AMA, what’s coming next in this country?

And FYI, I am dying, won’t be around much longer, which is why I am willing to do an AMA. Then I’ll likely delete my account once this thread is over.

The people I know are tied to the Fed FYI. No middle man. Not gossip. Insiders. And open sourced, verified reporting.

I have no idea what in the fucking hell the op is rambling on about.

Does anyone else understand this nonsense?

Will the military accept a purge of generals.

Here is just one: they won’t be deporting migrants. They are building camps in south TX and GA, but they will also use new prisons that states have been building. They plan to use them as slaves. They will remain here to pick our strawberries and lettuce until they die. It’s too expensive and logistically difficult to ship them out. Plus, that offsets removing them from our work force.

And no one will stop this because if you try, you will be in the camps with them. Some will, especially Latinos, but all resistors will be in the camps too, and yes, their children will be slaves too.

So they’re lying/not lying. The plan is happening, but the lie is that they will be deported. They aren’t going anywhere,

R4 The military has to step in and take over the executive branch. Donald Trump must not be allowed to take office, nor Bance and their appointees must not take office. Place them under arrest and isolate them somewhere . Leave congress and the senate alone. Let them sort it out. But they need to take over the executive. Probably the judiciary too. All Tumo appointees yo federal benches have to step down. Nominate moderates in their place and let congress hold their usual hearings.

America is fine! She sends her love!

R4 I feel confident that they will be forced to submit because their Commander-in-Chief refuses to see the threat. Maybe I’m wrong? But I don’t think so. Many of them support him, plus they are now powerless as 50% of their fellow soldiers support him too. I know people in National Guard who are preparing themselves to attack other citizens against their own will, and they don’t know how to escape it. Go AWOL? Flee the country? How do you know that when you’re working class? They’re trapped now. Check mate.

At the end of September, the DoD requested an order to use military on citizens, I read it and had it (but had to delete from my phone, I’m covering my ass now). I thought at the time that she would win, and that they asked for this to quell violence between her win and Inauguration. Now? I believe they plan to use it on us, and that order was placed months ago. Dems know this too, you can find the order on X if you dig, go to Jim Stewartson. He will be dead soon, so read everything quickly, but do not save it or copy to your phone. It’s a two page document. End of September.

Ok, OP I'll play your game.

WTF is going to happen with Social Security and Medicare? Should we cash out our investments and bury the money in a lead-lined vault in our yards?

R5 In a couple years let cong select a president to serve til 2028. Not cobstitutional? Too bad.

R6, we’re past that. Putin has America in check mate, 100%. We are Ukraine now. That’s how he will win Ukraine — he’s going to conquer the US first.

[quote]The military has to step in and take over the executive branch

And trade one tyrant for another?

I'm guessing you've never lived under a military dictatorship.

Honestly, there is no "WIN" with either a Trump Presidency or a military takeover.

Is there any way out of this?

R9, I don’t know yet for sure (I can’t pretend to know ALL of it). But here’s a hint. The rich are fleeing. Call your money guy and find out *exactly* how fast you can withdraw if you need to, and what you need to do with him to take it at warp speed. We have 2 months (less!!!) to decide).

They are saying they will only deport illegals and anyone who is a National security threat. Well? Guess who that is now? Anyone who speaks out at all. And what we will do? They’re going to seize your assets once you’re labeled a national security threat. They will use civil asset forfeiture to concern all resistors and no court will be able to stop them. I’m sorry. I’m in it with you too, trying to figure it out.

I think that IF you pull, cash out, put some in bank, and then start stockpiling cash from it to have on hand in case they’d freeze bank accounts. I know what I’m saying sounds insane. But it’s part of their plan.

R13. No. There is not. At this point, you MUST protect yourself and the people you love. It’s Everyman for themselves. If you want my tips on how best to do that, let me know. I’m trying to not firehose y’all with scary info. Only the most rich will escape, but they will only escape if they flee. Flip side is that there’s no one to run now. Russia, China, Iran have conquered us. Next to fall are Europe and Canada. They will fight harder than us because now the writing is on the wall, but it is a world war.

Sorry I keep forgetting to sign my post, I dare not authenticate, so r15 is OP.

R14 is OP too.

Teacake thread.

Sorry for all my typos. I’m weak, exhausted, and out of my mind with stress. So my brain refuses to proof my posts, I’m trying to share this with people I love as fast as possible. I’m going so fast I’m making typos.

R18, not at all. If you have a question, please ask away. I am connected to both Fed and LEO.

The dollar will collapse, and the global economy will tank.

Putin will attack the US with nukes and Trump will watch from a bunker as urban centers are wiped off the face of the earth. He will then emerge and claim victory.

He will attempt to crown himself king of the ruins. Putin will have him killed.

Russia will subsequently implode as will China as famine, pandemics and wars become universal.

Climate change will kill the oceans and the planet will become a wasteland.

R18, also, that’s why I started by saying this thread can’t be about denial. You’re in denial. I understand it. But if you need to stay in denial, this thread will not be good for your mental health — I’m trying to help you. I am an ally.

R21, that is a real possibility. HOWEVER, the reason I think it won’t happen is greed. Putin wants all our resources, he wants/needs our military, plus he’s going to actually take all our money (as much as he can). So would he nuke us? Yep. But strategically, I think he has more power and wealth if he keeps us alive and has control over all our resources.

[quote] The dollar will collapse, and the global economy will tank.

So then what's the point of stashing your cash?

Shouldn't you be buying survival goods, solar panels, and water purifiers instead?

Maybe build a bunker, too?

I also know literally the real scoop on Epstein, I had the court docs (now deleted). It’s not what you think it is. It’s worse. Much worse. And it matters because it gives you context on what’s about to happen.

I'm stocking up on Lee Press*ons.

I have a question… for OP

Typically when people try and leave the country when it collapses, it’s becomes impossible and everyone missed their window.

I don’t have lineage to any European countries and you can’t just “move to Canada Willy nilly”

What are we supposed to do?

R24, yes, you should be doing that at the same time. I would stockpile enough food for 3 months, all your medicines as much as you can, see all your doctors too. I’m saying to have a fat cash reserve because they are about to shut off our economy (maybe in January, if their plan works?). They’re going to stop us all from working briefly to control us, so you will need cash to be able to pay your mortgage and bills if your job is one that is “frozen”. They’re talking implementation of universal income, robots take over our jobs. Look it up. Elon said it and he’s our Co-President at the moment. There is a video post-election of him telling you this. He’s saying we won’t have to work anymore. Why? Because they want to destroy the US Dollar and replace it with crypto and rubles. Insane? Fucking A right. But he’s going this in coordination with Putin.

And that’s not me even getting into self-defense.

Don’t listen to a person who is going to upset your stability right now. Especially an anonymous voice that is telling you of your end.

R27, I’m like you too. After 2016, I slightly pursued Canada and EU because of lineage but I gave up after Biden won thinking I would be ok.

You have two choices. Remain here and prepare to be totally conquered. Or flee into Mexico or Canada. I can’t leave because my children are here and my husband’s business is not remote. We are trapped. We have money but are not rich. Middle class.

R30, Mexico is going to be a shambles and Canada too most likely.

Trump will have destroyed the entire planet.

R29, no disrespect. But this thread is not to scare people. It’s to give them the fckn truth which our media absolutely refuses to do. If you can’t hear it, I get it!!!! It’s horrific. I can’t hear yet, but I get to live with this all inside my head, and it’s literally killing me. But please just go visit another thread if you can’t hear it, that is the healthiest choice. And I’m sorry this is so ugly and scary to hear. But I will not fckn lie to people and not tell them how to protect themselves. That’s all this is. I’m trying to help gay people survive.

R31, you are correct. That’s why I keep saying there’s really no escape. Europe and Canada will take longer to fall, so the rich will flee there. But they will fall too. No escape. Putin really did win.

R23, if he nukes us he removes liberal and intellectual population centers and exterminates minorities. The Russians are virulently racist.

Plus Trumpers would be overjoyed to see the cities burn. They'll thank Putin, at least at first.

For someone who claims to not be about fear, you do a good job of raising the level of fear to freak out proportions.

Some of what you write is plausible; some may actually be accurate. For most of us, there is very little we can do. Maybe just keeping your head down is the best option. Most of us are too small to matter to anyone.

We are in a geo-political world war and we have been conquered. The US has fully fallen. We will not be able to run another election because they will kill all resistance.

R34, you may be right. While I know all the inside scoop, I don’t have a crystal ball either. It could happen. But something tells me it’s more beneficial to not do that. They need to keep the support of their base too. Bombing cities will freak out everyone, so that’s another reason I don’t see this as highly likely.

R35, here’s my dilemma. If you have information that can save people’s lives, what do you do with it? I can shut up, and if you all want me to, I will.

If people don’t understand the threat, they can’t protect themselves. But if you and others tell me it’s better to stay in denial, I’m happy to end this thread. It’s very very upsetting for me too. I’m in emotional pain having to tell you all what I know. I’m trying to protect others. I’m an ally not an enemy, but I’m human too — doing my best,

R37, the beneficial train has departed the station. Pure hatred, malice, blood-lust and absolute irredeemable evil are now at Platforms 1 through 39.

Don't expect sanity to make any appearances.

We're done.

There is absolutely truth to your logic. I don’t pretend to know how it will all play out. I can only with solid confidence share what I do factually know to be true, and then people get to decide what to do with it. They get to interpret the facts how they need to to preserve their sanity.

[quote] I also know literally the real scoop on Epstein, I had the court docs (now deleted). It’s not what you think it is. It’s worse. Much worse. And it matters because it gives you context on what’s about to happen.

Worse, how?

There are lots of worse directions "the real scoop on Epstein" can take.

Pedophilia? Epstein's involvement with Trump? Not sure how much "worse" the Epstein story could be.

Can you throw us a bone?

I'm genuinely curious about this, and how Epstein is tied to the doomsday scenario you describe.

And based on what you describe, I'm guessing his death was a hit job to silence him too, right?

I'm still stuck on the prison camps for migrants. How can these operate without us all knowing about it? You can't just disappear *that* many people with nary a peep. People nearby will take video and release it. What are the logistics of moving big groups to pick strawberries and still maintain control. Too many variables. And, they also can't disappear huge groups of protestors without due process.

This is all a bit too dystopian right out of the gate; wouldn't work.

[quote] you’ll need to verify what I’m telling you on your own, and you SHOULD do that

Verify insider information?

You know that's impossible.

That's why it's called INSIDER information.

Okay….first off, ALL of them are his clients. Bannon, Stone, Diddy, Dump, even JFK Jr too. I read the depositions of the victims Dump raped, he’s a kiddie fckr, a gay pedo, one was even as high as $16 mil. I saw the settlements he’s paid out, there were maybe 6 - 8 starting in early 90’s, aged 9 - 13 yo, equal boys and girls. Maralago fed the trafficking pipeline. None of this is totally shocking. But??? Dump is a closeted gay man and a pedo. Let that sink in. That’s why they’re coming for our women so hard now too. They’re all bisexual, hate women, and most are pedos too. That is who is in control now.

Dump was best friends with him for ten years per JE. Go listen to the JE tapes released before the election, there are 200 hours from Michael Wolfe, might be scrubbed already. The deposition and settlement list is likely still floating on X, I had to delete that too. I had it all, I read it all, the cabal is ALL Epstein customers. And Dump didn’t want him dead, he was his pimp. Barr and Putin offed him so Dump would stay in power. So Barr is with Putin too. They all are. Every single appointment Dump is making is 100% Russian Asset. EACH ONE.

And yes, I believe they will conduct mass executions of Dem leaders too. Like my after “deportations”? Idk when exactly, but they need to do that to terrorize us all into submission. They will use their executions to control us. And many Dem leaders will not flee and be killed because they are in denial exactly like Biden was too.

Get help OP. Muriel you should delete this. R44 proves that OP is really ill. QANON for liberals is alive and well on X.

R42, we will know about it. The Trumpers will support it. The rest of us will wind up three if we protest.

Trump and his administration will be very happy to confiscate half the wealth of this country. The Trumpers will dance with glee to see the libs in work stations. They don't see us as "Real Americans".

Shut the fuck up, R45.

I believe R44.

OP stated at the very beginning, if this thread isn't for you... then GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

You're part of the problem. Part of the cover up.

So if you don't like it, then LEAVE.

There are hundreds of other threads on this site for you to be a cunt.

[quote] even JFK Jr too

JFK Jr or RFK Jr?

JHC the military become a co equal in a new U.S. govt as they run the WH :-)

Yes I can just see Congress or the SC telling that WH they can’t do what they need to do.

Like every other military take over everywhere it would be the taking over the entire fed govt. The official end of democracy in the US.

R43, true. But most of what I’m sharing is out there. So you CAN verify I think almost everything I’m posting. Everything I’m saying has the receipts if you’re brave enough to seek them out. Again, Jim Stewartson.

More —Russia infiltrated us through our churches. That’s another reason why those fckn pieces of shit “Christians” have cooperated. They are inside the churches pushing the propaganda. If you go to Jim Stewartson, find the Rachel Maddow video before the election that shows how they used ministries through Mike Flynn to brainwash Christians. These Christian goon squads (they’ve armed all of them) will be part of enforcing the new government too. Hard to say how many of them there are — that part I don’t know. But there are enough to cause problems, they are well-equipped, well-trained, religious zealots, and they are exploding with hatred, chomping at the bit to hurt us. Mike Flynn plans to use them if we try to fight back, if the police need back up.

R48, JFC, it’s my nerves. RFK Jr of course. I’m a mess.

R47, thank you. I’m just another human being, just trying to navigate the fall of my country. Maybe I should shut up, I honestly don’t even know. I just want to protect as many as I can.

R52 is me. I’m SHOT.

The country's too big to control via armed nasties.

Wacko Alert Wacko Alert and clean up now on row DL

Hey everyone, have a positive day and please remember to take a deep breath, find humor where there is humor to be found, check in on each other, prioritize your mental health, & physically hug your children, partners, pets & loved ones whenever you get a chance.

Let’s make a very real, mindful & concerted effort to treat everyone around us with kindness & support, including ourselves.

[quote] Russia infiltrated us through our churches.

[quote] they used ministries through Mike Flynn to brainwash Christians

This Mike Flynn?

Was the pope involved in this?

These are destabilizing and disturbing times, but… OP is talking crazy. Hard Q-Anon level crazy.

I’m ready for you to give me a raise.

[quote] These Christian goon squads (they’ve armed all of them) will be part of enforcing the new government too.

Speaking of....

[bold]Guns and God: Growing number of churches want armed security

“Fifty years ago, you could say no guns should be allowed in church, but times have changed,” said a police chief who runs a volunteer church security team.[/bold]

The reason I totally believe OP is because I've already read about what op is talking about, many times before.

[quote] Barr is with Putin too. They all are. Every single appointment Dump is making is 100% Russian Asset. EACH ONE.

Hillary Clinton clearly stated that Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset.

Trump appointed Tulsi to be in his Cabinet.

Exactly what OP is talking about.

And think about Matt Gaetz.

Attorney General? Under normal circumstances, it would be comical and absurd. He should be IN JAIL, and not nominated for Attorney General.

But this is definitely part of Russia's and Trump's plan to dismantle the US Government, bit by bit.

Again, exactly what the op is talking about.

This is not a joke.

Ok, next I’m going to share how else to protect yourself. They are going to use NSA to sweep for resistors all over social media. Maybe that’ll be in a year, or maybe it’s already started, I don’t know the granular details.

I have activist friends who are front lines. All the lawyers on the frontlines for human rights are warning people to get the FUCK off of everything. Lawyers sent me files on digital security now. Use only Signal, it’s the only one the NSA can’t penetrate. Do not post *anything* political on your SM or you’ll be a target. I’ve been deleting my posts for at least a week. I deleted X. I thought Bluesky would be awesome and safe — until I found out it’s a trap too. The founders of Bluesky are Libertarians and STEVE BANNON helped to found it. They’ve been working on this for ten years. I have my account open just so I can read, but plan to delete shortly. Do not even text your partner anything political unless it’s inside Signal. Turn off your FaceID on your phone. If the po-po grab you, the first thing they do is hold your phone to your face to unlock it, then they look through your social media, that’s why you turn off FaceId. Leave no traces. Or don’t. You get to choose.

Because I posted sooooo many anti-Dump graphics and posts on X, once I erase myself from SM, I’m going to go through my cloud too. They are going to probe all of it. The only part I don’t know is if they’ll only take out leaders first, then us, or all of us at once. So I deleted X, Threads, Tribel. I emptied my accounts on Insta, BS, and TT. I will soon be forced to delete those accounts too, and eventually here. DL is still safe (I think?) because they will most likely target the loudmouths on X and BS first. So this place for now is very very very low on their list which is the only reason I feel safe sharing here. Anything that points to you being “blue” means they can label you a national security threat and seize your assets. I’m sorry. I fought this all with every fucking thing I have in me.

R63 simmer down now

Op your loose lips are getting you in trouble once again. I guess you know your posts and replies from here show up in Google searches, right?

R62, you are definitely clocking what I’m trying to say here. And think of what Tulsi is appointed to now, as a Russian asset. It’s GRIM for all of us now.

R64, I plan to use vices to keep my emotions in check because I can’t function. I gave kids/family around me, I’m trying to not cause them more trauma. But I don’t think I’ll be able to do this sober. Just keeping it real. I’m struggling.

3/10

I give it points relentlessness.

I don’t know what will happen but is not good.

I do believe that the economy will be out of control because price gauging will be higher than ever, with this people in power as businesses have no one to put a stop to their greed. They will say if you can’t afford to buy this and that then buy something else. Here in Miami, just days after the election we notice how day have increase all prices at Latino supermarkets such as presidente and sédanos. Now the owners feel free to do what they want to get the profits they want.

Russia is moving into Cuba and is about to open supermarkets and is helping Cuba with their electricity problems due to old Russian infrastructure. They are predicting the collapse of the dollar, I was skeptical before the election, but now I believe this will really happen.the republicans have destroyed this great nation. Our only hope is two years from now to take back the government, if Americans continue voting republican then get out by any means that you have from this country.

R65, I do know that yes. But because all of this info is already all over the internet, and because the “hot spot” of political talk is X now moved over to BS, I see this place as low-risk for now. Plus I’m not posting ANY documents to reduce my personal risk. Y’all will be forced to dig, this was the best I could do.

Op are you a psychic or psychotic?

R67 Della, I’ve been your fan here for 15+ years. I’m no troll sweet friend. I’m your ally. If it’s too scary, just leave this thread, for your own mental health, please. I get it.

This is kind of shocking if true but you think the NSA will start ease dropping on phone calls and searching on line for threats to the country?

YIKES

I wonder if that is how they have caught all those US spies who have been caught passing highly classified US data and reports?

R70, maybe both now LMFAO?!? I’m someone *well* connected to LEO/Fed, and I’m someone who has been pointed toward the actual receipts. And I’m an activist. I wish I had never read the receipts. That’s what I get for being curious and a bookworm.

R72, I do believe that to be true, yes. I don’t know the timing. I don’t know if people inside NSA will attempt to thwart. But once they’re caught, they’ll be jailed and replaced. Elon will install his people in there anyway.

OP, should we just call you GayAnon?

It’s true that really well connected, especially well connected to LEO, freedom fighters and resistors always go to places like DL and give the real inside scoop.

And while you might think these resistors would be talking in code and whispers meeting in secret but no some are so fucking stupid they go on line and tell stories about the entire resistance.

It’s called The Silent Opposition for a reason assholr

And anyone who is real and a part of the Silent Opposition is not blabbing on line. Now I have said far to much.

[quote]they won’t be deporting migrants. They are building camps in south TX and GA, but they will also use new prisons that states have been building. t’s too expensive and logistically difficult to ship them out.

Thank goodness it's not expensive to maintain prisons and prison camps housing millions of people, and to feed and clothe those people!

Are we renting for projects or do we have to buy someone? Is there a price list?

Asking for a friend.

Buying someone sounds immoral as well as expensive.

More: 600+ Feds (mostly Congress, but other departments too) are officially recognized as Russian assets. And our Fed did fckn nothing. Garland is compromised. Likely Wray too. That’s why they released Bannon and never charged Dump. Garland is either a Traitor or blackmailed. Garland and Biden needed to stop this and they didn’t. And yes, Jack Smith’s life is in grave danger, I’m sure he’s already fleeing as we speak. Smith was a good guy. Garland was a bad guy.

And your fckn President pretends everything is okay!!!!!!!! He’s greeting them at the fckn WH!!! So you and I have been betrayed by not only Dump and their entire party, but our own party has refused to protect us because they don’t want to get executed. They know everything that I know. They KNOW they’re going to make Americans actual slave labor, and just like on 1/6, they are just stepping to the side and letting this happen in the hopes that they aren’t murdered too.

We’ve been betrayed by all of our leaders. Yes, Dems tried. But they NEVER should have conceded like that. They hacked the vote using Starlink. The bomb threats were just a distraction. Those started at 6pm, but what also started at 6pm was that Starlink uploaded voting numbers. Elon blew up 4 satellites after the election to destroy the evidence. So did she really win? I think it’s possible. But polls were JACKED, so it’s so hard to say. Maybe she lost anyway AND they hacked the vote too. But we will never know because Dems refuse to fight. Like they refused to fight a staged assassination. We have no leaders now. That’s part of how they’re conquering us too.

Dollars to donuts he’ll get impeached again after the midterms

R8

OP, why must you cover your ass if you’re going to die soon?

It’s 791 commie enemies of the people not 600+; don’t minimize it’s a bigger problem than you let on.

EDITED: 837 commie enemies of the people. I bet some also work in Hollywood.

EDITED 943 commie enemies of the people by actual count. They keep hiding so an accurate count takes time.

R76, do you think people should be warned or no? How do we warn people???????? Tell me. Or I just sit back and let it all happen? I honestly do not know, I’m open to hearing what you have to say. I do NOT know best next steps. My only instinct now is to warn others, I haven’t even been here since maybe end of June because I was working on the election. If you think we should not warn them, I will for sure marinate on that idea and consider shutting the fuck up. I don’t want to hurt people anymore than they already are hurting, truly.

Y’all, maybe I’ll stop now for a while. I’m really sorry this is happening. And I’m sorry if it was wrong to warn people — I feel a duty to warn, but maybe I’m wrong.

I love you all so much. Try to focus on things that make you happy now. Music, food, art, sex, play, party, friends, nature. Focus on the simple, little things that bring you small joy now. Music is what’s keeping me sane through this. Music and laughing, I watch comedy when I can, that helps too. Lots of sex has helped LMFAO. Some drugs. Hubby doesn’t like that, but I’ll slow down now that election is over.

I thank you all for the many many years of joy here. It will always be home to me, forever and evah! It’s the best site, the best posters, the best culture. I think of DL as a neighborhood tavern. It’s not fancy, but it gets ‘er done.

I wish I didn't believe you, OP, but I do. I/m gathering my documents to move to Panama. The only one I still need (I think) is my apostille birth certificate, which is coming in the mail the second week of December.

What else should I be doing? I have very little savings, a couple tens of thousands. I too am afraid the dollar will soon be worthless. It's really scary and the way even intelligent liberals are just accepting this.

I own my property in FL, but it's only worth 60K. I also know Panama's currency is dollar-based.

Do you have any suggestions for me?

R81, because I’ve got family to protect now!!!! If I get busted, they could take down my whole household. There’s kids here, a business we run. If I get arrested, they could freeze our assets too (I believe that’s coming for me regardless). I’m trying to protect my family from my political activities because now I’m an enemy of the state in this new America.

I don’t know for sure that I’ll die, but I’ve been sick for 10 weeks now, went to ER, I’ve dropped say 16 lbs, can’t eat. I want my people protected should I kick the bucket, so I’m first protecting my family, but then you all too. I go to doctor tomorrow afternoon, he may want to admit me. I can’t stop coughing, my lungs won’t open up. It’s pure stress. And yes, I have an amazing therapist. I don’t talk politics with her, just my stress and how it’s now killing my body.

Panama for sure. The Silent Opposition has been very active in Panama for years so you will find kindered souls..

R84, do you have people or are you solo? I don’t know all answers but I’ll try to point you toward what I’m hearing others do.

R86, can you say just a little more without getting into trouble, so people have just a little context?

Do they require mental health exams before allowing people to live in Panama? Doubtful OP but I would check.

No, it's just me and my little old dog. I just feel like I should get out as soon as I can, and let the devil take the hindmost. My old dog's health is steadily fading. But that's it.

Do you have any idea of where I should go in Panama? Sorry -- I too have been a nervous wreck and my brain's just not working right. I feel like I have hounds chasing me.

Feel free to think I'm crazy.

It strikes me that for some of you younger more tech savvy folks here could make an absolute fortune.

Do a search and collect all the pre and post election comments on DL, threads exactly like this, , package them into a nice hard bound desk top book , and sell it on line as a tribute to trump and maga—-$200 a copy would be great.

“Owning the Libs”

MAGA could have years of reading and laughing pleasure.

My comment at R90 is for OP. I'm also the author of this thread:

Q what happens when QAnon and Gay get married?

A They have a little DL

Well, I will be fine.

I texted Leo (DiCaprio - who else?) and asked if I could go live with him & his crew on the yacht, & he was ever so gracious and granted my request.

He did, however, ask if I’d be willing to act as a de-facto high school teacher, & spend time teaching & tutoring his girlfriends so that they could pass their G.E.D.

Obviously, I didn’t hesitate, & enthusiastically replied, “Fuck yeah!”!

Small price to pay for freedom! 🇺🇸

R84….start with this. You don’t need to do anything today, you don’t need to decide anything today. Do not look at this as a problem, instead, I want you to view it as an opportunity. It’s the only way to stay sane. See this as an opportunity.

I wouldn’t do a thing today. Don’t decide. Just sit with all of it. Maybe go look at some of Jim’s stuff — but do NOT post anything on X, make your profile look like a MAGATS, use an email that sounds like a MAGAT for this. We will also be witnessing what’s happening at the same time (politically) that could change how you feel. Maybe someone will off Dump. Maybe the military will fight back. I don’t know how it will play out, so I cannot tell you to flee. You will have to decide for yourself. But the smart money says we have two months to do whatever we’re going to do. I suspect they might close the borders because of the immigration issue, not forever, but temporarily. So travel may not even be possible very soon. I honestly don’t know that part.

I think possibly liquidation is wise, but talk to your people first. You need trusted advisors. But as you listen to them, know that they are in denial too, and/or they have other motives. No one wants us to sell or withdraw. So listen to what they tell you, assess it, then you’ll have more clarity on what’s best for you, you sweet sweet human. Does that help at all? I’m in the same boat, you are not alone. It’s super confusing, and each person will need to decide for themselves and decide how much they trust the media and SM now.

[quote]So travel may not even be possible very soon.

That's what I've been afraid of, OP. That's why I started preparing when I did. I figure, look at the way the former USSR was handled, and that's what will happen here. Taking what they want a chunk at a time.

You and I are lucky in a way. We remember the Cold War and the Iron Curtain, and even had a whiff of the Cuban missile crisis. Younger folks don't have this inculcated in their memories like we do. They really think this could never happen. Well, it did before, just not here. For 200 years, our oceans have protected us -- not anymore. I could go on and on...

Anyway, my plan was to get the visa, come back here, and then leave for good as soon as I think it's necessary. But now I wonder.

Leaving now for lunch. Please keep posting as long as you can.

Oh -- and I've never been on Twitter, etc. Or Instagram. Barely on Facebook.

R84/SL, I was reading that thread you shared SO helpful.

The post that stood out most for me was r23. That poster says things are going to be changing SO rapidly that staying put may ultimately be best. There is wisdom in this too. I don’t know the answers on fleeing or staying anymore. I definitely think people are going to make a shit ton of money off of this, so it’s almost impossible to predict what the economy will do. Rich will get richer. Poor will get poorer. Middle class gone for real. But are you better off fleeing? I cannot say. It’s relative to your situation. I’ll probably be forced to stay because I won’t leave my husband, and he refuses to leave. So I’m pretty well trapped now. And the way that people survive this is by being invisible and silent.

Does that help at all? I have a dog too. I can’t leave my dog, but do I need to get real and leave her? I literally have no idea now.

For 200 years the US Navy has ruled the oceans and that is what has protected us.

R98, the US Navy was largely seen as a joke until after 1900.

Depressed liberals fleeing the country and leaving their dogs behind. A new maga approved dog rescue has arrived to help.

Fucking worthless coward.

R100, just pass that little doggie over to me.

I'm now in charge of such things.

Maybe so but they kept us safe. Unless you have an example of the US being successfully invaded in the last 200 years.

And no the Brits and the burning of the WH does not fall within the 200. And Dec 7 was an attack not an invasion.

Fucking oceans have not protected us. Other countries also have ships and navy’s . They can sail across oceans.

And exactly what kind of a person shows up on DL and talks about ditching their dog because they are scared . Someone worse than maga.

No the oceans did not do shit in protecting anyone. What a stupid statement.

R91, they can then use the pages to mop up their collapsed intestines that will be spooling out of their assholes when the famine gets really bad.!

Double win!

I'm just glad all my money is tied up in cash.

R105 they will do well living on the food and supplies left behind by fleeing scared liberals. Then they will eat the liberal dogs left behind.

If you take the property of the liberals, the gays ( not the normal maga gays who are great people) the trans, the illegals the rest can live quite well.

Liberals can be made to do the work people once thought only immigrants could do.

One other *horrific* thought. To survive, you could join them. “If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.”

Elon is actively recruiting a shit ton of workers, paying generously so they won’t make a stink when they slaughter human beings. I’ve thought about this for just a moment, but I would absolutely losing my fucking mind. But for those who are stronger than me? And who want to survive all of this? Shut the fuck up. Go dark. And then get a job in the Fed or for Musk. That’s one way to take the target off your back, temporarily. But if you get caught as being opposition, it’s game over. So it is a very very dangerous game to play. I don’t have it in me to wear a mask like that.

Omg.

OP: "Elon is actively recruiting a shit ton of workers, paying generously so they won’t make a stink when they slaughter human beings. I’ve thought about this for just a moment, but I would absolutely losing my fucking mind. But for those who are stronger than me? And who want to survive all of this? Shut the fuck up. Go dark. And then get a job in the Fed or for Musk. That’s one way to take the target off your back, temporarily. But if you get caught as being opposition, it’s game over. So it is a very very dangerous game to play. I don’t have it in me to wear a mask like that."

Also OP: "I don’t know for sure that I’ll die, but I’ve been sick for 10 weeks now, went to ER, I’ve dropped say 16 lbs, can’t eat. I want my people protected should I kick the bucket, so I’m first protecting my family, but then you all too. I go to the doctor tomorrow afternoon, he may want to admit me. I can’t stop coughing, my lungs won’t open up. It’s pure stress. And yes, I have an amazing therapist. I don’t talk politics with her, just my stress and how it’s now killing my body."

OP I am sorry you are in such hell right now, but the hell you are in is not objective reality. Trump won the election because he -- for the 3rd time straight -- beat the polls by around 3% to 3.5%. Over and over and over. And he won it because a narrow majority the American people voted for him. A majority of the electorate have soured on Biden and they did not want to swap in Biden's Veep.

OP, if your therapist is not talking with you about your extreme views about what you think is going to happen and what you need to do about it, that's on you. Reconsider your withholding of this info. You're paying her and your brain is soaked through with paranoid fears about "what's coming." Tell her these details that you are posting here.

OP If you are not joking and playing this as a comedy act and are actually having a nervous breakdown as you are sounding then get the fuck off DL and get some professional help.

R109, I actually will take your advice. But I also will tell you — I read ALL the receipts. Direct evidence, first-hand accounts, plus my contacts who were debriefed by Fed prior to the election over the summer. And I am now no longer looking for more info because it won’t even matter how much more I learn, the writing is already on the wall. I am going dark.

R110, read what I just wrote. It’s all facts. What is not a fact is the outcome — anyone telling us they know what will happen now is absolutely full of shite. You don’t know. I don’t know. But I am telling you everything here is true, it all happened. You get to interpret that however you wish.

I’m not here to pressure anyone into anything because I literally don’t even know what to do for myself. One of my core values is to protect people. I won’t let people get mowed down and just stand there and do nothing. If your value is to do nothing, that’s fine, you live with your own choices just exactly like me. Don’t believe me? Go look it up where I told you to look. It’s ALL THERE IN THE OPEN. If you choose not to verify a single thing, fine, but then your judgment of me is uninformed. I dare you to do it lololol. But you won’t. It’s easier to stay in denial I know. Much much easier. Jim Stewartson is also being sued by Mike Flynn, so he’s right smack in the middle of all of this.

R33 sure you are.

OP, Russia's GDP is smaller than Canada's. USA is #1 with China close behind.

Russia has also squandered most of its conventional military power, and nearly all of its human troops, on this war to try to conquer Ukraine.

Who should be afraid of whom? You seem possessed with this idea that Russia is massively more powerful than America.

Not one of these threads on any Internet forum I've ever been on in the many years Ive been on the Internet has been someone really leaking info rather than a troll or someone making things up. The only exception is stupid gossip about celebrities and some smallet political things.. But never one of those "this is their grand plan" or "here are a ton of details" things. Please be aware you're likely being baited just like the Q followers were by QAnon. That's all. I won't comment more in this thread as I don't want to be disruptive. But be careful about believing everything you read.

AMA - M'kay. OP - do you have a BIG dick? Big = 8inch or more.

I've played with the Idea of starting a rumor online to see how it went i.e., how far it spread etc. But I'm not that creative and I'd feel bad if it took a really bad turn.

R114, I’m OP and I fckn agree. Cross-check what I’m sharing here. We are drowning in disinformation. It’s also possible that I’m right, but that all their plans will fail or be thwarted. Anything could happen. But 100%, do NOT read a thread on a site and accept it as reality. You must research from first-hand sources, NOT opinion pieces.

R113, that’s exactly why they want to conquer us. They inherit our military power you see….also, Starlink is helping them to conquer Ukraine, so continue to underestimate them at your own peril. They’ve played the looooooooooong game, and they found an advantage once tech and SM came into play. They used our technology against us, and we were helpless to stop them. See the NRA as an example.

Sorry not sorry kids. Our country ended up in this clusterfuck for the same reason 9/11 happened, for the same reason COVID happened. America is so wealthy that we’re actually complacent and unable to assess threats fully any more. And that’s how they conquered us. Also, with a shit ton of help from our own. WTF do you think told Russia which polls to call in those bomb threats, hmmm?? I think there were 67 bomb threats? How would Russians know which churches and community centers to target without just a little bit of help on this side? It was Americans helping them.

OP... ? Assuming it was Russians, the Russians do have Google.

And r113, that’s one way to see it. But you aren’t counting all the oligarch money they have too. The Billionaire Tech Bros. All the other Billionaires. They are here to destroy us. And they’re using other Americans because they’ll take their fckn money. It’s all for money and power, the raping of America. The media helped too, and yes, some media are now in bed with Russia too (Hello Tucker). They’re using religion, media, tech, disinformation. The strategy is to turn us all against each other so we’re so busy fighting each other that we can’t fight them back. And also placate their base who will be lied to about what they’re doing and who will cheer for it and it will make them more money. We are owned by a Russian mob now. Watch what the other billionaires do over the next few weeks. I highly doubt you’ll see ANY pushback. Because they’ll make even more and they don’t want to be a target.

That’s why you’re now hearing about Latinos and Blacks calling ICE after election. That’s why you’re hearing black people are *enraged* at white Dems because they did deliver the votes, but we didn’t deliver the white vote, yet again, black voters were failed. They’re turning men against the women. Their goal is to roll back ALL our rights, like all of them. But you do you LMFAO.

OP - which one is the sleeper cell? Real Melania? Or Fake Melania? Both?

Honey, I know they have Google. Here’s an idea. I want you to go look up a polling station that lies in a rural province in Russia that has say one specific ethnicity, say Georgia — that’s what they had to do, yes it could be done on Google. But faster and easier if you just have people who are American helping, right?? And then get their phone number and know exactly when to call them DURING THE VOTE. 67 times, targeted at black polls. That’s called a coordinated attack, and an act of war. Obviously they called threats to police stations, but I heard poll workers also received those calls. If true, how did they know who they are and how to get their numbers, hmm?? Do you know how to do all of this just using Google?

Reverse engineer it and you will see just how fckn hard it would be for all the bomb threats and burnings too without Americans working with them. You think maybe just maybe an American gave them an assist?????? You think MAGA wouldn’t do this LOL? We have Traitors in the house, and now they are fully running our ENTIRE Fed.

Here’s another one. Elon Musk founded a corp based in TX called “The United States of America Inc.”. And guess who is an officer on Elon’s Board? CLIVE BUNDY. I saw the court docs. Is it sinking in yet? Look it up!!!!!! Go on X, it’s all there unless they scrubbed it. Do not screengrab what you see.

Also, in the Senate new GOP leader won by a “coup” McTurtle pulled off a secret ballot. I think the votes were 24/21. So. 21 GOP Senators are with Russia. If Dems band with those 24 who snatched the Senate Lead from Dump’s control, maybe, just maybe, they can stop his appointments? But I have no faith in any of them, both parties. But maybe this was create a miracle to stop just some of this madness? It is a ray of light, a small one, but I’ll take it. McTurtle resigned because his life is in danger now as he dared oppose Putin/Dump/Musk.

*typos, sorry

All they have to do is have the states provide the voter rolls which many people pick the Republican or Democrat party.

No need to scrub social media to find the democrats

So maybe the miracles will come from within the old GOP? I have no idea. But that means Rick Scott is a Russian Asset too. Anyone Dump picks is now FULLY aligned with Putin. So put your Putin glasses on.

R125, but how to identify the right demographics? It doesn’t say your race on your voting registration. How did they know which stations were black? I’ll wait.

ALL the bomb threats went to black polling stations. You tell me how they figured that out. Sure! They can pull up county by county, where black people live. But then how did they know the exact precincts to target that would hurt blue voters? And how to know a phone number for a polling station? Or which police department ? And they ALL called in around 6pm, 67 bomb threats. I don’t think you’re clocking how sophisticated their operation really was. This was an act of war, using targeted military precision. And that can only happen when you have spies helping you. The traitors are now running the Fed.

If Biden had balls, he would bomb Russia now. But he won’t. Leading us like lambs to slaughter.

What difference does it make if they are black or white.

According to rump’s plan, they’re all democrats and need to be punished

What am I missing here?

Democrats = treasonous rats.

And!!!!! Most police stations close their phone lines by 5pm. Maybe they kept them open for the election. But I live in a solid blue county, our website was the same for 20 years, like three days after the election, a whole new platform, AND my vote was not counted. Check your vote MFers. It will not change anything now because your leaders are too weak, but at least you’ll know the truth so you can face this with clarity and objectivity.

And for those just tuning in — yes, I’m a broken person now, but I come in peace. I am for ALL people, ALL freedom. They can take everything else from me, but they cannot take what I believe in. And while they conquered our Fed, and Americans SUCK, and our history is fucking a nightmare, they cannot rob us of what this country STOOD FOR. They can’t take that away, no matter what. So I get to keep that. And you do too, friend. You are free in your mind, I am too.

I am the poster here who works with incarcerated people. So I am sharing with you the wisdom of prisoners who will never be free again. Men and women, but mostly men who I love like brothers who will die in a cell. You can be free in your mind. They cannot steal that from you. I love you all. And I will always love what my country stood for. I will NEVER bend the knee to these traitors. Not sure what that means for me, but they do not own me, no man owns me.

DL may be the craziest fucking forum ever. And.i do mean that in terms of mental health. I have never seen crazy and the lack of good mental health like I have seen at the DL.

OP. How will the new administration impact the quality, pricing and availability of high end bed and bath linens?

Also, will tax subsidies be available to build that fallout shelter in my basement I always wanted ? Something with wet bar and sling I am thinking..

I’m a *bleeding heart liberal*. But here’s a spoonful of learning from a political strategist who left the GOP in 2016. I’m not a fan of him, but he is accurate and he is a patriot.

Meth is a hell of a drug.

Go look at Pete’s tattoos and tell me he’s not a Schnatzi. The US is getting the Ukraine treatment by Putin.

R135, I do not use stimulants LOL! I’m too old, my heart can’t take that shit. It’ll happen to you too. I’m 52.

[quote]Something with wet bar and sling I am thinking..

Frankly, I would have thought that would go without saying R133.

I need to step away from the internet.

Are you the OP R138?

No, just a barely stable person, R139.

R139, I’m OP.

What a great day.

A thread like thus, then a thread about hairy bearded men with a vagina, then Matt G who was just yesterday being investigated for sex with an underage to be AG and RFK who said AIDS was caused by popper sniffing men who were feminized into being gay or trans because of bad chemicals in the air

I think I have never seen a day like this since forever. If it was not so serious it would be incredibly funny. Producers kind of funny at least.

If in say 2 - 3 months, I’m still standing, and the worst has not happened, I will literally lay my broken ass down here and smile as you all flail me. I want you to. Because I’m in a nightmare and I need to be wrong. Please let me be wrong. I’ll take being wrong. There are a million ways it can play out, that’s the agony of it all, is fear of the unknown.

OP is not alone in his doom-spiraling:

'A retired U.S. Army officer who clashed with senior officials in Donald Trump’s first White House looked into acquiring Italian citizenship in the run-up to this month’s election but wasn’t eligible and instead packed a “go bag” with cash and a list of emergency numbers in case he needs to flee.

A member of Trump’s first administration who publicly denounced him is applying for foreign citizenship and weighing whether to watch and wait or leave the country before the Jan. 20 inauguration.

And a former U.S. official who signed a notorious October 2020 letter suggesting that emails purportedly taken from a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden could be Russian disinformation is seeking a passport from a European country, uncertain about whether the getaway will prove necessary but concluding, “You don’t want to have to scramble.”'

Whether we are right or wrong, the terror is 100% real. We were conquered by terrorists who do what terrorists like to do — terrorize people. Terrorism is a *massively* effective means to control the population. All you need to do is make people afraid and unwilling to trust anyone. Boom. They’re pinned.

They saw the damned BIG BOARD!!

OMG, I fckn needed that r146. Someone make me fckn LAUGH! I wanna be silly! Right now please!!!

R9 I think Social Security will be handed over to the new billionaire treasury/hedge fund manager so they can gamble with it. , Trump bankrupted casinos, he can certainly bankrupt the treasury. And have his old buddy Sessen (I think that's his name) do it.

The old people will be on their own, they should have planned ahead! They should have worked harder and bought their way into better schools! They should be able to live off their inheritances and investments, like up billionaires? Who needs them anyway?

We are so fucked.

Us^^^^

Blame (or give credit) the people that did not vote at all. Some are DL members

What will happen to military disability? My partner has Parkinson’s due to be exposed to Agent Orange

R151, no one knows yet. IF they succeed, it will be gone. The time to raise holy hell is before he’s inaugurated. Put the pressure on HIGH on not only your reps, but Rethugs too. Phone calls. Tell everyone you know that social security is about to get cut — shout that from the mountain tops. Try to give an appropriate threat to whoever you can. Old people, social security is gone. Women, they are going track our periods and outlaw abortion, contraception, working, voting. Black people, full oppression again. Immigrants, they are not deporting, they plan to use them as slave labor. Depart of Ed destruction means no more college or student loans — tell parents with young families this.

The only people who likely won’t listen to you are either wealthy or a low-risk category (white male hetero). ALL other people are going to be destroyed. And! They are talking closing the border while they deal with the immigrants. Got a trip booked? You can fuck right off. Elon is our Co-President, and he says we are going to have universal income and no jobs. Robots will do all our jobs, according to him. Just telling you what they’re saying. Impossible to know what will come true and what won’t, but treat this like a life-or-death threat. It is. RFK Jr wants to outlaw fucking French fries, ok?????? Your brain is not clocking how bad this can be.

A shorter answer? Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

Jesus Christ, take a Calgon you fucking loon.

So you're saying I should sell all my crypto?

I don’t know r155. Elon and Putin was to decimate the US Dollar and replace it with crypto and rubles. You may become very very very wealthy now. It’s so hard to tell people what to do. It’s all unknown. I would talk to an advisor.

*want

[quote]What will happen to military disability? My partner has Parkinson’s due to be exposed to Agent Orange

Don't you remember, R151? We're losers and suckers, and we should not expect anything.

They are not going to take military disability payments away. And while they could always add or take away covered conditions they are not going to remove agent Orange from the covered list. Agent Orange which is a well known combat related disability.

Other things , like how easy or possible, to qualify for a disability , things like that may be tinkered with or removed. But that is not unusual. Programs do change and not all those changes are plesant and some unpleasant changes are needed...

R151 you will be fine.

R156 nobody knows, that's the problem. I was trying to be lighthearted in the face of all this DOOMSAYING.

Good lord this is the most unhinged thing I've read in a long time.

There are people on Trump's enemies list who are busy GTFO as we "speak." I'd link the article, but it's a WaPo. I'll see if I can copy some of it.

[bold]Go bags, passports, foreign assets: Preparing to be a target of Trump’s revenge[/bold]

Some prominent critics of Donald Trump, and those he has vilified as “deep state” saboteurs, are taking seriously his vow of retribution.

A retired U.S. Army officer who clashed with senior officials in Donald Trump’s first White House looked into acquiring Italian citizenship in the run-up to this month’s election but wasn’t eligible and instead packed a “go bag” with cash and a list of emergency numbers in case he needs to flee.

A member of Trump’s first administration who publicly denounced him is applying for foreign citizenship and weighing whether to watch and wait or leave the country before the Jan. 20 inauguration.

And a former U.S. official who signed a notorious October 2020 letter suggesting that emails purportedly taken from a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden could be part of a “Russian information operation” is seeking a passport from a European country, uncertain about whether the getaway will prove necessary but concluding, “You don’t want to have to scramble.”

All spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid undermining their own preparations.

Yes. People who have the means plus the fear are finding a way to high tail it.

Vice President Musk... Could Trump have won without him?

And r162, you’ll be called hysterical for daring to believe the facts.

Jesus, someone really requires a 5150.

A new word will replace inflation because it will be much worse than that.

You people who are criticizing the op as being "crazy" are really going to be sorry.

You mock the op for being "paranoid," and yet you pay no attention to what Trump himself has said, AND has put on his immediate agenda.

Laugh at your own peril. This is EVERYTHING the op is talking about.

[quote] Trump’s ‘Deep State’ Revenge

The panic set in just before midnight last Tuesday. “She’s in trouble,” one U.S. intelligence officer fretted as Kamala Harris’s blue wall looked ready to crumble, all but ensuring that Donald Trump would head back to the White House. “This is a disaster,” said another, who is retired but served during the first Trump administration and bears the scars.

Neither of these men who contacted me on Election Night is a partisan. Like most intelligence officers I know, they prefer to steer clear of politics. But based on their experiences during Trump’s first four years in office, they dreaded what was coming.

“We will demolish the deep state,” Trump repeatedly promised on the campaign trail this year, wielding his term of abuse for the career national-security workforce he thinks is secretly pulling the strings of American policy in service of sinister ends. Many federal-government employees have worked reliably for presidents they didn’t vote for. But this is not enough for Trump, who demands personal loyalty and has sought to oust those who don’t give it. He called government employees “crooked” and “dishonest” and pledged to hold them “accountable” during an interview with a right-wing YouTuber in August.

“We will clean out all of the corrupt actors in our national-security and intelligence apparatus, and there are plenty of them,” Trump promised in a video on his campaign website last year.

Trump has nursed this grudge against America’s spies for a long time. Shortly before he first took office, in 2017, he accused intelligence-agency leaders of using “Nazi” tactics, insisting that they had leaked the so-called Steele dossier, with its unsubstantiated, salacious claims about his dealings with Russia.

Ten days later, on his first full day as president, he visited CIA headquarters, in Langley, Virginia. He stood in front of the Memorial Wall—a marble shrine engraved with stars representing officers who died in the line of duty—and boasted about the size of the crowd that had attended his inauguration. As he meandered through a version of his campaign stump speech, my phone blew up with messages from intelligence professionals, many of whom had known some of the people those stars commemorated. They were outraged and appalled, but none called for revenge or even hinted at it.

And yet, Trump took office convinced that malevolent bureaucrats had sabotaged his campaign and were bent on undermining his presidency. He still believes it. Rooting out these perceived resisters and replacing them with avowed loyalists ranks high on his agenda in the second term. How will he do it? I’ve been asking current and former intelligence officials that question for the past few months, and with new urgency over the past few days. Here are three scenarios they fear.

Trump attacks “targets.”

Trump could go after a curated list of people whom he’s identified as unreliable. Some of these targets have high profiles nationally: He has long railed against James Comey, the onetime FBI director he fired, as well as other senior intelligence officials from the Obama administration, including James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, and John Brennan, the ex–CIA director.

These men became voluble public critics of Trump’s attacks on the intelligence community while he was in office. Their outspokenness was controversial in the intelligence community, and it underscored the extraordinary risk they felt that Trump posed to national security.

But when Trump demonizes bureaucrats, he’s not talking just about these bold-faced names. He and his allies have also singled out many lesser-known officials and lower-level employees for their alleged sins against the once and future president.

Recently, The Washington Post reported that the American Accountability Foundation had compiled a “DHS Bureaucrat Watch List” of officials who it said should be fired for failing to secure the U.S. border. The nonprofit group—funded by the conservative Heritage Foundation—says it “deploys aggressive research and investigations to advance conservative messaging, rapid response, and Congressional investigations.”

It has published the officials’ names and faces online. Two currently serving officials who know people on that list told me they feared that their colleagues could be subjected to additional harassment from Trump or his political supporters.

Ivan Raiklin, a retired Green Beret and an associate of Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser, has compiled his own “deep-state target list” and promotes it on right-wing podcasts and social media. Raiklin’s list includes FBI officials who worked on the investigation into potential links between Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and Russia, as well as lawmakers and congressional staff who managed both Trump impeachments.

It even names some of these people’s family members.

Trump, once in office, may come after the people on these lists with the authority of the federal government. He could subject them to capricious tax audits, or harass them with investigations that force them to acquire expensive legal representation. He could also revoke the security clearance of any current or former official, making it difficult, if not impossible, for them to do their job as a government employee or contractor who requires access to classified information.

There’s a precedent for this method: In 2018, Trump said he had revoked the clearance still held by Brennan, the ex–CIA director, because of his criticism of the administration.

Trump fires employees en masse.

Shortly before he left office, Trump issued an executive order that would let him fire, essentially at will, tens of thousands of federal employees who enjoy civil-service protections. The ostensible grounds for dismissal would be resistance to the administration’s policies. Joe Biden canceled Trump’s order with one of his own. But Trump has promised to reinstate the order on the first day of his administration, enabling him to fire large swaths of federal employees and replace them with allies who support his goals.

Emptying national-security agencies of thousands of experienced workers could jeopardize U.S. national security, according to Asha Rangappa, a former FBI agent, and Marc Polymeropoulos, a retired CIA officer. “The institution of a ‘loyalty test’ in any part of the civil service would drastically undermine the effectiveness of our agencies and erode the public’s faith in their legitimacy,” they wrote in an article for Just Security. “As a more specific concern, the politicization of the intelligence community would wreak havoc on our national security and be profoundly dangerous for America.”

[quote]You people who are criticizing the op as being "crazy" are really going to be sorry.

Oh, I have no doubt Trump will direct his DOJ and IRS to attack his enemies, making their lives as miserable as possible for the next four years at least.

But that's a far cry from declaring every Tom, Dick and Harry a national security threat and seizing their assets, as the OP claims.

One obvious shortcoming of this strategy: If Trump jettisons layers of government employees and managers who run the national-security apparatus—the people who keep tabs on foreign terrorists, monitor Chinese espionage against the United States, and the like—who will replace them? Presuming Trump even has a long list, quickly installing thousands of possibly inexperienced personnel into vital national-security positions would be disruptive and distracting.

Officials leave under pressure.

Employees of the national-security agencies who conclude that, on principle, they can’t work for Trump could voluntarily resign in large numbers. Having witnessed the president-elect’s serial attacks on alleged deep-state plotters, these officials may not wish to stick around to find out whether they’ll be next.

Several current and former officials I spoke with in recent days said they either were contemplating retirement, some earlier than they had planned, or knew people who were. Some suspect that remaining in their job could put them at risk. In his first term, Trump sought to declassify information about the FBI’s investigation of Russian interference and possible links to his campaign. Officials worried then, and still do, that this could jeopardize people who worked on the case, as well as human sources overseas.

A vindictive new attorney general could publish the names of those in the Justice Department and the FBI who investigated Trump’s alleged removal of classified documents from the White House—for which he was charged with felonies. Intelligence officers who have worked undercover face the particularly unnerving possibility that public exposure could jeopardize their sources.

Officials might tough it out, but if they opt to resign before Inauguration Day, they will create vacancies at the upper echelons of the national-security establishment during what promises to be a tumultuous transition from Biden to Trump.

In our conversations, officials clung to one sliver of hope, and not unreasonably. Many of the national-security leaders Trump appointed in his first term were politically divisive and lacked experience, but they were not out to dismantle the organizations they led. John Ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence and Robert O’Brien, the national security adviser, have been on the proverbial shortlist to have top positions in the next administration.

Yesterday, The Wall Street Journal reported that Trump has selected Mike Waltz, a Republican congressman from Florida, to serve as his national security adviser. Waltz is a retired Army colonel who argues that the United States should help end the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East so that it can focus on the strategic challenge that China poses.

Career employees would probably feel relieved by these choices, if only in comparison with the more extreme candidates who have surfaced in recent months. But other signs suggest that Trump is heading in a less moderate direction. On Saturday, he announced that he would not ask Mike Pompeo, his former CIA director and secretary of state, to serve in the Cabinet.

Pompeo, who was expected to be a top candidate for defense secretary, is a staunch advocate of assistance to Ukraine, arguably putting him on the wrong side of Trump’s plans to end the war with Russia “24 hours” after taking office. Trump has also said that he will not ask former UN Ambassador Nikki Haley to join his administration.

Trump also insisted over the weekend that Senate Republicans agree to recess appointments, a signal that he intends to staff the executive branch with people who might not be able to win Senate confirmation if their nomination were put to a vote.

Senator Rick Scott of Florida, whom Trump allies support for majority leader, publicly embraced the idea. “I will do whatever it takes to get your nominations through as quickly as possible,” Scott wrote on X.

Turning away from broadly palatable Republicans and trying to skirt confirmation battles raise the chances that Trump will turn to hard-core loyalists, such as Kash Patel, a former administration official who fantasizes about deep-state conspiracies; Richard Grenell, an online pugilist who alienated foreign allies as ambassador to Germany; and Flynn, Trump’s onetime White House adviser who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia and was later pardoned.

The appointment of those officials would signal that the revenge campaign is in full swing.

One sign that it could already be under way came yesterday. Trump tapped Stephen Miller to be his deputy chief of staff, where he would be well situated to oversee the implementation of the executive order removing civil-service protections. Miller is well known as an architect of Trump’s earlier immigration policies. He would presumably work closely with Thomas Homan, whom Trump has announced as his new “border czar,” on the president-elect’s promised mass deportation of undocumented people in the United States.

But during the first administration, Miller also oversaw the ouster of top officials at the Homeland Security Department whom he and Trump deemed insufficiently loyal and not committed to the president’s agenda, particularly on border security. If Trump is looking for an aide to mount a campaign against ostensibly intransigent personnel, this time across the whole government, Miller is perfect for the job.

JHC the op is not giving any insight. You can read all of this special op insight in the wapo. He has no inside scoop at all. And yes things are going to be bad and some people may be arrested etc etc etc.

Anyone surprised by that has not been paying attention

The OP is having a melt down. That should be ok on DL.

[quote] Watch what the other billionaires do over the next few weeks. I highly doubt you’ll see ANY pushback. Because they’ll make even more and they don’t want to be a target.

Now it makes sense why Mark Zuckerberg called Trump immediately after his "assassination attempt," and said that he would be voting for him.

What's next for me is to sit back and watch the idiots fail. They don't have enough sense or money to carry out their evil plans.

They will do a lot of damage for sure, it likely will be very bad.

This is a group of incompetent, hateful, cruel people. Rump didn't succeed last time, he will fail again.

Meanwhile, I will donate to ACLU and support the resistance.

R175

Hmmm, R176 AKA Op, blocked me.

Why bother when you're checking the posts anyway, OP?

You have some interesting points, but please, calm down.

R177, not sure why these are blocked

I don’t know why you’re blocked for me as I thought I removed all blocks. I’ll back track later and remove it.

No worries. I block and unblock all the time and just cleared it out.

Is there a website where I can submit my zip code for inclusion in the coming nuclear Armageddon?

I have some cash stashed, not a lot, which is meaningless if the dollar tanks. My passport is good for another five years - I checked.

My cats (one is a rescue, yes!) are both about 15 years old.

My bank accounts are fairly healthy because my mom's probate was settled so all us kids got a small hunk.

The mortgage is almost paid off so there'd be a fairly decent profit after a sale.

All of this depends on some things remaining as they are. I am not prepared for jack-booted thugs or machine guns.

I'm worried but escape is possible (as much as I despise driving to Logan)

I wanna know the Epstein stuff OP

R183, ask, and I will give what I know. I don’t know it ALL but I know more than the average Joe.

[quote] Trump Pentagon pick had been flagged by fellow service member as possible 'Insider Threat'

WASHINGTON (AP) — Pete Hegseth, the Army National Guard veteran and Fox News host nominated by Donald Trump to lead the Department of Defense, was flagged as a possible “Insider Threat” by a fellow service member due to a tattoo on his bicep that's associated with white supremacist groups.

Hegseth, who has downplayed the role of military members and veterans in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack and railed against the Pentagon’s subsequent efforts to address extremism in the ranks, has said he was pulled by his District of Columbia National Guard unit from guarding Joe Biden’s January 2021 inauguration. He's said he was unfairly identified as an extremist due to a cross tattoo on his chest.

This week, however, a fellow Guard member who was the unit’s security manager and on an anti-terrorism team at the time, shared with The Associated Press an email he sent to the unit’s leadership flagging a different tattoo reading “Deus Vult” that’s been used by white supremacists, concerned it was an indication of an “Insider Threat.”

If Hegseth assumes office, it would mean that someone who has said it's a sham that extremism is a problem in the military would oversee a sprawling department whose leadership reacted with alarm when people in tactical gear stormed up the U.S. Capitol steps on Jan. 6 in military-style stack formation. He's also shown support for members of the military accused of war crimes and criticized the military's justice system.

Hegseth and the Trump transition team did not respond to emails seeking comment.

As the AP reported in an investigation published last month, more than 480 people with a military background were accused of ideologically driven extremist crimes from 2017 through 2023, including the more than 230 arrested in connection with the Jan. 6 insurrection, according to data collected and analyzed by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, or START, at the University of Maryland.

Though those numbers reflect a small fraction of those who have served honorably in the military — and Lloyd Austin, the current defense secretary, has said that extremism is not widespread in the U.S. military — AP's investigation found that plots involving people with military backgrounds were more likely to involve mass casualties.

Based on what I know thus far. Most of the dudes linked to Epstein were clients. Gates? Idk, haven’t seen direct evidence, I don’t know if he slept with anyone. Almost ALL the men were sleeping were minors (say 16 yo). I believe Clinton is one of these based on strong circumstantial evidence, same with Andrew, Jean Luc, Branson, maybe Dershowitz. Elon was a client, but I don’t know details on his victims. So there’s a dirtier sub-group who prefers them even younger, and both genders. The main members of this group are Epstein, Trump, RFK Jr, Bannon, and peripherally, Diddy (there was overlap). Michael Jackson too. Victims were 9 - 13 yo. Maybe Elon too, but I don’t know about him yet. Celebrities too, but the hot people are the ones with government power. I have seen the actual legal settlements Dump made with this group of victims, including their ages when abused and settlement amounts (one settlement figure is still unknown, but the victims name us out there)). And! Netanyahu was a client, I don’t know his preferences sexually, but he was with Epstein too.

So when you think about Gaza, Ukraine, and how we just lost this election, know that it’s all tangled up in BOTH sides needing Epstein stories to be silenced. Barr had him offed, and Barr’s father groomed JE. What I don’t know yet is if he groomed him sexually, as a double agent for Mossad, or both. Epstein was with Mossad. His entire operation was so Israel can blackmail world leaders and powerful people to protect their interests. So Barr is a double agent and has been against US interests since maybe forever. I assume he’s with Putin too. I don’t know if this story is true, but I even heard Bibi orchestrated the October attacks on his own people to ensure Biden would lose. You know, how Ukraine helped Biden lose too? That Bibi started the war on purpose to hurt Biden. None of these events were random. They were part of a broad strategy to topple the US without mercy. And it fucking worked.

Of course, media has sold out, so you’ll never hear this in the mainstream, but they all know it, and cannot report it for obvious reasons. But massive amounts of the evidence is out there, you just need to know where to look. If I were a journalist, not sure I would take on Putin and Mossad either.

Also, our Fed debriefed contractors telling them they had eyes on all the Schnatzi activities in July. But….they weren’t ready, were they? They let out Bannon a week before the election, allowed a Schnatzi Rally at MSG, let Mike Flynn build goon squads unchecked, and are dismissing all cases against Dump. Merrick is most likely being blackmailed. Clinton in his new biography finally talks more about Epstein because he’s trying to get ahead of the story, it’s very “I did not have sex with that woman”.

Trying to think what I’m forgetting on Epstein. He was best friends with Dump for ten years, he spent TONS of time in WH in his first term, and I believe Dump called him after midnight almost 60 times his first term. But nothing to see there. Oh! Ghislaine gave Dump Melania, and their first hook-up was on Epstein’s plane. But he didn’t know him.

R185, he is a de facto Schnatzi tied to Eric Prince. He comes to kill Americans. Truly.

“Fckn?”

Guys, it’s TeaFake, yet again. Look at when he gets unhinged in this thread: textbook TeaGate.

And you all fell for it.

Frankly I believe every single thing OP has said. I’ve felt it in my bones since the 1980s. I couldn’t think about it because it would make crazy. I used to say that to others quite a lot too. I guess I’m old enough to take it now. I’m the last of my immediate family and never had one of my own so it’s just me. I can’t run. Maybe I can fight in some way.

R188, I promise you I am not that lunatic. I used to post on X a ton, and I found that if I didn’t spell out “fucking” that the algorithm didn’t oppress my posts as hard. So that’s from my X posting habits.

R189, it’s all true and is available for you to see — IF you plan to act on this thread as true, then I first encourage you to slow down and do your own research. Don’t make any decisions off this thread. Cross check what I’m saying. I can point you toward sources but I will not post any images because I deleted all of them on purpose from my Cloud.

Another option is simply this. You know it now, but you keep marching. We cannot control any of our fates at this point. Our fates are intertwined and in the hands of true Schnatzi madmen. The only thing that can save us now is parts of the Fed. I have no faith in them. I don’t think they’re assessing the threat level correctly and/or, it’s to their personal benefit to let America fall. I was so mad at first because I thought all the rich could escape. For sure they will be better off, but the truth is there is no escape for much longer. Russia is here to conquer all of the West, and it’s working. The West is falling. Just know that, and try to find joy within.

I'd be interested to know if there are plans brewing for a lot of people to flee from red states to blue states where they perceive they will be safer and more protected.

I think we will see some of that r192, but as each day passes, I’m thinking they’re going to make an example out of blue states. Show the whole country what happens when you FAFO. There are people in the NG who are terrified that they will be asked to fire upon other Americans (they are blue, of course!). The MAGATS in the military are excited to do this.

And there’s the difference right there. One side is excited to hurt the other, the other side dreads hurting anyone else. So one side is good, the other bad. The side that wants to hurt people is evil incarcerate. And they hold all the power.

I’ve seen military online taking about how to uphold the Constitution. But I don’t understand how they do that when there are Traitors within their own ranks. Their commandeers will tell them what will happen if they don’t cooperate. They will force them. Did you hear about the Russian injured soldier this week? He’s walking on a crutch, forced to shoot other soldiers who refuse to fight, and if he stops advancing, Putin has a drone at his back to shoot him. That’s what our military is going to do to fellow Americans too. They will force them to attack fellow citizens, and they will have no choice.

OP, simple question. (maybe not so simple). There is a small minority out there, some posting on DL, who believe that, yes (as I believe you've intimated), this election was stolen, mostly due to the participation of Elon and Starlink.

The biggest assertion is that up to 15 million Democrat votes for Kamala disappeared. That Kamala not only won the election, but that she won by at least 2 points, which is what the final Polls predicted right before the election.

Here's the question: How much of what you've chronicled does Kamala know? And if she does know, say, a lot of what you're claiming Biden knows, why would she have bothered to campaign? Is she one of the few high ranking who's in the dark? Is she somehow being prevented from speaking out? Was she set up to lose and genuinely had no idea?

Common sense would tell me she's been looking at the bonkers final numbers and pulling her hair out - just like the rest of us.

I was wondering the same back in 2016 about Hillary Clinton. Back then, I assumed she, Obama, James Comey, all of them knew what really happened, and were working feverishly behind the scenes to prove fraud and change the results. (What a fucking idiot I was!)

So are you able to explain how all this might connect?

What about state leaders? Governors? I’m in CA, is Newsom part of it?

[quote] ‘Morning Joe’ Argues Trump’s Cabinet Picks Are Unqualified on Purpose: ‘They’re Trying to Wreck the Government’

Donald Trump surprised many over the past week with shockingly unqualified individuals being selected to run major facets of the government in his Cabinet. But the crew on “Morning Joe” argued on Friday that’s precisely the point: Trump and his administration don’t want to run the government, “They want to wreck the government.”

“What if the goal isn’t to run it, and the goal is in fact to ruin it? And what this is about is taking the president and his ideological betters at their word,” MSNBC analyst John Heilemann said on the program. “It’s about the thorough deconstruction of the democratic state. They’re trying to wreck the government, not run the government.”

Heilemann then argued that vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. would actually be Trump’s ideal pick as Health Secretary.

“If that were the goal, Bobby Kennedy might be uniquely qualified to do that in the world of HHS because not only is he not able to run an organization this big, but he’s a paragon of misinformation and disinformation about health, which is another kind of toxicity and poison that he may introduce into the system if he gets this job.”

Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel agreed and added that in contrast to Trump’s appointments in his first administration, like former Defense Secretary James Mattis and former AG Bill Barr who pushed back on the president, these picks are all die-hard Trump loyalists.

“I think another way of looking at these appointments is these are not people who are going to resist Trump’s whims and aren’t going to say, ‘No, there is a bright line, these things aren’t Constitutional, these things aren’t legal, I’m not going to do that.’ And I think these are appointments that are going to bend to his will, and that I think is extremely dangerous. It’s up to the Senate.”

Teacake/DeFacto/Davida.

R196 Thanks for catching on after 8 years, Joe!

Waiting for OP TROLL to slip in George Clooney on Epstein Island…

[quote]Waiting for OP TROLL to slip in George Clooney

Pics please.

Why is this thread about the American Medical Association?

If you’re paying attention, OP has acted as a gay man as well as a straight woman in this thread. Teacake/Davida is slipping up while trying to trick you all.

Notice that it didn’t take long for him to throw Clinton and Biden onto the EVIL pile, while still maintaining he’s a true-Blue Liberal.

No consistency from post to post.

Everything OP has said is true and he has avoided predicting what will happen, as there are any number of factors that might present hurdles to the administration's plans. But, Clinton was on Epstein's plane and he's not a saint. It's pretty well-known that Epstein was a Mossad agent. The ties back to Maxwell are documented. Ivan Raiklin does have a hit list and if he is given any rope, he will use it. And these people aren't talking about just hassling the hit list with tax audits. They want to imprison those people, if not worse. Putin, Netanyahu and Trump are all aligned, and I wouldn't doubt that Netanyahu saw an opportunity to wipe the Palestinians off the map by either allowing the southern border to be vulnerable or by actively ignoring intelligence and allowing the massacre. We have been fighting a new kind of hybrid war and we are losing. Everyone will need to decide whether they have the intestinal fortitude to fight what's coming. I imagine it will be quite bloody.

I’m OP. I’m a straight woman who is an ally of the gay community — I’m an artist of sorts, so I’ve always been part of the gay community and culture. Some of my posts may sound like a gay man, but I’m not, I work with a lot of men so maybe that’s why I sound like one at times, I’m the only broad. I’ve been here over 15 years, mostly as a lurker to respect my gay brothers, it’s their space, plus my gay sisters here too. A few of my earliest threads I witnessed were Mr Silver Slippers, Mr Hollywood, and I witnessed the OG poo shoes thread in real time. I played a minor role on the Soft Butch Sous Chef thread.

R194, to answer your question. I believe the Dems know all of this, and their attitude is “we will get ‘em next time” because they *refuse* to damage election integrity/trust with voters. It’s INSANITY. I don’t expect them to fight it. And!!! There’s more. The way our voting machines are set up, if the codes were hacked (they were) even if you run the ballots again, it will give you the same results. There is no way to audit the ballots unless it’s done by hand. Red states have already destroyed some ballots (I heard that but didn’t cross check). So the only way Dems could fight back is by doing sample recounts that are not done by machine in tiny individual precincts. In addition, I found out that the voting machine manufacturers will not let the government see the data in the machines — the government doesn’t even own that data. So it’s a hand recount or nothing. How do you “get ‘em next time” as they destroy our Fed? And they will do it again, just like Russia!!!!!

I can’t tell you if she won or not. It’s possible they hacked the vote to be sure they would win, but ultimately didn’t need it anyway. Check your ballots!!! Has anyone here bothered to check their ballot? If it’s good, awesome, but please share it either way. Just go look. I doubt there will be many that aren’t good because we would need a large sample pool. My ballot won’t even come up, but there is another reason that could have happened to me.

Project 2025 is a strategy supported and I am sure influenced by Putin himself. The entire globe sees this for what it is. Only Americans don’t see the threat. The whole world has written us off, and we are REVILED now, or pitied. We let Russia win.

Poo

It will be something close to The Domination of the Draka. The immigrants will be treated as serfs, third-class citizens. They and their children and children's children will be eternal workers.

OK, now I'm a little terrified.

Russia will take Ukraine and parts of Eastern Europe.

Russia will also take parts of the Canadian arctic by force and the US will not intervene. Putin will "buy" Alaska back from the US.

China will invade and absorb Taiwan. Trump will rattle sabres, but he and Xi will strike a deal on debt. Trump will abandon our commitments in the Pacific.

Rethugs in the Senate will wring their hands, yet green light every idiotic thing he does.

Notice SheCake avoids the Kamala question? Notice that SheCake is very vague about the Epstein Island "happenings," except making sure to throw Clinton in there?

If Biden is part of the same EVIL as Trump, why is this "True-BLUE Liberal DEM" even voting for Democrats? She even said "BOTH SIDES!" several times. SheCake is making it all up.

Also, NO WOMAN has insider knowledge of the inner workings of the Cabal. Not even one who works "with a lot of men so maybe that’s why I sound like one at times."

-5/10

R211, fuck you. Of course I’m vague about the island — I don’t have the depositions on those so I won’t pretend I have details. I only read the deposition of the two victims, 13 and 14 year old girls, who Dump raped, and I don’t believe it was the island, I cannot remember where, I think Trump Tower. He had one be handcuffed to act out a rape fantasy. He beat her in the face afterward for crying. I’m only sharing info in which I’ve seen direct evidence. What don’t you get about that? If I give an opinion, I try to say it’s an opinion. I’m doing my best not to speculate too much because there’s so many variables at play now. The settlements I saw, those victims were all assaulted at his various properties, I believe Trump Tower and Bedminster, and maybe one at Maralago, can’t remember exactly. Go on X to @RapinDonaldHQ, they had some posted there, no idea if it’s been scrubbed now that he won. Go look for yourself.

I NEVER said Biden is part of Dump at all! But what I am saying is that his refusal to fight back and treat what Russia did as an act of war in our election has de facto ushered Russia directly into our WH. When I’ve used “both sides” there is always *context*. The Dems are NOT with Russia to my knowledge, but that could change, the flood gates are open now. However, they fucked up BAD, Joe fucked up BAD. I campaigned for Kamala and she wasn’t my first choice.

I’m just a woman who is sharing first-hand documents that I saw with my eyeballs. You’re telling me I didn’t see them now? Why don’t you just leave the thread then? And yet here you are. You’re derailing. No one is making you stay here, no one is making you read this, no one is forcing you to change your beliefs. It’s a choice. If you don’t like the choice, why stay dude? You’ve said your piece. Now go piss on someone else.

[quote] I only read the deposition of the two victims, 13 and 14 year old girls, who Dump raped, and I don’t believe it was the island, I cannot remember where, I think Trump Tower. He had one be handcuffed to act out a rape fantasy. He beat her in the face afterward for crying.

This tracks, because Trump has a tiny dick.

He could never satisfy a real woman, so he goes after children.

OP, since you're here now I'd like to ask a question.

Why would Elon Musk work to actively destroy the country that has made him a billionaire, and in which all or most of his businesses are based?

Same for Trump.

If this country goes down, so do their businesses, and so does their wealth.

So I'm having a hard time understanding why they would work to destroy the US and hand it over to Putin.

It’s a combination of motivations r214, not sure I can even do it justice. LeonHusk is now a Christo-Fascist too. He wants women barefoot n pregnant. He built a compound in TX near Waco to have all his bitches under one roof, “Sister Wives” style. He’s lost his mind now. And he loves to control people using money and fear. Second…he will become much much richer if he destroys the US Dollar but gets the world to move over to bitcoin because he already control much of that sector. He will destroy us and rebuild us into his vision which is quite South African Apartheid. He wants POC removed from middle/upper class and put back into “black jobs”. Many will not be deported at all, they will work as slave labor, for free. Maybe they will deport only gang members. I don’t know. But many will be in the camps they’re building.

Think of Putin. He controls the largest country in the world. If you controlled the resources of the US almost completely, and then you *partner* with Vlad to share resources and strategy, wouldn’t that make you literally king of the planet????? It makes him more powerful than all the other billionaires put together because the government now belongs to him. And next in Putin’s target once Ukraine falls is Eastern Europe, likely Poland.

Sidebar video breakout session

Go to I think R7 on thread above. Post from today.

First, Teacake has “SEEN EVERYTHING!”

Now, it’s just “her opinion.”

SheFake is a seasoned troll.

R218 is the "Nothing to see here!" and "Everything is fine, don't panic!" TROLL.

Probably also telling us that Trump would NEVER win, and Kamala was a SURE win.

Fuck off and die, CUNT!

Okay r218. I’m done, you win. I’m too devastated to fight one more person. I’ve been fighting since a year ago, actually more like ten years ago. Have a great day, live your best life.

I was very clear that I’ve seen *enough* to assert my claims. I gave you two places to go look on X. I could give you 20, but why bother? You refuse to look. Do you understand how many documents relate to this? Tens of thousands. I’m not in the CIA, I’m not a spook, I’m just a regular Joe. I feel a duty to warn, and I’ve done that here, so I guess mission accomplished. I tried y’all, I really tried. I love what America stands for and always will.

I cut and pasted this into chat GPT to analyze and summarize:

This thread seems like a mix of conspiracy theories, doomsday scenarios, and personal fear. The OP claims to have insider information about an imminent collapse of the U.S., linking it to geopolitical conspiracies involving Russia, China, and domestic political figures. They frame their posts as a call to action for survival preparation, emphasizing stockpiling cash, food, and medicine, while discouraging denial and hysteria.

### Key Themes: 1. **Conspiracy and Fear-Mongering**: - Claims of insider information without verification. - Predictions of forced labor camps, asset seizures, and the U.S. economy collapsing. - Suggestions that global powers like Russia and China are behind a coordinated takeover.

2. **Survivalism**: - Advice on cashing out investments and preparing for economic shutdowns. - Recommendations for stockpiling survival goods.

3. **Political Alarmism**: - Claims of military coups, universal income, and authoritarian governance. - Assertions that the U.S. is already "conquered."

4. **Dying Witness Narrative**: - The OP states they are terminally ill, adding an emotional layer to their warnings.

5. **Plausible Denial and Defensiveness**: - Acknowledgment of typos and stress, aiming to present sincerity despite the alarmist tone. - Attempts to dissuade criticism by framing the thread as helpful rather than fear-inducing.

### Analysis: The thread reflects a high level of paranoia and a lack of credible evidence. It borrows heavily from common apocalyptic and conspiratorial tropes, combining them with current anxieties around political instability and global power struggles. While some concerns (like economic strain or geopolitical tension) might have a grain of truth, the extrapolations are extreme and unsupported. Threads like this often thrive on the ambiguity of unverifiable claims, preying on fears rather than fostering constructive dialogue.

This thread is an amalgamation of conspiracy theories, fearmongering, and apocalyptic predictions, but that doesn't mean every piece of it is entirely fabricated. Here's how to break it down critically:

### What seems unlikely or outright false: 1. **Mass enslavement camps in the U.S.:** This claim sounds like a sensationalist distortion. While the U.S. has detention centers for undocumented immigrants, the idea of systematic enslavement seems far-fetched without substantial evidence. 2. **Military takeover:** Proposals for a military coup or purging generals are not realistic in a democratic society without massive systemic breakdowns, which the thread fails to substantiate with real-world evidence. 3. **The "crypto and rubles" replacement for the U.S. dollar:** This theory conflates legitimate discussions about cryptocurrency with baseless speculation.

### What might have kernels of truth: 1. **Economic challenges and social unrest:** The U.S. has faced increasing polarization, economic disparities, and concerns about the role of the military or law enforcement in civil unrest. These fears are rooted in observable trends, but they are exaggerated in the thread. 2. **Civil asset forfeiture and authoritarian trends:** There is ongoing criticism of how civil asset forfeiture laws are applied, sometimes unfairly, and concerns about creeping authoritarianism in global politics. However, framing it as an imminent totalitarian takeover lacks evidence. 3. **Global instability:** Russia, China, and climate change are genuine global challenges, but predictions of their complete domination or the "collapse" of Western civilization are hyperbolic.

### The tone and intent: The thread reads more like doomsday fiction than factual reporting. Its anonymous author claims insider knowledge but refuses to provide verifiable sources, making it impossible to separate truth from fiction.

### Conclusion: While there are nuggets of legitimate concern buried within the hyperbole, the overall narrative is largely speculative and sensationalized. It's best not to take such threads at face value. Stick to reputable news sources and fact-check claims independently.

Ovarian Cancer, do your job!

(Unfortunately, SheFake has no ovaries).

By all means, R221.

Trust a computer and artificial intelligence to tell you the truth, and not an actual human being with first hand information.

It's so bizarre to me how intellectually lazy Americans (including Dataloungers) have become.

So willing to believe all the drivel that's spoon fed to you by the mainstream media and the global propaganda machines.

And yet when someone comes to you with actual inside information (with lots of verified factual evidence to back it up) , you're so quick to shoot it down.

Why is that?

Are you just burying your head in the sand, or do you actually believe the bullshit you are told by the "powers that be?"

In any case, you're a moron, and you are a HUGE part of why this country is in the position it's in now.

People don't ask questions any more, and they don't do their own research.

They just believe what they're told.

Until the shit hits the fan. And they you say, "But no one told us! We believed the media!"

That's YOUR fucking fault.

R222, mainstream media refuses to report this. The only way to verify currently is to go to independent journalists, and you need to vet them HARD, plus vet the source they have that it isn’t AI/Fake. If you go to YT, type in “Michael Wolff Jeffrey Epstein Tapes” where Jeffrey describes parts of their relationship and just what Trump is like, it’s been authenticated as him, unaltered. It’s the Daily Beast. They were BFF’s. Dump didn’t want him dead. This tape doesn’t get into the crimes per say, just shows how close they were.

Michael Wolff has over 100 hours of Epstein on tape, and let’s put just a little drab days before the vote hoping to tip it for Kamala. Too little too late. He’s an SOB for sitting on these for 8 years. He wants to get rich off his tapes, but now they will try to off him because Dump won.

R224, thank you for defending me. Not sure how else to try and warn people. Should I not warn anyone? No? Idk.

More Epstein from the Grave

[quote] Spy world is vexed by Trump choice of Gabbard as US intelligence chief

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -President-elect Donald Trump’s choice of Tulsi Gabbard as U.S. intelligence chief has sent shockwaves through the national security establishment, adding to concerns that the sprawling intelligence community will become increasingly politicized.

Trump's nomination of Gabbard, a former Democratic congresswoman who lacks deep intelligence experience and is seen as soft on Russia and Syria, is among several high-level picks that suggest he may be prioritizing personal allegiance over competence as he assembles his second-term team.

A Western security source said there could be an initial slowdown in intelligence sharing when Trump takes office in January that could potentially impact the “Five Eyes,” an intelligence alliance comprising the U.S., Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Inside and outside the U.S. intelligence network, much of the anxiety focuses on Trump's choice of Gabbard, 43, as director of national intelligence, especially given her views seen as sympathetic to Russia in its war against Ukraine.

Wednesday’s announcement of Gabbard, an officer in the U.S. Army Reserve, surprised even some Republican insiders.

Gabbard has stirred controversy over her criticism of President Joe Biden’s support for Ukraine, which has prompted some critics to accuse her of parroting Kremlin propaganda.

She also spoke out against U.S. military intervention in the civil war in Syria under former President Barack Obama and met in 2017 with Moscow-backed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, with whom Washington severed all diplomatic ties in 2012.

The selection of Gabbard has raised alarm in the ranks of intelligence officers unsure of how tightly she holds some of her geopolitical views, whether she is misinformed or simply echoing Trump’s “Make America Great Again” followers.

A European defense official described Gabbard as "firmly" in the Russia camp.

"But we have to deal with what we have. We will be attentive,” the official said.

A British government official said they would be watching to see whether Gabbard's nomination was confirmed.

Philip Ingram, a former intelligence officer in the British military, said her past comments about Russia "will set alarm bells ringing around the world" and her appointment could impact how intelligence is shared between allies.

Intelligence officials could be "more selective in the level of detail they are willing to pass on", including in how they protect sources and phrase information, he said.

Some analysts said concerns about Gabbard could be tempered by Trump’s choice to head the CIA: John Ratcliffe, a former congressman who served as director of national intelligence at the end of Trump’s first term.

Though close to Trump and expected to offer little pushback against his policies, Ratcliffe is not seen as an incendiary figure and could act as a counterbalance to Gabbard in his post atop the No. 1 spy agency among the 18 that she would oversee.

But some analysts said that by attempting to install Gabbard with other controversial loyalists, including congressman Matt Gaetz for attorney general and Fox commentator and military veteran Pete Hegseth for defense secretary, Trump is showing he wants no guardrails to his efforts to remake federal institutions.

Democratic critics were quick to pounce not only on Gabbard’s views but what they see as her lack of qualifications and the potential the new administration could deploy intelligence for political ends.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence was created after the Sept 11, 2001 attacks to fix what was seen as a lack of coordination between those organizations.

“She isn’t being put in this job to do the job or to be good at it. She’s being put there to serve Donald Trump’s interests,” U.S. Rep. Adam Smith, the ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, told CNN on Thursday.

Correct r227. And Dump’s interests = Putin’s interest. So….if you were Putin and you had someone like Tulsi in charge? What would you do first? I can tell you what I would do, but would rather hear from someone else. Be prepared to be called a TinHat even though you are not one.

[quote] This tape doesn’t get into the crimes per say

OK, OP, this is where you lost me. If you spell "per se" incorrectly, you are either an idiot or idiot adjacent.

For all of you who think I've lost my mind following this thread, keep in mind I've been considering leaving the country ever since 2020, when I voted early and left for Cancun "just in case." I only came back here because Biden won. So emigrating is certainly not something I'd be doing on a whim.

For the last four years, I've been doing research into which Latin country I might want to live in. I have dreamed since I was a teenager of being fluent in Spanish, and my father (long before the election) was encouraging me to move to a Spanish-speaking country just for fun. He knows what an adventurer I am and that there's nothing I love more than a challenge.

So I haven't gone down the rabbit hole, as they say. But I still believe I need to have an escape plan, and I have weighed my options over and over (I'm a Libra) and decided on Panama.

SL, I know how to spell, it was my autocorrect gurl! Per se, my phone just did it again but I fixed it. I also have training in Latin/etymology, I’m just frazzled. Not to mention I’m forgetting to proof because I’m stressed out. I apologize for not proofing.

I do think Panama sounds extremely promising too. Mexico as well. You could just work your way south, stay along the coast line, play $50 per night, stay in tourist zones (if you want to go slow). I would do that because it will buy you more time in Panama. Wear out the visa in each country as you go is my thinking. I think Mexico lets you stay longer, that’s why I might start there and then slowly move south.

IF my family will come too. So far, they will not because they don’t believe this is happening. I have the means to go without them, but I don’t think I can leave without them.

Mexico's retirement visa program is too expensive.

[quote]To apply for a Mexico retirement visa in 2024, you must provide proof of a monthly income of between $4,300 and $4,500 for the previous six months.

Yes, but as a tourist, you have 180 days without any requirements.

I guess I was thinking Panama may not give you lifelong visa, but now I see what you mean. I saw their visa is 180 days, I didn’t realize how quickly they could approve you on a retirement visa. I was thinking your tourist visa would run out too quickly. Maybe confirm how long it takes them to process a retirement visa now?

It’ll be easier from here than trying to do it inside Panama, yes? I don’t know, I’ve never done it myself.

No -- you can get most of the docs approved here at the closest consulate (Tampa, in my case) and in theory, you can Contact a Panamanian lawyer, head to PTY, and be through the entire process in a week.

So they say.

And you only have to go back there once every year or two, get your passport stamped, and come right back here, and you will keep it.

I've done my research, but it won't be cheap.

Wait! You can get on done in a week? I thought you had to buy property there first. Which type are you looking at, just so I track with you? Don’t worry, no one believes it’s happening, and Panama will be low on the list, they think Europe will stay safe, or Canada, so one’s paying attention here. Have you found a lawyer yet? How does one find a reliable foreign lawyer? Those tied to the government maybe? Hmmm….this is good food for thought.

Are you SURE only a week???? I’ve never heard of it so fast. How much (roughly)? If you don’t mind. I’m rooting for you. Maybe I’ll be following you. If I can get my husband to wake up, I may be right behind you. Looking at Costa Rica and Mexico too. Costa Rica and Panama are more stable, but can cost more near/in the city. Mexico is cheaper but has the whole cartel thing which is a bummer. I know how to mostly avoid cartel, but that isn’t a draw LMFAO. Cartels be scawy.

I'm getting the Pensionado Visa, where you need 1K/month passive income from the government, i.e., social security. Someone gave me the name of a lawyer, but I don't know how honest she is. That's why I'm trying to make some connections with Panamanians living here in the US through my contacts in my motorcycle club. All told it should be 2K if all my documents are in order, which is a lot of work. Plus the air fare (eeek! -- and that's from Florida!). One step at a time.

Here's a YouTube.

What’s fascinating about OP’s post is that if any of this were true, then it’s happening because a foreign nation has collapsed or is on the brink of doing so, which will work out fantastically for Elon Musk, as this is all primarily centered around Star-Link: who controls it, & who can use it in order to do whatever the fuck they want with it. Guess who wins that toy? The United States.

AND… the story needs to be revised, as the main protagonist in all of this is actually China. Specifically its economic collapse, not ours.

There are many other falsehoods, misinformation and intentional misdirection in OP’s story, but basically, China will pay the piper for CoViD, regardless of how it was initially introduced into their own population, by whom, or why. And had it not been covid? It would have been something else, but no way in hell will the United States allow any country in the world the opportunity become as powerful or more powerful than itself, which China would have eventually been poised to do. I’m not stating that I have any feeling about it one way or the other, but I am saying is that American imperialism is a helluva drug.

Americans will pay the piper as well, but not even close as to how others will.

R238, can you point to one falsehood please?

OP R204 " I believe the Dems know all of this, and their attitude is “we will get ‘em next time” because they *refuse* to damage election integrity/trust with voters." (I'm sorry I don't know how to properly format).

So the Dems are LYING to us to protect election integrity??? Integrity that hasn't existed since (at least) 2004??? (not to mention SCOTUS/2000 decision!).

To anyone who has closely followed the final election tallies since 2004, and believes they were rigged and clearly understands how it was done - and how they got away with it - the nuts and bolts of EVERY RIGGED ELECTION SINCE makes total sense. Because these elections were never investigated, the Republicans not only continued their methods of cheating, but while nobody was looking, were able to perfect their methods. So this means, (if you can follow my logic):

2008: Repugs tried to cheat, but the overwhelming support for Obama was able to overcome their rigged numbers. If hand recounts had been done, they would have revealed that Obama beat McCain by considerably more than reported.

2012: Repugs tried again, thought they had gauged the system, (google Fox/Karl Rove/Megyn Kelly 2012 shock reaction), but Obama support was again overwhelming enough to win, (though by less this time).

2016: Hillary Clinton not only won the electoral college, but she won comfortably. IF not for the less than 800 thousand votes spread across the three swing states that gave Trump the very narrow Electoral victory. A victory that was actually won by less than .5% - NOT reflected in the final Electoral Votes count: Trump: 307, Clinton: 231. This shows Trump beat Clinton by 76 points - which seems like what Trump called "a landslide victory", but because of the "winner take all" nature of our Electoral College system, was really "won" by, again, a very slim margin of less than 5%.

They were also able to toss Clinton ballots to Jill Stein accounting for Trump's less than .5% "win", (or 1/2 point), in Wisconsin and possibly other swing states.

Hand recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania would have revealed this.

2020: Covid caused us to overwhelmingly use early mail-in voting. The machines were rigged, and ready to go, but the cheating Repugs failed to take mail-in ballots into consideration. Explaining Trump's freak-out pre-election. Thus:

Biden didn't win by 7 million, he won by at least 10 million, maybe 12. Recounts in at least 3 swing states would have revealed this. That minority of us following these numbers kept hearing Dems yell "see - free and fair!" knowing it wasn't!, but were still not being listened to because the final results were in Dems favor. We were concerned that not being checked, they would continue their methods and figure out how to infect the popular vote as well.

The 2020 Arizona recount was deflection. Arizona was mostly serviced by Dominion machines, an honest company. Had they investigated swing counties serviced by Republican-owned ES&S machines, they would have found shitloads of irregularities; votes switched from Biden to Trump affecting the final tallies.

2024: Our greatest fears were realized! They were able to infect the popular vote.

*If correct, this also explains lots of down-ballot victories: how Ted Cruz was able to "beat" Beto in 2018 and Colin Allred in 2024. Final Polls predictions, the days before each election, showed victories for both Democratic candidates. Beto by a slim margin in 2018, Allred by a bigger one in 2024. The final result was off the charts:

Also possibly true for DeSantis, Rick Scott and Little Marco in Florida, (second to Texas in corruption), and even Turtle-face in Kentucky, who I suspect hasn't legitimately won a Kentucky election in at least 18 years!

R240, I agree with it all! I think the Dems are either in Denial, working with them, or maybe it’s a little of both? How do YOU explain the Dems refusing to audit this vote? I heard that this was purposely rigged to ensure the margin was big enough that she couldn’t even legally challenge it and request a recount. It’s been happening since Bush Gore.

R212 If Kamala wasn't your first choice, who was?

I don’t know anymore r242. Impossible to speculate. I voted against Fascism. And I lost. Dems held no primary, it was her or nothing. Everyone running our Fed now works for Putin. Why didn’t we ever hear who paid off Kavanaugh’s debts, hmm? I *promise* it’s tied to Putin. We fucked.

Also, way too depressing to talk about what could have been. We are done now. We won’t need to vote ever again — that was not a joke.

OP Danger and chaos unless someone grows a pair and does something.

R239, some of things written here will definitely happen, or there will be a big push for it to happen, so I guess my VERY big objection is that contrary to the original narrative introduced to us via this thread, is that NO, we are not moving into a dystopian society at warp speed, however, we are pretty much betting the farm that we can successfully drive another sovereign nation to the brink of doing precisely that.

Look, much of this was going to happen and must happen for the purpose of our national security. And no, I’m not a war-hawk. Kamala or DJT, when it comes to down to it? Both would have/are doing the same thing, except that with Trump, we have to needlessly go through the fucking wringer due to the wishes and wants of his “Christian” billionaire donors. That means that we have to be exposed to all of the bullshit that comes with these lunatic assholes, whose goal is to wrest control & civil liberties out of the hands of Americans via their Christianity & conservative values. Religion is the kool-aide for the masses, and the biggest threat we face in the United States is believing that religion is paramount to education. We have been dumbed down to the point where we cannot make sense of much, anymore, and it’s obviously intentional, as the intent of religion is to do away with individualism and free thinking. This is why we must focus on our civil rights, as well as the civil rights of undocumented immigrants, because make no mistake, when they are on American soil, they too, have the EXACT, SAME civil rights you and I have. We must never lose sight of the fact that if we allow ourselves to become hardened against these people, then we should not complain if and when it’s our turn in the barrel. When their civil rights are violated, so are our civil rights violated.

We are going to go through some drastic changes in this country, absolutely, but an “Escape from New York” scenario isn’t here, at least not yet.

The best and most realistic approach and response to all of this is to become politically engaged and active. Know your rights, and use them in manners such as peaceful protests, for starters. This is NOT the end and we must remember this. This narrative of surrendering to Christian lunatics or Russia, fleeing from OUR own country is not the way it works in the United States, R239.

We stay here and resist. There’s really no other way.

Question for anyone here. Serious question.

Who is Teacake? I've seen various posts on various threads for months now, often ending in bitchfights accusing this Teacake of stirring shit.

(Honestly, even if he's an evil POS, he kind of sounds brilliant, at least in some threads credited to him, but not all).

How many years as he been on these threads? Is he really black? I'm partially ignorant on how to navigate these threads. I can't necessarily tell what user is specifically posting based on blocked replies like a lot of the rest of you can. I choose to not bother myself trying to figure it out, (an area in which I'm neurologically challenged!). . I'd rather just read the information posted on these threads and decide on my own how plausible and relevant it all is.

Thank you!

[["[R240], I agree with it all! I think the Dems are either in Denial, working with them, or maybe it’s a little of both? How do YOU explain the Dems refusing to audit this vote? "]]

I'm cutting and pasting this from an interview with Robert Lindsay discussing Gregory Geisler (google both):

["He tried to show people in the media and Democratic Party evidence of the fraud, and they refused to listen to him and said it’s all a conspiracy theory. This is the result I got too.

The Democratic Party won’t even look into this issue because it would undermine faith in our elections process. Here is their insane logic:

*Elections are being stolen by Republicans via voting machines.

*Say we discover and prove that Republicans have been stealing elections for 22 years (our system is already undermined).

*This causes people to lose faith in the elections process.

Republicans keep stealing elections forever.

That’s real stupid! But this is the Democratic Party’s line, incredibly enough. Obviously the party is willing to consign itself to losing elections forever. These people are insane.

Or we investigate it, discover the fraud, deal with the loss of faith (which was already gone anyway with the election fraud), put the system back right, and Democrats can start winning elections again."]

^^That is supposed to be for OP/R241

I wish I was born with a better functioning brain.

Also OP/R241 [["I heard that this was purposely rigged to ensure the margin was big enough that she couldn’t even legally challenge it and request a recount. It’s been happening since Bush Gore."]]

YES - and they got away with it in Texas, (as well as a few other states): The day before the election, Polls showed Collin Allred beating Ted Cruz by almost 2points!

Final tallies: Cruz won by 10 points! (not even close). Allred threw up his hands in exasperation! No chance of recount.

And people say, "You can't believe Polls anymore. They're getting worse and worse!"

Or, MAYBE, they are as accurate now as they have ever been!,

but the margins of error sliding didn't start until around 2000, when voting machines implemented in states began to outnumber hand-count only states. Now the prediction polls (as well as exit polls) are off the fucking charts!

If you go back years comparing state by state by year by year, using this as a consideration, the discrepancies in the math start making a lot more sense!!

Previous to 2020, when only hand-counts existed, the polls were never off by more than 3%. And the margins were always divided equally between Republicans AND Democrats.

Since 2000, progressively, the 3% margin has increased - AND ALWAYS FAVORING REPUBLICANS!

I'll search for the link to validate these claims.

^^sorry for typo: previous to 2000 - NOT 2020.

the only way Trump can take over is if he starts taking guns away from citizens and that won't go well as tons of people are armed to the teeth.

R250 here.

It is somewhere in this interview with Robert Lindsay where he compares polls for each presidential election year by year and answers questions.

I'm sorry if it's paywalled. It wasn't last week when I first read it, (perhaps I saw it on some other site). Also google Stephen Spoonamore and Greg Geisler. Also the book, Code Red by Jonathan D. Simon.

I believe in this article below, Lindsay is quoting Simon when discussing the voting machines' irregularities - Simon being the original source.

I know this is a lot of crazy searching but the information is out there!

Link to Code Red.

We read the Project 2025 manifesto. We already know what they will do.

Has the OP left the country yet? Or are they still going on and on and on and in?

I happen to believe OP. So, I'm hoping both!

It’s so sad to see people here who claim to be American, falling for false information and biased narratives that are not verifiable or factual.

I guess this is how the trolls demoralize Americans.

I don’t know what country people who believe OP are living in, but I am living in the United States of America, and I’ll be damned if some troll tells me all about my future and how the rest of my life will play out.

Y’all go play your end of the world games, while others who understand that we live in a democracy get ready for 2026, and 2028.

The OP and her sock puppets WANT everyone to just give up, to give in to Trump and his New World Order.

It's pathetic that weak DL-ers fall for this psyop.

No one told anyone to give up. But we are now in Germany say 1935. The Jews didn’t give up then either, just look at Valkyrie.

But facing reality is not a bad thing. It’s what you do with it that matters. Everyone will make different choices now that Democracy has fallen. And if you think it hasn’t, what exactly does it take to wake you up? How much worse? It’s fallen. And it will take a miracle to get it back from them. Hiss all you want. I’ll just keep saying Germany 1935. And FYI, this is how the entire westernized world sees the US — are they sock puppets too? Just trolling Americans for doom? Or are they terrified that this is coming for their countries too and they are disgusted that we failed to stop it? Denial denial denial.

Should you fight it? YES! But we will all fight in our own ways, won’t we? Depending on how much we have to lose.

Welp, R260, then if this is the case, we or our democracy fell LONG before this recent election.

9/11 with it stripping private citizens of their privacy, along with the internet, or;

Making corporations people, or;

Super-PACs, or;

All of the above.

OP never said to fight. OP said to "RUN!" to another country. SheFake was stoking the DL fantasies that other countries will open their borders to all fleeing Trump's dystopian USA.

"She" and several other posters/sock puppets even give instructions on how to apply to move to another country.

NO, lying OP at r260 is NOT urging anyone to "Fight!" only to give the country to Trump without a fight.

You're falling for it, DL.

R262 If you can, please enlighten me. I asked this question upthread but no response. I'll ask again in revised form:

Who is SheFake? I've constantly seen the mentions of this character (with different spellings). but don't know the history. Thanks.

r263

R262, there are some people who are more vulnerable than others. Don’t judge them for wanting to leave, and I’m sure they’ll not judge you for staying. I am very very curious about those who may flee, but I will likely not be able to flee, however I won’t stop learning about it just because you don’t want to hear it.

Since you’re so interested in fighting and seem to have all the answers, why don’t you edumacate our asses and tell us the best strategy to fight? No bullshit. I welcome it.

One observation I’ve made. The more educated and affluent content-makers are, the more they tell people to fight (I’m referring to X, not here). I wonder if that’s true here too, no idea. But most of the content-makers on X have the least to lose. Like I’m watching people on X who have multiple homes on several continents and “more $ than their great grandchildren could spend” telling the peasants how to fight. But we’re the ones with the most to lose and most at-risk. They are coming for all our women too, which is hardcore for activists. So please enlighten us r262. No snark. But if someone wants to leave, respect their choice just like they should respect yours. Things look grim. We won’t know for 70 days what’s going to happen.

R263, SheFake is supposedly an alter-ego of Teacake who is indeed the biggest troll to ever roam this place. Teacake sucks. OP is not Teacake.

We can all agree — what coming next “no bueno.” It can’t be. They’re openly declaring they intend to destroy the economy. All their terror is to distract from the real crimes. They’ll raid the coffers.

[quote] I am living in the United States of America, and I’ll be damned if some troll tells me all about my future and how the rest of my life will play out.

Correction: you WERE living in the United States of America.

Now you are living in the MAGA Theocracy.

As for "letting" someone else tell you about your future and how the rest of your life will play out?

Sometimes, you have no control over that.

As you shall soon see when the MAGATS take over this country.

We will be living in an autocracy, under the dictatorship of a mentally ill narcissist and his christofacist minions, who are all controlled by the 1% Oligarchs.

You really have no idea how fucked we all are, now that Donald Trump voters handed over power to him and his evil cohorts.

R265 r266 r267 r268

"How to survive the broligarchy: 20 lessons for the post-truth world" includes these nuggets of wisdom:

Journalists are first, but everyone else is next. Trump has announced multibillion-dollar lawsuits against “the enemy camp”: newspapers and publishers. His proposed FBI director is on record as wanting to prosecute certain journalists. Journalists, publishers, writers, academics are always in the first wave. Doctors, teachers, accountants will be next. Authoritarianism is as predictable as a Swiss train. It’s already later than you think.

Protect your private life. The broligarchy doesn’t want you to have one. Read Shoshana Zuboff’s The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: they need to know exactly who you are to sell you more shit. We’re now beyond that. Surveillance Authoritarianism is next. Watch The Lives of Others, the beautifully told film about surveillance in 80s east Berlin. Act as if you are now living in East Germany and Meta/Facebook/Instagram/WhatsApp is the Stasi. It is.

Sarah Kendzior answers a lot of great questions in her Q&A Substack. Published this morning. Here's an excerpt:

Joanne: I find it difficult to believe that Trump won the popular vote, the presidency, the House and the Senate. I knew he could win but by this much? It seems to me that with the support of tech bros (not naming anyone) some tampering would be easy. Why do you think Dems are not looking into this? Ronna: Do you think the election results were accurate? How likely is it that Musk/ Starlink manipulated the results? Sabrina: Why do you think Harris is not asking for a recount?

SK: This is a very popular question. Others mentioned Thiel and Russia as possible culprits. The crucial thing is that we lack the mechanisms to find out if the vote was legitimate. The Biden administration did not protect voting rights and left participants in Trump’s attempted coup — Louis DeJoy, Christopher Wray, etc — in power, with the result that every election outcome is now in doubt. That administration would not even punish sedition: they are not going to do a vote audit. Harris is likely not asking for a recount is because she knows she’ll never get one.

They also never investigated foreign tampering in the 2016 election, even though Michael Cohen and Felix Sater admitted in emails to working with Putin to install Trump, and even though Harry Reid repeatedly asked the FBI to investigate Russia’s intent to falsify election results — and he did so months before HRC lost. Those cases —and Trump’s long history of dirty deals with the Russian mafia — are worth examining. Instead, Democrats focused on trivial matters like bot farms, leading to widespread dismissal of a serious inquiry.

It is possible that the election results are inaccurate. It’s also possible that Trump and the GOP won. I don’t know. I’m more dismayed that a system to ensure election integrity was never created when they had years to build one. It’s also important to recognize that for many Americans, the past four years were terrible. Some things were not Biden’s fault: he did not create covid or cause inflation. But he lied that covid was over, he showed little empathy over inflation, and he broke nearly all of his campaign promises. Americans were rightfully angry. Biden’s approval rating was abysmal, and Harris never separated herself from him, which led voters to reject them both.

her great answer to this question the main question ——I have no fucking idea.

At least she is honest.

[quote] "How to survive the broligarchy: 20 lessons for the post-truth world" includes these nuggets of wisdom:

It's like the OP said.

Clear you entire online history, delete any trace of yourself from social media, and see if you can move to a quiet place in Europe.

R271, thank you for posting her!!! I have never read her articles though I was aware of her (vaguely). I’m going to read her books now, they will scare me even more, but I can’t pretend it’s not happening either.

I am sure it will go down as she’s saying, the first targets will be journalists, maybe political enemies. Then doctors, teachers, academics. I don’t think they’ll try to probe into our past postings too much because half the country has a thousand texts/posts, saying how much they hate Dump. But once he’s inaugurated? I wouldn’t put anything you feel in writing anywhere, including here. And I wouldn’t say it on a phone call either (remember, they’re listening 24/7!). I already had my spouse download Signal, and I’m about to delete WhatsApp. She says in that article above that we should consider Meta/Insta/WhatsApp like the Stasi.

Reading her thoughts on the Dems about broke my heart. I never trusted them fully….but she is opening my eyes even more. Clear your posting history kids, better safe than sorry. I’m no threat to anyone….but Fascists don’t play by things like rules or laws.

Oh! And for those who continue to be in denial, recording here that today he confirmed that mass deportation will be carried out using military and special ops, and he will declare a national emergency. A Dem Hispanic Caucus leader from CA said they will fight it, and Tom Homan says, “Game On.” I think they may try to use CA or IL as an example of what will happen to blue states who resist. Maybe NY too. He also said we don’t need to worry about child separation because they’re just going to deport the entire family together, regardless of each individual citizenship status.

R274 I have been following Sarah since I saw her on Joy Reid in 2016. I remember the great panel: Joy, Sarah, Elie Mystal, and Malcolm Nance. Maybe early 2017. People were starting to freak out more about Trump and his Putin ties. All the information that's common knowledge now was foretold by Malcom and Sarah. They stuff they were saying wasn't spoked about by MSM until many months later, not even MSBC week nights would risk airing certain weekend segments.

Anyway, I affectionately call Sarah my Duchess of Doom. She. Got. Everything. Right. Even calling Joe Biden "The Placeholder President".

^^sorry for the typos.

R275, yes, I used to watch a shit ton of MSNBC and recognized her from there — can’t believe I didn’t have her front and center because Malcolm Nance is someone I’ve followed since back then too, I even have one of his books. Malcolm is saying to not leave X — but I am afraid. How does he know if it’s safe? My friend whose parents had to flee Latvia from the Russians told me that her parents learn that the only ones who survive go silent. You become invisible, and even then, survival is luck. I want to fight, of course! But I’m trying to assess how safe we really are. I don’t want to live in fear, it’s hard to know what to feel or think. And as you’re seeing, most Americans are denying this is happening, so I feel gaslit too.

And YES on Sarah and Biden, holy shite!!!!!!!! They all betrayed us. All of them. Is Sarah saying that the Dems are in with Russia too? I need to reread it and get her books….I’m very curious on your opinion about the Dems and their role in all of this.

I think Dems were just too fucking complacent thinking that the traitor would be done in by the courts or stupid people wouldn’t be stupid twice.

The dumb fuckers in this country are goddamned dumb asses. Fucking retarded. I only hope they get hurt so badly that it leaves a nice, deep scar.

Because they deserve nothing less than the abject misery they have voted for.

R277 She DOES answer your question somewhere in that Q&A, somewhat at least. Better than I could articulate if for you.

I haven't done enough of my own research in that regard you. Anything you find, please leave it here....Though I'm thinkin' this thread might not be here much longer I also hang on the Treason threads.

LMFAO, yes, I’ve resisted the urge to say this thread is on borrowed time. It’s ok, it was my attempt to warn people. Facts still matter, truth matters. Everyone failed us, everyone. But you know what? We’ve got each other. And our word can mean something again. And we can support each other through this, everyone will do it little differently.

Remember the Women's March, the weekend right after election day in 2016...then all the other oppressed minority groups joined in, each with their own separate issues, (all valid). Problem was: it was just too many voices demanding different shit. So not much ended up being accomplished, accept a couple million felt better for a couple weeks.

Had they all pooled their resources into one strong message; GET RID OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, it would have covered all the bases. Now, of course, too much time has passed, and even the electoral college doesn't matter any more.

But, there are so much more of us now. A peaceful protest asap could be formed, but instead of some dumb shit like DeFund the Police, which nobody understood the proper message, or Black Lives Matter, where the racists didn't understand the emphasis word was Matter, not Black (as in Black Lives MATTER) - they retorted "but all lives matter".

Here's a simple two word MESSAGE that covers all of us (blacks, women, gays, trans, muslims, immigrants....)

How 'bout. PROTECT US...(while there's still time). Our government did NOT keep the most important promise they made....they still can.

A bunch of us have to have huge marches across the country PROTECT US. (or if we have to protect ourselves, it ain't gonna be pretty).

I'm just thinkin' off the top of my head, but that's not such a bad idea, is it???

I don’t know that it’s safe yet r281. But I love the idea for sure. He did just announce today he’s going to declare a national emergency and use the military on us, so I am trying to assess. Do you have concerns protesters could be shot at or labeled enemies of the state? Yes, I’m hyper-vigilant. I’ve seen too much in my life. I trust none of them.

We would have to do it soon, like next weekend!! The message is for the democrats in the white house NOW.

PROTECT US - as in arrest the motherfucker while you still can. Do everything possible to STOP the transfer of power. Think of what they're doing on January 6? They're like - here are the guys - go ahead - maim and torture. We voted and lost so we have it coming,'

IT IS FUCKING INSANE !!!!! They're worried about Tulsi Gabbard selling secrets to Putin?? What fucking secrets are left??? Trump already sold them all!!!! OF COURSE, Trump is gonna make a fellow rapist his AG.... what do they expect? It can't be Hannibal Lector because he's FICTIONAL!!

I'm sorry I'm having a breakdown, but I'M HAVING A FUCKING BREAKDOWN!!!

I have inside info from a bro that works in big pharma but is actually undercover for a secret organization I should not even mention. Forget I said that.

He or she or they claim the trump,people are now watching this thread because of all the true insider scoop being released, The people are not supposed to hear this.

Be careful and have your go bag ready.

HILARIOUS r285. Truly. It’s all over the web literally everywhere. And this thread doesn’t even post the actual receipts. Are you friend of foe r285? Hmmm? State your purpose. There’s been at most ten people posting here, you quack. The people they’re watching are called *journalists*. They’ll go after them, academics, and political enemies first. Then comes accountants, teachers, etc. We are quite low on their list — for now.

Whose side are you on r285? I’m just an American on the dude of America. I support neither party. I’m no threat. Whose side are you actually on?

Is it safe, r285?

R286 I am on the side of good mental health. And I am worried. I will send you a pm.

R285 is an epic troll.

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OMG you freaks. None of us should be freaking out. Everything is going just *swimmingly* in the US, and Ukraine, and Gaza.

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For anyone here interested, Sarah Kendzior just posted an interview...

Sarah Kendzior discusses her views on the outcome of the 2024 election, with a focus on Biden Attorney General Merrick Garland and the DOJ’s 2 1/2 year delay to prosecute Trump for his coup attempt – – allowing him to run and win back the presidency, as well as advice on how to maintain your sanity during the very dark and dangerous four years of the Trump regime ahead.

Well, this thread has gone completely off the rails.

It’s ok r299. It served its purpose. We are living through a shitstorm,

This is fun...

Didn’t Sarah Kendzior go bonkers?

What does that say, r301? I just get a blank screen

R303 Sorry, trying again

And no proof, r304.

'Musk is guilty as fuck'

Cyber-security experts across America are raising the alarm of wide-scale election fraud securing Trump’s victory — and the data is compelling.

Two open letters penned by computer scientists and hacking experts have detailed how the USA’s election software was compromised and the relatively simple hack which could have then been used to fix the results in the seven swing states. They are calling for an immediate hand recount in key precincts which, they say, should swiftly show that a number of these ballots never existed.

There are already numerous articles online stating that this is a left wing conspiracy, and Elon Musk himself has warned that those raising concerns about the “hoax” will face “the hammer of justice”. However, the articles debunking these concerns have only focused on the claim that Musk used his internet service Starlink to steal the election. As detailed below, this is not what the cyber security experts are warning of — although Starlink may have played a role.

I say this with respect, but be careful about this Starlink thing. Russia could have started this rumor to simply deflect from the bomb threats — I know this because I’ve fallen for their shit before myself. I think a better strategy is to demand POTUS retaliate for the Russian bomb threats! In ‘16, Obama threw out all Ruskies. ‘24? Biden does NOTHING?!? And they’re still tallying how many bomb threats we saw.

Yeah, this bomb threats were specifically timed, r307.

It forced a reboot of the system and discouraged people from voting.

I’m more inclined to discount the Starlink thing, simply because the vote scanners are NOT connected to the internet. I don’t think they ever DO connect to the internet.

When I worked the polls, there is simply no port or drive access to connect the thing to a thumb drive or to the internet that I could see.

R308 The scanners DO hook up to the internet. This election was definitely fucked like never before!! It's so fucking obvious.

How come DL knows the election was stolen and exactly how but the entire WH staff does not? If true why have the Dems not acted? They now control the govt and the military. Arrest the fuckers if this is true.

Otherwise we sound like maga and trump going on and on and on about how they won but it was all taken from them illegally.

You think Harris and biden are too dumb to know? But DL is on it?

In case she's reading, OP - are you still around? I've got a question.

Stephen Spoonamore answers questions on Reddit

[quote]journalists, publishers, writers, academics are always in the first wave. Doctors, teachers, accountants will be next.

Why would doctors and accountants be among the first?

Ukraine is the breadbasket of the world, producing enough food to feed 400 million people. Trump will hand Ukraine to Putin, and Trump's trade war w/Mexico and Canada could conceivably make us dependent on Putin-controlled Ukraine food production. Especially after he deports migrant ag workers

R314 usually doctors are synonymous with women’s health or reproductive rights. Abortion and medical care. They are always purged in these types of regimes

R302 = Andrea Chalupa

The Nazis did not go after the doctors unless they were pervs or Jews. And look what happened to Hitler. I had a much better plan.

[quote]and I witnessed the OG poo shoes thread in real time.

I remember that too R204. It was insanity but you couldn't look away.

Yes, r319!!!!!! She was truly the most insane poster ever to visit here, and that is really saying something!! It’s part of how I fell in love with it here too LMFAO.

n 1958, Robert Welch started “anti-communist” fascist cult John Birch Society with 11 people. One of them was Charles Koch, who founded Koch Industries which now controls Joe Manchin.

Fred Trump was friends with Welch & secretly funded JBS. The old white boys club is deep.

Any updates, op?

Only about one month to go, before Trump takes power.

OP claimed she was dying in one of her original posts. At this point, she might no longer be with us.