Trump is Biden’s Legacy

Had Trump stayed in office we’d be through with him after this year.

Never liked him. There's something off about someone who wants the presidency so much and runs for it lord knows how many times. "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity" and all that. A career politician.

The Bidens are a mirror image of the Trumps which is why he hates them so much. Successful grifters with delusions of grandeur.

We praised the timing of Joe’s announcement as a stroke of genius because he saved Kamala from getting dragged into an ugly nomination fight. She was then in a good position to win and blew it by failing to maintain her momentum and coasting with a precarious lead. That’s not Joe’s fault, it’s Kamala’s.

This is a cheap shot at Biden.

No r5. Biden is responsible for this. This is his fault.

Stop it. This is Putin's and Trump's fault. no one else.

Biden was a weak candidate who narrowly won through the good fortune of covid hitting when it did. His delusion that he was going to be a revered two-term president was what screwed the democrats. The fact that he hung on for so long, and when he was forced out didn't give Kamala the permission to cut him loose will be a big stain on his legacy.

That and his corruption.

Kamala didn’t need Joe’s permission to “cut him loose” and articulate how her presidency would be different. She was more than welcome to do it. She made that choice on her own.

R5 No more "progressive BoOgEyMaN", this is a mess that the ruling Moderate and Corporate loving Elite wing of the party created.

Biden has a solid record of achievements. Why are you all rewriting history. And being drama queens. Compared to the rest of the world, USA is going gangbusters and inflation was modest, in comparison. Sheesh!

Americans are so self important and childlike. We went to wars and massacred millions of innocents because fat lazy cosseted Americans insisted they have a right to cheap oil and gasoline, that the US companies couldn't even be fucked to pump out of US soil anymore. Iraq was about global oil politics and US floated privatisation of Iraqi oil during the war and occupation.

Fat American demand cheap meat and slaughter house workers were FORCED to work during covid.

Biden didn't make inflation happen it was corporate greed first and a bit of supply chain, in distant second.

I cringe when I see 'Kamala bops onstage with Jon Bon Jovi' or some shit. It doesn't play well in Peoria.

"It's all Biden's fault" seems to be the standard DNC talking point about the massive election failure. I heard it repeated many times by multiple people on MSNBC today.

Kamala had the momentum. Kamala had enough of a lead on Trump in the polls at one point to sweep the Blue Wall and get over 300 electoral votes. Then when the rightwing attacks sharpened, she didn’t do enough to repel them and let Trump come back. She failed to tell us how she would do anything differently from the Biden administration at a time when people wanted change. If a policy transformation hurt Joe’s feelings, so what? He’d get over it.

I could maybe see blaming Joe if Trump dominated Kamala the entire time and she never had a chance, but that wasn’t the case here. Kamala had ample opportunity to win this election and blew it.

Was shocked in 2020 that Biden was the best Dems could do

[quote] "It's all Biden's fault" seems to be the standard DNC talking point about the massive election failure. I heard it repeated many times by multiple people on MSNBC today.

Fueled by Pelosi and other Democrats elites, no doubt. They should have left him in the race. The Dems have needlessly expended capital (>$1 billion) and tarnished reputations to get us to this very low point in the nation's history. Some serious introspection is in order.

Keep trolling, r15...

[quote]Had Trump stayed in office we’d be through with him after this year.

Wishful thinking.

R18 you are the Bidenist who accused everyone who said he was going to blow the election of being a Russian.

You are as much to blame for this as anyone.

Look at R18's posts in the election thread. All they did was mock people who were correctly expressing worry.

It does not surprise me they are a Bidenist, given their failure to grasp the severity of the situation.

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Yes, r32, we've noted your "concern" numerous times.

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I'm feeling sick...

it's the potato salad...

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Leave *tonight*, r125.

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You aren't fooling anybody, r250.

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Try harder, r283.

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Oh noes, r396, you better go drink some drain cleaner.

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Two words, r546...Dewey Truman

R15, I disagree. Kamala was getting attacked from every angle. It wasn’t just the constant onslaught from trump and the gop, she was battling incessant misinformation and disinformation from Russia and China, and also from X’s massive platform. On top of that, there were attacks from right wing media AND the mainstream media who picked apart every single thing she did while never holding trump to the same scrutiny. There’s a reason why there was a running ‘joke’ that everytime trump fucked something up, it was usually followed by ‘and here’s why that’s bad for Harris’.

If she had spent all of her time denying these attacks, she would’ve never had a second to talk about anything else; she would’ve constantly been on the defensive, which isn’t a good look for a candidate. She wouldn’t have a chance to make a speech, connect with people, or talk about policy. Maybe she assumed most voters were smart enough to recognize that the constant smear campaign against her had no merit. Obviously, she was very wrong because we now know the majority of the voting populace is dumb as shit.

Not to go too hard on the post mortem Maybe Bernie's right. Kamala got a middle class message across to some people but were democrats speaking to the poor and working class? At all really?

I'm lifting a couple of these points from Bulwark a bit.. Trump's awful in so many ways but he gets ideas to stick by repeating them, he stuck to fear tactics and stuff a lot of voters do care about. Trump played both sides of the fence on Israel. I don't think he's a political mastermind but he lead people to the idea he's the more anti-war option. Sweet if you're pro Israel and pro Russia. Incumbents getting tossed around the world. Anti fascism wasn't really hitting with people worried about food prices.

Just me trying to make sense of what happened.

Merrick Garland is his legacy.

I wrote a whole other train of thought. I came in to say someone mentioned this morning Trump gets to inherit a pretty decent economy once again. His gift to Trump.

For four freaking years, it was allowing express-lane southern open border illegal alien entries; pouring billions into Ukraine and then weaponry for Israel, while our own American poor and veterans went homeless and panhandling; prioritizing abortion, trans and other woke-obsessed issues, and so on. So he either just smugly didn’t care about standing by and letting “Rome burn,” or maybe he really was completely out of it and closeted in a most inner White House room while handlers around him allowed all these policies to occur and continue. So Trump earned his win that this Democratic Administration basically handed to him.