Dems don’t have to change a thing.

Kind of agree

You think there's gonna be a free and fair election in 2026?

Oh you sweet summer child.

You're not wrong.

Still think, however, that we need to stop with some of the politically correct shenanigans. Instead of prioritizing the fee fees of 0.01% of the population on the fringes, lets get back to focusing on, connecting to and supporting the working class/normcore.

Political correctness isn’t what lost this election.

I don’t think Harris mentioned trans even once.

The GOP’s policies are so hated, that all they did was push social issues, especially trans.

Dems didn’t particularly respond to it. Dems have to still support trans just like they did gay. We have gay marriage because the Dems didn’t abandoned us at the first sign of controversy.

One thing we need to do is to point out how their vote affected the things they complain about. “Tariffs put me out of business.” “Okay, well this was Trump’s plan. The Democrats offered you this ____ and this _____.”

And dumb it down to a 5th grade level.

R3: Oh for god's sake, just die.

[quote] Dems have to still support trans

Nope. Not right now. Sorry.

Get them out of women’s sports ASAP. The optics are like drinking poison.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

Trump got low propensity voters to vote for him. They are not likely to turn out in 2026.

Focus on getting back the House.

It’s so cute that you think we’ll have fair and not-rigged elections ever again.

Tesla voting machines: Coming 2026. Totally legit 😉.

R5, she didn't have to...

R11: Point of order, we still don't know who will control that chamber this cycle.... but your broader point stands.

Fair enough.

Retain or retake the House.

[quote] Nope. Not right now. Sorry. Get them out of women’s sports ASAP. The optics are like drinking poison.

It’s difficult to understand why Democrats won’t let it go. On the one hand, it’s said that the issue only affects an infinitesimally small number of people, but on the other hand, it’s the hill that the whole country must die on, even if it costs Democrats elections. No one is going to die or be irrevocably broken from banning biological men in women’s sports.

[quote]I don’t think Harris mentioned trans even once.

R5, it isn't about the three month Kamala campaign. It's the previous three and three-quarter years.

It’s tough for Dems to abandon trans women without the whole victim Olympics thing crashing down. To them it’s more moral to support a man who thinks he’s a woman than an actual woman

The trans movement freaks most people out. Gayness is one thing. It's asking people to believe in someone's feelings and deny the reality of sex. Then, it directly impacts little Kaitlynn and Brianne in locker rooms and sports. It's going to be a tough one to get around.

THE TRANZ ARE RUINING THE WORLD!!!!!!

Give it a fucking rest and go live your life. Trans people aren't the sole reason why this election was lost. I'm tired of hearing about this. Every fucking thread here is now turned into an anti-trans screed.

Maybe a year ago, I went to lunch with some members of a very conservative women's organization that I was a member of (just resigned); they didn't have any problem with me being a lesbian, but they were disgusted and appalled by the trans stuff. I had to reassure them that not all gay people wholeheartedly supported the Ts or even felt aligned with them. They were OK after that, but they were still giving me the side-eye.

The general public has accepted us gays for the most part, but when it comes to the Ts, all bets are off.

For what it's worth.

2026 midterms don't look promising for Democrats -- in the Senate, anyway.

It all depends whether he really does the tariffs. If he doesn't, the economic situation for average families in 2026 will likely be better than now and it won't be the usual midterm reversal. But he probably will follow through on that stupidity.

Contrarian eldergay at R20, we are trying to understand the zeitgeist. We are not knocking the Trans. We are not saying that we are personally anti-trans. The rest of the country is, though, and we need to figure out how to navigate this shit. Yes, we do need to figure it out. Yes, it turns a lot of people off. Now go take your medications, go watch your stories, go back to sleep in your special cozy chair and let us talk.

[quote] The trans movement freaks most people out. Gayness is one thing

Two straight men and one straight woman I know have no issues with gays and lesbians. But the trans does freak them out. She’s upset because she has lived many years and all that entails being a woman and one guy in particular just can’t wrap his head around it.

They all voted for Harris and I would say they’re moderates.

Why are some of you so obsessed with trans people? I don't recall one mention of trans anything during the entire campaign cycle from democrats. Some of you need Jesus.

So should the Dems abandon every boogie man the GOP puts forth—Gays, Trans, Muslims, immigrants, Blacks, Women, Jews…? Every time it’s someone and something new to hate.

If the Dems did that, what exactly would they stand for?

I believe the problem with T and the general voting population has more to do with the attention whores and the social media types. They are more about attention and clicks and would flip their look in a second if it meant even more attention and even more clicks. I always say the T hijacked the gay movement and took over the narrative. They did but I believe the larger narrative is being driven by a bunch of fetishists and opportunists like Dylan Mulvaney.

R26, Trump and the Rs used clips from the 2020 primaries which show Kamala offering taxpayer funded surgery to T prisoners and (supposedly) undocumented immigrants.

R27, I believe the Muslims abandoned us this election. So, yeah FUCK THEM.

At 0.6% of the population, trans isn’t threatening anyone.

The GOP has just made this its issue because they know people don’t understand trans and maybe even freaked about it (exactly like they did with gay marriage during GWB’s election).

Let’s stop pretending this is some real problem.

[quote] If the Dems did that, what exactly would they stand for?

A Sister Souljah moment is more than acceptable. If the Democrats would give a little on allowing biological males in women’s sports it would show an appealing distancing from trans extremism without actually hurting anyone.

[Quote] Trump and the Rs used clips from the 2020 primaries which show Kamala offering taxpayer funded surgery to T prisoners and (supposedly) undocumented immigrants.

Of course the truth is taxpayer funded surgeries to T prisoners started under Trump. If a prisoner can get heart surgery for a clogged artery why shouldn’t a Tran prisoner get surgery. Both are getting therapy for their medical conditions.

[Quote] If the Democrats would give a little on allowing biological males in women’s sports it would show an appealing distancing from trans extremism without actually hurting anyone.

Most conservative states have already passed laws to ban trans in men’s sports. It’s not a political problem any more. But the right wants us to pretend it is and get scared and angry

R30: Thank you. It isn't. And no one cited as a reason to vote for Trump in any voting data. Dropping trans rights will gain us nothing.

R22: Who care what Naziweek has to say about anything?

People need to be aware of the movement to demonise Democrats as out of touch, not listening, divisive, etc., etc.

Some in the party will happily self-flagellate themselves over this but it’s a bunch of bullshit to cripple and demonise the opposition. Don’t fall for it.

DO NOT OBEY IN ADVANCE.

No one seems to give a damn about the young women who have been training since childhood for a chance at scholarships in order to attend college. Now in swoops a male high school student who says he is female and who literally runs off with the race and the young woman's chance at a better life. If you think this is acceptable prepare to lose a hell of a lot more elections.

R35, you're part of the fucking problem. You're also not American. The average American does not want open borders, criminals running free without fear of repercussions and men hijacking women's sports. That boxer who won the women's gold in the Olympics? Turns out he is a bio male. Too bad for the women who have been training for years in the hopes of winning a medal. Oh well, such is life, right?

Remember when Obama won in 2008 and everybody said that Republicans were finished because of the new political coalition? Well, that lasted for all of two years, and Republicans cleaned up in the 2010 midterms. Same thing happened with Bush, Clinton, Trump. The only time it didn't happen was with Biden, oddly enough. Democrats are going to get the House back in 2026, and the Senate races will be more favorable to us.

Thank you, R36. Magical thinking doesn't change the reality. We can have empathy for trans people without rolling over and allowing a tiny minority to fuck up, say womens sports. Or bathrooms.

Put men in charge again.

[quote] At 0.6% of the population, trans isn’t threatening anyone.

It’s the 75 percent of the media oxygen it sucks up that has become the problem.

This is not up for debate.

R24 I was trying to point out that some here at DL are obsessed with trans people as being the root of all evil. This has been going on for years, not just since the election. And I'm well aware that this is a tactic of the Republicans, to have a boogeyman every time to divide people. I'm just sick of hearing about every thread here being taken over by obsessed trans loons. Same goes for the neourodivergent trolls, obsessed and convinced everyone is on the spectrum. It's tiresome.

Out of touch eldergay signing out and going back to my Love Boat reruns.

[quote]Instead of prioritizing the fee fees of 0.01% of the population on the fringes, lets get back to focusing on, connecting to and supporting the working class/normcore.

You're one a them "normal gays" that JD Vance likes so much, ain't ya?

Fuck off.

[quote]As usual, the GOP will overreach with laws about abortion pills, the mass roundup of illegals, ignoring climate change, and huge tax cut for billionaires.

And you don't think all the people who voted for him weren't expecting this?

What you see as a flaw in his policy, they see as the whole point of voting for him. His base wants to outlaw abortion, don't want any immigrants, illegal other otherwise (except a white folks), and all believe they'll be rich when cheeto "makes America great again" by doing all this.

It's dems, taxes, and the deep state preventing them from having the lives they deserve.

I doubt Vance would call me a "normal gay" but I know those Bud Light commercials ushered in another Trump Era and we need to understand how to protect trans rights, but not at the expense of the greater whole. I personally have zero problems with trans people but for many, having a trans woman selling an American classic beer, you may as well have a giant cock with a cock ring in the commercial and men fucking each other and saying "Hey cowboy, drink our beer!" As in, we can coexist with these sexual realities as long as its in the shadows, on the fringes, not in the mainstream. Not shoved down peoples' throats. This is what I think most Americans want, not what I personally feel. To tell me personally to fuck off when I am simply observing reality tells me that you are not being rational, but you are in your emotions and you're lashing out. We cannot alienate millions of people in service to the 0.01%. We can keep them under our umbrella but we can't put them above the masses adn give them extra special rights. Such as playing in women's sports. Or acting like "I'm a woman's woman" when they have never had a period, never been date-raped, never gotten pregnant and sought an abortion. And then they want to use women's restrooms with their penises. Women find this really terrifying and we have to be aware of these truths.

If you have a penis, you are not a MTF. I don't care how you dress or act. You are not and never will be a woman if you have a penis. Period.

You know what I always say: no swingin' dicks in the ladies' locker room! Or in women's prisons, for that matter.

The Democratic Party was not responsible for Dylan Mulvaney as the Bud Light spokesperson. That was a very stupid ad campaign and what was the point-most liberal people weren't drinking piss water Bud Light anyway, so they just alienated their white trash bubba consumer base. I didn't get it at the time. That said, you don't sacrifice your values and throw one group under the bus to win over morons who weren't voting for you anyway.

The Democrats have to start over because they’ve been successfully painted as woke, soft, weak, communist etc. In addition to no longer running women (who are 0-2), they have to break through to the working place in a normal plain spoken way and convince them that Republicans do NOT benefit them. Trump will be a disaster so that’s half the battle.

When the shit hits the fan, I'm not sure if we should tell them I told you so. I think that'll drive them further into the MAGA cult. Americans seem to double down and we don't like to be told we were wrong. And unfortunately, Democrats talking down to them and/or having some long winded explanation about inflation just pisses people off. You need simple, 30 second bumper sticker slogans and internet memes. That's all you average American seems to have time for or can comprehend.

[quote]they have to break through to the working place in a normal plain spoken way and convince them that Republicans do NOT benefit them.

I stated here for years that Democrats need to provide a list of things/policies that will encourage people to vote for them. Instead, as expected, the foundation of the 2024 campaign was "Trump is literally Hitler!" That Hitler/Mussolini/Stalin accusation will get a lot of people, but it wasn't enough to win.

[quote]Americans seem to double down and we don't like to be told we were wrong.

You can see that in the thread title. A post-mortem of what went wrong is unlikely to break through.

Good point R50. I'm just trying to think strategically for the next time. If there is a next time.

Yeah we do. Instead of just running the positive, hopeful ads, which we do well, we also need so hard hitting meanspirited attack ads.

Address the lies directly. Like, “this lie was told by turmp”

Just stop catering to the fringe and identity politics and get back to the real roots of the Democratic Party - advocating for the workers. And, stop abdicating your party to women who demonize men. The height of this shit was a program on MSNBC in which a woman was talking about her book on reshaping masculinity; the panel was all women. This election was all about women for the Dems. Look how well that went.

Once again we see the apologists defending the trannies, just like clockwork, middle fucking America is not ready for trannies, and it was one of the issues, immigrants flooding over and no control, we need immigrants but not like this, and fuck the Mexicans who live in the US, they're all religious nuts, Then the white women need to be slaughtered unless they're pretty and can be used for breeding stock, I have that much that much respect for them, gay men need to remember, white women, your mothers, are cunts and have given gay men hell all their lives, now the payback, die while giving birth and bleed out while watching your precious little piece of shit die right before you. You deserve it

Stop turning it into Michfest.

R55 = Julie Andrews.

Have you lost your equanimity r55? Have you lost your faith in l'amour?

Love you, OP. Couldn’t agree more.

Catastrophic damage can be wrought in just two years.

and likely will happen

You're not well, R55. Please seek help. You're in danger of stroking out at any time.

R55 seems like a real 🍑!

Blaming the 2024 election on Dylan Mulvaney and beer commercials is....a choice.

Tim Walz made the point that trans kids in high school sports in MN total, at the most, 40 people.

I don't know how to get past middle America's near-psychotic reactions to trans people simply existing. But as gay men, throwing them under the bus is inexcusable. The equivalent of Latinos supporting deportations on the belief that hey, we're not like those icky latinos, we're white!

They are a part of our broader community whether you want them to be or not.

You’re blind. Americans are SICK TO DEATH of wokeness. Tired of making everything about race, tired of pretending that men in dresses are women, tired of all the victimhood olympics. This is a big part of why Dems lost.

Also, Democrats severely underestimated how much “pregnant people” and “people born with vaginas” pisses off women.

It seems that older gay men don't care and want to fuck themselves anyway, if we go by what happens here .

And not in the fun way*

[quote]It seems that older gay men don't care and want to fuck themselves anyway, if we go by what happens here .

In the immortal and wise words of Beth Jarrett, "Don't try to change me, Calvin. I don’t want anymore changes in my life. For God’s sake, hasn’t enough happened? Let's just hold on to what we've got!"

[Quote] Americans are SICK TO DEATH of wokeness. Tired of making everything about race, tired of pretending that men in dresses are women, tired of all the victimhood olympics. This is a big part of why Dems lost.

All of this was sparked, of course, by the right. The reason we’re obsessed about wokeness is the right has repressed and demonized minorities for forever. They created laws targeted at specific races, and on and on and on.

And now whites are tired these minorities are fighting back

Just wait two years. Dems will be back controlling Congress.

[Quote] Once again we see the apologists defending the trannies, just like clockwork, middle fucking America is not ready for trannies,

Just like when middle America was freaked about gay marriage. It was the GOP that amplified it like it was going to destroy the world. In fact, it wasn’t even on the mind of most gays themselves. Just like there are only a minuscule amount to trans but the GOP pretends they’re around every corner

For most of Biden's term, Democrats were unified, even after losing the House majority in 2022. The GOP was split into MAGA and non-MAGA factions who couldn't even come together to select a Speaker without chaos. Though they continue to purge moderates from the party and the MAGA wing are emboldened after this election, those divisions haven't gone away. They'll be at each others throats soon enough.

The Democratic Party has to avoid going down that same fractious path as the GOP did. They need a game plan with an emphasis on unity along with developing strategies to be an effective opposition party under a Trump presidency. If that happens, they could gain seats in 2026, assuming conditions for free and fair elections still exist by then.

That said, I still can't believe we will have to go through this shit again and it will be worse than before.

We may also live in an era where we will never again have a two term President, no matter who it is. Especially with the short attention span theater and the 24 hour (or has it now been reduced to 8 hours?) news cycle.

And people are still ticket splitters, but that went on in 2020 as well. States voted for the likes of Susan Collins but voted for Biden.

And there's the disconnect between abortion referendums and minimum wage increases in states like Missouri that also overwhelmingly go for Trump and Josh Hawley, who want to get rid of those things.

There's a lot going on here that can't just be simplistically boiled down to America sucks and we're MAGA now. I know I'll take shit for saying that.

In Canada they call (or called) the Liberal party the "natural governing party" because historically the Liberals formed the national government most of the time. They were the party to beat. They were the natural fit. I'd argue the Conservatives in the UK are the same. In any country where there's a first past the post system, one party is seen as the natural party.

So do you really want to be in a system that just rides the pendulum back and forth or do you want to try to build something where you're the natural governing party?

There's a headline on WaPo today for their podcast: This is bigger than any one mistake Harris made

And it was. First off, I don't think there was any way for Democrats to have won the presidency. A viable enough candidate was running against [bold]Donald Trump[/bold] and lost. There was nothing so problematic about Harris that she shouldn't have been able to defeat Trump if the prevailing climate had allowed it. It didn't. It couldn't, if it allowed him to win. So, yes, this is bigger than any one mistake anybody made.

Mistakes I saw:

Biden decided to run again. He appears too old to do the job.

The party essentially forbade any talk of Biden's suitability for another term.

Biden got out too late to run a process. And to have enough time to begin to heal the hurt feelings that follow a process. Shrewd operators manipulated that anxiety for their own purposes.

The Democrats talk too much about which candidate has the optics and the magic and the identity characteristics to win and not enough about a candidate with something to say that will win.

(Most controversial observation:) Democrats seem to keep expecting voters to come to them, rather than the other way around. Obama was nuts to scold black men in that speech.

The Democrats still haven't figured out a way to defang the Republican definition of liberal. The strength of the trans ad wasn't that it was about trans, it was the closer: Kamala Harris is for they/them. President Trump is for you.

Harris' messaging was sometimes not specific enough. Opportunity economy? That doesn't sound like a thing.

Flowing from that, she was still struggling to effectively answer tough questions toward the end of the campaign.

The Democratic data must have been bad or they made bad decisions about what they knew. The extent to which this election was fuelled by voter anger about inflation was not reflected in the strategies or tactics.

[quote] I don't know how to get past middle America's near-psychotic reactions to trans people simply existing.

And that's just it. It's not really about trans people simply existing. It's trans people, trans women and girls specifically, existing and wanting to be treated exactly as cis women, even if they are in the process of transing rather than actually having done it. It does create problems, it does create issues, and as long as the only answer is, Shut Up, that's not going to go away.

Thank you so much for proving my point, R76.

Whether or not you wish to respect a trans person's needs to be considered a women, the effect on your own life is fuck-all.

The entire election mess is such a tragedy. If only the Dems could take control of the House. They still haven't finished counting votes; however, it is likely that the Repigs will hold the House.

Can the Dems retake the House in 2026? I'm not so sure. Controlling both houses of Congress, Trump will get everything he wants in the first two years, so it will look like he's getting a lot done. Plus, a lot of Biden's infrastructure bill will start to take hold during Trump's term with many public works projects getting underway or being completed--and Trump will take credit for everything--every bridge repair, new road constructed, new manufacturing plant built, etc. And inflation, which is at just more than two percent right now and as expected will continue to ease in the coming year--and Trump will take credit for that too--and his stupid followers won't know the difference and will believe him.

I hope the Democrats can capture the House in 2026, but it's going to be quite difficult.

[quote]Plus, a lot of Biden's infrastructure bill will start to take hold during Trump's term with many public works projects getting underway or being completed--and Trump will take credit for everything--every bridge repair, new road constructed, new manufacturing plant built, etc.

I assume Republicans will claw back as much infrastructure funding as they can from Democratic districts to help pay for GOP priorities.

The dipshit rural assholes can thank Democrats for all of the high speed internet cable that was laid in the sticks the last year or so. I've driven across a lot of rural Nevada the last year, what do you think those trucks with the giant plastic spools are doing on the highway right-of-ways?

Will they thank us for getting their counties of a few thousand people high speed kink porn?

We can win back the House.

There’s a group of voters who go for Trump but they don’t vote in midterm elections.

[quote] There’s a group of voters who go for Trump but they don’t vote in midterm elections.

There’s groups that don’t vote in the general election either and Trump’s campaign got them to do it. People can’t count on Trump’s voters staying home in 2026.

If Dump croaks before the midter n s, his cult will come out in droves to vote for Republicans to carry on his legacy. Whatever that is.

^ midterms

[quote]Whether or not you wish to respect a trans person's needs to be considered a women, the effect on your own life is fuck-all.

Sometimes you take a position based on how an issue affects somebody else. You think every Obamacare supporter didn't have health insurance? You think there aren't men concerned about abortion rights?

[quote]Sometimes you take a position based on how an issue affects somebody else.

A lot of people do that, but then they are accused of voting against their own interest.

[Quote] There’s groups that don’t vote in the general election either and Trump’s campaign got them to do it. People can’t count on Trump’s voters staying home in 2026.

When Trump himself isn’t on the ballot, fewer of his supporters are motivated to vote.

The danger now is you have wealthy forces like Elmo Musk who are driving voters to support Trump. By any means they will ensure that Republicans always win.

Agree, R88. To all t hose who were optimistic about Trump dying and the GOP being in disarray after he departs, Musk and Theil will handle that.

A lot of how well the GOP will do in 2026 will depend on how well they deliver on campaign promises to the American people, with immigration enforcement and deportations being a big one.

The GOP took the trans issue and used it like a club, And the pictures of Dr Levine and the bad hair bad lipstick chronic luggage thief made really effective ads, And I mean really effective.

The gop would have been stupid not to use the trans issue like they did.

[quote]I don’t think Harris mentioned trans even once.

She didn't have to, with the Trump campaign running that specific anti-trans ad in the swing states thirty THOUSAND times at the cost of $41 million, so successful was it rated in their preview groups. It had the highest effectiveness rating, so they ran with it (literally) to great benefit to them.

[quote]Thank you. It isn't. And no one cited as a reason to vote for Trump in any voting data. Dropping trans rights will gain us nothing.

Unfortunately, some of the early exit data has shown the politically correct social agenda, including trans issues (specifically the sports issue, not general rights) was ranked in the top three of issues with the electorate they cycle. See the Exit Autopsy thread here on DL, there's a link to one set of these data. It mattered; it wasn't the top issue (Immigration and high prices were the top two) but it was up there.

I don't believe anyone is expecting Dems to drop basic Trans rights from their agenda. Equal treatment under the law, rights to employment, housing, schooling, freedom from bullying and discrimination in basic things - all of these will remain part of the platform. Most Americans, I feel, can get on board with the basic precepts/ They are about general fairness and dignity. It's the mandated pronouns, the interfering with sports unions rights to determine fairplay or other more fringe issues that irritate and upset the general public. Not hills to die on, as stated upthread.

Just announced: Dems just flipped a House seat in CA.

R93, that is because lies and shitstories were spewed forty from the GOP machine 24/7 for the past year. Hell, I’m sick of hearing of it on the DL and never voted for trump. People were sensitized to it as they heard WAY too FUCKING much about it.

Well r95, that's why both parties spent 100s of millions of dollars in advertising. It works, it has an effect on voters. And now there is social media, podcasters, influencers, and the like to add to the mix.

The GOP spewed lies as it always does, but what did the Dems counter with? When the Harris team was confronted by outsiders about the success of the anti-trans ads towards the end of the campaign, and the concerns over them, they were met with shrugs and handwaves. "We've got this, no worries" (per Andrew Yang the other night on CNN and Van Jones as well).

If people are so hell bent on voting with the Economy being their main issue, then fine.

Good luck Donnie and the Republican party keeping the economy strong for 4 years, cause it doesn't look like US voters are remotely forgiving on this issue

Factories are already announcing closings/moving out of the US in anticipation of tariffs.

*giggle*

NBC News just called Arizona for Ruben Gallego.

[quote] Factories are already announcing closings/moving out of the US in anticipation of tariffs.

If they do that while Biden is still president, why would Trump care?

[quote] NBC News just called Arizona for Ruben Gallego.

I guess better late than never for NBC News.

You pro Trans people are so disgusting it makes other people vomit. It doesn't matter it's .000000001% of the population. Trans ideologues have turned it into a very big issue. The cutting off the tits of girls and cutting off the balls of boys. Men playing find willie in girls' locker rooms and people being called bigots if they object. Puberty blockers? Are you kidding? It shouldn't have happened to one child.

AND FUCKING STOP SAYING BIOLOGY DOESN"T EXIST.

You are clearly thinking like creationists.

And it's fucking anti gay! It is already turning back the clock for gay rights! We are being lumped with (most) of these fetishists and you refuse to see it. You insist on being Woke so wake up!

Dems have to change a whole fucking lot. When Kamala has to pay a billionaire like Oprah a million dollars to publicly support her you know the Democratic party is a The Greatest Show On Earth train catastrophe.

Unfortunately for Dems, the Republicans can trot out the trans fear stuff every two years.

And the Dems want to live in 2040 but politely conduct themselves like it’s 1980.

Republicans trotted out gay marriage fear for decades. Being on the wrong side of history only works for so long

R82 Trump could not get them out in 2018 or 2022.

R105 if you read on more MAGA leaning forums you would realize that “ diseased gay fucks” is an attack term “ married gay fucks” I never saw once.

You are worried about the wrong stuff

[quote] Unfortunately for Dems, the Republicans can trot out the trans fear stuff every two years.

Fortunately for Democrats, they can stop it being as big an issue by compromising a tiny bit. Democrats could easily turn to condemning allowing biological men in women’s sports, and maybe a few other things, and be done with it. There will be people who will howl for a little while, but they will get over it and continue to vote Democratic. The problem is that Democrats refuse to compromise even a micron on any trans issues.

[quote]Fortunately for Democrats, they can stop it being as big an issue by compromising a tiny bit. Democrats could easily turn to condemning allowing biological men in women’s sports, and maybe a few other things, and be done with it.

They really don't need to even go that far. They only need to affirm their ongoing support for the basic human rights for Trans people, and affirm support for whatever the governing sporting bodies or sporting unions come up with for their individual sports, in terms of the matter. Novel idea! Back up the experts in the matter at hand, who know their subject areas best.

Different sports will have differing takes on the participation of trans people, and how it affects safety, competition, etc. - in some sports it may not matter much, in others the opposite. There's no way to have a blanket outlook on "all sports".

The people obsessed with transwomen are the same ones who go after bio women with "my body my choice" threats.

DL has at least one trans obsessed troll here. In my experience, when someone is that obsessed over a particular thing, it speaks to some deep seated inner turmoil within that person.

All the Dems have to do is being on record as voting against any of the heinous legislation the Reps will try to pass. I hope they do not waste their time trying to "work with" the MAGA run party. That works about as well as Charlie Brown trying to kick the football from Lucy. And let's see how the MAGAs like living with higher prices from tariffs, diseases from lack of vaccines, and businesses short-handed from immigrants being booted out en-mass. The Dems just need let the Reps hang themselves with all the rope they've been given.

R102 forgot to take his meds today methinks.

Revised: after viewing R102's posting history his meds DEFINITELY need adjustment.

[quote] The Dems just need let the Reps hang themselves with all the rope they've been given.

The Republicans had to have the same strategy, hoping that voters would have buyers’ remorse after Biden was elected. While that proved successful for Republicans, it’s still a risky strategy.

[quote] Unfortunately for Dems, the Republicans can trot out the trans fear stuff every two years.

The trans issue is dead. Trump will ban trans from the military again and ban surgeries for trans kids can claim victory.

The GOP can't use trans as the scapegoat in future elections because it would mean they did nothing about the "threat."

Instead there will be another boogieman ready. Anyone willing to take bets on whom it will be?

[quote] Fortunately for Democrats, they can stop it being as big an issue by compromising a tiny bit.

Dems should not compromise one inch. We NEVER ask for the GOP to compromise.

the issue will disappear as the economy tanks.

[quote] The GOP can't use trans as the scapegoat in future elections because it would mean they did nothing about the "threat." Instead there will be another boogieman ready. Anyone willing to take bets on whom it will be?

It would depend on what unpopular cause Democrats embrace between now and the next election. That’s what Republicans would capitalize on.

[quote]The Dems just need let the Reps hang themselves with all the rope they've been given.

Dems rode in on a blue wave in 2022 after Repubs overturned Roe. Didn't take much there - it will be an interesting two years in the run up to 2026. There will be so much low-hanging fruit to pick, imo.

Just ban bio men no matter whatever medical procedures they have had from women's sports and nobody is allowed any surgery until they have the proper tests and psychological treatment as adults. You need a rethug to tell you a child cannot consent to sex but they can consent to puberty blockers and physical mutilation? Yeah you do so you WANT to make them look good.

It's very very simple but pro trans ideologues have to turn it into a political issue when it is a private personal issue so that it clearly affects enough people to make gays look really bad and rethugs are using it as a cudgel to diminish gay rights. Don't allow trans to do it. These pro trans who want to fast track children to possibly very real catastrophic issues are totally insane. And I've known straight men who do drag, do not want surgery and who admit yeah I'm a man with a fetish. But they do not insist they are literally women. Those people who do insist are severely mentally ill or they are just rigging the system to get ahead when they are just men who are mediocrities. They belong in jail if they are exhibitionists if they insist on getting naked in women's and girls' spaces.

The Dem party has turned elitist and very stupid. It was very hard for me to vote for Harris and it should have been a no brainer. Don't blame the people who voted for Trump. Blame the Dems and the fuckers who had me banned so many times from DL more times than I can count because I was criticizing her. That's Democracy today! Dems have to change a lot. So many of you have turned into Sonny from the View. A totally narrow minded loon.

The main things I noticed on NextDoor which I have set to cover a large swath of neighborhoods is this: Crime—porch pirates, stolen cars, petty theft and homeless drug addicts. It was and still is a major issue for people and they are absolutely fed up. They feel the judges and prosecutors are lax as well. The other is taxes and price gouging.

[quote] The Dem party has turned elitist and very stupid.

Calling the Dems elitist makes no sense when the GOP's candidate is a billionaire backed by the richest man in the world.

[quote] The main things I noticed on NextDoor which I have set to cover a large swath of neighborhoods is this: Crime—porch pirates, stolen cars, petty theft and homeless drug addicts. It was and still is a major issue for people and they are absolutely fed up. They feel the judges and prosecutors are lax as well. The other is taxes and price gouging.

Crime tracks with the economy because poverty and wealth disparities are the catalysts for crime. As the economy continues to improve, crime will go down, except if such stark disparities continue. The GOP will only make the disparity worse

R122 what about all the tremendously rich celebrities who are going to leave the country because of Trump? I'm not looking forward to the next 4 years. I'm too old at this point to go through another 4 years of his presidency. But is Streisand(as ridiculous as she is I love her) really going to move to England? The woman is 82. Time is not on her side. And she is going to stay away from her fabulous Malibu estate, an estate that she has poured so much love and money into, for a good chunk of the time she has left? I'd like to see that because if she does it would be really dumb. And there seems to be a long list of these people who claim to want to move. And what if Vance wins the next election? Are they all going to be long term expats?

They might be fed up with crime, R121, but voted for a criminal who wanted to avoid jail and provided no concrete policies on how to reduce crime. Plus, Nextdoor was full of the same amount of paranoid crime posts during Donald Trump's first term. Plenty of unrest, mass shootings, violence and riots on the news back then. It makes no sense at all to act as if the country was so safe and secure under Trump. That's a steaming pile of bullshit.

On taxes and price gouging, Kamala actually had a plan to try to keep companies who manipulated prices in check. Trump's only tax policy was cutting them for the richest Americans. But once again, that's apparently what the voters wanted, so let them have it. This will be a learning experience in how to not fuck yourself and your country over by electing unqualified, morally deficient candidates into office and giving his personality cult control of the other branches of government.

dEMOCRATZ aRE eLITIST!

No, R120, you got your dumb ass banned because of your continuous attacks on trans people that were straight out of the christo fascist handbook. You continuously and repeatedly voice your opinions and then get pissed when people on here refuse to accept your regurgitated horseshit as scientific fact. And like any misguided/crazed zealot, you keep doing the same shit over and over again and expecting different results, the very definition of crazy.

That was only a part of what I said. I was also harshly critical of Harris. So if both got me banned that just shows me how intolerant people like YOU are. Don't think you are such a tolerant good person. If you were violently objecting to what I was saying it just shows your lack of knowledge about Harris and the Trans situation. It does no credit to you and is nothing to be proud of. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself defending trans ideology today which affects not only boys and girls but gays as well.

You know absolutely nothing which I can say with absolute certainty which is only stressed by you saying 'continuous attacks on trans people that were straight out of the christo fascist handbook. You continuously and repeatedly voice your opinions and then get pissed when people on here refuse to accept your regurgitated horseshit as scientific fact.'

Honestly how can you be so loathsome thinking that it's ok to mutilate children. How can you be so loathsome to think it's ok for men to compete in women's sports and invade women's spaces?

In total just how can you be so loathsome? You lack total self awareness so you couldn't possibly answer that question. ' Straight out of the christo fascist handbook, 'regurgitated horseshit.' You are a joke.

You completely ignored that I said it is fine for adults to transition with proper mental and medical care. That in the past I was a trans supporter but I cannot in any way support the gaslighting that is going on in the trans community today. And in no way can a bio man turn literally into a woman. That is decided at conception and none of us has any control over that. If that were the case I can say inside I feel like a young Dana Andrews so I AM a young Dana Andrews. And if you do think that bio men can become bio women or the opposite you are one crazy pup. Point that definition of crazy back at yourself.

We can but hope.

JHC I should have bought a Trump watch I’d have made some real coin. Not as much as the rocket ship dow since the election but I’d have made some money.

This Waltz Harris watch I got from the dnc is not worth shit now and has stopped working anyway.

How much was it R130?

R130 the Waltz Harris watch was $7.50 the Harris Waltz watch being the one that was not completely fucked up and got the order correct was closer to $10.

Trumps watch although a much better investment was $1000.

As they say you get what you pay for. I now have a loser watch.