Democrat's 2028 Presidential Nominee

Jesus Christ not Baruch Obama. I get so embarrassed watching him speak.

Far too soon to say. If Israel worsens, Shapiro may be too radioactive. But he’s great.

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I can't stand Newsome. But since the US loves populists so much, he would be perfect. Personally, I'd prefer Buttigieg. For best outcome / chance to win: Shapiro maybe?

This "election" has really soured me on the whole thing. It's a no for me. I'm out.

Not a California liberal please. We just tried that.

As long as it's not a Female!!

I'm sorry but it will not happen in my lifetime, I believe that to be true, finally.

I'm not voting ever again after this shit. Let Trump and MAGA wreck it all. I don't care anymore.

Anyone from DEM can win the election in 2028. The economy will be even worse after Trump's 4 years. We all know GOP sucks on economy.

There won't be an election, silly!

On the optics level, I voted Beshear, because he's governed a redneck state as a Democrat. He can manage the center. Shapiro is a close second, it would seem. He's at least building a track record. Pete has no meaningful track record. Newsom is an attack ad's dream. Whitmer seems to be like Beshear - doing the impossible. I'm a little bit reluctant about women after Clinton and Harris but not much. In fairness, neither of them came to the contest unfettered. Pritzker, maybe. Got a track record. Maybe he's got that big Mack Daddy energy that could move people. Moore I don't know much about but he seems a bit slick. Klobuchar and Cooper I think are better left in the spaces for party elders.

But in the end all I care about is someone who can effectively a specific platform with good ideas that people will vote for and won't drag out Oprah Winfrey and her ilk again.

It seems to me most of the people on the list are capable of that to one degree or another within the scope of their own talents. I just want somebody who isn't afraid to say this is what I will do, plainly.

I’ll vote for and donate to Newsom. Anybody else, I’ll just vote for them.

But if it’s a woman, a gay man, or a man with a Jewish name, we’ll lose. It’s a numbers game and the bigots outnumber any other voting bloc.

We have to stop running candidates who seem like they’ll usher in the world we want to live in. In the real world the other side hates that dream and they close ranks far better than Democrats do. If we can’t find a moderate straight white guy who seems strong and sane, we’ll go down again.

Good reply R11.

Buttigieg should run for governor of Michigan. If he were to win, he could build a track record.

He should not be the nominee in 2028. If America won't elect a woman, it's not going to elect a gay man despite his talents.

[quote]Anyone from DEM can win the election in 2028.

I agree, Shitler is going to so decimate the economy and world affairs that we could put up a rock and it would win, but not if it has a vagina. Not trying to be flip; just speaking plain, cold truth.

This country will not elect a woman to the presidency in the lifetime of anyone reading this post.

It's this simple, and easy to remember: when we nominate a woman at the top of the ticket, we lose.

R12, why Newsom? I am trying to understand why DL seems so enthusiastic about him. He seems like a recipe for failure to me, based on his state and his lifetime of doing little but politics.

R14, I agree 100%. Unfortunately, because he is a gay man, Pete has to do more and better than a straight man. He's in the same boat as a woman candidate. It sucks, but it's reality.

"This "election" has really soured me on the whole thing. It's a no for me. I'm out."

"I'm not voting ever again after this shit. Let Trump and MAGA wreck it all. I don't care anymore."

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

I wish I could say my Whitmer but I’m really worried about a woman not being electable after Tuesday. Beshear was my VP pick before Walz.

[quote] why Newsom? I am trying to understand why DL seems so enthusiastic about him.

I don't like Newsom at all. He is the worst one on that list. Slick, stands for nothing and has a terrible track record. People on here are enthusiastic about him because he's a handsome white man. That's all.

Beshear as the nominee and Whitmer as the VP running mate

I recently turned 35 and I see DL didn't include me in the poll.

[quote]why Newsom?

He was among the first politicians who granted same sex marriage rights, and he's been an ally his entire career. He'd make a fantastic POTUS; he's led the largest state well, has the skills and background, and certainly has the bonafides; he's Nancy Pelosi's grand-nephew (iirc). And yes, I know, all of these things are also reasons why he'd have a difficult time.

The next Democratic presidential candidate will be the whitest white man who ever whited.

R18, if people are rotten, I'm not going to help them. Tell me why I should vote when it means nothing?

Whitmer is term-limited in 2026. I’m sure Pete is going to run to replace her, but then he really shouldn’t run for President immediately.

Newsom would be a horrible president. He has no substance. No one votes on issues like same sex marriage. His track record in California is terrible.

I don't think Pete would win a gubernatorial race in Michigan. There is still homophobia in some parts of that state.

But, I'm surprised that the Michigan homophobe Republicans don't trash Gretchen Whitmer's lesbian daughter on social media. The daughter is pretty much left alone.

[quote] Nancy Pelosi's grand-nephew (iirc).

His aunt was married to Pelosi’s husband’s brother. They not related by blood.

[quote] Anyone from DEM can win the election in 2028

The only ones who have a chance are moderate straight white males.

R30 I also add moderate straight white males who are Christian.

Anti-semitism and Christian Nationalism are rampant in this country and there's no way Shapiro or Pritzker would be elected.

"Tell me why I should vote when it means nothing?"

Drop the histrionics and faux drama and find out.

[quote]I’ll vote for and donate to Newsom. Anybody else, I’ll just vote for them.

[quote]If we can’t find a moderate straight white guy who seems strong and sane, we’ll go down again.

Newsom would be a disaster. He is not a moderate and in fact, he went farther to the left than even Kamala did on crime, immigration, the gender insanity, and everything else over the last 4 years. On top of that, he comes off as slick and insincere, because he is. California is unaffordable, our cities have entire neighborhoods that look like the third world, and we have a massive budget deficit, but Gavin’s priorities are raising gas prices even more and banning plastic bags in grocery stores. He will never be president.

Could Ruben Gallego have a chance? He's a moderate and served in the military.

R34, he was just elected to the Senate, although the same could be said of one Barack Obama when he ran for President.

Dems need a straight, white Southerner governor. Beshear it is.

Obama was a moment in time. One of those rare candidates. Alchemy.

[quote]I can't stand Newsome.

You can't spell it either.

[quote]I agree 100%. Unfortunately, because he is a gay man, Pete has to do more and better than a straight man. He's in the same boat as a woman candidate. It sucks, but it's reality.

Another gay male politician who I think would be a terrific POTUS is Jared Polis. I agree, a gay man or woman will never be elected president.

I have wondered if a white woman with military experience could win as a Democrat.

It'll be VANCE.

Beshear needs to get out and start doing interviews, podcasts, etc on the way forward for the Democratic party. Newsom is certainly going to do it, I bet Shapiro does too.

I wish there more centrist Dem YouTubers and podcasters. Tired of people like Brian Tyler Cohen and MeidasTouch guys.

Waste of time.Elections are over forever in U.S. Trump will assign official positions in each state. MAGA members already sending suck-up letters to get good positions-So predictable.

Oh they're just having momentary tantrums R18. When the dust settles they'll calm down and be fine. Everyone is just yelling and stamping their feet at the moment.

I don't understand anyone who voted Buttigieg. As great as he is - there is no possibility whatsoever of America electing a gay president. Zero chance. Maybe in 50 - 100 years. It's got to be one of the most unrealistic things I see regularly popping up on DL. Some of you must live in total fantasy land.

I agree, as competent as he is

No blacks, no fats, no femmes.

All of them DOA. Next.

[quote] Dems need a straight, white Southerner governor. Beshear it is.

Sorry but Beshear and all Democratic males right now scream beta cuck to the public.

Be strategic. There are more women than men. It took Trump just four years to get Biden -- serviceable but no one's "choice" -- more than 80 million votes. This next 4 years will be very rough, it will be retrograde misogyny, racism, homophobia and xenophobia. By 2028, the majority of female voters will be ready for a female President. Four years from now is not today, the mood will shift DRAMATICALLY before the next election.

[quote]By 2028, the majority of female voters will be ready for a female President.

Clueless garbage R50. The first female president will be Republican and it won't be any time soon.

The only way the US will ever elect a gay person or a woman as president is if a good amount of the population becomes less religious and conservative Christian communities dwindle down a bit. Many conservative Christians both men and women don't like the idea of a women being in high levels of political office.

[quote] The next Democratic presidential candidate will be the whitest white man who ever whited.

That would be a mistake. The non-whites who voted for Trump don't look at him as just "white," he is a celebrity who is coarse, brash, thuggish, rich and always gets his way. He has appeal beyond his message, and certainly, beyond his race. However, he always fails to measure up to the task. We must let him fail and select the candidate who is best able to take advantage of his failures.

need to look for a moderate like Bill Clinton was...

Are there any white Dem congressmen or senators that are Bill Clinton types?

Shapiro is so fucking sexy with his Obama voice.

someone from the south

"The only way the US will ever elect a gay person or a woman as president is if a good amount of the population becomes less religious and conservative Christian communities dwindle down a bit."

The vast majority of Americans do NOT attend church services regularly, if ever.

Americans pay lip service to religion, and that's all. Americans religious piety is every bit as fake as their and Donald Trump's "patriotism."

If Americans were truly religious, they would never let a lying, thieving, pussy grabbing, con artist/grifter/sexual pervert like Trump anywhere near The Oval Office. But they did, not once, but two fucking times.

R57 Wrong. I think we have entered a new age of politics. Get someone REAL. Someone who will talk that shit, rile up the base, whoever it is. I don’t know why Harris/Walz stop with the— “they’re weird” attacks. That shit was working.

Neither Whitmer or Beshears is ready. Trust me on this. I know Michigan. Pete is brilliant but he unelectable.

Shapiro with Wes Moore as the VP

Cooper would win the DL vote in a landslide!

Jon Ossoff as a VP candidate.

R61 They should run Whitmer. She is hot hot. Kamala is hot but aging.

Whitmer is now letting her hair go grey and she messed up her face with too much botox and other cosmetic procedures. She looks like an aging sociopathic serial killer that you see in a horror movie.

Ossoff has to get reelected in 2026 first.

FFS! NO WOMEN NO JEWS NO GAYS NO BLACKS

Shapiro/Wes Moore would actually be a winning combo. They both are charming. And Wes Moore is actually a brotha from a working class background and military.

Newsom is a sex scandal waiting to happen and he’s done nothing to fix the homeless situation in his own state.

R69 Newsom is simply unelectable because he is the governor of California. It’s a sad truth. They would be too much baggage.

NO ONE FROM THE COASTS!

It will be a clown nominee there to offer Washington Generals opposition, selected by the MAGA leadership.

Odds favor Kim Kardashian. Russia did something similar with Ksenia Sobchak.

A Shapiro/Beshear ticket, in either configuration, would be formidable. I think Wes Moore and Ruben Gallego are also potential VP candidates. Dems will be wary of putting any woman on the ticket, which eliminates Whitmer and Klobuchar. Pete won't even be in consideration in 2028. He needs to run for statewide office in MI.

Shapiro is all but certain to be the nominee. He's relatively young and the governor of the swingiest and bluest of the blue wall states. He's a moderate democrat respected by both democrats and republicans in Pennsylvania. The party just has to move on from identity politics and forget that he's a Jew.

The question is who will be his running mate and Beshear does seem to be the most likely: popular moderate governor elected twice in a deep red state. The vp pick won't be Whitmer because she doesn't expand the electoral map and the electoral college makes it almost impossible for democrats to win.

R70: Nobody really likes Newsom and he's way too progressive.

None of these people stand a chance because the second Trump term will likely be quite successful and that will tremendously help Vance or whoever the GOP nominee is.

Plus he's Nancy's creature and there may be Nancy fatigue in the party. God knows if the old crone can still form a sentence by the 2026 primary season she'll be out there running her mouth and giggling at her own jokes.

I want it to be Kamala with Ossoff as her running mate. Just kidding! That would be a great ticket but unelectable. I think the next Democratic nominee needs to be Latino. Yes. With a woman running mate. A white woman.

R78 Ritchie Torres for VP. Black and Latino. He’s gay but straight acting.

Will this person be running against Shady Vance?

An actual Blatino husbear? I thought that was like the unicorn.

[quote]The only ones who have a chance are moderate straight white males.

Unfortunately - and disturbingly - I don't think that cheeto's second term will be horrific enough that the extreme fringe of the dems would support a straight white male.

Even if they could be convinced, a more centrist policy on, well, everything would never fly with them or their supporters. When the inevitable splinter progressive party emerges, they'll pull support from any Dem candidate.

I guess we're seeing a partial fulfillment of Revelations with the rethugs getting a thousand year reign on earth...

R79 Ritchie Torres is a lot of wonderful things, but Presidential isn't one of them. I love Ritchie.

A ticket of Mark Cuban & Raphael Warnock.

He also has a twin brother so he can be two places at once.

I really think Andy Beshear would be the ultimate safe choice. He has been the governor of red Kentucky for a long while and is even respected by some of the deplorables.

Gavin is too risky, but I admire his ferocity.

We need someone bland, white, male and safe. Our country is still too dumb and bigoted. I like Andy and think he’d be amazing

R86 is envisioning a younger Joe Biden. No joke.

R86, not too bland. Personally I think we need a Bill Clinton. Only Mexican.

Please no women. At least not until most of the Angry Old White Men are dead.

Andrew Yang!!

Beshir/Shapiro & Liz Cheney

No more Gen X. That garbage generation doesn't deserve to be catered to. They are complete and utter political shitshow.

After this horrible election, I have a reviewed a few candidates in my mind. Right now, I think I'm going with Andy Beshear--a nice Southern white boy who is successful in the red state.

Being from California, I love Newsom. He's a great governor. He knows his stuff, but I'm afraid he may come across as a bit too slick. No Shapiro. The Jewish thing is not worth the risk. No to a woman candidate at the top of the ticket. I would love to have a female president, but again, not worth the risk in this country right now. No to Wes Moore. He appears to be an attractive candidate, but he's black. I don't think we can take the chance.

Lastly, no to Buttigieg. He's brilliant, and I would like to see him run. But I want to win, and Pete is gay. Not work the risk. I'm gay too, but Pete or any other gay person will get wiped out for now. Maybe another time.

Shapiro

Fun go fantasize. But if you are old enough, remember 2004. Bush had just decisively won a second term, after previously eking an iffy at best election against a candidate who won the popular vote.

Bush told the country he had won a mandate and intended to use his political capital. Democrats, stunned by open exposure of spying and torture and incompetence, prepared for an authoritarian rule supported by right-wing control of election machines.

An Illinois state senator gave a great speech that year, and got elected as Senators. But he was black and his middle name was Hussein.

It’s ok to fantasize, both negatively and positive. It’s also ok to admit we just don’t know how this turns out. Don’t believe anyone who says they do.

[quote] But if you are old enough, remember 2004. Bush had just decisively won a second term

How's that again?

R96: current popular vote is Trump 50.4 to Harris 48%. Your link shows Bush 50.7 to Kerry 48.3. I couldn’t make this up - it’s identical difference.

At any rate, he had both houses of Congress and 7 of the 9 justices had been appointed by Republicans.

Politico surveys the field.

[quote]. I think the next Democratic nominee needs to be Latino. Yes. With a woman running mate. A white woman.

Ah yes, more identity politics. It's worked so well....

What about Eric Swalwell?

A handsome straight white man.

Why every election do we have to hear from the lower classes that they feel 'forgotten'? That Washington isn't meeting their needs and doesn't care about The Common Man?

The factory jobs aren't coming back. Trump didn't bring any back, and they aren't coming.

You are the President of your own life. If you can't manage it- if you consistently make bad decisions- it's mostly your own fault.

The 2028 ticket should be John "Ogre" Fetterman with Haley "Creepy Dollface" Stevens as his running mate.

LET UGLY PEOPLE RUN THE COUNTRY

R95 I was a freshman in college when I watched that speech at College Dems gathering. I remember someone saying that "he should be POTUS someday. I had my doubts and I was always thought that US would be too racist to elect a black man. I was surprised in 2008. Now, I think it was a fluke.

[quote] What about Eric Swalwell?

He has the type of smugness that wouldn't win over middle America voters. If the Dems want to win in 2028, the candidate needs to be from the Midwest or Southern states.

Maybe, if Jasmine Crockett was Jamal or Justin Crockett we would have another Obama type candidate who could win over many groups in this country.

#SandersAOC2028

I'm calling it now.

R107 Yes that will happen hell freezes over.

[Quote]But if it’s a woman, a gay man, or a man with a Jewish name, we’ll lose.

Fuck YOU!

AOC will probably try to weasel her way into a presidential ticket as a VP. But, it won't happen because her soon to be former Fraud Squad pals probably have tons of receipts on her and I'm betting some moderate and liberal Dems in Congress have dirt on her as well. Paging Ritchie Torres.

[quote] Buttigieg should run for governor of Michigan.

From yesterday's Detroit Free Press:

[quote] Buttigieg reportedly scored well in a poll of potential gubernatorial candidates. According to a source who saw the results, Buttigieg topped the list with 29%, followed by [Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn] Benson at 19%, [Detroit Mayor Mike] Duggan at 9% and Lt. Gov. Garlin Gilchrist at 4%.

Michigan will probably flip back to Republican in 2026 when it comes to the governor's race.

Look, If anything the Republicans have taught us that you can run a piece of shit for office and win. So stop looking for a candidate and start thinking about how to win.

Once the ballots are all counted, Trump’s lead is going to be around 1.5 percent. It was not a decisive win.

[quote] Michigan will probably flip back to Republican in 2026 when it comes to the governor's race.

That may depend on the popularity of the Trump presidency. I think Buttigieg has an uphill battle. Mike Duggan is loved by Black voters in Detroit. Buttigieg is not.

I think it’s a mistake to count out Newsom. No, I don’t like him either. But it’s clearer than ever that a successful presidential campaign has so little to do with a candidate’s real experience, plans, or positions - and everything do with the public’s perceptions of the candidate.

A candidate wins the presidency not for being the best qualified, only for convincing most of the electorate s/he’s the best qualified.

Again, I’m not a fan of Newsom. He’s not even among my top ten choices. But I think he has the image, the marketability, the PR savvy, and the resources to wage a winning campaign. (Sad that those are the most important factors, but that is life in the idiocracy.)

Newsom is over. I don't think he is electable. Maybe as a BP only

Fetterman Pres, Ritchie Torres VP.... You get Pennsylvania, Hispanics, blacks and gay. Also obese people. Unbeatalbe.

The left needs to stop obsessing over identity whether it be a purposeful minority or a reactionary “playing it safe”due to this defeat. Nominate the best fucking candidate with good ideas that excites the base. Hell in this day and age, they might need to be a bit of demagogue. We are in a post multinational world. Even flyover cunts have accepted this as it pertains to charisma and like-ability in a job role. Trump has completely changed the game for electoral politics.

Remember back in 2016 when he kept winning all those primaries and the GOP got increasingly scared and the democrats increasingly excited. You see where I am going with this.

Newsome is a sleazeball. Isn’t California’s economy in the shitter now’? I don’t know, since I live on the East Coast. I think it has to be Andy Beshear - an “Aw Shucks” kind of guy. FFS, he is a two term Governor from a shithole Red State. Someone else mentioned what I’ve been saying….our first female POTUS will be a Republican, probably someone awful like Marsha Blackburn. I don’t think red state ‘murica is ready for a Jewish POTUS either, so that counts out Shapiro.

Yeah, forget about it, there won't be a female president anytime soon, much less a gay one... Not in my lifetime

[quote] I don’t think red state ‘murica is ready for a Jewish POTUS either, so that counts out Shapiro.

I agree. Also, DL fave Jon Ossoff would be out too.

Gavin Newsom is the hot choice.

He has wanted this moment for years, desperately.

But he will not win, too many skeletons in his closet.

I like Roy Cooper, but he's a bit too old.

He'd be 71 in '28, R124. After Biden & Trump, he'd look like a kid.

Martin Heinrich is POTUS material and is moderate. But, being from New Mexico would keep people from supporting him.

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[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

Gavin is currently in a bizarre marriage to a psycho lady. She attacks the women he cheats on her with. They have 4 kids, but you can tell he is definitely not father of the year. He has been cheating on his transactional spouse with his Deputy Chief of Staff since 2019.

And then there is KIM!

His love life is messy, but he is fucking HOT!

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

Interesting all of Gavin’s public significant others have all been Republicans.

Probably like a turn on for him.

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

Gavin is hot and aggressive, perfect combo for us to obsess.

He is a big time cheater and obviously wants to be POTUS.

Let Daddy Shine!

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

Is this real?

Gavin looks like sex in that pic.

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

Plus Gavin has fucked half of San Francisco.

Probably still if the rumors are true that he and the wife are living separate lives and he is fucking his aide.

Sounds presidential to me!

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

Gavin’s messy cheating affairs will do him in.

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

Gavin is fucking his aide, definitely not the fake spouse anymore.

He seems like a dude who is a sex addict.

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

Gavs is the San Francisco Treat.

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

Gavin at 37 and at 57 is a difference, still hot.

Has he gotten face work done?

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

He can cheat all he wants, she is staying with him to be 1st Lady:

“Her belief in him at least equals his own, and she is quicker to discuss the possibility of a President Newsom.”

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

“Gavin is always around pretty people. But he doesn’t seem to have many real friends.”

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

That article is gold, especially reading about a political arranged marriage.

Gavin having to ask the spouse if they have friends!!! The writer having to tell its a happy marriage. His weird interaction with the kids. She coming off more as a campaign political partner than spouse.

It’s all optics, baby!

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

The most important quote about Gavin Newsom’s transactional 2nd marriage:

“Her belief in him at least equals his own, and she is quicker to discuss the possibility of a President Newsom.”

[bold]The Dark Knighting of Gavin Newsom has begun[/bold]

Awe Gavin & Kimmy loved each other. That’s some chemistry they got going on.

He definitely doesn’t act that way with the Stepford Wife…

[bold]What if Gavin Newsom replaced Biden ?[/bold]

Plus he has a pyscho political marriage arrangement problem.

[bold]What if Gavin Newsom replaced Biden ?[/bold]

R35

Wife 2, it’s a fake political marriage arrangement.

She goes after all the women he has cheated on her with.

He is clearly over her, she is a stage 5 clinger.

[bold]What if Gavin Newsom replaced Biden ?[/bold]

Gavin Newsom is walking sex.

[bold]What if Gavin Newsom replaced Biden ?[/bold]

Does Gavin Newsom have regrets not doing a primary?

[bold]What if Gavin Newsom replaced Biden ?[/bold]

Gavin Newsom is SEXY.

[bold]What if Gavin Newsom replaced Biden ?[/bold]

Newsom’s MegaCock going through every California woman except his spouse.

Sincere question: who's creepier, repetitive anti-Gav R123 or meticulous formatting stalker R127?

?Quien es mas creepier?

[quote] John "Ogre" Fetterman

I'm no fan, but he surely would lock up the bro vote against the likes of Vance.

Yes, if Vance ends up as GOP candidate in 2028, a strong moderate male would needed to secure the bro vote.

We’ll end up trying to sell Biden again- Dems-R-Doomed.

I live in CA and Newsom is not your guy.

He is very polarizing, super progressive and a turn off. However, I am biased and I am definitely not a fan.

Go Shapiro!!

Pete needs to move to CA, run for Governor and then make his next move.

GO PETE!!!

Whitmer/Beshear 2024

R135 it's too late.

I meant 2028.

Take an hour off.

I just can’t with people wanting to nominate a woman for president in ‘28.

If the US wasn't such a misogynists country, I would be all in for a female nominee in 2028.

If the first woman president is a Republican, I hope it's a sane moderate type. But, then again knowing how fucked up things are it will probably end up being someone who is a major loon like MTG.

R139 and that’s the reason why the Dems will lose. I’m not saying it has to be a woman. But just nominate the best person. The left always overreacts. And now we see with all the final numbers somewhat over the top bed wetting. Biden caused this shit. When the right loses do they change their fundamentals. No, they adapt and correct shit but they don’t alter fundamentals. To not nominate a woman because she is the best person who can win that the base wants is to give in to sexism. To not nominate an Asian man who might somehow come out of complete left field like Obama is to give in to racism. Stop being reactionary cunts. And be proactive.

Someone in another thread said Andy Beshear appeared on MSNBC. He's starting out on the road for 2028.

Beshear could probably win with a moderate female running mate.

Would America accept Tammy Duckworth as a possible VP?

I think everybody everywhere should shut up about the acceptable designer ticket. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

^ listen to her....

R141, too many people, men & women, white, black & brown, will not vote for a woman for president. We ignore that at our peril.

R128

Why is R127 obsessed with the comments?

Definitely a creepy stalker…

My prediction is that the first female president will be elected in 2044 or 2048. I think the Gen Alpha kids will end be wiser than the Gen Z twats. The Gen Alpha kids will be disgusted by their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and others in their lives who voted for Trump twice. They might be the ones to help a woman get elected president.

Listen we still won the youth. Just not youth males under 30 which is a bit unusual. We can make progress. A lot of indoctrination also occurred because they wasn’t in school all that time and had idle endless time on the internet.

Democrats always talk about governing. Republicans only care about winning.

Grampa James Carville keeps hawking Mitch Landrieu of Louisiana. Says he's the most talented pol he's ever seen.

Also someone said upthread that a southerner would be a good choice. Worked for Clinton. And Carter. And LBJ. All liberals, btw.

Oprah!!!!!!

[quote] Also someone said upthread that a southerner would be a good choice. Worked for Clinton. And Carter. And LBJ. All liberals, btw.

President Jimmy Carter was definitely not viewed as a fellow liberal.

American presidential elections tend to be a zero-sum game for the parties and their voters. Win, and everything is great. Lose, and your party is rudderless, leaderless and powerless.

So it goes for the Democrats after Vice President Kamala Harris’s defeat to former President Donald J. Trump. Questions about who will lead the party, and in what direction, will be hotly debated as officials explore what went wrong and forge plans to oppose the next Trump administration.

Jockeying has already begun, and not all ambition may be rewarded. Appearing too eager to seize the opportunity presented by Ms. Harris’s defeat could backfire if Democrats are not ready to move forward. But if the period after the 2016 election is any guide, scores of Democratic figures and groups will try to fill the leadership void created as President Biden leaves office.

Four years is a very long time in politics. In that time, Barack Obama went from a state senator to a presidential nominee. In even less time than that, Mr. Trump transformed from being a reality show figure pushing a racist lie about Mr. Obama to president himself. It is not out of the question that the Democrats’ next leader is not someone on the nation’s radar today.

With those caveats, here’s a look at six groups of people who could determine which direction Democrats take as the second Trump administration unfolds.

Kamala Harris and Tim Walz

The last sitting vice president to lose a general election, Al Gore, waited more than two years before announcing he would not run for president again the next cycle. Until Ms. Harris says otherwise, she remains a top leader in her party, has control of its largest donor list, and maintains generally good relations with a wide array of supporters.

On the other hand, she ran a poor presidential campaign during the 2020 race, and Mr. Trump swept her in every battleground state this year. If she wanted to run again, she would probably need to win over skeptical Democrats with impressive showings in mainstream news interviews and town-hall events — forums where her performances this year were often cautious or halting.

Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota, unlike Ms. Harris, has a day job to return to. He goes back to his state as a national figure — though he will lack the unified Democratic control of the State Legislature he enjoyed for the last two years.

There is little question that Mr. Walz’s ambition extends beyond Minnesota. Though he failed to stem Ms. Harris’s losses in rural areas, he remains well liked by fellow Democratic governors and former congressional colleagues. During a concession speech on Friday in Minnesota, he signaled that he was eager to remain relevant in the party.

“Get back in this fight when you’re ready,” he said. “And know that, whenever you’re ready to get back in that fight, I’ll be standing right here, ready to fight the fight with you.”

Ambitious governors Democrats have a deep bench of governors who are widely seen as influential party leaders.

They include Andy Beshear of Kentucky, Roy Cooper of North Carolina, Wes Moore of Maryland, Phil Murphy of New Jersey, Gavin Newsom of California, JB Pritzker of Illinois, Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania and Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, among others.

Mr. Murphy is among the potential candidates to be the next chair of the Democratic National Committee who are now having discussions about running for that post. Mr. Newsom and Mr. Pritzker on Friday began the process of putting forward legislation to codify anti-Trump measures into their state laws.

Landrieu always intrigued me. He has big Mack Daddy energy. I get the argument for him. He should put himself forward next primary season. I don't know if he's the answer or not but I don't rule him out. Never have. If Carville's floating him, there's a reason, even this early.

Mr. Shapiro, who was a finalist to become Ms. Harris’s running mate and emerged politically unscathed from this year’s election, remains focused on the needs of Pennsylvanians, according to a spokesman. That was evidenced by his aides on Monday promoting a local news story about at least 64 new jobs in a county where Mr. Trump won two-thirds of the vote last week.

Mr. Pritzker is also taking in the new political landscape.

“When you’re not in the Oval Office anymore and your party’s not in the Oval Office anymore, the focus and the locus of power moves and it gets spread out,” he said in an interview on Monday. “I’m not going to tell you where it will land or what I think, because I don’t know.”

Biden cabinet members

Pete Buttigieg, Mr. Biden’s transportation secretary, and Gina Raimondo, the commerce secretary, are longtime favorites of Democratic donors, and they both spent a lot of time — in their “personal capacity,” of course — stumping for Mr. Biden and then for Ms. Harris.

Mr. Buttigieg remains one of the party’s most gifted communicators, particularly on television, where he was often dispatched to explain its policies and positions on Fox News, an assignment many fellow Democrats declined.

Ms. Raimondo, a former Rhode Island governor, was seen as a rising star in the Biden cabinet, but she is far better known in Washington circles and by donors than among the party’s base.

Prominent senators Democrats will be in the minority for at least two years, and the odds of passing the party’s desired bills are pretty slim. So attention-hungry Democratic senators will have to focus instead on cable news hits and popular liberal podcasts.

These lawmakers include Senators Cory Booker of New Jersey, Tammy Duckworth of Illinois, John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, Mark Kelly of Arizona, Chris Murphy of Connecticut and Raphael Warnock of Georgia.

Ms. Duckworth was vetted in Mr. Biden’s vice-presidential search in 2020, and Mr. Kelly was a finalist to be Ms. Harris’s running mate this year. Mr. Fetterman has transformed from a progressive hero into a leading voice of the party’s moderates, while Mr. Murphy is its Senate champion for gun control measures. Mr. Warnock is perhaps the party’s most gifted orator serving in office.

All are between 51 and 60 years old — spring chickens in the Senate — and are as well positioned as anyone in the party to speak to the young voters who have backed away from Democrats since 2020.

Progressives

On the other hand, the candidate who did the best with young voters in the last two competitive Democratic primary contests was Senator Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent who was just re-elected at 83 years old.

Mr. Sanders very much wants to steer the party toward his vision of politics, which is at odds with the donor and corporate interests that often rule the day, even if his age means he has run his last national election. A spokeswoman for Mr. Sanders said he intended to remain involved in guiding the party’s direction but declined to speculate on his future plans.

Other liberals who fit roughly into the Sanders milieu include Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ro Khanna of California and Pramila Jayapal of Washington State and Senators Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Jeff Merkley of Oregon.

One other name to expect to hear a lot more from next year is Representative Greg Casar of Texas, who is expected to succeed Ms. Jayapal as chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

“Progressives in Congress the next two years really need to focus on pushing popular economic issues where liberals, conservatives and independent Americans agree with us over people like Donald Trump,” Mr. Casar said in an interview last week.

Celebrities, billionaires and other fantasy candidates

When Mr. Trump won in 2016, Democrats floated all manner of celebrities and ultrawealthy people as possible presidential contenders.

An Oprah Winfrey candidacy was the dream for the party. Mark Zuckerberg had onetime aides to Mr. Obama arrange a private tour of the country. The billionaires Tom Steyer and Michael R. Bloomberg spent many millions to run for president in the 2020 race, efforts that paid off handsomely for their consultants but hardly for the candidates.

This time, there will undoubtedly be new calls for Michelle Obama to become more vocal in the party. Howard Schultz, the former Starbucks chief executive, considered running for president as an independent candidate in 2020.

The billionaire Mark Cuban, who was an energetic supporter of Ms. Harris on the campaign trail, has previously expressed interest in running himself.

The country might even hear again about presidential ambitions from the actor Dwayne Johnson, better known as The Rock, who in 2017 suggested he was interested.

And no VP candidate named "Tim"!

I thought Kamala ran a good campaign given everything against her, but I don't think it was good enough or memorable enough to consider her having first dibs on the next nomination. I wonder if her weaknesses will improve. She can get tangled up trying to please everybody in every answer, so she either keeps making word salad or gets comfortable taking positions she can explain simply, but piss some people off. Plus, apparently, she's very incrementalist and conservative with risk taking when it comes to campaign tactics and strategies. She could get outmanoeuvred again in the primaries. She might be well suited to angling to become the next Pelosi. God knows the current one is past her best by date.

To TRULY decide I think we need to have a cock comparison competition between the nominees.

Landrieu needs to go for Senate in 2026. Bill Cassidy is not going to get the nom in a MAGA world. Picking up Louisiana would be quite a coup.

[quote] Landrieu needs to go for Senate in 2026.

In Louisiana?!

He might be able to do it, too, R161. That's a good idea for him. I just don't think Carville was floating names for the fun of it. Something's up... not to say anything will come of it.

Dems will have their own civil war - which I am not saying is a bad thing. But the progressives won't be packed off without a fight, even if most of the establishment is centrist.

R162, yes. Democrats have zero path to the Senate if they can’t compete in more states. It just got worse because of losses in PA, but also red states like OH and MT.

A Tim Ryan-JD Vance rematch, writ large.

[quote] Democrats have zero path to the Senate if they can’t compete in more states.

I get that, which is why retaking the Senate is a bigger challenge than retaking the White House. But I'd look to states more like Kansas than Louisiana, which has only become more red over time.

Newsome is way too far left. We need a candidate that represents a unified Democratic Party.

If Newsom was more moderate and a governor of a southern state, he would have a better chance of winning a presidential race.

And he wouldn't be "Gavin Newsom" under that scenario, R169.

Democracy will be dead by then, this land will be under Chinese or Russian control.

Beshear just started his campaign:

Andy Beshear:

I’m the Governor of Kentucky. Here’s How Democrats Can Win Again.

Yes, there are a lot of big, important issues facing our country, but when families are struggling in these core areas, it’s hard to focus on or reach anything else. If you are staring at the cost of your child’s prescription and wondering how you are going to pay for both it and your family’s dinner, the offense of the day in Washington, D.C. or the latest crazy thing a politician said just isn’t as important.

Fuck the establishment! We need a figure like Jon Stewart to rid us of MAGA. It’s funny how afraid of the progressive left moderates and right wingers are.

There has never been a true progressive president and all the reservations some of you have is because of the barrage of propaganda from the right wing and moderates who are bankrolled by billionaires.

Unfortunately I don’t think Jon wants to even make an attempt at a run, but if he were I definitely be knocking on doors for him.

Jon Stewart is pals with MAGA veterans and first responders.

R174 Jon cares about common people struggling, especially those who have been forgotten about by our government. The fact that he has right wing “pals” should tell you more about his charisma and appeal which so many of the people listed in OPs poll lack.

Beshear/Ossoff 2028

It's cute that people think we'll ever be able to have another real election. Oh I wish I was that delusional to live in fantasy land!

[quote]Beshear/Ossoff 2028

There's a foreskin joke in there somewhere.

[quote] FFS! NO WOMEN NO JEWS NO GAYS NO BLACKS

Shout it louder.

[quote] Fuck the establishment! We need a figure like Jon Stewart to rid us of MAGA.

Fuck off, dope.

If California wasn’t a shithole in debt, Newsom would stand a chance. No one from California is ever entering the White House now.

[quote]why Newsom? I am trying to understand why DL seems so enthusiastic about him. He seems like a recipe for failure to me, based on his state and his lifetime of doing little but politics

The state with the 5th largest economy in the world? The state where new businesses start up than any other state in the Union? The state that has has some of the highest Real estate values in the country making middle class folks all millionaires? The state that has one of the LOWEST property taxes in the US? The state that supplies more than 30% of America's produce? Yeah what a terrible place to be. I will save you time, spare me the MAGA talk about homeless problem that's happening all over the US now including red states like Texas. Or the "business is leaving", BS, more startups chose Calif than old legacy business leave for cheap labor. Even Elon has not totally left because he needs CA to launch his satellite rockets, land in the ocean, and keep his current factory producing cars.

What the Democrats should be doing is readying the next batch of Millennial politicians.

Gen X is a lost cause and a political mess and no more money and effort should be wasted on this MAGA demographic.

Dems need to stop being so serious. Their earnest and sincere. Fuck that. Get jiggy.

If you think the Dems will ever have a white male/white male ticket for a Pres/veep race, you're sadly delusional.

There will be a minority and female on every ticket from now on.

It all depends on whether there will be a swimsuit competition this go-round. Thongs?

[quote]If you think the Dems will ever have a white male/white male ticket for a Pres/veep race, you're sadly delusional.

[quote]There will be a minority and female on every ticket from now on.

I think 2028 will be a white male with either male minority or a woman. I think some these the possible tickets below could work

-Andy Beshear with Wes Moore

-Andy Beshear with Andy Kim

-Andy Beshear with Gretchen Whitmer

-Andy Beshear with Jasmine Crocket

-Andy Beshear with Elissa Slotkin

-Andy Beshear with

Andy Beshear with Ritchie Torres

Andy Beshear will be outshone by literally everyone you have listed. I’d go with Wes Moore.

Andy Beshear wouldn't even win Kentucky in a presidential election.

You idiots and your star quality bullshit. Good luck.

We will never have an honest election ever again.

[quote] Andy Beshear wouldn't even win Kentucky in a presidential election.

While true, let's not forget Trump didn't win NY, his then-state of residence in 2016.

The more I see him on TV the less I like him. He is off putting. Very earnest, and serious and he has that "deer in the headlights" look in his eyes. he seems like he has a fragile ego. The kind of guy who doesn't like his wimmin to contradict him and disagree. The kind of man who cries while he's beating his wife.

Pete.

R182 you’re tragically delusional. The “state with the highest real estate values in the country”? California is the state nobody can afford to buy a house in, except for a few tech bros.

The attack ads against Gavin Newsom will write themselves—the tent cities, the pathetic educational systems, trans legislation signed by Newsom that would freak most voters nationwide, the months-long fire seasons & electricity outages, the highest cost of living anywhere except NYC, the most expensive gasoline at $5/gal., the $45 billion budget deficit etc etc etc.

Not to mention his sordid personal history, incl fucking the wife of his friend/campaign manager, when he was SF mayor.

Republicans are DROOLING over the prospect of a Newsom candidacy.

We have zero idea what the political landscape will be in 2027-28, so, while the parlor game is always fun, it's rather meaningless at this point.

It needs to be someone under 50. The more I think about it just does. This is our 21st century JFK moment. It needs to be someone like him. Today’s version of that.

R196

Plus Gavin has been having an affair with his staffer since 2018 when he was campaigning for Governor. Rumors say he may be the father of her child.

But that’s the kind of street cred, R199, that would serve Newsom well in this era.

Some people might not care if Newsom has a love child. MAGAts don't care that Trump was fucking a porn star while Melania was pregnant.

R198, maybe you slept through the Obama years? That was it. That was the "moment" you're referring to.

Many of the people who are floated around are already over 50 and a couple like Beshear and Moore will be turning 50 in the next few years. I think the Dems should focus on possible contenders who are maybe 38-55 for 2028.

Gavin Newsom will be 61 in 2028.

Don't you believe it. The only way to make Trump seem competent and look good is to drive Biden's approval numbers down. It justifies every lie Trump peddled. But Biden did a damned good job. And the sad thing is that fucker is going to get credit for a strong economy, and all the infrastructure projects and lower interest rates, etc. and Biden, they hope, will be erased. The Russia troll farms did a great job, and the mainstream media bullying him did the rest. I hate Trump. I thought Kamala did a great job, and I hope she runs again. Whether she does or not, whether it's someone else, we need to dismantle the propaganda machine that has us cannibalizing one another and buying the lies and acting on them. If we do not address the very real problem of the media ecosystem that got Trump elected, we will never see another Democratic POTUS. And that includes Starlink and Musk, Theil and the other assholes.

[quote] Gavin Newsom will be 61 in 2028.

I'll be 48 then and more energetic to become president.

Senator Chris Murphy is getting divorced, so if he wants to run he will have to get a new wife by 2028.

Democratic Party HQ Think Tank Meeting:

"Hmmmm....we need to find just the right brown skinned, transgender, queer, "they/them", femme but not too femme, sex worker, little person in a wheel chair coping with generational trauma, Lyme disease, ADHD, and some vague debilitating syndrome that exhausts them to run in 2028...perhaps it's time to form an exploratory team?"

George Clooney

Tom Hanks

Why is everyone desperately trying to make a Gen X candidate happen?

I say screw that MAGAT generation. They don't deserve the next Democrat nomination.

If Trump 2.0 is as disastrous as I expect it to be, a ticket of Hillary/Kamala could sail to victory in ‘28.

R212 why troll?

Please. These people will all be in labor camps, deported, or executed in 4 years.

R212, Absolutely no Democrat, high or low, wants either of those women on another ticket. And no to "Big Gretch," too. Frankly, no women need apply in 2028. I don't care about potential sketches on SNL.

Looking back, it appears that Covid-19 propelled the Biden/Harris pair to victory. And because that threat seems almost gone, Trump re-won, bigly. With a White Guy running mate

Democrats offered a mixed-race candidate with a down-home White guy, and lost. After intense lobbying of the Hispanic/Latino demographic. After cozying up to "sane" Republicans, even offering to appoint one to the Harris Administration. After making women's healthcare top priority, thinking who doesn't have a mother, never mind sister, wife, daughter, gf, colleague, etc.?

After proposing help with housing, small business, education, healthcare, etc.

But what issues were more persuasive? Not help. Not healthcare. Not education. No.

Fear. Revulsion. Antipathy.

2016 went for the new. 2020 went for hope. 2024 decided that it was time for White Supremacy.

The perfect outcome for the month in which we celebrate our Original White Christian Supremacist forefathers, the Mayflower Puritans.

My point was not to advocate an all-female ticket, even one with a women at the top (which I do not favor), but to argue against this doomsday feeling Democrats have adopted since the election. Nothing cures Democrats' electoral issues more than Trump being in office.

[quote]Nothing cures Democrats' electoral issues more than Trump being in office.

Agreed. Just when the pendulum swings to create opportunity for Democrats to limit the damage in government, will they move in increments or will we get back to the same checklist-based circular firings squads about whose turn it is now?

You can be the party of "help" and "inclusion" and "justice" and all the aspects of progressivism that will create good outcomes. But you don't talk about them like moral imperatives to Americans. That's selling them terms they're not interested in. The country is too hard hearted. If you want to make change and progress, sell it by making the case for how it puts another dollar in your pocket.

Just the one, dear?

Obviously Newsom. It's a no brainer. None of those others listed by OP have a chance.

R217, What about Kamala's economic "help for the Middle Class and aspirants thereto" proposals did you not understand?

R216, Your r212 sounds pretty darn all-female specific to me as written, for a different inference to be drawn. Maybe you just needed a few more words....

R220, I understood it. Just not enough people bought it. Your butt hurt is showing.

[quote] [R216], Your [R212] sounds pretty darn all-female specific to me as written, for a different inference to be drawn.

And what inference was that, R221? I was merely exaggerating, for effect, how disastrous the new administration will for the electoral future of republicans.

R221 is just looking for trouble where none exists. The inference was plain.

Latino Man. Now go. Find one.

R221 has a two digit IQ.

The 2028 Dem nominee will probably end up being a dark horse who no one is talking about now.

ZADDY 4 PRES

Gavin Newsom and his Escort Whore Wife will be sad.

Kamala had a brilliant campaign and her policy prescriptions were very well put together. Economist endorsed the economic policies in particular. So what we should do is take everything she proposed, and all her initiatives, and repackage them, and let a man say them. We can script it for Tom Hanks....or Andy Beshear. Because then the woman haters will listen.

If we're looking for straight white males, we could do a lot worse than Jim Himes.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Martin O'Malley. The little remembered 2016 candidate for the Democratic nomination. The one who could've won.

R233 He is so fucking fine and sexy. But now he’s too old.

He'll be 65 in '28, R234. A baby in today's presidential politics.

He also was the inspiration for the mayor of Baltimore on The Wire.

Imma repeat this. It doesn't matter who they run. It is the disinformation campaign we have to address. The lies the distortions and the collusion of the media. Ever since Ronald Reagan go the "Reagan Democrats" in the labor unions to vote against their own interests, it has been clear that unchecked propaganda, actually brainwashing, to a dumbed down electorate, can convince voters to vote for a literal pile of shit. The Republicans weaponized the low information voters. And they did it in part by busting labor unions that used to educate their workforce about issues and candidates that would help or harm them. Both Biden and Harris were attempting to rebuild the union's influence, but they ran out of time. And the deregulation of the FCC under Reagan, and other reverses with social media unchecked, did t he rest. It pisses me off that every fucking time we make a few gains, those fuckers come in and reverse everything.

How is Martin O'Malley "too old"?

People over 72 running for president is ridiculous...under that, it's fine.

R238 It must be a millenial. We have to recapture the youth that we almost lost by a majority. We need new, freshness, perhaps not a long career in Washington.

Well, go find a Millennial who has made any kind of real political mark. And, isn't one of your boring whitebread, "cute" governors.

We're waiting....

R237 Well if you want to recapture the unions, you don’t fucking have a sit down interview with a 6 foot tall tranny talking bout how taxpayer money will be spent on prison transitions. I can’t believe my girl ever went that route. It’s ridiculous. Especially since half of them are going to lie, no true trans, just so they can be in a female prison. Why can’t democrats be as impassioned as spending taxpayer money on increasing literacy rates of black school children.

Wes Moore 2028

R241, no you restore manufacturing jobs and acknowledge the unions and promote the unions, and make t hem part of the economic recovery conversation and the Infrastructure conversation which is exactly what Biden and Harris did. As f or allowing Trans medical care for transitioning even if they're incarcerated, so what? Who the fuck is it affecting? Did one of those trans pee in your cornflakes? Fuck off.

R243 maybe I’m being a bit histrionic but optics are everything. And they did do a lot of great things.

R243 And it is affecting us because we are paying for it. If they were a law abiding citizen too broke to transition what the fuck would they do. Certainly not use taxpayer money.

Are fucking Democrats this stupid?

She’s the only name they can come up with.

R246 she was a damned good candidate. I would support her.

Here’s an interesting question: how many times, the past 50 years, was the Dem nominee on everybody’s short list way back in the weeks after the prior presidential election? Not counting incumbents.

At quick glance it’s a 50/50 split, with Obama one extreme, DNC speech newbie 2004 vs D nominee 2008, and Hillary and Joe on the other extreme as total known entitles. It’s certain that a few of these names on OP’s poll will compete vigorously for the 2028 nomination. Or…. we might be in a mood to leap to someone even newer.

R248, an old Adlai Stevenson supporter, I'm sure. Even in his nascent '60 campaign.

The flaw wasn't the candidate. Kamala was poetry in motion, IMO. It was the campaign's failure, being unprepared for that wall of disinformation that literally swamped the campaign and saturated the media, both legacy media and social media, in the final ten days. How could they not know Elon was allowing Starlink into the picture? How could they not expect and prepare for the attacks? She was ready. She was constantly responding to identifiable concerns. But in a campaign, you have to be ready for the Hail Mary pass, the final push, the "kitchen sink" phase. The GOP knows how to sell. They know voter behavior, and they are relentless. And they do not engage in circular firing squads and shit on themselves in public. GOP never admits defeat. Ever. They keep fighting and keep pitching and their strategy is to never surrender. All the so called Dem professional campaign operatives and pundits could learn something from that. Republicans didn't just talk about inflation and immigration during the campaign cycle. They were pitching it for almost t wo years or more. And advertisers for various products even used inflation in pitching their wares. Inflation was part of the discussion everywhere. That's just one example. All those months when Joe was talking about how great things were it made him seem clueless. Out of touch. (And he was!)

[quote] The flaw wasn't the candidate. Kamala was poetry in motion, IMO.

Outside of a prepared speech or a debate, which she handled flawlessly, she had nothing really to say.

R251 Republicans didn't just talk about inflation and immigration during the campaign cycle. They were pitching it for almost t wo years or more. And advertisers for various products even used inflation in pitching their wares. Inflation was part of the discussion everywhere. That's just one example. All those months when Joe was talking about how great things were it made him seem clueless. Out of touch.

Preach my friend. As soon as the GOP loses, they think about how to demonize the other side for the next 4 years. We need to start doing that. Fuck the people. I mean it’s ultimately for their good because we will have more consistent success.

Dems get the basics on policy prescriptions and issues. But it seems like they're clueless about voter behavior. Voters are never happy with the economy. They always feel like they're paying too much for everything. They all suffer from job insecurity. They believe talking about inflation or "the economy" makes them sound smart.

On immigration, when W was POTUS in 2007 he tried to get legislation passed on a comprehensive immigration bill and his own party defeated it. And yesterday, on the news, I saw video of a massive caravan, marching from Mexico to the U.S. border and the announcer claimed they "wanted to get in before Biden leaves office." It really wasn't about issues. It was about manipulating voters. And no one does that better than the GOP.

Trump lost, and HE ran again, so....

R254 Dems are very analytical. After a few successes they forget that elections are primarily an emotional response. Basic iq people don’t deal with data: they deal with emotions and sentiments.

Let me digress for a moment? Speaking of W, he was t he guy who let the Assault weapons ban expire and refused to allow it to be renewed. He was the guy who gave us John Roberts as Chief of SCOTUS. I t think he dropped Alito on us too. And Brett Kavanaugh worked in his White House and was the guy who helped John Roberts prep and get through his confirmation hearings. In point of fact, W is the guy who allowed the Federalist Society to be the sole vetting and screening process . They made a list and they recommended Judicial candidates. He turned the federal judicial nominating process over to the Federalist Society. Prior to that, the Bar associations rated candidates and screened them .

Bush gave us Alito only after his first choice, Harriet Miers, was withdrawn due to his party's objections.