement agencies. And he harshly criticized the Trump administration’s treatment of undocumented immigrants at the southern border, asserting that America had the capacity to “absorb people” while calling on asylum seekers to “surge” to the border"

“We could afford to take in a heartbeat another two million,” Biden said at one event in August 2019. “The idea that a country of 330 million people cannot absorb people who are in desperate need and who are justifiably fleeing oppression is absolutely bizarre.”

[quote]And to a lesser extent, racism (because Obama).

Yes, that’s why he won. Twice.

In his own words. Biden urges migrants to surge the border.

Note: SURGE THE BORDER

[quote]It's pretty clear that NOBODY in this country wants open borders and undocumented migrants being allowed in.

Except affluent white guilt virtue signaling twats with a superiority complex who live in affluent bubbles and don't experience the impact of these disastrous policies like everyone else. We have some of these people right here on DL.

R27 that's why I said "and to a lesser extent" because Obama broke their glass ceiling already. It still could play a part - but misogyny was the bigger part, the 'greater' extent'

Democrats should nominate all female tickets in 2028 and 2032. I Even though Repubs will continue to destroy the country, Dems will know they did the right thing. and that’s the most important thing isn’t it?

Has any DLer been to Roosevelt Avenue in Queens recently? When I was last there (6 months ago), it looked like Ecuador. And not the nice part of Ecuador - but the grimy, dirty part of the country. Lots of fat women selling crap on sidewalks, various food vendors of highly questionable quality, more fat women in tube tops selling themselves. It was awful. No wonder there was a swing to Trump.

And Jessica Ramos wants to legalize all of this! Not only the open air flear market on sidewalks but prostitution too.

As I said many times, a well funded Republican could be elected mayor of NYC next year. I used to think The Trump stench would hurt but I was wrong.

Tik tok

It’s the propaganda, stupid!

I see the migrants selling food around street corners, who the fuck would buy from them is a mystery to me.

You don't even know how and where it's prepared...gross

[quote] They think they're "illegals", when of course they are not.

They are illegals who are using asylum as a way to stay innthe country, but they enter illegally.

Defacto pushing his anti-NYC schtick again. Must be a day ending in a Y.

He really resents being a homely gay in a nowhere town.

^ The "It's Defacto" troll! Hey, why don't you post that pic of the guy with the ugly mug now and get it over with.

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[quote]Has any DLer been to Roosevelt Avenue in Queens recently? When I was last there (6 months ago), it looked like Ecuador. And not the nice part of Ecuador - but the grimy, dirty part of the country. Lots of fat women selling crap on sidewalks, various food vendors of highly questionable quality, more fat women in tube tops selling themselves. It was awful. No wonder there was a swing to Trump.

Is any of this legal?

It’s not just about people thinking possibly wrongly that Biden can control all inflation or high prices. It was the constant hammering in the media of our country delivering, despite all the above, millions and millions of funds and support to Ukraine and Israel, when we’re on a tough pandemic-emerging time here in the US where many US citizens are hurting with homelessness, rent, high interest rates, utility costs, infrastructure mess, high crime, and seemingly prioritizing virtue-signaling fringe issues in the face of all that. To many voters in our country’s majority here in the real world, there was an optic smacking of Democratic Party arrogance and apathy dismissing those voters and their daily real-life struggles here at home.

r40 you summed it up nicely. The Democrats screwed themselves.

[quote]millions and millions of funds and support to Ukraine and Israel, when we’re on a tough pandemic-

We send billions (not millions) to lots of countries and to Palestine. And I assure you that if we stop sending money to Israel this will not impact your quality of life nor your wallet in any way. But keep stoking those fires of resentment. It’s a winning strategy.

R40, so what you are saying is that people get angry at the government because they want more money and overall help. They then vote for the party that will guarantee lower wages and help property owners and utility companies raise their rates even higher. It’s not that people aren’t suffering, it’s that people aren’t suffering ENOUGH.

R40 but then why do they vote for the party that does NOT believe in helping people out and never did - unless it's tax cuts to the rich.

Just because they're not white doesn't mean they're not dumb...in any language!

[QUOTE]I wrote on here since Biden took the presidency that Venezuelans inmigration was nothing like Cubans. I wrote here that they were going to bring violence and chaos.

[QUOTE]That is what I am telling you — especially the Venezuelans, they came with attitude.”

What is it about Venezuelans that makes them more problematic than other Latinos?

[quote] The Democrats forget that white people are the majority in this country. And to add to that, according to Pew Research, nearly 60% of Hispanics identify as white.

You're overthinking it. A child will place his hand in a beautiful red, blue and yellow flame, get horribly burned and never do it again. About 50% of Trump's 76 million are about to get the holy fuck burned out of their hand. I will watch -- from the safety of my ivory tower, in a blue state, on a bed of money -- and try not to say another fucking word until 2028.

R46 Arrogant, rude, lazy, prone to violent outbursts. At least that's what Mexican-Americans say about them.

[quote]. A child will place his hand in a beautiful red, blue and yellow flame, get horribly burned and never do it again.

After what people went through over the last 4 years, that's why the Dems didn't get the votes they needed to win this time around.

Ukraine is popular and sending them money polls well.

R46, “attitude” — the gall of those people! In 2019 Trump imposed comprehensive sanctions on Venezuela even after being warned that reducing their economy to ash might cause immigration to this country to spike. It worked out well for him: he caused a problem, whipped up outrage over the consequences, and then promised to solve it.

^ Biden imposed sanctions on Venezuela as well. As did Obama for that matter.

[quote] He arrived from Costa Rica on a tourist visa in 1995, overstayed it illegally while establishing a scrap-metal business, and gained citizenship in 2005. His English is still shaky, and an acquaintance helped translate. Zamora says he voted for Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020 but is now all in on Trump.

Okay, so it was okay for him to stay illegally and he benefited from lax [sic] naturalization policies but now, close the border! Be a shame if he was rounded up next year.

He also flipped several counties in California of all places. Any Cali DLers wanna explain this?

Article:

republicans win the propaganda war because Silicon Valley is in the tank for them.

It makes more sense to me that the election was rigged.

People writing these kinds of articles are probably in on it. More pap for the masses.

[quote]There is tremendous resentment agaisnt migrants from Hispanics. It is unbelievable that a place like Corona would go for Trump. If Democrats don't repair this problem they're doomed as a party.

That's not the Democrats fault. If you watch interviews with those people, basically they were Ladder Pusher. They made it aboard the boat then turned around and pushed the ladder away for anyone to fallow behind them. In one of the interviews I watched, a whole family was voting for Trump said they came here illegally, but they are the "good ones" family people, not like "those criminals" coming over the boarder now. Totally clueless that what they did was against the law making them just as much a criminal.

That's not a voter you can turn around or blame on the Democrats.

[quote]He also flipped several counties in California of all places. Any Cali DLers wanna explain this?

Most of those red counties are very very sparsely populated. All three major cities San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego are all on the coast. All remained in the blue. Most of inland CA is a dry wasteland or mountains, only suitable for crops and drilling for oil.

People are stupid. Mindblowingly so.

New York is just like everywhere else, in spite of DL's insistence that it's not.

It was a rigged election.

The New York article is great at explaining why Trumps did so well. It’s called the end of denial. The title says it all.

[quote]Fewer Dems came out to vote. Period.

is NJ will counting votes? Because the state had a major surge in Trump voters especially in heavily Hispanic Passaic Country.

Voter..I don’t support migrants coming to US. Dem> fucking racist. Voter> But I’m a latino Dem> you are really stupid Voter Ok, I’m voting Trump Dem> we wouldn’t want your vote anyway, you fascist

R65 I honestly think people aren't paying enough attention to that. It's as important to investigate why so much less people voted than tiny counties that swung red.

New York County DA Alvin Bragg has a history of taking Felonies, lowering them to Misdemeanors, and finding ways to have charges go away when the perps are Black or Brown. This is why repeat offenders are on the streets. New Yorkers are tired of his policies. Not expected to be re-elected.

I think the turn toward apathy includes some discouragement and entertainment seeking, in order to avoid untreated depression around the fact that “life”, even for the richest in America, will never be more than a brutally competitive game. Society will never move beyond voting to hurt itself because we sacrificed religion and any meaningful culture for profit long ago. Our hatred for the “other” will ensure that any progress toward utopia remains beyond our grasp. So, some voters and non-voters sought chaos and laughs instead of hard work and slow struggle. They would rather watch their enemies and friends suffer together under a scary, but entertaining leader. This way, they bizarrely regain control over the situation. Control over their situation is what always matters in men’s hearts.

R65, yeah, the west coast is notoriously slow in counting. They always side blue but there are STILL counting votes out there and the Harris numbers keep going up

[quote] yeah, the west coast is notoriously slow in counting.

Yes, as of Friday, California still had 1,429,504 ballots left to process.

And as the votes continue to come in, Trump has fallen below 50% of the vote, and his lead as of a day ago was just 1.7%.

Hardly a mandate.

Does anyone know if there’s still a chance for Kamala to pass Dump in the popular vote? Obviously it wouldn’t change anything but it would sure snatch the taste of victory out of his mouth.

R72, it's all over kiddo...

Inflation.

[quote] After what people went through over the last 4 years, that's why the Dems didn't get the votes they needed to win this time around.

"[W]hat people went through over the last 4 years"?!

I have no idea what you're talking about, and I suspect you don't either. The last 4 years -- a roaring economy, record job creation, record low unemployment, miraculously avoiding recession, most of us survived a global pandemic. THAT is the last 3 years, 8 months.

America was unmasked in 2024, we are NOT patriotic, we are selfish, craven, cruel, envious and begrudging. Most of us don't give a fuck about our neighbors' well-being. What's more is all the puritanical nonsense about virtue, honesty, integrity, piety, charity and morality is an opiate for the poor, filthy masses. The Democratic party never called itself the "party of family values." God's wrath -- or 'karma', if you prefer -- is upon us.

^^^I am personally pained over the fate of Ukraine for the first time. I had taken for granted that it would endure and Russia would fail. I am so ashamed of America.

Me too

We're overlooking the most important factor in Harris' loss:

[quote]I still think a lot of it is misogyny.

[quote]Democrats should nominate all female tickets in 2028 and 2032. I Even though Repubs will continue to destroy the country,

[quote]Control over their situation is what always matters in men’s hearts.

In our rush to blame immigration, we've forgotten that Hispanic culture is rife with misogyny. Before anyone runs to pull the map of Latin countries that have had female executives, don't bother. We're not Latin and Latinos didn't form the foundation of Harris' loss, but they were a big part of it.

No, the foundational issue was that America, specifically American men, do not want a female chief executive. And as I wrote in the hours after election day, men hate women but women really, really hate women, particularly tough, smart and powerful women. I think that the analysis that will come once the vote is fully counted and demographers have a chance to parse the numbers is that women, and in particular rural women, voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

I'm from rural America, and despite that I got the hell out and moved to civilization as soon as I could, I'm still familiar with the thinking and attitudes of rural America. Women aren't leaders, they're there for support. Women should know their place. Women should be modest, quiet, and defer to their husband's judgement. And we're seeing a resurgence in this attitude as rural men and men in general, specifically white and white-identifying men, have to compete for resources in growing scarcity.

The GOP played this trend masterfully. Even in a cycle in which women's rights played a crucial role, they were able to convince rural white women that their lives would descend into a hellscape if they had autonomy, bodily or otherwise. Women were told in 2016 that Roe was on the line, and they voted for Trump anyway. They lost the right to control their own bodies with the repeal of Roe. And they still voted for Trump again because they would rather give up control to a man than see a woman succeed.

The Harris campaign thought if they just didn't talk about it, it would fade as an issue. They were wrong. At its root level, we are still a species that bifurcates itself. We can talk about the racism, immigration, economic policy. inflation... everything. Yes, these all factored into the outcome, but only when you view it through the prism of gender.

When the Democrats wake up to this fact, we'll win again. But if we nominate another woman at the top of the ticket, we'll lose. Again.

[quote] He also flipped several counties in California of all places. Any Cali DLers wanna explain this?

It is the endless sunshine, Californians have the memory span of fruit flies.

Trump's support in Silicon Valley and the tech industry in general is due to regulation and that he offered tech bros the ability to capture the regulatory state. They really hate that government has the audacity to tell them what they can and can't do, in particular when regulators threaten things like breaking Google/Amazon/facebook into smaller pieces (with less power as a result).

r78, please don't single out Hispanic culture. America was sold a bill of goods. Trump received some support from voters of every gender, ethnicity, culture, race, socioeconomic class and education level. He promised everyone something they wanted but he is a liar and a deceiver.

R78, I otherwise find your commentary illuminating.

[quote]I'm from rural America, and despite that I got the hell out and moved to civilization as soon as I could, I'm still familiar with the thinking and attitudes of rural America. Women aren't leaders, they're there for support.

Bullshit.

Arkansas, Arizona, Kansas, South Dakota, Iowa, Alabama, South Carolina, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Alaska, Montana, Texas, Nebraska...currently have or have had female governors.

Crime went up under Trump and down under Biden. Crime was at all-time highs under Reagan. There isn't any evidence that voting GOP makes crime go down.

Most working class people don't read so it's easy to fool them.

[quote]Even in a cycle in which women's rights played a crucial role, they were able to convince rural white women that their lives would descend into a hellscape if they had autonomy, bodily or otherwise.

You are so out of touch.

Of course you believe women are stupid. No surprise there.

The important issue was the fucking price of groceries, gas, rent....the things that are most important in people's everyday lives.

R81, I didn't single out Hispanic cullture. I didn't talk about it at all beyond pointing out the obvious: Hispanics voted for Trump because of underlying misogyny rife in the community, but as I said, it wasn't just Hispanics that powered Trump's win. It was men and the women who both love and fear them.

R83, first you have to admit that female executives are a relatively recent phenomenon. In the states you've mentioned, it is a novelty that they elected a woman; I could make a far longer list of states that have had women trying for the governorship for decades without effect. And there are extenuating circumstances; for instance, do you think a woman could win in today's Texas? Do you not see the coincidence between female executives and Democratic-leaning populations? You do know that Texas was Democratic when they elected Ann Richards, right?

Of the states you've listed, break them down by the party of the winning female candidate. Arizona is the only one on your list that is in Democratic hands (and you've omitted Michigan and New York). This is relevant because women in conservative states' leadership aren't trailblazers in the way that they are in Democratic states. Or are you going to try to tell me that South Carolina Governor Kristi Noem had a boob job, destroyed her face with plastic surgery, and turned herself into a blowup sex doll because she was empowered as a female?

No, R85, I don't believe women are stupid, certainly no more than I believe men are stupid when they fall victim to influence (or if you want to call a spade a spade, brainwashing). I believe that women (again, specifically rural women) are trying to make the best of their lives, and they have been convinced that a woman president won't see them, their needs, and their communities. It hasn't been hard to see why. You point it out yourself. They've listened to the men in their lives commiserate over everything you've listed. Men believe that female reproductive care doesn't factor into their lives (hence, the push by the Democrats to educate men that it does, a surprise to many men until they find themselves sitting in a hospital parking lot with a bleeding wife and unviable fetus). It's not a matter of intelligence. It's that they — women and men in rural America — have been convinced that inflation, rent, and the price of groceries will only fall under the leadership of a man, and in this case, one specific man.

Reality doesn't matter — as we've seen and as we will see in coming years. It's all about perception.

R85, I can believe that people voted for Trump due to anger at their present economic circumstances. I don't think that there is anything Trump can or will do that will improve things. Maybe he can be talked out of tariffs, but there's been no sign of that so far and tariffs are very inflationary. Increased government spending, which would be necessary for large-scale deportations, is also inflationary. And then there are the many people would be hurt by a drop in stock marker profits or housing prices.

Karma for Trumpers!

Of all the bazillion Trump threads, I think I like this one the best. Lots of good info in here.

More Karma for Trumpers

Thanks R88! Jay may be reaping the rewards of his awful vote, but he's pretty cute.

R86 Nice try.

You wrote the following, re: rural America " Women aren't leaders, they're there for support.

It is such out-of-touch clueless bullshit. As we've seen, rural America does vote for and has voted for women governors, for mayors, for various government positions, they own businesses etc.

[quote]More Karma for Trumpers

Actually Trump will be benefiting by a number of new auto plants set to open in 2025. See Hyundai's Metaplant in Georgia. Toyota in NC. Ford in TN.

Christ, R92, you are obtuse. I'd argue my points again, but you're... slow.

R89 and R90 yes only Trumpers work in factories or American manufacturing. Rooting for thousands of people to lose their jobs because you think they voted differently from you shows you why liberals are in such trouble. Too many of them are smug, rude, patronizing, and condescending.

[quote] [R81], I didn't single out Hispanic cullture. I didn't talk about it at all beyond pointing out the obvious: Hispanics voted for Trump because of underlying misogyny rife in the community, but as I said, it wasn't just Hispanics that powered Trump's win. It was men and the women who both love and fear them.

Hispanic culture is not uniquely misogynist. It is a cross-cultural evil.

There is a lot of foreign influence in those areas and all the liberal voices have been laid off or downsized in the regional media. And don’t forget Fox News which gets the financial types because of business news but sucked them in and radicalized bedroom communities of NYC.

The repeat the propaganda from fox on the commuter trains. I watched it all happen.

It was all fake stuff. Pure propaganda. But it worked.

I don’t think Hispanics are more misogynistic than other groups, but I do think they are culturally conservative. They also come from countries with a history of autocratic rulers and perhaps have some cultural affinity for such leadership.

[quote] Actually Trump will be benefiting by a number of new auto plants set to open in 2025. See Hyundai's Metaplant in Georgia. Toyota in NC. Ford in TN.

That is fantastic news, r93. Please be sure to report back to Datalounge when these gleaming new temples of the fossil-fueled American automotive industry open their doors and provide gainful employment to American citizens.

I wasn't aware that only "Trumpers" were among the ones laid off in those two stories. I wonder how they managed to only fire the Trumpers.

Oh, it's DL again acting like everyone in a red area votes red despite a very significant minority usually doing otherwise? Surprise, surprise.

But people here talked about deporting "every last Hispanic" because they didn't go as strongly Democratic this time, so it's to be expected.

Poor, dumb, simple-minded r100. Job loss is karma for Trumpers, whether or not they are personally impacted. Elon Musk will be a multi-billionaire for life but his Trump karma is coming too.

Was the high inflation rate over the past few years karma as well? And for whom?

You missed my point, r101. But that's to be expected. Accusing of others being dumb and simple minded doesn't make your low IQ any higher, I'm afraid.

[quote] Fewer Dems came out to vote. Period.

Not true.

It all comes down to the propaganda. Liberals can’t compete with it anymore.

Why can’t the smart people.in the Dem party figure out ways outfox the stupid voters. Like taking candy from a baby. Dems are so smart they see the US as a misogynist country and continue to run women for President. That’s how smart they are.

I take some comfort in that my Brooklyn district voted 70.4% for Harris but the overall shift is concerning.

Most people aren't deep thinkers nor do they pay much attention to the news/current events - they see their lives being worse under Biden (even though inflation and other issues are world-wide and not caused by the current admin) and they voted accordingly. They should be thinking more deeply about these issues, but truthfully, most people don't. I'm not talking about the hardcore MAGA base who would vote for Trump and his ilk no matter what, I'm talking specifically about the type of non-political person with a humdrum sort of life who voted for Trump because they feel that their paycheck isn't going as far as it did etc...If there wasn't a cost of living crisis, I doubt that these same people would give a shit about the things that the MAGA crowd rants endlessly about (trans, migrants, national debt etc...).

The voters in Corona were concerned about migrant sex workers destroying their community. It’s the low income people in areas where migrants were placed who went for Trump. Park Slope is fine until the city finds a way to place thousands of migrants there. Not a bad idea actually.

Bless you all. Lots of excellent reasoning why you lost the last election. But in four years none of this will be important any more. As in moot point.

[quote] —The Trump Team Says Fuck You DL

Our only consolation is that Trump is a failed human being. Being an extraordinarily lucky, conniving narcissist is no substitute for intellect and purpose. His schemes always explode in his face, the fun is the carnival of misery that envelops everyone who surrounds him.

We'll toast marshmallows in the flames of his ruin and resume our lives in 2028.

"But others, fed up with illegal migration, crime, urban decy and inflation, switched to Trump."

Turd has no interest or ability to solve any of these problems. Immigration: his wife and her family snuck into the country, and his clubs employ immigrants. Inflation: he's never shopped in a grocery store. Urban decay: build a luxury skyscraper on it. Crime: he's a rapist, thief and felon.

[quote] Being an extraordinarily lucky, conniving narcissist is no substitute for intellect and purpose

He has a purpose—self aggrandizement. Works for him. As for intellect, he doesn’t miss it. He believes he’s the smartest guy in the world. Perhaps at some subconscious level he knows his limitations, but I wouldn’t bet on it troubling him too much.

[quote] Perhaps at some subconscious level he knows his limitations, but I wouldn’t bet on it troubling him too much.

His father told him he was an idiot, and he was right. He was the poor substitute for his older brother who wanted to live his own life and not inherit the tenement empire of Drumpf Sr. DJT was the inferior second son who came in second place for his father's respect and affection.

More Karma for Trumpers:

Didnt the same supposedly super misogynistic nyc hispanics vote in droves for HRC though?

Crime. Random, unprovoked attacks by the mentally ill and homeless have become an almost daily event. Earlier this year Gov. Hochul deployed the National Guard to combat subway crime. New Yorkers feel less safe despite being told that it was worse in the 70s, 80s, 90s when many were not even born. For many it's the worst they seen it in their lifetime.

In part it has to do with the large immigrant surge into NYC over the last 2 odd years. Also only listening to social media garbage.

In 2016, Latino men voted 62% Hillary vs 32% Trump. But yeah, y'all ain't ready for the conversation.

True R59.

In their hubris Dems lost sight of the cost of living effects on ordinary people, and common sense like allowing ille law and order and instead espoused woke nonsense. When you have lots of money. you lose touch with the common man and woman.