Was the Presidential election hacked?

No. This election was a cultural reset.

BlueAnon

It's the economy, stupid.

And the media will not pursue this. They can't.

Cultural. Reset

No, it's not some conspiracy. It's rather simple. People saw Trump as his own, uh, "unique" character and voted accordingly regardless of how they voted for everything else.

It’s so hypocritical to claim fraud after mocking and arguing with Trump voters over it.

Fuck off

[quote]It’s so hypocritical to claim fraud after mocking and arguing with Trump voters over it.

Because to you it all boils down to "we can't bring up illegal actions if they accused us of those actions first?"

Oh do go fuck yourself.

If an investigation shows discrepancies in voting totals, that's called "evidence". You know, that stuff they talk about in courts?

The MAGATs filed 60 lawsuits full of psychotic, hysterical claims, with zero evidence to back them up.

Which was why 59 of those suits were laughed out of court.

The vote count does seem weird. Basically, they're trying to say that Trump retained nearly all of the support he got in 2020 and the Dems lost nearly a quarter of theirs. They're trying to say that Kamala underperformed in literally every district in the country. And as we went through the runup to election day, I was wondering where all the sturm and drang regarding the voting machines was.

I hope that the lawyers who were preparing for all of Shitler's challenges are instead focusing on an analysis of the vote and determining when, where and how they cheated. Not that it will do much good; DonOld will just have his SCOTUS declare any challenges invalid and that will be that. But at least we'll know.

OP, you could have put a "sufficient evidence to investigate" option in your poll.

They could have every citizen who voted go to their city hall and vote by hand and it would not change the results. Stop with the excuses. Get rid of the people who came up with the campaign and restore common sense to the party.

It’s RACISM, MISOGYNY and HOMOPHOBIA.

If we had any solid proof, that would help. Otherwise conjecture is silly. Many claim they left the top vote blank (They’re stupid but not criminals)

ATLANTA (AP) — An effort to access voting system software in several states and provide it to allies of former President Donald Trump as they sought to overturn the results of the 2020 election has raised “serious threats” ahead of next year’s presidential contest, according to a group of experts who urged federal agencies to investigate.

The letter sent by nearly two dozen computer scientists, election security experts and voter advocacy organizations asks for a federal probe and a risk assessment of voting machines used throughout the country, saying the software breaches have “urgent implications for the 2024 election and beyond.” The breaches affected voting equipment made by two companies that together count over 70 percent of the votes cast across the country, according to the letter.

Oh hey, look at that.

[bold]Harris Fundraising Fine Print Signals Recount Effort[bold]

[quote]The Harris Victory Fund—a joint fundraising committee that allocates contributions to her campaign, the Democratic National Committee and to state Democratic committees—quietly updated the information on its donations page on Wednesday morning. The donation page now says that a portion of money donated to the fund will be allocated to “Harris for President’s Recount Account,” signaling that Kamala Harris’s team is gearing up to watch the count of votes in contested states closely.

[quote]“This is a razor thin race. We need your help to make sure every vote is counted,” it says. The Harris campaign didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

[quote]OP, you could have put a "sufficient evidence to investigate" option in your poll.

True dat.

If they don't find actionable hard evidence, the results go unchallenged.

Is it true that 15 million Democrats didn’t vote in this election?

A lot of Deplorables didn't bother to vote in 2020, certain that Trump would win in a landslide against "that senile old man". This regret is what led to their rage, conspiracy theories and Jan 6th.

They're working on the next one

Anything is possible.

Yes and I am boiling over with rage

It wasn't hacked. People are just morons.

Anyone who's truly furious and wants to seek out very real reports of hacking incidents, you can start with thread linked below. Just start at the top and scan down. He posted at least three articles yesterday from three different swing states all with highly credible reports.

Also check out Cheri Jacobus Twitter X and YouTube.

R22 Both things can be true.

As long as Democrats keep blaming everyone else for losing their elections, the losses will continue. Isn't it clear that nobody bought or cared for all the stories of Russian interference, corruption, etc. that we tried to bathe the Republicans in? This is indeed a cultural reset: the majority is no longer buying what the Left is selling. They are sick of political correctness, the cancel culture, women and minorities as victims, men as heartless victimizers, Whites as everything that's wrong with our country, etc. etc. etc. (you know the etceteras). The press holds no credibility whatsoever anymore and neither do the politicians who always seem to be promising greater opportunities (for everyone other than you while you're expected to feel noble for supporting them.) No, the election was not hacked, they won fair and square and we better learn something from all of this.

SHUT UP MAGAT

R26 that photo that you keep posting, means nothing right now.

[quote]R1 (and others): cultural reset

That expression needs to get dumped, right now.

"Cultural reset" can be understood to mean cheating, depending upon who did the 'reset', and how it was done.

Twitter is full of this "the election was stolen" garbage. I'm horrified by it. Anyone who peddles this theory is an idiot.

This was a free, fair, safe and a meticulously managed and administered election. So was the 2020 election. End of story.

Analysis shows that there is a 6.6 point anomaly between the national exit poll and the final result. This is far outside of the margin of error which would be unlikely to be broken in a national poll anyway.

It is so far outside the margin of error that it strains credulity. There is no solid evidence of Republican voter fraud yet again as they’ve been doing for 24 years now, but there are certainly grounds for suspicion.

Much more work needs to be done before we can draw any conclusions, but the suspicious result means a careful examination to look for fraud is mandatory.

[quote]Twitter is full of this "the election was stolen" garbage. I'm horrified by it. Anyone who peddles this theory is an idiot.

Reason #152 to stay off X/Twitter.

How do the fuck do that many people stay home?

Wouldn't doubt it.

But it seems unlikely.

I keep thinking about this.

There are several million votes to be counted you idiots.

Actually I think it was hacked and Putin and Elon helped. It would be just like the Russians to do this in a way that would have the Dems looking foolish if they challenged the results.

Calm down. The GOP have prided themselves on being for "electoral integrity" so once they are in office, they can be counted on to perform a thorough and fair audit of the 2024 election results, excluding the presidential election, house and senate seats won by republicans.

I know nothing about this, but wouldn’t it helpful if they have checkpoints like number of ballots cast per hour at a machine. If something didn’t happen, we have to ask ourselves what the fuck just happened?

This guy worked for Obama and other gov't. agencies. He has sent a letter to Federman, Shapiro, The White House, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence, forgot his last name, and a few others about how the machines were hacked for this election.

The media= 🦗

Pal antir

Hacking an election is easy if the right elements are in place. First you need a really close election. Our news media helped create that. Then you need the technology which Elon helped provide. But you have to execute the pan correctly. Trump had the right hitmen in place to do that. Every state is divided into precincts. hundreds of thousands of them. And each precinct has a given number of votes which varies in each state. You chip away in the precincts at the ground level. Eventually you get to where you want to go. They did it in 2016. They perfected it in 2024.

Yes it was hacked and we can’t do shit about it

Putin wasn't involved this time. He does it more discreetly: 51 > 49, just hacking a few iffy states. So the losers can say, "Wow, we were thisclose...".

Whoever computer-hacked this does things in a BIG way. They wanted an over-the-top blowout.

[Quote]It’s so hypocritical to claim fraud after mocking and arguing with Trump voters over it.

This is exactly what the Republicans would want you to believe. You need to think a few steps ahead. You'd make an awful strategist.

I believe it was hacked and I'm sure all the dirt will come out at some point. Trump doesn't keep his friends for long and someone is going to spill the beans.

In Philly registrations were up, but turnout was down. Did people really just opt not to vote in the end?

I don’t think of myself as a conspiracy theorist and I had very little faith in the American people as a gestalt before, so I don’t doubt that it’s most likely legitimate.

But at the same time, something feels off. I can’t shake the feeling that there’s something happening that no one can quite see. And I’m not the only one, I’ve seen a lot of comments on social media about that. Something’s happened behind the scenes, but no one can put their fingers on it.

You’re being ridiculous, know that.

Of course it was hacked.

I don't discount that possibility, R49.

But I can't dismiss the feeling either.

The votes weren’t hacked but the election was. Russian trolls and bots infiltrated news and social media, and Russians called in bomb threats to Dem stronghold election sites. Who knows what else they did.

[quote]Russians called in bomb threats to Dem stronghold election sites. Who knows what else they did.

Let's not forget the incendiary devices placed in a couple of ballot boxes. I think these little incidents were a smokescreen to draw attention away from the REAL heist (the big steal) that was happening in cyberspace.

I also include the Russian TV news item mocking Melania (showing her nude pics) and Trump immediately afterwards in the same category.

I wish something really bad and embarrassing would leak about Elon Musk.

[quote]Russian trolls and bots infiltrated news and social media

Post some examples.

Which social media platforms? And exactly what did they do?

It was too easy. The win was too easy. No three-four-five days of counting (except for the House), no challenges, no squeak-by-a-hair states.

It was too fucking easy. Clean.

Something's wrong.

R56 I agree. And you know, Trump could hardly conceal it. He dropped a few hints in comments at his rallies. He stood there listening to music swaying to the tune as if he had nothing else to do. He even disappeared from the campaign trail for about ten days to "rest." His behavior through out the last three or four months of the campaign was irregular. Not Trump-like. He knew he was going to win. They definitely cheated.

So -- the real question is, is anyone going to pursue this? Or are we just going to lie back with our legs in the air?

We talk about Theil backing J D Vance, but Theil is huge in Data and Tech and AI. When you look at the combined resources of Theil and Musk all backing Trump ...and Putin... it was probably impossible for Trump to lose. My heart goes out to Kamala. Because she had to have some idea of the resources arrayed against her. Sheput her heart and soul into it and for 104 days she shined. I'm really glad we all had a chance to see her in action campaigning. I admire her and I always will.

Doesn’t something like that leave evidence behind? Would an audit of the process bear it out?

A recount of a precinct at the precinct level vs the final reported tally should be a clue if the data transfer was corrupted. I would think that would be a pretty easy catch.

Someone needs to be making some moves vs clutching pearls. Why the fuck isn’t homeland security doing anything?

I'm available for recounts. If not, see you in 2028!

[quote]Why the fuck isn’t homeland security doing anything?

Because there as no fraud.

Hmmmm. He won every single swing state. Every one. 🤔

^ That's what happens when people vote for you.

I'm seeing people who know the voting systems making some interesting points:

a. the voting machines are VERY difficult to hack, nearly impossible. the system used to tabulate votes, not so difficult.

b. it should be relatively easy to show proof if a comparison of paper votes against the tallied votes in a district is way off.

c. it's gonna cost money to do these recounts. I suspect if there's something in the works we'll hear about it this week.

The fact is Democrats just don't have a fanatical movement of supporters willing to organize a "Stop the Steal" style rally at the Capitol on January 6, 2025 to try to disrupt the counting and certification of electoral votes. By fanatics, I'm talking about the ones who would be willing to take on all the extra security that has been added since 2021, threaten politicians, risk arrest, injury or death because they believe the election results were manipulated.

After typing that last part, the realization that the fucker who caused all that chaos is going to be back in office again is absolutely disgusting.

Two things can be true simultaneously:

1) Our brains are pattern recognition machines, and constantly try to make order out of chaos. We have a tendency to connect dots, because we evolved to be suspicious. The caveman that mistakes the shadow for a lion is more likely to pass on his genes than the one who mistook a lion for a shadow.

2) Something about all of this feels off. As much as that is a definite consequence of the first point, as we attempt to make sense of something that doesn’t make sense, I cannot shut down my feeling that there’s something we’re not seeing.

Stick to cruise ship reviews. TIA.

Cosplaying Kari Lake is not your strong suit. It was a a free and fair election in every state. As documented here on DL, and in the real world, there ate very simple explanations for why voters shifted the way they did. A rigged tabulation is not even remotely possible.

Move on.

Notice I didn’t say anything about a rigged tabulation, pumpkin.

The only thing I said that is that something feels wrong. And that it might well be the case of connecting dots that don’t actually connect.

Brush up on your reading comprehension. TIA.

[quote]Something about all of this feels off.

It does feel that way..

And that feeling will remain until you make peace with the fact that the majority of voters just aren't into Democrats.

Then what is this “connection?”

In an election where African-Americans felt under siege (Jan. 6th, Charlottesville, etc.)... and there was a bi-racial candidate running... they just said, "Eh. I'll sit this one out"?

Turn out was down in many places. And it was up in many other places.

Springfield, OH elected Turd/Shady with a 64% margin- 20% higher than 2020. You know, the city where they made up lies, demonized immigrants, and caused bomb and death threats? Ruined schools, couldn't have their festival they have yearly, shops were on edge and still?

What will they do when the factory workers they so desperately needed are shipped back to Haiti?

You know, this isn't really about illegal immigration so much as it is about redefining citizenship for POC. Think about that as you mull over the strong possibility that Stephen Miller will be the Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy.

[quote]You know, this isn't really about illegal immigration so much as it is about redefining citizenship for POC.

What does that mean?

It means he’s not very bright, the poster I mean.

R75 is going to come back and tell us birthright citizenship is on the chopping block. 🙄

We really have a Trumpanzee working overtime in here.

Some of you are heading down the road to election denial. That's a mental rabbit hole that's hard to escape from. I suggest avoiding it.

Exactly ^

A fool’s errand.

Trump at his rally was saying that he had enough votes, he already knew it was rigged

lolz at Stuttering John

We have no way of knowing. It does seem weird that in 8 states they voted my a majority to restore abortion rights, a majority vote to in Florida but not the needed 60%. and then put the people back in office who want to ban it nationally.

That’s not strange at all. They voted against the incumbent because they were mad about X and Y. The end.

[quote] Some of you are heading down the road to election denial. That's a mental rabbit hole that's hard to escape from. I suggest avoiding it.

For the cheap seats in the back:

I had very little faith in the American people as a gestalt prior to the election, so I don’t have problems believing that collectively, we are awful enough to elect a demagogue, now matter how high minded our supposed ideals.

But my brain is trying to make sense of reported record enthusiasm and a low turn out. It’s also trying to make sense of some of the ticket splitting. Does that add up to malfeasance? No, of course it doesn’t. A does not automatically beget B. I do not think automatically think that there is clear evidence of fraud. But I don’t want to discount the possibility.

We seek patterns. We don’t always perceive them rationally. I freely grant that I may be doing that. But I also think that it’s worth discussing.

I find 9/11 Truthers quite tiresome, and perhaps I’m becoming a version of that or “just the guy asking questions.” But 9/11 was also pretty thoroughly investigated, and we’ve heard from people within and without of the government explaining a lot of what we saw. It’s very likely that the same thing would happen with this election if it was subject to that level of scrutiny. But at the moment, I don’t discount anything.

Think of me what you will. That’s where my head is at.

There are no dots needing connection. Enough voters were very unhappy, for various reasons (whether somewhat rational or irrational), that they went for the other guy. As to historical models of voter behavior, this result is entirely consistent with the history of “change” elections at the top of the ticket. The relative “success” at the Senate and House level is also entirely consistent with the history of split tickets.

The anomaly of electing Trump is that, as a person, he’s so utterly distasteful—but that obviously, twice now, wasn’t determinative.

Here’s your “hack” VOTN

Take a cruise and relax

^^I don't believe this. I believe the excitement and sentiment for Kamala was so exponential it out rode this. The numbers make no sense. Check out this link

Trouble is, even if there were undeniable proof, nobody wants to do fuck all about - because they’re afraid of the domestic terrorists they refuse to arrest.

Fucked all the way around.

Fuckers KNEW about this for FOUR YEARS and did NOTHING to prevent it.

"Here is what you are seeing. The Tabulation Systems at the County level were hacked far in advance of the election. The hack was probably written into the code even before the code was installed. It will have a WHEN function and IF/THEN functions to have the machine force balance to a given outcome within a specific window of time. You could test the machines 1000 times before election night, and the result will be correct. If you run it during the time window, the force balancing will be turned on and regardless of inputs you will get a programmed output.

"It is very simple to prove this. Take the two most outlandish precinct results from any county and just hand-count the ballots. They won't match the tabulation outputs. From what I am seeing, you will find 8-11% avg. shifts from Dem to Rep. Be sure to check heavy Red areas, easier to cover up a run up of the score. That was how it was done in Ohio vs. Kerry - GOP flips in already highly red areas.

"Now, why the Bomb-Threats? They were NOT to allow for hacker access. The programming was already in place, they were to break Chain of Custody and produce legal grounds to not trust a recount. Every place that GOT a bomb-threat is a place the courts will now have to consider the factual argument of whether the ballots COULD have been tampered with while the evacuations were going on. They weren't. But that is the argument the GOP will make to prevent recounts."

[quote]There are no dots needing connection.

How very Big Brother of you. Thank you for telling us how to think.

[quote[Here’s your “hack” VOTN

For the love of God, I've never used the word "hacked." I've even said multiple times that this is probably just coping mechanisms, but I still find the results curious and I'm keeping an open mind. Doesn't mean that I've got a bulletin board with red string in my office.

You sure posted like it…just sayin’

[quote]To achieve success in the action Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them.

--Kremlin Presidential Aide Nikolay Patrushev

R91 where is this information coming from. It seems very plausible to me.

You seem very nuts.

R95 I was just gonna post that. I will anyway because it's from a different source.

It is normal for presidential races to have more votes than Congressional races, so that in itself is not proof. You have to look at the patterns by precinct. Did larger precincts have a different range of outcomes than smaller precincts?

Recounts where? Lunatics in this asylum.

R99 the person who made the comparisons specifically mentioned that the patterns were erratic enough to call attention. This is compared to previous voting years in the same county.

R99 - in this case we're talking more congressional votes than presidential ones.

In all 7 swing states.

Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

R102 EXACTLY!

I just read that George Clooney is now receiving backlash because Kamala lost. If not for George pointing his finger at senile old Joe Biden, Uncle Joe would have gone on to beat Trump.

It's all George Clooney's fault!

Now, if Clooney joined the group demanding a recount, and they actually found evidence for probable cause, Clooney would be cleared of all responsibility. Kamala's loss wasn't his fault after all!

If they found nothing, he'd be forgotten.

Seems like an easy choice to me!

I’d like to know how to find a conspiracy theory site that deals with the 1% taking over the world. Because it’s not really a conspiracy theory and I want more info. Trump is part of it so I’m not interested in MAGA stuff. Everything else seems well hidden.

They're blaming everyone from George Clooney to Sam "non-binary knicker nicker" Brinton

Not "hidden" at all.

I'm blaming Muskhole, Putin and maggots.

THAT is where the blame truly lies.

R108 speaketh Truth. When Donnie stood up there at his rally and said something like, " We don't need anymore votes we're gonna have so many votes..." He was speaking the truth.

And yet CRICKETS from homeland security, the FBI, CIA or anyone else who SHOULD have been paying attention and PREVENTED this travesty.

Fucking useless cunts. Hope their departments are eliminated. They obviously don’t DO anything to protect us, anyway.

Why bother caring at this point. No one can ever prove anything in this country. Everyone is gaslighting. There are no consequences for anything. No one gives a straight answer. Everyone is a hypocrite.

Something stinks. Because Elon Musk was fucking around with his Starlink satellite, which our own DoD uses, and doing favors for Putin with it in terms of Ukraine, as well as talking to Putin multiple times that we know of, and J.D. Vance was hand picked by Theil. Theil and Musk talk to one another and given t he expertise and the background of both those pigs the DoJ and the CIA should have been all overv it. Especially Musk. How the fuck can we expect to maintain a democracy when there is no law and no accountability. WTF happened to

Please read this thread which, fortunately, has been gaining steam but not nearly enough. It doesn't have to be over!

We are breaking Timothy Snyder's On Tyranny Rule 1: Do Not Obey in Advance.....That is exactly what we're doing. We're giving in!

We have 2 months left!

Trump said all along he was going to cheat. And he did.

R113, I hear you, but I have a very bad feeling about this. I think whatever we do is just delaying by pushing back against the inevitable. They do not play by our rules. They have shown that they can find members of Congress, and Judges, and wealthy business people, who will do whatever they need done and fuck rules and norms and tradition and ethics. They do not care. They will bend the rules and break the law with impunity. We have seen it. It's not going to get any better. What we're dealing with is a man who is a convicted f elon, who incited an insurrection against our country, and who was elected President of the United States anyway. Why was he even allowed to run for office? Our justice system is fucked up.

Well, gutless Schumer and the rest can roll over and play dead, begging the thugs for mercy, but I say fuck that bullshit!

Schumer and his spinelessness ARE the problem!

Fuck the thugs! If they cheated, it should be laid care for the world to see. Let their every move be illegitimate, just like their bastard lives.

We are letting criminal cabals take over everything for the sake of good manners

Interesting...

Schumer has always been a weasel. Dick Durbin introduced a usury bill ot kill the payday l oan industry and Schumer killed it.

Watching R118's video, I FUCKING HATE GYM JORDAN Like I cant fucking stand it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This entire presentation is worth watching.

However, I recommend you begin at the 33:30 mark, watch to the end, then start at the beginning.

Trying again

It's on YouTube

LETTER TO VP KAMALA HARRIS:

Dear Vice President Harris, We write to alert you to serious election security breaches that have threatened the security and integrity of the 2024 elections, and to identify ways to ensure that the will of the voters is reflected and that voters should have confidence in the result. The most effective manner of doing so is through targeted recounts requested by the candidate. In the light of the breaches we ask that you formally request hand recounts in at least the states of Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. We have no evidence that the outcomes of the elections in those states were actually compromised as a result of the security breaches, and we are not suggesting that they were. But binding risk-limiting audits (RLAs) or hand recounts should be routine for all elections, especially when the stakes are high and the results are close. We believe that, under the current circumstances when massive software breaches are known and documented, recounts are necessary and appropriate to remove all potential doubt and to set an example for security best practices in all elections. In 2022, records, video camera footage, and deposition testimony produced in a civil case in Georgia1 disclosed that its voting system, used statewide, had been breached over multiple days by operatives hired by attorneys for Donald Trump.2,3 The evidence showed that the operatives made copies of the software...

Her campaign has been emailing raising funds for recounts as we speak.... I think she has until December 15?

Yes, r125. AND, they are still counting votes in PA. The Senate race was so close that an automatic recount was triggered.

This isn't about hacking per se but it is about the massive disinformation campaign Musk et al implemented against Kamala to drive her numbers down, and it worked. It was evil. Read t he entire article please. I copied as much as I could.

Washington Post November 15, 2024 by Josh Dawsey

"Muslims in Michigan began seeing pro-Israel ads this fall praising Vice President Kamala Harris for marrying a Jewish man and backing the Jewish state. Jews in Pennsylvania, meanwhile, saw ads from the same group with the opposite message: Harris wanted to stop U.S. arms shipments to Israel.

"Another group promoted “Kamala’s bold progressive agenda” to conservative-leaning Donald Trump voters, while a third filled the phones of young liberals with videos about how Harris had abandoned the progressive dream. Black voters in North Carolina were told Democrats wanted to take away their menthol cigarettes, while working-class White men in the Midwest were warned that Harris would support quotas for minorities and deny them Zyn nicotine pouches."

"What voters had no way of knowing at the time was that all of the ads were part of a single, $45 million effort created by political advisers to Tesla founder Elon Musk who had previously worked on the presidential campaign of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), according to a presentation about the group’s efforts obtained by The Washington Post."

"The project, funded with anonymous donations, micro-targeted messages across the battleground states, often with ads that appeared to be something they were not — a tactic the organizers sometimes referred to internally as “false positives.”

With digital spots, direct mail, text messages, influencer marketing and mobile billboards, the overall project was a high-tech experiment in misdirection — an old political tactic that has been sharpened in recent decades with increasingly precise targeting techniques.

With digital spots, direct mail, text messages, influencer marketing and mobile billboards, the overall project was a high-tech experiment in misdirection — an old political tactic that has been sharpened in recent decades with increasingly precise targeting techniques.

Ads tested better if Muslims felt they were seeing a message meant for Zionists, “Bernie bros” felt they were hearing from the far left, and “Zyn bros” felt they were hearing from activists who wanted “a world without gas-powered vehicles,” a ban on fracking and affordable housing for undocumented Americans — policies Harris did not actually support during her campaign.

The entire effort grew out of research by Building America’s Future, a conservative political nonprofit that was founded during the first Trump administration by Republican consultants Generra Peck and Phil Cox. With others at P2 Public Affairs, Peck and Cox, former advisers to DeSantis, were top strategists for a separate effort, America PAC, the super PAC funded by Musk to support Trump. Musk donated to Building America’s Future in 2022, according to a report in the Wall Street Journal. The group’s leaders have declined to comment on their donors."

The article is longer and definitely worth reading. They spoke anonymously mostly but they said a lot. People like this can't help but brag when they are successful. Not only is it worth reading, PLEASE read it.

(R125)

That doesn't preclude actual vote hacking, which we know the republicans have been working on, sometimes successfully, for thirty years.

Why don’t Democrats do target voter suppression? We should. Fuck this nice shit.

Kick them in the cuntbone. Tell them the TRUTH with targeted ads.

Seniors in Florida- dick rot perpetrated the biggest Medicare fraud in HISTORY and wants to take away YOUR social security. So does the orange cunt.

Micro target these idiots with the TRUTH and get them to stay home. Why not? Fair is fair

With the leaky and uncontrolled nature of Trump administrations, does anyone else see a scenario where after taking office, he eventually pisses off the wrong person/people and they disclose credible evidence of irregularities or attempts to manipulate the 2024 election results that could be traced back to Trump, the Trump campaign or his inner-circle? It wouldn't necessarily have to be enough to alter the national outcome, but significant enough to trigger a scandal that would potentially require investigations at the state or local levels. He'd never resign, but it would consume much of his presidency and tarnish his legacy. This country has gone through worse in its history, so if real evidence exists beyond internet-level conspiracy theories or 2020 QAnon-style bullshit, doesn't the truth usually come out?

Just a thought.

R130

1) It's too late for that now.

2) I honestly don't believe Democrats are chemically wired that way. To be really cynical, Republicans are born criminals, but Democrats are born diplomats. It just goes against their nature.

It's kind of why the ones I trusted the most to get us out of this mess, are the former Republicans who migrated to our side. Like Michael Steele, David Jolly, David Frum, Cheri Jacobus, Nicolle Wallace, (i want to see Steve Schmidt but won't for reasons known to him).

They clearly have a better understanding of the thought processes and know better strategies for beating them. And more willing to follow thru if given the opportunity.

But it might be too late for all of us good guys.

[quote]Seniors in Florida- dick rot perpetrated the biggest Medicare fraud in HISTORY and wants to take away YOUR social security.

People who have lived in FL for awhile already know this -- it's the newcomers from "up North" who are clueless.

But Scott's been winning here for so long it's one of the reasons I believe Florida's elections have been rigged for at least 20 years.

Senior Les, is that also true of Ron DeSantis in 2018 and Lil Marco's last election?

Eh -- people here actually liked DeSatan, R134, but I have no idea why. Little Marco I can't speak to, because I've never heard anyone talk about him at all. Perhaps if I lived in South Florida, I would.

I live in LA. I used to walk my dog with a senior lesbian. (not so senior then).

She used to live in a house once lived in by a famous tv actress. She moved to Florida. Just wondrin' .....

Sorry, R136 -- if I lived in CA and had that kind of money, do you think I'd be living in a ratty trailer in FL?

At this rate, I can't even afford to live in any other part of FL.

Senior lesbian, I have only recently become aware of your presence, (I rejoined the threads a few months ago). Therefore, I didn't know you lived in a ratty trailer. Sorry, I guess.

R138 You never know on these threads. I actually did recognize an old acquaintance who had moved out of LA, someone I used to work with. It was an entertainment topic in the field he worked, and a turn of phrase in one of his comments made me certain it was him. I dropped a couple clues to my identity, he picked up on them. Sometime, at like 3am on a dying thread, he managed to slip in his email address We've been in personal touch ever since.

Even though my dog-walking lesbian buddy lived in a house formerly owned by a famous tv actress; (that was the clue in case you were her), it was the house tv actress lived BEFORE she got famous, so my friend didn't have that kind of money either. :):)

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The margin of Trump’s supposed victory is essentially 237,000 votes. The odds of a single candidate winning all 7 swing states is astronomical. Unless the Democrats do the smallest due diligence to verify the soundness of the election results, they will not have the trust of disenfranchised and disheartened voters enough to make any headway in 2026. #swingstatehandrecount

Trump won by the smallest margin in 24 years.

Yet 89 million registered voters didn't bother to show up?

Especially AFTER all of the record breaking early voting turnout, r142!

Record breaking turnout, yet the LOWEST voter turnout in history? I’m no math wiz, but even I can see that’s not jiving.

We need an AUDIT. What happened to those votes? My bet is the transfer from precinct up to county up to state is corrupted.

Remember, those cunts broke into voting machines in 2022. It wasn’t to “prove” voter fraud. It was to find out how the internal software worked, so it could be fucked with at the handoff.

Those machines aren’t connected to the internet but they ARE connected to EACH OTHER at the county level. When the precinct machines are returned to the county to be officially counted, THAT step could be fucked.

Audit the machines vs hand count the ballots. You’d only need to do a few precincts to see if there were issues.

Starlink

"Musk is guilty as Fuck!"

Cyber-security experts across America are raising the alarm of wide-scale election fraud securing Trump’s victory — and the data is compelling.

Two open letters penned by computer scientists and hacking experts have detailed how the USA’s election software was compromised and the relatively simple hack which could have then been used to fix the results in the seven swing states. They are calling for an immediate hand recount in key precincts which, they say, should swiftly show that a number of these ballots never existed.

There are already numerous articles online stating that this is a left wing conspiracy, and Elon Musk himself has warned that those raising concerns about the “hoax” will face “the hammer of justice”. However, the articles debunking these concerns have only focused on the claim that Musk used his internet service Starlink to steal the election. As detailed below, this is not what the cyber security experts are warning of — although Starlink may have played a ro;e/

Russia would have had to help them. Musk's team would drive that Tesla into a wall.

I'll say this. I really am offended by all the Politicians touting the "peaceful transfer of power" and honoring the Constitution. We have just been taken over by Extreme Right fascists who answer to a foreign government who happens to be an adversary of ours. If I were Biden I'd be petitioning the Nato members to come in and help us. Trump talked about a purge? I'd give him his purge.

Uncounted ballots in Michigan