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Iraq to lower age of consent to 9

Iraq is poised to slash the legal age of consent from 18 to to nine, allowing men to marry young children.

The proposed legal change also deprives women of rights to divorce, child custody and inheritance.

Iraq’s parliament, which is dominated by a coalition of conservative Shia Muslim parties, is preparing to vote through an amendment that would overturn the country’s “personal status law”.

The legislation, also known as Law 188, was heralded as one of the most progressive in the Middle East when it was introduced in 1959 and provides an overarching set of rules governing the affairs of Iraqi families, regardless of their religious sect.

As well as bringing down the legal marriage age, the amendment would also remove women’s rights to divorce, child custody and inheritance.

The governing coalition says the move aligns with a strict interpretation of Islamic law and is intended to protect young girls from “immoral relationships”.

The second reading of the amendment to Law 188 was passed on September 16.

It isn’t the first time Shia parties in Iraq have tried to amend the personal status law – attempts to change it failed in 2014 and 2017, largely due to a backlash from Iraqi women.

But the coalition now has a large parliamentary majority and is on the brink of pushing the amendment over the line, said Dr Renad Mansour, a senior research fellow at Chatham House.

“It’s the closest it’s ever been,” he told The Telegraph. “It has more momentum than it’s ever had, primarily because of the Shia parties,” he said.

“It’s not all Shia parties, it’s just the specific ones that are empowered and are really pushing it.”

Dr Renad added that the proposed amendment was part of a wider political move by Shia Islamist groups to “consolidate their power” and regain legitimacy.

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by Anonymousreply 102November 11, 2024 5:19 AM

Maybe we should have nuclear bombed them.

by Anonymousreply 1November 8, 2024 2:21 PM

The fundies are taking notes.

They aren't going to want the Michelle Dugars.

Hide the children before they collect them.

by Anonymousreply 2November 8, 2024 2:27 PM

No one should have expected that the short-term or long-term results of a Dick Cheney war would be good.

by Anonymousreply 3November 8, 2024 2:29 PM

Mission Accomplished!

by Anonymousreply 4November 8, 2024 2:29 PM

The Iraq Paul Bremer created.

by Anonymousreply 5November 8, 2024 2:30 PM

Sounds awesome!

by Anonymousreply 6November 8, 2024 2:31 PM

Horrific.

by Anonymousreply 7November 8, 2024 2:33 PM

I'm beating off at the thought in Hell!

by Anonymousreply 8November 8, 2024 2:36 PM

Whatever. If women won't even stand up for their rights in the US, why should I care about what the fuck is going on with girls in Iraq?

by Anonymousreply 9November 8, 2024 2:39 PM

That's QUITE a leap, from 18 all the way to 9. They couldn't even lower it to 14 or something reasonable? Are grown men actually marrying children? This is some truly fucked up shit.

by Anonymousreply 10November 8, 2024 2:42 PM

Project 2026!

by Anonymousreply 11November 8, 2024 2:45 PM

[quote]Iraq to lower age of consent to 9

I assume this only applies to girls and melons.

by Anonymousreply 12November 8, 2024 2:48 PM

All my life I believed in human evolution as an eternal onward and upward trajectory. I believed that we were evolving spiritually as a species. I truly 1000% believed this. I wasn't raised Christian but my mother was a New Age Bu Jew and many things I read and experienced growing up seemed to back up this idea that we were refining from base metal into gold, and aligning with the Light. Seeing the rise in animal rights, vegetarianism, alternative forms of energy, Obama getting elected, same sex marriage become legal, and many other hopeful things emerge, only solidified my belief in some sort of global spiritual evolution. With a love-and-light benevolent celestial choir of angels somehow pulling strings and nudging us towards greater love, tolerance and freedom.

Boy, was I wrong.

Perhaps time is a loop, and history is doomed to repeat itself over and over. The rise and fall of civilizations is the one constant. The "fall" part comes because human nature is to be selfish and short-sighted.

by Anonymousreply 13November 8, 2024 2:50 PM

Didn’t their beloved founder marry a girl at age 9? I may be wrong. Fuck this backward ass religion (and all the extremist Christian/Jewish ones too)

by Anonymousreply 14November 8, 2024 3:16 PM

Project 2025 approves!

by Anonymousreply 15November 8, 2024 3:20 PM

It legalizes pedophilia..

by Anonymousreply 16November 8, 2024 3:22 PM

what a perverted culture

by Anonymousreply 17November 8, 2024 3:23 PM

[quote]Islamist

Thats the key word here, and explains everything that has happened in the article

Fundamentalist Christianity is pretty horrible too for sure as the USA is about to find out, but fundamentalist Islam is even worse, and the proportion of fundamentalists within Islam is much higher than it is within Christianity or other major religions

[quote]Didn’t their beloved founder marry a girl at age 9? I may be wrong.

R14 you arent wrong

by Anonymousreply 18November 8, 2024 3:25 PM

Seems like something Muslims would do

by Anonymousreply 19November 8, 2024 3:26 PM

America: see your Trumpist Christo-fascist theocratical future right before your eyes.

by Anonymousreply 20November 8, 2024 3:26 PM

Western liberal democracy was an era whose time is coming to a close. The post- WW2 settlements and legal agreements held for a long time but that's coming to an end. Iraq is not a liberal country. Neither is Iran, Russia, North Korea, China, Turkey, or Hungary. Neither is Saudi Arabia, or Dubai.

by Anonymousreply 21November 8, 2024 3:28 PM

Yeah, R19 the difference is in the West it gets accessed on servers and encrypted browsers. Out in Iraq it's just more open.

by Anonymousreply 22November 8, 2024 3:29 PM

I don't like how they buried the other important pieces of this legislation - no divorce, no child custody and no inheritance for women.

In my mind, this is the bigger deal as this affects every single woman. We all agree that child marriage is wrong - but it's the enslavement of women into marriages that is the bigger deal here.

by Anonymousreply 23November 8, 2024 3:30 PM

[quote]America: see your Trumpist Christo-fascist theocratical future right before your eyes.

If you really believe that you are probably psychotic or very drunk.

Trump is an asshole but he is not pro-marriage at 9 years of age. Stop with the hysteria.

by Anonymousreply 24November 8, 2024 3:31 PM

Freaks.

by Anonymousreply 25November 8, 2024 3:32 PM

The inmates now run the asylum, R24.

Sorry you're too fucking ignorant to see that.

Perhaps when all of America looks like Berlin in May of 1945 you'll change your extremely small mind.

by Anonymousreply 26November 8, 2024 3:41 PM

America isn't Berlin in 1945. Trump is not a Nazi. He's a fucking asshole, he is not a Nazi.

Get off the internet and read this for context. And calm the fuck down while you are at it.

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by Anonymousreply 27November 8, 2024 3:58 PM

My point, R24/R27, your simplistic turd, is that Trump, like Hitler, is a deranged, psychotic egomaniac. Trump, like Hitler, thinks the world revolves around him and that he alone is capable of solving all the world's problems, if only people do as he says. Trump, like Hitler, demands total and complete allegiance to him and him alone, not to the country, but to him and that is what is considered patriotism. You're unpatriotic if you don't love Trump, just like Hitler thought Germans who didn't fully appreciate him were traitors. Trump, like Hitler, conflates his personal success with the success of the country. Like Hitler, Trump pays lip service to the working man, but Hitler outlawed labor unions and stole the money workers were having deducted from their pay for new Volkswagens for which not a single car was ever delivered to a worker. Trump will screw over the working person (or anyone else) as long as it puts money, power and prestige in his pockets. Just look at all the vendors he fucked over while operating casinos which were just covers for money laundering operations.

Again, since Trump is unable to differentiate between his personal success and the common good of all people, he'll lead the US down a path of destruction simply because he thinks he has a chance at success and is completely willing to gamble other peoples' lives put other people at risk to to attain his warped "vision."

In early 1945, Hitler ordered the entire destruction of what was left of German infrastructure because he felt Germans had betrayed him and they hadn't sacrificed enough or worked hard enough to fulfill his vision. Trump's delusions of grandeur will have the same outcome for Americans.

by Anonymousreply 28November 8, 2024 4:33 PM

[quote] If you really believe that you are probably psychotic or very drunk.

Np, he's not going to legalize child marriage in January but we are on the wrong trajectory. A sizeable part of his coalition is men steeped in the monosphere which has been bellowing about lowering the legal age, lowering the age of marriage and banning no fault divorce for years. They used to scream into the abyss. Now 'their guy' has been elected and 'their guy' appeared on their podcasts and many of the monosphere grifters have a direct line to Trump and his sons. If MAGA is not defeated in 2028 we will backslide and these things will become legal in red states. We are not that special anymore.

by Anonymousreply 29November 8, 2024 4:35 PM

How long before the age of consent is lowered to 9 in Michigan?

by Anonymousreply 30November 8, 2024 4:38 PM

...and?

by Anonymousreply 31November 8, 2024 4:40 PM

MAGA will not be defeated until Obama, the Clintons, and Beyonce and Clooney wake up and understand low-income people and non-college educated people's concerns and realities. They are playing 90s and noughties politics in a new era.

by Anonymousreply 32November 8, 2024 4:45 PM

Barak Obama and Clooney will happily scold the lower classes. And they dress really well. They both have that going for them. That's about all they can offer, though.

by Anonymousreply 33November 8, 2024 4:51 PM

Yes, the Dems would’ve won if only they trotted out more slobs like John Fetterman in his pajamas. Let’s start appealing to the pizza sauce-stained masses who show up to restaurants wearing sweatpants. Maybe in 2028 we’ll have a lineup of Democratic National Convention speakers wearing Crocs and hoodies.

by Anonymousreply 34November 8, 2024 5:03 PM

I don't believe that the lower classes are really voting on policy. They are voting on cultural issues and they are voting to send a fuck you to the 'elites' Their definition of elite has little basis in reality. Their economic expectations are not based on reality either and won't be met by Trump or anyone else.

I agree that the Obama people need to step away because they don't understand the enemy.

by Anonymousreply 35November 8, 2024 5:09 PM

American soldiers died for this?

by Anonymousreply 36November 8, 2024 5:10 PM

R32/R33, the Obamas, the Clintons and George Clooney understand the working class far better than Trump ever did or ever will. None of those people inherited tens of millions of dollars from daddy.

That you seem to be unable to distinguish between earned wealth and inherited wealth is quite disturbing.

by Anonymousreply 37November 8, 2024 5:13 PM

I’d be okay with Trump reinstituting the total Muslim ban.

by Anonymousreply 38November 8, 2024 5:14 PM

Nine? Pfft. Eight is too late

by Anonymousreply 39November 8, 2024 5:37 PM

Such a primitive, savage people.

by Anonymousreply 40November 8, 2024 5:46 PM

Say what you will about Saddam Hussein but he that country was much better off for woman under him. More reasons why the 2003 invasion was a huge mistake.

by Anonymousreply 41November 8, 2024 5:53 PM

Notice they select '9' because Mohammed married a wife at 9 years old back in the 7th century or whenever.

Actually I take that back - I had to look it up. That dirty fucker was 53 and married her at 6 and consummated the relationship at 9.

by Anonymousreply 42November 8, 2024 7:48 PM

Omg, R42! My brain just broke thinking about a 56 year old man fucking a 9 year old child.

by Anonymousreply 43November 8, 2024 7:56 PM

[quote]The proposed legal change also deprives women of rights to divorce, child custody and inheritance.

A woman's right to inherit was an innovation of Islam, ridiculous as it seems now. Getting rid of that would seem to be non-Islamic.

by Anonymousreply 44November 8, 2024 8:16 PM

Mohammed was a fucking psychopath and possibly also schizophrenic. He was basically the Jim Jones of his day.

by Anonymousreply 45November 8, 2024 8:46 PM

A six year old is in 1st grade, a 9 year old in 4th. Sick.

by Anonymousreply 46November 8, 2024 9:32 PM

P L E N T Y of straight American men would marry 9 year old little girls as well, if given the chance, especially those who are addicted to porn.

I am not a man hater by any means, but I refuse to look at them wearing rose colored glasses.

by Anonymousreply 47November 8, 2024 11:11 PM

[quote] P L E N T Y of straight American men would marry 9 year old little girls as well, if given the chance, especially those who are addicted to porn.

It would have to depend on your definition of P L E N T Y. It’s not a normal attraction biologically and most men would instinctively be repulsed.

by Anonymousreply 48November 8, 2024 11:16 PM

Yeah, there is a difference between teenage and THAT young. Girls that age can't reproduce.

by Anonymousreply 49November 8, 2024 11:33 PM

R14, as R42 stated, Mad Mo married Aisha at 6, and, honorable guy that he is, waited until she was 9 and had her first period before physically consummating the marriage with penetrative PIV sex.

Even before consummation, he was "thighing" her.

"Thighing" is a permitted practice in Islam for when a child is too young to safely have regular intercourse with. It involves holding the child's legs together and thrusting between her thighs until ejaculation.

Don't believe me?

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by Anonymousreply 50November 8, 2024 11:41 PM

[quote]"Thighing" is a permitted practice in Islam for when a child is too young to safely have regular intercourse with. It involves holding the child's legs together and thrusting between her thighs until ejaculation.

Sick fucking barbarians.

by Anonymousreply 51November 8, 2024 11:46 PM

R48, yeah… no. I disagree. Straight men aren’t repulsed by children. The incel movement is riddled by men who believe female children who are 11 years old should be able to marry adult men.

Do you remember that one incel who spotted an 11 year old girl either getting on or off her school bus, then started stalking her & her home, eventually kicking down the front door, killing her parents & kidnapping her, holding her hostage at his house, until she was fortunate enough to escape?

There are other men out there who would do the same, if the age of consent were lowered. You can easily find the creeps vacationing in Thailand & surrounding areas, specifically to predate upon children.

Lots of men out there are fucked up, just like women who become teachers, & start up “relationships” with little boys, while even going as far as getting knocked up, & having children with them.

I don’t pretend to understand why people do this, but there’s lots of evidence out there supporting the fact that they do.

by Anonymousreply 52November 8, 2024 11:49 PM

In Islamic societies this practice is condoned and they don't think anything is wrong with it. In Western societies it is illegal and considered sick and repulsive. That's the difference.

by Anonymousreply 53November 8, 2024 11:51 PM

R52, I assume you are not a man, so you don’t really know what you’re talking about, do you? You point out one man, which supports that it’s very unusual.

by Anonymousreply 54November 8, 2024 11:54 PM

Oh for fuck's sake most Western men are not attracted to children and think it's sick and criminal. Look at our laws. Look at how much prison time pedophiles get. Pedophilia is sickening in the West. Stop trying to equate the West with the fucked up Islamic societies.

by Anonymousreply 55November 8, 2024 11:56 PM

R54, I had adult men hitting on me or making inappropriate comments towards me when I was as young as 12.

I don’t have to be a man in order to understand that there are some real sickos out there.

And this isn’t about Western men versus Middle Eastern men. It’s about men. This is who some men are, and I’m surprised how some of you here do not grasp this.

by Anonymousreply 56November 9, 2024 12:00 AM

“We’re gonna go back to 1798. 1798? Doesn’t that sound crazy folks…. We’re gonna take the country back!”

by Anonymousreply 57November 9, 2024 12:03 AM

It's especially monstrous because many of those young girls will be used for a temporary marriage. From Brittannica: "mutʿah, in Islamic law, a temporary marriage that is contracted for a limited or fixed period and involves the payment of money to the female partner. Mutʿah is referred to in the Qurʾān (Muslim scriptures) in these words:"

It's religious child rape, and the girl is discarded and divorced quickly. Her life is now worthless because she is no longer a virgin.

by Anonymousreply 58November 9, 2024 12:15 AM

I’m surprised they’re considering this, R58.

The rest of the world will show zero mercy to a society that allows this. It could easily lead to a situation where no one would bat an eyelash if they were suddenly besieged & attacked by another country.

by Anonymousreply 59November 9, 2024 12:22 AM

Coming soon to a red state near you.

by Anonymousreply 60November 9, 2024 12:42 AM

So the straights can no longer accuse gays of being pedophiles, right?

by Anonymousreply 61November 9, 2024 12:44 AM

so what will this translate to in Michigan?

by Anonymousreply 62November 9, 2024 12:50 AM

That seems like no consent.

by Anonymousreply 63November 9, 2024 1:10 AM

Oh my gawd. I wish I had not read the link at R50.

That’s some of the most DISGUSTING shit I’ve ever read in my life.

I find it incomprehensible that any society on earth would condone something like that. Those are some SICK, SICK men.

by Anonymousreply 64November 9, 2024 1:27 AM

I wish we could find someone to just blow the whole world up.

by Anonymousreply 65November 9, 2024 1:33 AM

r23 child rape/marriage is worse

by Anonymousreply 66November 9, 2024 1:38 AM

Not surprised. At all. Their own spiritual god engaged in child rape.

Btw, it has always bothered me that child rape and molestation is called pedophilia. They do not love children anymore than a lion preying on a gazelle "loves" a gazelle.

by Anonymousreply 67November 9, 2024 2:10 AM

[quote] I wish we could find someone to just blow the whole world up.

We just reelected him to the White House. He'll do it soon enough.

by Anonymousreply 68November 9, 2024 2:15 AM

r67 I have heard some people say pedosexual. Although that makes it sound like a sexual orientation.

by Anonymousreply 69November 9, 2024 2:16 AM

For a moment I got excited.

Fucking sexist desert rats.

by Anonymousreply 70November 9, 2024 2:18 AM

Hot! Fresh, young pussy. Muslim men love that!

by Anonymousreply 71November 9, 2024 2:19 AM

Imagine marrying women who can double as living room drapery. Saves on laundry, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 72November 9, 2024 3:14 AM

Not just the sex but the pregnancy. Trigger warning: Sorry to bring up ob/gyn deets, but pregnancy and labor for a young girl is dangerous for both the girl and the fetus, when a child's pelvis is too small for a fetus's head to pass through. Complications are common.

[quote]“Girls go into labor for three days, four days, five days, and after that labor, usually the baby is dead. And then when the head is collapsed, then the baby is delivered,” said Dr. Syed, who is one of South Asia’s experts on the repair of obstetric fistula, a common outcome of obstructed labor in pregnant girls.

[quote]In nearly all these cases, the girl has developed vesicovaginal fistula, a hole between the wall of the bladder and the vagina. In a quarter of cases, the prolonged labor will also cause fistula of the rectum, so that the girl constantly leaks both urine and feces.

The NYT piece quoted was about a 10 year old in the U.S. who had to travel out of state for an abortion after being raped at age 9. The defendant, age 28, was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

In Shi'ite Iraq, the defendant could have just married another kid.

by Anonymousreply 73November 9, 2024 3:40 AM

R73 is there anything about Muslims that isn’t repulsive?

by Anonymousreply 74November 9, 2024 3:43 AM

It's never too early...

by Anonymousreply 75November 9, 2024 4:05 AM

They really start them young these days…

by Anonymousreply 76November 9, 2024 4:23 AM

Nein to nine.

Eight is great.

Seven is heaven.

Sixer's elixir.

Five? I'm alive!

Four I adore.

Three gets in free.

Two smells like poo.

One and I've won, but

Second trimester and you don't need to undress her.

by Anonymousreply 77November 9, 2024 4:24 AM

Tell me the story of Old Lady JonBenét again!

by Anonymousreply 78November 9, 2024 4:26 AM

It has nothing to do with being attracted to 9 year olds... it's about OWNING PROPERTY -- they want to OWN these women. And the earlier they take ownership the better...

by Anonymousreply 79November 9, 2024 5:17 PM

R73 thank you for your extremely informative, factual but utterly revolting post, upvoted

We need to confront the facts uncomfortable as they might be

by Anonymousreply 80November 9, 2024 5:20 PM

Trump needs to start deporting Muslims first.

by Anonymousreply 81November 9, 2024 5:24 PM

I've said it before, but this is one reason why Trump won in 2016. He promised a total Muslim ban, while Hillary was blabbering on about Americans having a duty to bring in more Syrians. All of this while the ISIS beheadings were happening daily and Obama refused to acknowledge that Islamic terrorism was a real thing.

by Anonymousreply 82November 9, 2024 5:48 PM

Such a bald faced liar R82. We were going to take in 10,000 Syrians just to support our European allies. Not like the 11 million people, including millions of Muzzies, let in by George W. Bush.

by Anonymousreply 83November 9, 2024 6:12 PM

Obama found Osama bin Laden. Bush couldn't see him because, well Bush let 9.11 happen, didn't he?

by Anonymousreply 84November 9, 2024 6:13 PM

This is what happens in America too—especially with those crazy Mormon splinter groups. Lots of young girls are “married” to old men

by Anonymousreply 85November 9, 2024 7:09 PM

[quote]especially with those crazy Mormon splinter groups. Lots of young girls are “married” to old men

And the men are arrested. It's illegal. Americans find that repulsive. That's the difference.

Stop trying to whatabout an insignificant percentage of American freaks with culturally sanctioned pedophilia.

by Anonymousreply 86November 9, 2024 9:13 PM

“He stole my heart at 7, and we had dinner by 8…”

by Anonymousreply 87November 9, 2024 9:30 PM

When Trump enters office, I hope he bans all Muslims. The Supreme Court will rubber stamp his orders.

by Anonymousreply 88November 9, 2024 9:33 PM

[quote]Trigger warning: Sorry to bring up ob/gyn deets…

R73 Forget the trigger warning, everyone should know the truth instead of consuming the candy-coated version.

by Anonymousreply 89November 9, 2024 10:15 PM

R88 is a brainless fool

by Anonymousreply 90November 10, 2024 11:11 AM

[Quote] Trump is not a Nazi. He's a fucking asshole, he is not a Nazi.

The problem is you’re defining Nazi after 6 million Jews were killed and Germany was destroyed. Trump most certainly wants to be a dictator with cult followers like Hitler had.

by Anonymousreply 91November 10, 2024 2:21 PM

I read the Wiki article at R50 and picked out this interesting quote from a fatwa about "thighing":

[quote]And as for all other pleasures such as lustful touch, embracing, and thighing (ﺍﻟﺘﻔﺨﻴﺬ), there is no problem in it even with a suckling infant.

And there you have it.

One more thing I wanted to add regarding the comment at R56: when I was 12, I had a man entice me into a garage (I don't remember how) and he put my hands around his penis. I got away. I had a neighborhood man entice me into his Hostess delivery truck who promised me some Hostess treat (I forget which one); he grabbed my breasts (I was already somewhat "developed" at that age), and I ran away. My parents even knew this guy, but I didn't say a word. I knew there would be all kinds of scandal and craziness, and my cold-as ice parents would hate all of that (my mom: "What will people say? What will people think?"). There was one more incident as well that I'll spare you.

Don't tell me -- or any woman -- straight men wouldn't fuck young girls if given the chance.

by Anonymousreply 92November 10, 2024 2:59 PM

There is NO CONSENT at the age of nine, REGARDLESS of culture.

Even lowering the age of consent to 15 would already be questionable and gross, 🤢 let alone trying to convince others that 9 year old girls are ready to marry or have sex….

Nasty ass fucked up country.

by Anonymousreply 93November 10, 2024 3:07 PM

R14 is correct. The age is being lower so muslim men can emulate their prophet of hate and death who married Aysha when she was 9. It happens anyway in many muslim countries, legal or not. Families sell their pre-pubescent daughters to old men for marriage. The world will remain silent and look the other why, as it always does when it comes to the religion of peace.

by Anonymousreply 94November 10, 2024 3:14 PM

I guess they were waiting to see if Trump won.

by Anonymousreply 95November 10, 2024 3:59 PM

R92 most likely why the guy targeted you. He knew your parents would care more about how it looks vs protecting you.

Child molesters are savvy.

by Anonymousreply 96November 10, 2024 4:20 PM

The Hostess guy's son, who got a job in AV at my high school years later, was a child molester as well. My dad knew about that, because the guy got busted. I never told my dad about my experience, though, and I wouldn't do it now that he's 88.

Thanks, R96.

by Anonymousreply 97November 10, 2024 4:35 PM

The prophet married a 6 year old and consummated the marriage at 9, thus the goal to normalize it. Horrifying.

by Anonymousreply 98November 10, 2024 5:48 PM

The "prophet" was more like a 7th century Jim Jones.

by Anonymousreply 99November 10, 2024 6:21 PM

The collective sigh of camels, goats and little boys across Iraq literally changed weather patterns after this news broke.

by Anonymousreply 100November 10, 2024 6:35 PM

R98 I wonder if that’s why Muslim leaders in Iraq chose that as the age of consent— because Muhammad had a 9 year old wife? It’s also been said he was in his 50s when he consummated the marriage. 🤮

by Anonymousreply 101November 11, 2024 4:37 AM

I still always find irony that the the news of their superior belief system has to be spread through Western technology.

by Anonymousreply 102November 11, 2024 5:19 AM
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