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Dems rage against Biden’s ‘arrogance’ after Harris loss

Democrats are directing their rage over losing the presidential race at Joe Biden, who they blame for setting up Kamala Harris for failure by not dropping out sooner.

They say his advancing age, questions over his mental acuity and deep unpopularity put Democrats at a sharp disadvantage. They are livid that they were forced to embrace a candidate who voters had made clear they did not want — and then stayed in the race long after it was clear he couldn’t win.

“He shouldn’t have run,” said Jim Manley, a top aide to former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. “This is no time to pull punches or be concerned about anyone’s feelings. He and his staff have done an enormous amount of damage to this country.”

According to interviews with nearly a dozen officials and party operatives, Biden squandered valuable months only to end in disaster on the debate stage. And by the time he decided to pass the torch, he had saddled Harris with too many challenges and far too little time to build a winning case for herself.

The fresh anger at Biden came as Democrats devolved into a round of recriminations following Tuesday’s decisive loss to Donald Trump, with officials struggling to explain why a majority of the electorate voted Republican for the first time in 20 years.

Democratic leaders had hoped Harris could separate herself from Biden’s deficiencies after taking over the nomination with just 107 days to the election. The candidate switch in July generated a fresh surge of enthusiasm with voters and appeared to instantly reset the race, bolstering the theory that she could eke out a win against an opponent as divisive as Trump.

But any gains Harris made during her abridged campaign were swamped on Tuesday by the enduring backlash against the Biden administration over inflation and cost-of-living concerns — and a president who proved incapable of selling the electorate on his accomplishments and whose apparent overconfidence kept him in the campaign despite growing signs that he wasn’t up for the job.

"She ran an extraordinary campaign with a very tough hand that was handed to her," Mark Longabaugh, a Democratic strategist and former adviser to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), said of Harris. "The truth of the matter is, Biden should have stepped aside earlier and let the party put together a longer game plan."

The loss, said supporters and critics alike, will put a lasting dent in a legacy that Biden built steadily over more than a half-century in politics, culminating in what he envisioned would be a resounding defeat of Trump and his divisive brand of politics. Instead, Biden’s presidency will now be inextricably linked with Trump’s return to the Oval Office and his legislative accomplishments risk getting undercut by his successor. It’s in part a consequence, some Democrats concluded, of Biden letting pride and ego cloud the sharp political judgment that had aided his long ascent to the White House.

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by Anonymousreply 63November 8, 2024 5:40 AM

but Morning Joe said that Biden was as sharp as a tack

by Anonymousreply 1November 7, 2024 7:33 AM

[quote] but Morning Joe said that Biden was as sharp as a tack

As did the hyper-partisan enablers on DL.

by Anonymousreply 2November 7, 2024 7:41 AM

I don't blame Biden, per se. I blame the "old guard" New Dem people around him, who doubted Harris and sabotaged her because she wasn't one of "them."

by Anonymousreply 3November 7, 2024 7:43 AM

It does make you wonder if Joe Biden would have beat Trump, if he stayed in the race.

I mean, he couldn't have done any worse than Kamala.

Despite all the excitement for her and the money raised, the actual VOTERS never showed up for her, or decided to vote for Trump.

Would Biden have done better or worse?

I actually think he would have done better.

by Anonymousreply 4November 7, 2024 7:48 AM

Anyone who failed to vote despite the stark contrast in candidates and the huge stakes involved deserve to shoulder some of the blame

by Anonymousreply 5November 7, 2024 8:59 AM

With Biden we would have lost NJ and Virginia at least. Maybe more. Harris was at least able to generate buzz and fill arenas. Biden’s campaigning would have been a pitiful display of small crowds, stuttering speeches, TV appearances where he looked like a deer in the headlights. The Gaza protesters would have been merciless and he would not have had a great comeback for them.

We were heading for a total wipeout. We replaced him with a candidate who generated buzz and crowds and record breaking fundraising. She did a brilliant DNC, a brilliant debate. And she still lost.

We have a cult of personality leading a facsist movement. It is supported by the richest man in the world and it has its own propaganda networks - X, Fox. Russia is running interference for them. The mainstream media is sane washing them.

I don’t know how you beat that.

by Anonymousreply 6November 7, 2024 10:07 AM

R4 - Biden can barely stand up or speak now. He constantly looks confused and unsure of his whereabouts. His slack facial expressions are worrying. He often mumbles then shouts when he's talking because he must think he comes across as sharp. I am often very uncomfortable when I see him now because it is so obvious that he should be out of office and enjoying his retirement. He is just too old.

Had he continued to run against Trump then the election loss would have been monumental. A landslide. Voters did not want him as a candidate. The message was clear. It would have been a complete bloodbath with Biden as a candidate. I can't even imagine how bad it would have been. I can't image how many electoral votes Trump would have ended up winning.

I just started reading R6's post and he has said everything I wanted to say but better. Harris ran a flawless campaign but Biden dropped out too late. Harris did as well as she could but the majority of Americans wanted Trump and it turns out there was nothing anyone could do about it. The majority of women voted against themselves. The MAGA party is a populist cult and it's almost impossible to counter that. Harris and Democrats fought with conviction and ran a better campaign but it was impossible to counter. The MAGA had been gnashing their teeth for 4 years and they were having Trump back in the White House no matter what. It's going to be awful but that's what the majority of Americans have chosen.

by Anonymousreply 7November 7, 2024 11:04 AM

I agree but he’s always been a joke and will be dead soon.

by Anonymousreply 8November 7, 2024 11:16 AM

I honestly don't know if he will survive until the end of his term R8. His degeneration has been so swift.

by Anonymousreply 9November 7, 2024 11:17 AM

President Biden has been so disrespected it astonishes

by Anonymousreply 10November 7, 2024 11:53 AM

Everything R6 said, plus the debate performance where she kicked his ass.

by Anonymousreply 11November 7, 2024 12:01 PM

[quote]President Biden has been so disrespected it astonishes

What does this mean R10?

by Anonymousreply 12November 7, 2024 12:04 PM

Are these the same people who were swearing upside down that Joe was a-okay and would throw hissy fits at any person, democrat or otherwise, that suggested Biden step down?

by Anonymousreply 13November 7, 2024 12:04 PM

I know white women voted for him and fuck the ones that did but I feel so sorry for the half that didn’t, for all black woman and for young girls everywhere. So many teen girls have seen two qualified women lose to a rapist, a cheat, a liar, a convict. I’ve been overlooked for promotion because I’m gay, it was given to some dumb as rocks bro type. It’s hard to square. Women and people of color have lost again. Gays have lost again because in the panic I’ve seen Pete’s presidential chances declared dead in arrival. Yet the media is telling us that it’s the white man who is feeling jilted. Even though they’ve installed a rapist and an insurrectionist as POTUS - again!

by Anonymousreply 14November 7, 2024 12:10 PM

R14 other than the abortion, can you tell me how women lost?

by Anonymousreply 15November 7, 2024 12:12 PM

[quote]Gays have lost again because in the panic I’ve seen Pete’s presidential chances declared dead in arrival.

Although Buttigieg is a stellar politician and a very impressive man - there was never any possibility of him being elected as POTUS R14. Absolutely no chance whatsoever. It's one of the most unrealistic things I have ever heard. It will be at least 50 or more years before America would ever consider electing a gay male president - maybe not even then. Maybe 100 years. Unlikely in our lifetimes unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 16November 7, 2024 12:18 PM

They're blaming the wrong Biden. It's Jill who needs to be excoriated. "Oooh you answered every question...what a big boy you are!"

I hope she rots in hell.

by Anonymousreply 17November 7, 2024 12:21 PM

Kamala ran a perfect campaign and gave Trump the biggest popular win vote a Repub has had in decades. Plus millions of Dems stayed home compared to 2020. That’s a hell of a perfect campaign.

Biden should have dropped out earlier but I don’t think any Dem could win this year.

by Anonymousreply 18November 7, 2024 12:35 PM

R7 you keep pushing this false MAGA narrative about Joe Biden, which is a complete LIE.

It's what drove him out of office, to the benefit of Donald Trump.

Biden is the ONE person that Donald Trump was scared of because Biden BEAT HIM in 2020.

This year, he was the incumbent, and probably would have beat Trump again.

And for the record, here is President Biden speaking about the election today, and he is perfectly FINE.

People like R7 and the pro-Trump Media drove out Biden on purpose, to clear the way for a Trump Presidency.

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by Anonymousreply 19November 7, 2024 5:01 PM

[quote] Although Buttigieg is a stellar politician and a very impressive man - there was never any possibility of him being elected as POTUS [R14]. Absolutely no chance whatsoever. It's one of the most unrealistic things I have ever heard. It will be at least 50 or more years before America would ever consider electing a gay male president - maybe not even then. Maybe 100 years. Unlikely in our lifetimes unfortunately.

I disagree. I believe we’ll see a white, accomplished gay man as president before we see a woman.

As much as this country is (deservedly) branded racist, the sexism of the US is off the charts. Expect that to continue as the Latino population grows.

by Anonymousreply 20November 7, 2024 5:17 PM

The hate for intelligent, independent women is what drove this outcome. I had hope but I guess there are more idiots than I thought in our country.

by Anonymousreply 21November 7, 2024 5:27 PM

Biden is the most unpopular president in polling history. Fuck him and his white trash family.

by Anonymousreply 22November 7, 2024 5:29 PM

Kamala fell for Jussie and can’t answer simple questions. She’s better than Trump but no Mensa member.

by Anonymousreply 23November 7, 2024 5:30 PM

[quote] This year, he was the incumbent, and probably would have beat Trump again.

No. I heard from someone who went to a fundraiser earlier this year that he was totally out it and could barely move around the room. Everyone said he was unelectable then but he didn't drop out for months after that. If he stayed in the race he would have had 2 more debates, many TC appearances, many rallies and he would have love so feeble in all of these that the map would be totally red. I hate saying that because I like Joe and I'm gutted that Kamala's loss means his legacy is destroyed in the short term.

by Anonymousreply 24November 7, 2024 5:47 PM

Latinos aren't going to vote for a fudge packer for President R20. No matter how good we think Pete is, that's a problem. Stick to middle aged, straight white men, Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 25November 7, 2024 5:50 PM

I think to elect a gay man would take a kind of optimism that gels unpredictably, like the original Obama landslide. That was magic. A confluence of moment, messaging and gifted, charismatic candidate. It hasn't been replicated since. It isn't the kind of thing replicated often. Think of the country that just elected Donald Trump choosing Pete Buttigieg. That's not this country, though I have every confidence the Democratic party will probably try. As a pragmatist, I know what I'd bet on when it does.

by Anonymousreply 26November 7, 2024 7:11 PM

NOTHING can beat ignorance and racism.

Biden would have gone down harder than Kamala, but the 15-29 million voters who stayed home sure got the job done, huh? I guess they just weren't "feeling it", but, oh, they sure will be soon!

Fuck ALL of them!

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by Anonymousreply 27November 7, 2024 7:11 PM

I don't know if Joe would have done better or worse than Harris (or anybody else) but he would have lost. His negatives were too high. Fairly or unfairly, the voters don't like how he handled the job. (There may be a case to argue one of the reasons is he didn't promote it enough. In the last few days, there's emerging complaint stories with the general theme "Where has the President been for the last two years?" and the answer: hidden by his aides, who were afraid of his gaffes. That raises the question of whether he was up to the job, but it hardly matters now.)

I do think the big mistake, owned by several but Joe most of all, was he stepped aside far, far too late. He should have honored his word and been a transitional president.

But, even if he had, I'm not sure this election was salvageable. The Joe of 2024 couldn't have managed a convincing campaign. Maybe in 2024, the Joe of the 2020 campaign could have. But look at the negatives on his job performance. Dems lost ground even in blue states. This was a steep hill. Even if he'd said I'm going two years ago, the loss was big - Senate, White House, probably Congress. I'm not sure anybody could have turned it around.

by Anonymousreply 28November 7, 2024 7:18 PM

I think the Blue Wall no longer exists. The Blue Wedge still exists but that's all it is, a way in.

by Anonymousreply 29November 7, 2024 7:20 PM

I would like to see how Kamala would do with a full election season. Now, not when she ran before.

I know it breaks tradition, but I hope she runs again - with a running mate that isn't a Tim Kaine clone.

I used to support the Bidens but Joe has been frail for a long time now. Shame on Jill for pushing him on. They fucked the campaign.

by Anonymousreply 30November 7, 2024 7:23 PM

Minorities can only get nominated if they’re Republican for the presidency. Even Britain hasn’t voted for a Left wing female politicians. They’ve had three, all conservative.

by Anonymousreply 31November 7, 2024 7:23 PM

[quote] I know it breaks tradition, but I hope she runs again - with a running mate that isn't a Tim Kaine clone.

Stop eating paint chips.

by Anonymousreply 32November 7, 2024 7:23 PM

Something about the bluntness of R8's post made me literally LOL.

by Anonymousreply 33November 7, 2024 9:41 PM

Well, the Dems basically pushed Biden out, so why did they wait so long if they felt like he couldn't win? And in the end, MAGA Americans wanted Trump over any "lefty" Dem, cuz he serves up bullshit to own the libs, which they live for...

by Anonymousreply 34November 7, 2024 9:58 PM

Blame Nancy

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by Anonymousreply 35November 7, 2024 10:10 PM

Well if we are going to play blame games, I blame that particular group who pushed Biden to the top of the ticket the first time around.. Remember, you are not getting our vote unless it's old man Biden. We had a lot of other candidates to choose from. They ignored the fact that he was the oldest guy on the ticket.

by Anonymousreply 36November 7, 2024 10:20 PM

I don't balme any democrat, I blame the six months non-stop lies and misinformation coming out of the GOP

by Anonymousreply 37November 7, 2024 10:39 PM

Just 6 months? - Obama

by Anonymousreply 38November 7, 2024 10:46 PM

[quote] They're blaming the wrong Biden. It's Jill who needs to be excoriated. "Oooh you answered every question...what a big boy you are!" I hope she rots in hell.

That was embarrassing for both of them, but that was obviously the dynamic of their marriage.

by Anonymousreply 39November 7, 2024 10:52 PM

IMO, the timing was good. Remember: Trump had just gotten shot at at a rally. There was momentum on his side (he's a bad ass, blah blah blah). Soon thereafter, Biden stepped down and Harris came in and took that thunder from Trump.

by Anonymousreply 40November 7, 2024 10:54 PM

He had no choice but to stay in. He knew his replacement would be the unpopular Kamala and she would lose.

by Anonymousreply 41November 7, 2024 10:54 PM

Misplaced anger. People don't want a black president. We live in a racist country

by Anonymousreply 42November 7, 2024 10:55 PM

Sure because the man at the debate was clearly going to manage a 5 month campaign and all that comes with it. Can you even imagine the poor guy walking out to speak at a rally. Looking unsteady ok his feet as he crosses the stage. Mumbling and then randomly shouting words. It is what it is now, but he should have stepped aside this time last year.

by Anonymousreply 43November 7, 2024 10:58 PM

Does anyone know what ails Biden? It is this horrible stiffness combined with blank frozen expressions. It must be horrible.

by Anonymousreply 44November 8, 2024 1:56 AM

Arrogance?

The real arrogance comes from the DNC, which presumed to tell the incumbent President to drop out and give up his position.

And then when he did - after being forced out - they blame HIM.

That's so fucking bizarre.

Take a look in the mirror, DNC clowns. You brought this upon yourselves.

by Anonymousreply 45November 8, 2024 2:43 AM

The Bidenists are so evil, so filled with hate. 👆

by Anonymousreply 46November 8, 2024 2:50 AM

Bingo, Reply 45!

by Anonymousreply 47November 8, 2024 2:54 AM

R45 gets it. He's the only one. Harris was a lousy choice. Biden's biggest mistake. She's not as intelligent as some of you idiots seem to think. If she had been in a normal primary would have been defeated soundly.

R46 She is a disaster. And I bet you voted for Biden the last time. Point that fucking moronic finger at yourself. You're the evil jackass.

Trump did the best he ever has. Against her. And the country was primed for a female candidate. Just not her. Now pull out your misogyny and race cards and make a house.

by Anonymousreply 48November 8, 2024 3:15 AM

Told you so. He should not have run.

by Anonymousreply 49November 8, 2024 3:23 AM

[quote] I disagree. I believe we’ll see a white, accomplished gay man as president before we see a woman.

Won't happen. All the gay power brokers live in the shadows. They use their money and influence to support reactionaries, Christian evangelists and crooked Bros.

by Anonymousreply 50November 8, 2024 3:33 AM

[quote] I know it breaks tradition, but I hope she runs again - with a running mate that isn't a Tim Kaine clone.

After 4 more years of Dump, whoever is left standing will be BEGGING for Kamala to save them.

by Anonymousreply 51November 8, 2024 3:36 AM

Oh, fuck off r48.

You Repugs said the same thing about Hillary.

Just admit it, you and your ilk would prefer to endure the low likes of Trump before you’d vote for a woman.

by Anonymousreply 52November 8, 2024 3:36 AM

Biden seems like a sweet old man but his days of being presidential are over. Remember how everyone covered for Reagan in his last few years in office? They couldn’t even do that for Joe.

I blame the GOP for most of this, but the Dems and their little celebrities and their indecision and inclusive posturing got us here. Bernie is right. The whole party became tone deaf to the real issues and now we have to suffer for it. So screw everyone. Except Bernie, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 53November 8, 2024 3:39 AM

[quote] The whole party became tone deaf to the real issues and now we have to suffer for it. So screw everyone.

The only real issue was to keep us from sliding in to a post-pandemic recession. Biden did that. The electorate is too dumb to make a rational decision. Maybe we should be a dictatorship...

by Anonymousreply 54November 8, 2024 3:54 AM

R52 Dickhead I voted for Harris. I would have voted for a garbage can over Trump.

by Anonymousreply 55November 8, 2024 3:57 AM

But I think there's one thing Biden failed to do, which was get out on the road (and we all know why.). He did have a story to tell, but he never told it. Either the White House or Delaware, sometimes overseas. He should have been out in the country.

by Anonymousreply 56November 8, 2024 3:58 AM

I had deep misgivings when, 2 years into his term, Biden announced he was going to run again.

I knew he was too old and we needed a fresh horse by the time the campaign began in earnest.

by Anonymousreply 57November 8, 2024 4:03 AM

I really don't blame Kamala Harris for this. She did what she could do. If I could though, in retrospect, I would have found a better way to pivot from Joe Biden did a great job in a tough time, to here's how I would do phase II and the things I would address more thoroughly. The whole prosecuting price gougers sounded, and probably was, half assed and not quite real.

Still, I think the American people were weirdly eager to go for the bullshit con artist criminal, and unfortunately voted accordingly. I don't think any change of strategy would have solved that.

by Anonymousreply 58November 8, 2024 4:06 AM

Tigerbeat on the Potomac, a right wing e-rag that hates Democrats.

Don't make me tap the sign but once.

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by Anonymousreply 59November 8, 2024 4:11 AM

It's not complicated. The reason we lost is MAGA priorities were not met.

Biden was too old.

Kamala was a woman.

The prices of groceries went up.

They don't want to be forced to use pronouns

They dont want to see Trans people in their orbit, on TV or in the Government.

by Anonymousreply 60November 8, 2024 4:23 AM

The Democratic base - college students - was SCREAMING that Gaza was wrong and Biden did nothing.

Biden did nothing because he needed money from wealthy pro-Israel backers like Haim Saban, Casey Wasserman and Jeffrey Katzenberg, who wanted Israel to wage war with no mercy. Biden was kept afloat for so long because of wealthy pro-Israel backers, even though other influential people in the party were beginning to question his mental fitness.

In return, Netanyahu subverted the ceasefire negotiation process so Trump could get re-elected.

What a fool Biden was.

by Anonymousreply 61November 8, 2024 4:31 AM

“Nancy” sent a text tonight asking for cash to help with the recounts.

You have a lot of nerve, bitch.

by Anonymousreply 62November 8, 2024 4:57 AM

They don't want trans people fucking with their children like mutilating them and filling them with drugs preventing the natural process of puberty and they don't want men in women's spaces. They want to know what's going on in their children's schools and you blame them for that?

They don't want sticker shock in the supermarkets and they don't want to be guilted into voting for a candidate.

So cut it out with the racist misogynist bullshit. Dems went extreme left and fucked up royally. It would have nice if some of you didn't sleep through school.

When Joe called MAGAS garbage he knew exactly what he was doing. When Obama tried to shame young black men he knew exactly what he was doing. I have no doubt tonight they are laughing and having a grand time.

by Anonymousreply 63November 8, 2024 5:40 AM
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