Top religious authority in Gaza issues fatwa condemning Oct 7

Maybe before the thousands of people had been killed was the time to speak out.

Fuck Hamas and fuck jihadism.

When does he get killed? I have an advent calendar with them all on it.

Keep bombing. It's the only fucking thing these bullies understand.

OP, you are mischaracterizing the argument. Shame on you.

[quote]Not because the massacre was wrong, but because the cost was too great.

Which, disturbingly, is exactly why Israel has always responded with massive retaliation. Back when it was under constant threat from Arab nations, such responses were the only thing that made any of them pause. Now, it's all but policy to teach people a lesson for such incursions.

You can bet that even Hamas, let alone other Arab nations, are thinking twice about attacking Israel.

I'm not going to say he's late. But the horse hasn't so much already bolted from the stables at this point as it has run across 3 continents ands been eaten by the French.

[quote] OP, you are mischaracterizing the argument. Shame on you.

Can’t be bothered to point out how?

[quote] You can bet that even Hamas, let alone other Arab nations, are thinking twice about attacking Israel.

I'm sure that's true, but no more bombing and killing is going to make the point any stronger. At this point, it's just mindless, braindead slaughter for its own sake, and Israel should stop that shit. Whatever point could be made, has been made.

Major reasons he opposed the Oct. 7 attack on Israel:

[quote] Dr Dayah points to Quranic verses and the Sunnah that set strict conditions for the conduct of jihad, including the necessity of avoiding actions that provoke an excessive and disproportionate response by an opponent.

[quote] He also stresses that Muslim leaders are obligated to ensure the safety and well-being of non-combatants, including by providing food, medicine, and refuge to those not involved in the fighting.

[quote] “Human life is more precious to God than Mecca,” Dr Dayah states.

As I read the summary, he is not including non-Muslim combatants in his concerns. If he were, Oct 7 would not be a difficult problem or require a reasoned fatwa since the targets were mostly and quite intentionally non-combatants

[quote] Dr Dayah argues that the significant civilian casualties in Gaza, together with the widespread destruction of civilian infrastructure and humanitarian disaster that have followed the 7 October attack, means that it was in direct contradiction to the teachings of Islam..”

[quote] Hamas, he says, has failed in its obligations of “keeping fighters away from the homes of defenceless [Palestinian] civilians and their shelters, and providing security and safety as much as possible in the various aspects of life... security, economic, health, and education, and saving enough supplies for them

Notice his concerns are expressly with civilians IN GAZA.

I think you are misreading the reference to “non-combatants” too broadly.

^Non-Muslim non-combatants.

[quote]I'm sure that's true, but no more bombing and killing is going to make the point any stronger. At this point, it's just mindless, braindead slaughter for its own sake, and Israel should stop that shit. Whatever point could be made, has been made.

Has it though?

Not that I agree with what Israel is doing, but a key element of this type of thing is to be unpredictable.

Setting aside whether Israel is doing the calculus correctly regarding world opinion and the trade offs they're making, a key element to this type of strategy is the make the pain so awful AND unpredictable that the other side won't be able to triangulate on how they'd respond to future actions. A measured response from Israel might lead Hamas to believe that they can predict futures responses and incorporate some notion of "acceptable losses" or collateral damage.

Now, if Israel rains down unending pain, there is no way to estimate what a smaller incursion by them might result.

No one in the world would ever have thought or believed that this would be Israel's response. The initial attack by Hamas would necessarily have included some thought to how Israel would respond. But, it's unlikely that any of the leaders would have thought it would be this bad for this long.

There is a twisted - and let's face it - immoral logic and strategy to this to deter future attacks on Israel. Of course, there will be years of blowback which no one can predict. I mean, did anyone think that arming and training Afghan rebels to fight Soviet troops would lead to 9/11 and all the military actions afterwards by the US - I doubt it.

Israel is not trying to make a point. It is trying to destroy Iran’s proxy armies on its borders.

[QUOTE]There is a twisted - and let's face it - immoral logic and strategy to this to deter future attacks on Israel. Of course, there will be years of blowback which no one can predict.

It's notable that he did this after Trump’s win. Could this be an "Oh, shit" type of backtracking knowing that neither Netanyahu nor Trump would hesitate to rain terror down on Gaza until it's suitable for beachside resorts? Surely, this religious scholar must have known Miriam Adelson gave Trump $100M.