I just can’t fight anymore

MARY!

Jews voted 80% for Harris.

OP = Tina Turner.

There, there.

[Quote] Jews voted 80% for Harris.

Many Jews I know actually believe that Trump and the GOP will protect them better—just because now, seeing campus unrest and the war, the GOP, which never cared about Jews at all, suddenly see an opening and have become huge supporters.

White women deserve their misery and young female voters who avoid voting like the plague will be especially fucked. They will be the ones wailing the loudest, but I will just block my ears!

Agree OP. Focus on yourself. Get back to a healthy place. You can't control this. You can only control yourself. I too am done. I am expecting the worst and quietly living my life.

White people are the country's biggest voting block. Followed by Latinos.

If the Dems want to win, maybe they should make piece with that fact and work from there.

Let me guess...your "fighting" has consisted of voting, donating a couple bucks here and there (maybe) and some earnest social media posts around election time.

What a pretentious twat you are.

With you all the way.

[quote]People can get really sick because they can’t afford healthcare.

With RFK as Surgeon General, the ones who can't afford healthcare may be the lucky ones.

Looking forward to the inevitable recession after Trump cuts more taxes for the rich.

I'm fine with white trash starving to death

I don't entirely disagree. One of my takeaways from the election is empathy is for suckers.

Empathy and compassion were on the ballot Tuesday. America said “Fuck you.”

Draw the curtain.

R2 How is possible to know what percentage of Jewish people voted for Harris and Trump? I’m not being snarky, I’m genuinely curious.

Sorry but if 50% voted for Trump, that's another 50% that didn't vote for Trump. As in, 48% voted for Kamala and a few stray loonies voted "other." Am you asking me to stop caring about the half that voted against Trump? This is a really demented take. You are crushed because there are rude, coarse, low quality people in our country, and your answer is to become one of them?

That's a no from me, dawg.

Nah. Happy to retain my empathy and put my attention on the people and situations that I can affect positively. I am more guarded than I used to be, sure, but I am not going to dehumanize and spit on every other fellow human from now until the end of time, just because my team lost the Tug of War contest at Field Day.

When you heart grows cold, that's when they have truly won.

[quotes] When you heart grows cold, that's when they have truly won.

Their hearts are cold as ice and we haven't won shit. They won - bigly! When they lost they became nastier, angrier, they leaned into every prejudice and then they won again.

I wish we could retain our empathy but we need to win first.

[quote]Hurricanes can ravage cities

Not on my watch: we will nuke them before they reach cities.

Be guarded as fuck, be vigilant, be all the things. But to say you don't care about ANY women anymore, for instance, you sound like an incel. You sound deranged. Fuck the MAGA Karens, sure. But the women I know voted blue and have been utterly stunned and bereft all week. There is a lot of monolithing of groups of people on DL lately. ALL women, ALL white men, ALL Latinos. People voted. It was almost an exact 50/50 split.

Tantrum away, throw all your toys out of the pram if you must, but it's infantile. It's literally what infants do.

I hope things work out great for the country and a year from now we are posting about how great things have been,

USA USA USA USA :-)

[Quote] Sorry but if 50% voted for Trump, that's another 50% that didn't vote for Trump.

At least 12 million decided to sit this one out. They don’t care enough

[quote] But to say you don't care about ANY women anymore, for instance, you sound like an incel.

54% of women voted for Kamala. That means 46% didn’t care about the right to keep government away from their bodily autonomy.

If they don’t care about themselves, why the fuck should O care about them?

I have my fucking health insurance. If you voted to get rid of ACA, that’s on you

[Quote] Tantrum away, throw all your toys out of the pram if you must, but it's infantile. It's literally what infants do.

America acted like infants and that’s how they should be treated. Like a shaken baby

[Quote] It was almost an exact 50/50 split.

Worst, most vile human being in the world vs. someone who has ideas to improve America.

50/50. America is broken

We always make the mistake of thinking everyone else has access to the same info we do. There are probably tons of low-information voters who are barely getting by and think "oh, prices were cheaper back when ____ was president, so...." They don't necessarily say, "I'm going into the voting booth to fuck over women who may need an abortion in the future!".. I

I’ve decided to become a low information voter

Hilarious that the low information voters are the ones who complain the loudest about their life circumstances

Did any of these groups ask for your help? They all seem capable of advocating for themselves, without the handwringing of some old Queen.

R28 despite our constant never ending never stopping complaining we at DL are not all low information types. Lots of us sure. But not all of us.

r15, In NYC the results are posted almost block by block 4 or 5 buildings at a time makes up a specific area and you can point and click on every building. In Manhattan, Jewish, Black, Puerto Rican and all of lower Manhattan voted at least 70 percent Harris, the heavily Jewish UWS and Harlem were at 90. Dominicans voted around 30 plus percent for Trump. Pockets of Orthodox Jews went for Trump about 55 percent. Generally.

R22 and R24 Like I said, and one more time for the people in the back, it's okay to feel zero empathy for the ones who voted for Trump. It's dangerous rhetoric to say "ALL of America" gets what they deserve, or "ALL women" can drop dead now, because some of them voted for a shithead. They want us to turn on one another. They want us to fall into a pile of rubble and recede so that they can take over and recreate some half-remembered "golden age" when the Bible was in every hotel room, and people had to hide their uniqueness and conform. "Liberal tears" and all the rest. They fucking LOVE it when we "eat our own." And we do. Look at us, one minute crying with joy and relief that Kamala was taking over from Biden as nominee, and the next criticizing her campaign and all of its flaws, and how lame the Democratic party is, etc etc.

Don't you see? They want us to feel hopeless, helpless, powerless, permanently defeated. You are rolling over, just the way they want you to. When you turn not just on the enemy, but on your own people, of whom there are still roughly 50% on your team, then THEY WIN! Evil wins.

WTF they took bibles out of the hotels? When did that happen? It’s true I don’t travel as much as before but no bibles?

R32

R8 I could not understand why in recent years Democrats were mainly courting blacks and trans, while neglecting whites and taking Latinos for granted.

I need a date.

Toxic Masculinity

Now there is a woke term that should be buried fucking deep if the left ever hopes to win again.

I think if the Democrat party is going to win back the White House again they need to do a better job of understanding the American people. The party has lost its way. The messaging was all wrong. Even now after the election to just say "anyone who voted for Trump is evil or stupid" is exactly the wrong mindset. They need to dig into why. And then they need a platform that more people will support. Politics is strategic. Majority rules. So how can the Democrat party reinvent or reimagine itself to be more broadly appealing. They are never going to be able to change enough people to win. So how will they change in order to win? It's Political Science 101.

Pretty much the exact same number of people who voted for Trump in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. In fact, he's a tad under his 20 vote count but they're not done counting. Still, he's gonna end up in the 74 million total area. He didn't lose or gain any voters from 20. Same bunch of idiots.

Meanwhile, Kamala is a good 10 million under Biden's vote count in 20. She didn't lose those 10m to Trump or 3rd party voters. Basically, 10 million idiots chose not to vote.

That's the problem. Did they not vote because some far lefties were pissed at the Dems for supporting Israel? Because she's a woman? Brown?

Who DIDN'T vote and why? Instead of trying to reach and convert Trump voters (which is a waste of time and effort) the Dems really need to dive down deep and find out answers to that question.

Is it possible those 10 million Dem voters voted and their votes magically disappeared??

Google 2024 Election interference. Every few hours more articles appear.

Huge inconsistencies and voter complaints are showing up in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida..........

I agree with R39. I think there was monkey business. Trump with his "little secret." Is no one going to check into that?

I also think we should study Bill Clinton's campaigns. He nailed it.

No, who they need to study is Obama and his campaign in 2008.

They managed to sell a mostly unknown black man to the Dems. The Obama Campaign worked their asses off to get out the youth vote.

But, then forgot to get them out for midterms in 2010.

i agree with R7, it's a heinous world we live in, do first what you can for yourself. then connect with friends, then community. that counts. fuck the rest, if necessary

[quote] So how can the Democrat party reinvent or reimagine itself to be more broadly appealing. They are never going to be able to change enough people to win. So how will they change in order to win? It's Political Science 101.

i am so tired of this lame talking point. But if we were to answer your question we have to fallow the logic to the end. So the Democratic party would need to become more racist, homophobic and ant-woman that ever before. If you want to meet Republicans where THEY ARE not where we are that's the solution you proposed with that statement.

[quote]I think if the Democrat party is going to win back the White House again they need to do a better job of understanding the American people.

What does this mean?

You mean to tell me that lowering/eliminating student loan debt, lowering drug and other health costs, supporting unions and strengthening their rights, infrastructure (many jobs created), reclaiming manufacturing, supporting women's health rights, etc is not "understanding the American people"?

These people support a convicted rapist, liar, thief, cheat, etc. Is this "understanding the American people"?

Has anyone asked these women--these WHITE women, in depth and with probing questions why they support Trump? I'm not buying that "economy" bull shit either because it isn't. IT's RACISM! Or, the maintaining of their class/caste level. Yes, White women have their share of abuse but when push comes to shove, they are WHITE women which mean they hold a higher ranking than the many other women of color... and men of color too. The "Karen" exists for a reason.

[Quote] No, who they need to study is Obama and his campaign in 2008. They managed to sell a mostly unknown black man to the Dems. The Obama Campaign worked their asses off to get out the youth vote.

Obama won because he was running after the worst president ever (up to that time)—two wars, Great Recession. The Dems also had to nominate one of the smartest men and greatest speakers.

Hillary would have won had she been the nominee too.

Women and Blacks win only where America is desperate

[Quote] Has anyone asked these women--these WHITE women, in depth and with probing questions why they support Trump?

White women have voted GOP by a majority for forever. This is no surprise

Is it a coincidence that the Hitz channel is showing 1776 for free? Usually you have to rent it.

[quote]OP: Knowing that the majority of voters picked Trump...

We don't know that for a fact. We do know that a few months prior to the election, Trump had begun saying he had no need of votes. It's probable that something happened or was carried out that we don't fully understand yet.

It cannot bear repeating often enough that 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐮𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐝𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧, of something Republicans have done, are doing, or are planning to do. They spent years screaming that 2020 was stolen from them and, given what we know about them, it is impossible that some kind of chicanery did not occur with this election. We know that they were working on gaming the way ballots are counted, who counts them, and how they are certified. We know that they were throwing thousands off the voter rolls. And since black box voting machines were such an issue to them in 2020, it's possible that they actually finally found a way to crack them - and that may be why Trump ceased to be interested in persuading anyone to vote for him, saying he had it 'in the bag.'

I think that in 2020 it was a mistake to insist as a matter of absolute certainty that our elections are rock-solid and that no fraud was possible. This insistence has hemmed us in and has become an obstacle to the suggestion that something was done to skew the vote this time. No one is looking into it; everyone seems confounded, looking around for various voting constituencies to blame, all under the assumption that the election was straightforward and without flaw. That's not productive, and we shouldn't be doing it.

R45 Well, first of all, no woman HAS won the presidential race....at least electorally. So, there's that. And, Hillary couldn't beat a yutz like Trump. Despite the Clintonistas insisting she's a beloved figure, she's actually not. I have serious doubts if she could have won in 2008...way too soon after Bill was in office.

Obama didn't magically win. And, Bush was actually still popular. It took a LOT of hard work to convince Dems to get off their ass to vote for an unknown black senator from Illinois with a funny name.

It also helped that McCain ran a terrible campaign with a disastrous choice for veep but that still doesn't take away the hard work of the Obama Team.

I've posted this before. I don't think the 2020 election was as safe as reported, R48. The Dems had help - from Covid! Because of covid, mail-in voting suddenly overwhelmed the machines, thus we were able to defeat Trump. It's why Trump and the Pugs were freaking out over Mail-in voting, it's why Louis Dejoy was made postmaster general - to destroy sorting machines, which he was getting away with until public outcry.

Had 2020 been fully audited, I suspect the results would have shown Biden winning by considerably more than 7 million.

I also believe all that Republican voter-fraud auditing in Arizona was a ruse. It threw off the cheating the Pugs had done in states like Texas and Florida - which had a different set of voting machines. Dems also allowed the Pugs in Arizona to have their own cyber -experts go thru the systems, legitimate experts who might have planted bugs for 2024 that went unchecked and undetected. Flashback to May 2017 when Trump allowed Russian ambassador Kislyak in the White House oval office.

So as for this election, why was Louis Dejoy not replaced as postmaster general? Why was Trump and the Pugs suddenly promoting early voting by mail? why the lawsuit in Pennyslvania?

And you're asking me to believe that more than 12 million Americans who voted for Biden in 2020 decided to sit this election out???

Berine Sanders needs to STFU about Democrats not reaching working class people. As someone pointed out, are black folk not working class? They got the message but somehow they don't count in Bernie's assessment of the Democrats?

Low information voters aka losers.

I said sort of the same thing the other day OP. As of now, as far as I'm concerned if I don't know for sure you're on the side of what's right I will assume you are someone who doesn't deserve one iota of attention from me. I may have to interact with you for whatever reason, but any interactions I have with people like that will be all business and once our business is done you don't exist to me any longer.

[quote]Yes, White women have their share of abuse but when push comes to shove, they are WHITE women which mean they hold a higher ranking than the many other women of color... and men of color too. The "Karen" exists for a reason.

[quote]Rebecca Ann Felton (née Latimer; June 10, 1835 – January 24, 1930) was an American writer, politician, white supremacist, and slave owner who was the first woman to serve in the United States Senate. A major figure in American first-wave feminism, Felton was also a white supremacist and the last slave owner to serve in the Senate. She spoke vigorously in favor of lynching African Americans, under the pretense of protecting the sexual purity of European-American women. Most often the African Americans whom she admonished were falsely accused of rape.

I would have thought that Madam VP's plan of having Medicare cover home healthcare, and her childcare plan were overwhelmingly winning issues. THESE ARE MAJOR POCKETBOOK ISSUES!!! I would have said that this is "understanding the American people" and their pocketbook. But, no... These people support someone who provided no plans (and was never called out on that either) but has been quite clear of the many worker's rights that he will destroy, education, on and on

And then someone expects me to believe they voted for Trump because of the economy and people will do better under his watch?

I am feeling more and more that the election was rigged. Knowing full well how stupid it sounds considering how insane it sounded coming out of Trump's mouth. But the Kamala energy was HUGE and I cannot fathom that she got so many millions less votes than Biden, with this much at stake, with how much excitement there was in the air. Trump was acting very weird and talking about "I don't need your votes" and "we have a secret." And as someone upthread has said "Every accusation is an admission." Which is to say, I believe Trump tried also to scam the 2020 election and was outraged that it didn't work. So he made sure this time he had it "in the bag." I hope there is an investigation.

What has happened that has caused this thread to be gray lined?

R56, do you really think an OP message of 'fuck everybody else! I'm only in this for ME!' would be positively received here?

[quote] What has happened that has caused this thread to be gray lined?

It's not grey lined for me. You must have your flames and freaks settings not set to 'asbestos eyeballs'.

Something worth fighting for

[quote] White women have voted GOP by a majority for forever. This is no surprise

This year it is, or should be. Because of abortion. They know that party despises their rights. It has made it absolutely abundantly clear. If they are still mechanically and mindlessly voting Republican they are being ridiculous and should absolutely be called out on it. At least somebody should be asking, what the fuck?

Trump's Jedi Mind Trick basically gave conservative Republican woman an out to say: "oh he said it's up to the states, so I am fine with that". They know that's not the logical end but it's just enough cover they can play that mental trick with themself.

This election was like a giant field experiment to determine whether the vilest person imaginable could coast to victory solely on the basis of white male privilege when faced with a vastly superior opponent who happened to be a black woman.

More like people are sick of the Democrat's radical "woke' leftist bullshit!

And the economy, stupid.

This MAGA and Project 2025 agenda is what the majority of Americans voted for and as unpleasant as it is - this is what must now happen. In fact it HAS to happen so that we can experience whatever it is and then move onto the next phase of America - which will hopefully be a complete repudiation of MAGA and a return to a centrist democracy with some lessons learned and a way to live together discovered. It's very unlikely the Dems will win the house so there's nothing much they can do except make noises. The Trump Party has the house, senate, POTUS and SCOTUS and the popular vote as a mandate excuse.

If this destroys the fabric of the US and America's standing in the world then so be it. There's no possibility we can move to the [bold]next phase[/bold] without going through [bold]this phase[/bold]. I feel terrible for the carnage, despair and generational suffering which will be the outcome of MAGA but it has to happen because until it does the MAGA will never give up. At the end of the Trump presidency, the centre right who voted Trump in 2024 will hopefully see the destruction caused and refuse to support the Trump/MAGA party in 2028. The MAGA can't get elected without them so it may finish them off.

The only hope we have is that Trump doesn't pull a Viktor Orbán style regime and that there are free and fair elections in 2028. What worries me is that a lot of what Trump has threatened recently is exactly what Orbán has implemented in Hungary so that no other party can be elected, political dissenters are dealt with, the media are strictly controlled, the judiciary are replaced by loyalists and anyone who disagrees cowers in fear of retaliation.

What part of Kamala's campaign was woke? Healthcare is woke? Social Security is woke? 50,000 business loans for startups is woke? Helping first time home buyers is woke? It's 2024 you silly Rhino.

[quote]The Trump Party has the house, senate, POTUS and SCOTUS and the popular vote as a mandate excuse.

They had that the first time around and they still could not get jack shit done.

[quote] I am done fighting for everyone else

Well, if you had fought for all the children that had been burnt alive in hospital beds or blown to pieces by bombs paid for by your taxes ONCE in the last 13 months by telling your party to cut it out or else instead of bullying and shaming everyone who had the audacity to voice any objection, perhaps 15 million voters wouldn’t have stayed home.

Oh the Hamas Hun is on a roll this morning

[quote]They had that the first time around and they still could not get jack shit done.

They will this time R66.

America is two countries, two cultures, in an arranged marriage.

Hardly, r71. The majority voted for one culture. There is but only one.

What I keep reminding myself of is that the average republican politician's very being is ruled by hatred, bigotry, and above all, incompetence. It has never been more obvious than since Donald Trump came onto the political scene. More and more, at least semi rational republicans, have either been voted out of office & replaced by complete lunatics who are in a constant blind rage against the left, or have had enough and left politics entirely. In the long run the current republican ideology is not sustainable. They will screw up most every endeavor they attempt and many of those who voted for them will see how badly they've done and then we'll start the whole back and forth with which party is in control we've been doing for decades. The only thing, as I see it, is if the democratic party wakes the hell up one day and decides to change their priorities to something that doesn't piss off so many people who voted them in. Fail that, I feel sorry for younger people. I'm old and don't have that much time left so I won't have to worry about it much longer. But you younger people had better get used to a lifetime of political stupidity, from both parties. I do keep hope alive that the democrats will wake up one day though.

[Quote]Politics is strategic. Majority rules. So how can the Democrat party reinvent or reimagine itself to be more broadly appealing.

I don't know who advised them that calling voters "Nazis" and "garbage" was a winning strategy but that advice should have been laughed out of the room.

They acted like Trump is illegally running, illegally on the ballot, and like voting for him was a criminal act. The Dems need to get down from their Mount Olympus of moral superiority and stop acting like people who legally oppose their views are somehow unfit to tie their shoes.

When you say "fight" OP, do you mean hand to hand combat, or do you mean you delivered some leaflets and did some tweets?

We've heard this before, r74. Remember how the media coalesced around the absurd idea that aggrieved poor whites handed Trump the White House because of HRC's "basket of deplorables" comment and all those condescending redneck jokes we liberals love to make? It's all a load of bullshit, just like your slimy implication that the Harris campaign called VOTERS "nazis" and "garbage". She rightly called Trump a fascist and BIDEN, not Harris or her campaign, called Trump's supporters garbage. You get all the basic facts wrong yet speak with total confidence. Maybe Reddit is a better fit for you?

Dump on Biden all you like, but he is the only Dem to beat Trump. The clue is that Biden is a man.

Cultivate your own garden.

And grow some good-quality weed.

[quote]More like people are sick of the Democrat's radical "woke' leftist bullshit!

Okay, MAGAt.

[Quote] Well, if you had fought for all the children that had been burnt alive in hospital beds or blown to pieces by bombs paid for by your taxes ONCE in the last 13 months by telling your party to cut it out or else instead of bullying and shaming everyone who had the audacity to voice any objection, perhaps 15 million voters wouldn’t have stayed home.

Americans Dem or GOP don’t give a shit about brown people thousand of miles away. Now, not only will more kids burn, and entire population will be wiped out. Israel will annex Gaza and the West Bank. Heck, take Lebanon too.

Go for it. This is the shit Americans voted for

[Quote] I don't know who advised them that calling voters "Nazis" and "garbage" was a winning strategy but that advice should have been laughed out of the room.

Oh, I’m sure that was what prevented people from voting. Give me a break

[Quote] They had that the first time around and they still could not get jack shit done.

The Dems had Nancy Pelosi and the GOP didn’t have a plan.

Now the GOP is ready

[Quote] More like people are sick of the Democrat's radical "woke' leftist bullshit!

That hardly even came up this election. Except the GOP demonizing trans kids.

This happened because the Reps convinced America they could bring down prices.

The GOP will make you hate anyone. Overnight.

I remember when the GOP was testing out who the boogie man should be for this election.

The DeSantis director of communications tweeted out something about gays being predators. The fringe on the right tried to push that message too but it fell flat. Everyone has gays in their families so we know gays aren’t evil and predators. The Don’t Say Gay law fell flat too. The whole Drag Queens are evil died after the GOP defeat two in 2022.

The only one that had legs was the “kids are being made trans by their schools” BS. So the GOP went with that. Even Trump said that schools were doing operations.

Watch closely as the GOP starts pushing a different boogieman for 2026. It will test a few before it settles on the one that works.

OP my sentiments exactly. It's not like I don't care, nor do I want anyone to suffer, but it's just no longer important to me. America has made their choice and revealed their true nature, I don' have to listen to feminists or Black Lives Matter or activist for any racial equality or even LGBT - they voted for him too........ I'm just going to focus on myself and go back into hiding like I did in the 70's to avoid getting bashed. Save my money and spend time with friends (unfortunately most of my family are his supporters) circle the wagons and try to enjoy whatever I can of my life.

I hope eventually people come back, but honestly for now, not fighting makes as much sense as fighting. I truly believe we need to go through this bullshit for at least a year, and then, maybe, we can try to talk to people again. Maybe then, we can say, okay, look at the results. Maybe we all can rethink some of this.

But until then, I get it. Arguing and cajoling and preventing, is pretty useless right now.

Exactly what fighting are people not going to do now that they did before? One example?

Yep, R85. I said I would never look at this country the same again if they voted that bastard into office again. Ever. Not only did that happen, we're going to have all three branches controlled by right-wing GOP extremists for at least two years, if not longer. And some are happy that "the country can have a great president again," which is bullshit. Doesn't mean I hate the country or want to leave, but the outcome exposed the rot that plagues American society. Trump's campaign was all about division, hatred and retribution. He embodies everything wrong with the country. We will all find out why turning your democracy over to an asshole has harsh consequences.

Here's what's helping me to cope with this fiasco:

1) He's going to fuck up sooner than later and overstep his authority.

2) His cult of personality political party is pretty much purged of moderates, but will still be divided between active and passive MAGA followers. Don't forget the GOPs failure to nominate a speaker of the House after multiple rounds. There will be more of that chaos on display.

3) I voted proudly for Kamala Harris and no one in my immediate family has ever been pro-Trump. They see through him like I do. He was terrible the first time and will be again. I'll be saying, "Don't blame me, I voted for Kamala," when he goes off the rails.

4) History will always know Donald Trump as the failed, felon, insurrectionist who conned his way back into office and will be rated among the worst presidents in U.S. history. His supporters will never be able to make him out to be a patron saint who saved America. Delusion will never be reality.

[quote] I don' have to listen to feminists or Black Lives Matter or activist for any racial equality or even LGBT - they voted for him too......

Did they though? It seems that those 3 groups are the only ones that broke massively for Harris. Educated white women, Jewish women, Blacks, Gays. I don't plan to listen to anyone or donate to anyone for a long time but if someone tells me they are a feminist or they have an old BLM sticker on their car I'll assume they did not vote for him.

I think Democrats especially the ones in Congress should do everything they can to put of road blocks and guard rails as much as they can before Biden leaves office... and then STOP. Step back and let him do his Shock and Awe of Immigrants deportations, deregulation, etc. Dont protect those who voted for trump. Hispanic for Trump too bad, Palastinians for Trump too bad, Gen Z bros how have to get jobs replacing immigrants in the field, too bad, poor white trash not getting their EBT card too bad. Stop being there to make it easy for them. Let it all happen so there is real pain that MAGA and their ilk will actually start to feel. They vote on emotions and its the only language they understand. Logic and facts or values don't matter to them. When are Dems going to realize that?

Only then can we come in 4 years form now and say well, we offer something different.

I have a friend abroad who said that a country truly under great economic stress doesn’t have time or energy to worry about transgender prisoners. He said that the culture stuff becomes an issue when people have all of their basic needs met, lots of free time and they’re looking to get offended. Now, some of the transgender stuff is just silly and shouldn’t be part of our platform. But the point stands. Someone who voted on that issue is not economically destitute.

The same friend said he almost choked on his cereal when Nick Kristoff wrote in the NYT this weekend about some MAGAt friend who couldn’t a $2 bolt. He thinks the people of New York should be able to sue him for that outrageous lie since this is either completely made up or we’ll discover that the person is actually receiving $1800 in government support but spending it on drugs and booze.

Couldn’t **afford** a $2 bolt

Wait two years and then fight for the Dems to take over Congress.

Usually that change happens because the president and his party overreaches. It will happen again.

The GOP knows this well and has a list of policies it need to enact before then

Last time Trump won, the GOP got stuck on trying to repeal the ACA. Now it’s being smarter

Seems they’ll have the numbers to repeal it now. He’ll try to repeal everything that Obama, Biden, Clinton created out of spite. Last time we had McCain to resist. This time they have a decent majority and the map doesn’t look good for us in 2026 so he can overturn everything.

Those red states are going to become third world when he’s done gutting healthcare, education, social security, infrastructure. To be a poor child in Oklahoma or Mississippi is already bad, it’s going to become hell on earth.

Half of the country wants to be Minnesota and half of it wants to be Mississippi.

How long will it take before the ego of Elon clashes with the ego of Trump?

Can someone give any example of what fighting they are not going to do now that they did before.? The only thing I see is people talking about their feelings. Their attitudes.

Honestly I never thought of DL as a place full,of,people fighting to make the country better prior to the election, so I am not sure what they are actually going to do different,

Self interest drove DL before the election like,it drives everyone else it will be what remains.

The good news? There are stages to grief. Acceptance of our reality and situation, is coming.

[quote]Can someone give any example of what fighting they are not going to do now that they did before.? The only thing I see is people talking about their feelings. Their attitudes.

I CALLED JK ROWLING A CUNT ON TWITTER BECAUSE SHE SAID NO MALE RAPISTS IN WOMEN'S PRISONS AND NOW DONALD TRUMP IS PUTTING MALE RAPISTS IN WOMEN'S PRISONS.

I'M DONE WITH MY ACTIVISM

obviously I meant

I CALLED JK ROWLING A CUNT ON TWITTER BECAUSE SHE SAID NO MALE RAPISTS IN WOMEN'S PRISONS AND NOW DONALD TRUMP IS PUTTING MALE RAPISTS IN MEN'S PRISONS.

I'M DONE WITH MY ACTIVISM

The captain of the titanic on that night

“We need the women children and DL to head to the life boats at once”

Do they still do that on cruise ships? The last time I took a cruse was about 10 years ago and I was shocked they still did the women and children thing. I thought fuck that, I thought women wanted to be treated as equal as men? But when it suddenly benefits them, that goes all out the window?

OP, some wise words from jen Psaki

R102 it’s people like you that will help lead the Democratic Party back to victory and popularity. Well stated.

Hey now, op. Leave blacks, LGBTQ folks, and Jews off your list. They tried and did what was required. Everyone else fucked us.

You got fucked? I didn't even get kissed.

No they do not do that on cruise ships. There is no women and children first rule. When and where it did exist women had no hand in creating it either.

They did it on the cruse ship I was on 10 years ago, Princess Cruse line in Vancouver. Maybe it's not a rule, but its exactly what they did during the muster drill before the ship leaves the dock.

I have no idea what they say on cruise ship today since my luck has held and none of the cruise ships I have been on have ever sunk.

Today though unlike the titanic they do have enough boats for everyone.

You never heard of a MUSTER drill R109?

R110 is that anything like a short arm inspection on a ship?

I’ve been on several cruises since the pandemic. Princess, Disney, Norwegian. There is no women and children rule on any of them.

Maybe Trump won because he’s right about us, all of us. A woman loses an election, supposed liberals are railing against something which doesn’t even exist but gives them the opportunity to imagine women drowning at sea.

[Quote] Seems they’ll have the numbers to repeal it now.

The GOP will not have a filibuster proof Senate so can’t just snap its fingers and repeal ACA.

The executive can do much to weaken it like slash the number of navigators that help people apply for insurance and no renew the premium support when it expires in 2025

"make piece with that'

-OH DEAR!

With delicate, hot house flowers like OP is it any fucking wonder the Democrats got their asses handed to them?

r114 Trump is telling the Senate that the majority leader must allow recession approvals, meaning the Senate can approve his picks while the government is recessed. He knows dems will block his every pick just like Manchin did to Biden,.

[Quote] With delicate, hot house flowers like OP is it any fucking wonder the Democrats got their asses handed to them?

Except the Dems got their asses handed to them even while fighting all the things in OP.

So why fight them? Let them happen. Let America get what it voted for

[quote]What has happened that has caused this thread to be gray lined?

I KNEW something happened...

BUT WAIT! Before you (whoever you are) do anything more, know that I have already unsubscribed and will be here no longer than Dec 5, and I have no desire (aside from this particular posting) to post anywhere else. I'm done with Datalounge.

After leaving DL because I was constantly being banned every other day (just a slight embellishment) and had no understanding of what I could possibly be doing wrong, I decided to subscribe again because I'm such a big fan of Poll Troll on the evening of Nov 5. I posted a few times on the "OFFICIAL ELECTION THREAD 2024" and then on this thread at R44. Apparently, that posting (because there are no recent others on any other thread) caused me to get banned for 2-3 days by someone. Muriel? Who Knows?

It seems that DL is under attack by someone (or group) who are looking to suppress speech and different thoughts. I noticed that there were other postings by others noting that they had been banned. These people claim that they are DL patrons that have been here for at least15-plus years and had never experienced a ban until recently. Me? Prior to my leaving, I had been a DL patron for 10-12 years. Anyway... this person and/or group must find it entertaining and get a macabre "kick" out banning certain posters. It's not too difficult to determine who is who, etc Anyway... it hurts and/or can hurt.

Say whatever you want and call me whatever you want, but DataLounge was one of the very few outlets that I have left which allows me to communicate., learn, and laugh, outside of my current circumstance. I don't have much time left here--no violins please... it is what it is. I was very hurt, sad, and truly near tears--(really...) when I was unable to create a thread and/or post about the great dancer, Judith Jamison, of who I knew. I was looking forward to sharing my stories and memories with others. But I couldn't.

It is this type of angst and stress that I can definitely do without at this point.

So, I posted this primarily to relieve myself of this stress and/or anger. To acknowledge others who may be experiencing this--I thought I was the only one for the longest. To alert DataLounge--Maybe, they don't know what is happening. Or, if it is this "Muriel", that I really think that such an action is an abuse (IMHO)

It hurts. It has hurt.

Musk's Star Link uploaded votes in swing states.

Swing state voters went Dem down ballot but Trump at the top? Bullshit

Star Link satellites exploding, destroying evidence.

I'm investing in crypto, the private prison sector, arms manufacturers, etc. I'm with you OP. This is only about my survival now.

[quote]Fuck the MAGA Karens, sure. But the women I know voted blue and have been utterly stunned and bereft all week.

I'll never forgive the MAGA Karens in this country because the woman who voted for Harris will also suffer because of the MAGA Karens.

On Saturday, a friend sent me this TikTok video in which a female Harris voter talked about stopping to help another woman stranded with a flat tire on a country road. When she got close to the other woman's car she saw "Let's Go Brandon" on the window and decided to not to help the MAGA Karen. There's a part of me that me feels bad that she decided to leave the woman stranded, but at the same time I get this woman's anger towards the MAGA Karen and I can see why she left her there.

I just can’t fight this feeling anymore

Just practice this phrase and use it often and liberally when appropriate:

"I/WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!"

It'll take a while before shit happens, but when it does, don't be afraid to point to the folks that made this happen. Rehearse! Look in the mirror to learn how to scowl and smirk. Be prepared!

R119 it’s certainly no outside group it’s your fellow DL members who lead the shut down the conversation movement. It’s progressive politics today.

This FF may be the stupidest fucking thing I have ever seen a forum do that I assume is trying to grow. And it’s on an allegedly liberal forum.

I feel like the last thing I want to give these fascists is any further attention. They should be STARVED of our attention.

Why does DL have the gray out function at all?

Why block anything?

Should I get a tee shirt that says “I hate Trump. Come and get me.”

Start practicing the dance.

[quote] It'll take a while before shit happens, but when it does, don't be afraid to point to the folks that made this happen. Rehearse! Look in the mirror to learn how to scowl and smirk. Be prepared!

Shit is already happening. Dumb fucks who voted for Trump are starting to understand how tariffs work. There is a story going around on a social media in which a woman claims her husband works at small manufacturing company in Pennsylvania. She is claiming that the company has cut out Christmas bonuses because they need to buy materials before January to avoid to dealing with the tariffs. She said that most of the Trumpsters at the company didn't understand tariffs and the company president had to explain it to them.

More stories like that will come out over the next couple of months.

^^^America will realize it fucked up soon enough. They'll miss a professional governed White House when we go back to 2 AM policy decisions made on Truth Social and all-day coverage of Trump's offensive rants again. This new Trump administration will be even more disorganized and full of incompetent assholes who said, "I like his policies" once and are awarded a cabinet position they have no knowledge of how it is supposed to function. "Don't blame me, I voted for Kamala" will be a thing in no time. If you voted for sanity and stability, know you did the right thing. Nearly half of the country still hates him and will never fall for his lies.

It's starting in West Hollywood...

Hang in there, OP. Take a break from news and social media. Focus on yourself and your own growth as a good human. Control your controllables and left everything else float away. Breathe, eat well, read, enjoy family, friends and pets. Politics is not worth losing your health for. We will be ok. And if we are not, worrying about it now won't change anything. There are still lots of good people in the world. Be one of them.

[quote]She said that most of the Trumpsters at the company didn't understand tariffs and the company president had to explain it to them.

I am so shocked!

R132 oh god not that. MAGA trucks four of them driving thru west Hollywood while people were still grieving.

I had no problem when DL called for the death of trump supporters but driving 4;trucks and with trump signs on them thru weho just seems like a bridge too far.

JHC the pure terror of seeing 4 trucks with MAGA signs on them, and gloating drivers :-(

It’s not like we are weak silly cunts, it’s not that at all. It’s……..

OP you are just the person we need to fight. Just get some rest. Take a break. But we’re going to need you back in the ring.

[quote] Women can bleed out and die because there’s some problem with a pregnancy.

You're fucking gross, OP. You seem to think other innocent people suffering horribly will alleviate or prevent your own suffering? You're an idiot.

As a gay man growing up, feeling the hate and disrespect from literally every angle - religious institutions, government, co-workers, friends and even family - I already knew that a good majority of people are hateful and stupid.

That's why it was so shocking for me that we came as far as we did in the last 20 years. But it never felt like full acceptance - because there wasn't really.

Gays are resilient - we're used to people not treating us with respect. We don't expect THAT much.

But everyone else that's going to be hurt are in for a BIG surprise and won't know what to do with that feeling.

Why does MAGA always feel it needs to rub everyone's face in it. There were no such thing as "Biden Caravans" going through Alabama., for example.

r139 because Biden voters knew better It's legal to shoot democrats in Alabama.

[quote]Why does MAGA always feel it needs to rub everyone's face in it. There were no such thing as "Biden Caravans" going through Alabama., for example.

Because MAGAt's are mostly low-life, ignorant trash. Anyone who thinks a hate-filled narcissist felon in obvious mental decline would be a great leader is not all there. The election outcome didn't change who they've always been. Don't ever forget that.

I live in LA and they were parading up and down the main streets all the way down to Santa Monica to rub it in. Low Class Trash.

MARY!

I think us older Americans expected more from our fellow citizens but we underestimated them and lost to hate/corruption/disinformation.

R114, the worst part is, I have no hope for the future seeing that Gen Z males went for Trump.

I not only can't fight anymore, I also can't read posts on not fighting anymore.

[quote]I think us older Americans expected more from our fellow citizens but we underestimated them and lost to hate/corruption/disinformation - .

The sane voters have been given the experience that minorities have gone through for decades by underestimating the power of hatred and division that still exists in this country. I, too believed there would be no way Americans would ever give the orange bastard another term in office, but here we are. Four more years of chaos, corruption and lies, lies and more lies. It will be a miracle if the U.S. comes out of Trump-domination with relatively free elections and only minor losses of our civil liberties.

R142, here in NYC, a friend of mine who was wearing a Kamala T-shirt the night of the election was jumped and had his nose broken by a bunch of thugs. There will be more of that.

Of course, they were looking for trouble because they're young MAGAt white trash. Too early to tell if we'll be seeing honorary Dump brownshirts menacing us.

MAGA caravans have been driving through the NYC suburbs. In the back was a big truck with huge video screens on the sides showing Trump with the quote “Daddy’s back by popular demand!”

Have these caravans been sticking to their MAGA strongholds or are they becoming bold and trying to pull that shit in other neighborhoods that didn't vote for trash?

the latter.

Rubbing noses in progressive neighborhoods.

I wonder who is funding all this

Think of the maga displays like VE Day . Or if you like then VJ Day. Not much joy for the losers.

They're jumping the gun with this shit. Trump's not there to rescue them yet, so let them fuck around and find out because people are still pissed.

While I get OP's exasperation and exhaustion, sitting it out and letting the chips fall where they may will ultimately result in a personally worse situation.

We are in the midst of a self-reinforcing cycle which will inevitably lead to a nightmare. For example, shot up schools will drive parents to homeschool or use vouchers to send their kids to rethug favorite charter schools which will cause further declines to public schools. As public schools decline, parents who have options will take them. Good teachers leave, then we end up with roving gangs of teens on the streets, increasing crime. Increasing crime will drive calls for more draconian laws and police actions to "protect" people. Since 9/11, but clearly before that, the US people have consistently voted to curtail their own rights for some fleeting notion of safety - which has not resulted in improved safety for anyone, just more government intrusions in personal liberties.

Unless you really are an eldergay with less than five years to live, it will eventually impact you one way or another.

The ONLY way to break the cycle is to continue to fight.

^^ "Unless you really are an eldergay with less than five years to live, it will eventually impact you one way or another."

Thank goodness! And thank you R155 for pointing that out.